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Saturday, January 10, 2015

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Something that I would like to discuss: President of Egypt Gave Speech Obama Should Have Delivered in Cairo. Video:


Transcript of the above:
Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live? Impossible!

I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulema—Allah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which I’m talking about now.

All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.

I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move… because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.

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  1. Political correctness and speech codes on campus are a direct result of Universities abandoning the Western Canon which recognized a person's right to both "offend" others AND love thy neighbor.

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    1. "Tradition cannot be inherited, and if you want it you must obtain it by great labour. It involves, in the first place, the historical sense, which we may call nearly indispensable to anyone who would continue to be a poet beyond his twenty-fifth year; and the historical sense involves a perception, not only of the pastness of the past, but of its presence; the historical sense compels a man to write not merely with his own generation in his bones, but with a feeling that the whole of the literature of Europe from Homer and within it the whole of the literature of his own country has a simultaneous existence and composes a simultaneous order. This historical sense, which is a sense of the timeless as well as of the temporal and of the timeless and of the temporal together, is what makes a writer traditional. And it is at the same time what makes a writer most acutely conscious of his place in time, of his contemporaneity."

      - T.S. Eliot

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    2. _________ A Task Completed _________

      A swelling joy makes breathless with delight
      The one who oversees and masterminds
      Altruistic projects of all kinds.
      Satisfying is Artistic Sight.
      Knowing how things ought to look’s a Gift
      Combined with Wisdom, practical yet kind,
      Overcomes the fears that blind then bind
      Most people to a crippling sense of Thrift.
      Placing Beauty as a high priority
      Let’s prospects for Enlightenment prevail.
      Eking out one’s life is doomed to fail.
      To reach no more than drab Inferiority
      Erodes capacities to fulfill dreams ––
      Denying what Volition’s meaning seems.


      ~ FreeThinke

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    1. Dudley Dunwell said:

      A French minister said there was no such thing as moderate Islam, calling recent election successes by Islamic parties in Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia “worrying” in an interview published Saturday.

      Frumda yotticle:

      'Jeannette Bougrab, a junior minister with responsibility for youth, told Le Parisien newspaper that legislation based on Islamic sharia law “inevitably” imposed restrictions on rights and freedoms.'''

      'Bougrab is of Algerian origin, whose father fought on the French colonial side during Algeria’s war of independence, and said she was speaking as “a French woman of Arab origin.”'

      '“It’s very worrying,” she was quoted as saying. “I don’t know of any moderate Islam.”'

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  3. My good friend Jason Pappashad this to say about al-Sisi's speech and accidentally posted the comment to the thread below.

    Here is Jason's comment:

    Sisi is doing more than just giving a speech about reforming Islam. He’s established a totalitarian state. Previous dictators jailed activist Brotherhood members but left educational and religious institutions in the hands of their sympathizers. The Brotherhood support in recent elections must have shocked secular Muslims. From the little I have read, Sisi has taken over religious institutions. Friday sermons are not written by a central authority and the same exact sermon is given in every mosque.

    Recently a document was signed by 126 Islamic authorities rejecting, in depth, the theology of the Islamic State. Only 1 signer was from Saudi Arabia and 2 were from Pakistan. I found that all 3 are Sufi. About 1/3 of the signers were from Egypt. One American Muslim complained that the document was basically Sufi (see ISIL’s wiki article for reference) and cronies of the Egyptian government. I suspect Sisi is doing more than giving a speech. Will it play outside of Egypt?

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    1. Could someone please explain this statement? It doesn't make sense as written:

      "Sisi has taken over religious institutions. Friday sermons are not written by a central authority and the same exact sermon is given in every mosque."

      If sermons are NOT written by "a central authority," how would it it be possible for "the exact same sermon" to be given everywhere every Friday?

      Surely Mr. Pappas should have left out the "not," or don't you agree?

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    2. It makes sense with a "now written" for "not written", above.

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    3. Typonius Excrementum Imperator said

      Ah YES! But of COURSE!

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    4. Yes, that should have been "now". Thanks for figuring out my typo.

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  4. Mathilde von Leberwurst am Krautbergen sagt:

    Ach ja! Sie haben recht, Sie haben die ganze Wahrheit gesprochen. Danke schoen, Herr Freidenker. Sie sind sehr Klug -- sehr Gescheitt.

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  5. http://news.yahoo.com/more-200-000-rally-france-islamist-attacks-145317017.html

    700,000 People Rally in France After Jihadist Attacks: Minister

    Paris (AFP) - Around 700,000 people have poured out onto the streets of France on Saturday to pay tribute to the 17 people killed during three days of terror, the interior minister said.
    "700,000 people have marched" in cities around France, Bernard Cazeneuve told reporters on the eve of a rally in Paris he said would likely attract "several hundred thousand" people, as well as a string of world leaders.

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    3. Report: Second gun attack near Paris leaves policewoman dead The Week (RSS)
    4. France finds no links among 3 attacks in 3 days Associated Press
    5. Police officer dies in shooting at Paris' edge, amid tension Associated Press

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  6. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903600/Every-single-French-Jew-know-left-Paris-Editor-Britain-s-Jewish-Chronicle-claims-people-fleeing-terror-hit-French-capital.html

    'Every single French Jew I know has left Paris': Editor of Britain's Jewish Chronicle claims people are fleeing terror-hit French capital 


    Stephen Pollard says terror attack on Kosher store in Paris is no 'fluke'

    'Every single French Jew I know has either left or is actively working out how to leave', he said

    Experts believe that more than 100,000 French Jews have left since 2013  

    France's Chief Rabbi has said after a number of attacks on Jews in the past year: 'Jews murdered were targeted specifically because they were Jewish'

    Policing stepped up across British Jewish areas, community body says 

    Mayor's office has announced closure of shops in famous Jewish area



    By MARTIN ROBINSON FOR MAILONLINE and JAMES WHITE FOR MAILONLINE

    PUBLISHED: 11:22 EST, 9 January 2015



    Warning: Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, says that Jews are fleeing France and this will increase because of today's terror attack 

    Jews are fleeing terror-hit Paris because of growing anti-Semitism in France, one of Britain's most influential Jewish journalists said today.

    Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, spoke out after an Islamic terrorist took six people hostage and held them captive in a Kosher supermarket in the French capital.

    This afternoon police ordered all shops in a famous Jewish neighborhood in central Paris to close.

    The mayor's office in Paris announced the closure of shops along the Rosiers street in Paris' Marais neighborhood, in the heart of the tourist district and less than a mile away from the offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo where 12 people were killed on Wednesday.

    Hours before the Jewish Sabbath, the street is usually crowded with French Jews and tourists alike. ...

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  7. There is a sickness in the umma, and the west cannot cure it. Muslims must clean up their own house.

    Perhaps Sisi will become the 21st century Attaturk?

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    1. As an Armenian, 1.5 of whose people were killed largely because of Ataturk's policies, it's hard for me to agree.

      But I certainly hope Muslims can somehow learn to clean their own house. Because there is simply nothing anybody else can do. Not until they do. That's becoming clearer and clearer.

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    2. Z: I meant how Attaturk secularized Turkish society and brought them into the 20th century.

      I have no love for those who commit genocide, and Turkey did indeed engage in genocide against the Armenians.

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    3. SF....I know you know that...I only meant to point out that all Attaturk did wasn't good. But you are so right, he secularized Turkish society; sadly, they're going back now with Erdogan.
      And, of course I know you have no love for those who'd commit genocide! :-)
      Honestly, SF, ONE pretty important hitch for the EU in accepting Turkey's bid for EU status is the genocide. I admire the EU and pray to God they won't cave in ...or that Turks won't lie that they admit the gen. just to GET in...because Europe will be swarmed and overcome.

      But, I guess I sound like a bad Christian for hoping the lovely Europe can go back to what was so lovely about Europe before Islam's huge numbers. Odd that the Muslims don't like where they come from but bring their awfulness to the West. And, YES, lest some liberal starts calling me names, I am one of the few Conservatives who knows ALL MUSLIMS do NOT want us dead or have ALL MUSLIMS dirtied Europe in every possible way ...which others have.

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    4. Sisi is our selected military dictator.

      He ain't bringing nothing.

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    5. As I understand it Obama opposed Sisi's removal of the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood government. I remember Obama temporarily suspending aid at the time. How did he become ours?

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  8. So, you really believe Islam is to blame for all this? Do you not see any implications for Christianity with your view? Do you really believe your religion is much better?

    JMJ

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  9. Yes, you're right. You have spoken the total truth. Thank you, Mr. Free Thinker, you're clever, sensible and smart.

    (in case anybody didn't know the German, it's fun for me to use it once in a while....Danke Schoen, Frau Mathilde!)

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  10. It's a shame Obama can't put aside his personal differences and embrace the message coming from al-Sisi. I expect Obama is still stinging from the ouster of the Muslim Brotherhood which he supported over the wishes of millions of Egyptians who demanded their ouster. Al-Sisi isn't perfect but he's far better than the Brotherhood and even graduated from the US War College. He's a man we could and should do business with.

    Instead, his speech has gotten very little coverage and no recognition from the Obama Administration.

    For years we've been asking when will the Muslims stand up and take responsibility for this mess. Well, a very large voice in the Muslim world did just that and we're ignoring it.

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    2. Exactly Mike.

      It should be easy enough for even you to see that as we've played footsie with the Saudis and done their bidding blocking Iran for no particularly good reason than the hose of Saud demands it we have played a major role screwing up the Middle East and folks like yourself who just can't handle personal responsibility think Muslims should bear all the blame and responsibility or the results.

      Stop being silly.

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  11. Oy vey! Jersey, is there any end to your buffoonery?

    By their fruits you shall know them.

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  12. AT least MY religion isn't a political/legal system filled with hereditary lawyer-priests and a "guardianship of the jurists".

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  13. This is kind of a rhetorical question but, why is it that the lowest per capita GDP countries in Europe are the ones with the highest Muslim populations?

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    1. Because Allah is hostile to wealth?

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    2. Dicky, you might want to check your facts before commenting:

      http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/07/MDII-graphics-webready-83.png

      http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe/

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    4. Using a pejorative like "Saint Ronnie Raygun" and you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

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    5. Count Ivan Turdsoff Dablogowicz said

      The do take him seriously. He's the biggest pain in the ass in the blogging community. If thoughts aline could kill ...

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  14. Pollie Esther Charpentier said

    I promise to change my stinking yellow blouse and a get a new avatar if only Free Stinke will stop being so unfair to Moslems. Most of them are wonderful people -- especially the one I married. He only has to shave his beard twice a day, and has actually broken with the custom of his people to please me, so he now wipes his perineum and anal orifice at least once a week. It was big sacrifice for him to make, and I love him for it. We have five wonderful girls each of whom has voluntarily undergone a clitorectomy by the time they were four to avoid being hacked or kicked to death by their dear father. WONDERUL girls! I am so proud of them.

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  15. "You mean Sweden and Germany?"

    No, compare and contrast the Balkan Countries where the Muslim population is INDIGENOUS. The format of Blogger disallows augmentation of comments by the use of'stick men'!

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  16. @Pollie...

    and the good news is that all five of your daughters will be eligible to wed their first cousins! Incest is best!

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  17. "Dicky, you might want to check your facts before commenting:"

    That isn't necessary, he just makes them up as he goes!

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    2. Since "This One" has been found to operate without ANY facts and can do no more than the usual left wing namecalling I don't think we need to take his comment seriously. You'll notice he/she/it rarely if ever provides examples to back up it's statements.

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    3. Mike,
      This One's comments are deleted as soon as a blog administrator becomes aware of This One's comments. He/she/it has worn out his/her/its welcome here.

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  18. Islam is a gestalt which defies any simple definition based on the vast amount of jurisprudence which works its way through every ayat and every single Ahadith, Seerah, etc.

    At the core, are doctrines of expansionism and non-assimilation. You would have to drill deeply into text to grasp the expanionist vision and perhaps have a basic understanding of the mysteries of Surah "The Cave" to understand the concept of non-assimilation. The expansion of Islam does not cease until all are Muslims and Allah owns the whole pie. Islam teaches that all were born Muslim. Abraham was a Muslim. Jesus/Isa is a Muslim. You get it. So accepting Islam is not conversion, rather reversion to an original state.

    Personally, I like my American slice of pie and wish to keep it. Islam does not appear to be a healthy governance model due to its internal levers which market human slavery. The upheaval we are witnessing across the world is the clash between two separate galaxies of thought.

    Tammy Swofford

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  19. Oh there you go dumping on Obama again. Look, all the guy ever did was ... ah, ah, ah, ... NOTHING.

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  20. George Zimmerman is a victim of the liberal media, is just an average man who did the right thing for himself and his community. And Trayvon Martin is still dead. Killed legally by a concerned citizen and neighborhood hero! In fact I’d bet that there's probably at least another kid who is alive today because of it.

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  21. Oh yeah, BLACK LIVES MATTER!…black thugs are not content to go gently into that good night of welfare checks, food stamps and killing each other as before. Now they have to run around looting, stealing and burning down buildings.

    The Ferguson protests were never about white cops killing black criminals. Or white people killing blacks. Or black lives mattering. We know black lives certainly don’t matter to other blacks who slaughter each other by the tens of thousands each year. This whole thing was about getting in the face of crackas for the protesters. Since those uppity cracka restaurants in Manhattan don’t take food stamps, we’ll just show them racist, white-privileged honkies that black thugs in America do have power. Well, ruin their Brunch’s. The power to make complete assholes of themselves. As if all the violence, crime, and douche baggery committed on a daily basis in America wasn’t enough.
    If a mob invaded a place where I was having “brunch” with my wife with some “protest” crap. I’d show them what George Zimmerman showed that little punk in Florida.

    To tell you the truth, I’m surprised the ghetto rats were up that early to disrupt Brunch.

    There seems to be a growing mentality amongst these animals that they can get away with just about anything and no rules or laws apply to them. There were over 360 heinous black on white murders in this country last year. That’s just about one a day.

    These leftist blacks have no right interrupting anybody’s dinner or brunch or breakfast of any white person that has earned their meal. These blacks do not work. They have too much time on their hands. They have food stamps, free housing, free medical, and one government hand-out after another and this enables them to have the time to go and interrupt people’s meals.

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  22. 1.5 million people marching in France. Many MAJOR WORLD LEADERS from all over the world showed up and symbolically marching for human rights and free speech. Yet the U.S. president and the leader of the free world didn't find it necessary to either attend or at least send his Vice President or Secretary of State, or at least the Moocher to send a message of solitary with the free world and democracy on such a historical event?!
    Obama sent Holder, who didn't even participate in the march.
    Shame on the US. Shame shame shame.

    Shame on the left and the leftist media for not holding Obama accountable for this huge mistake.

    US was absent today.

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  23. Right Minds....Yes, Eric HOlder was in Paris but did not participate. I suppose security could have been the reason but who'd need more security in that situation than Netanyahu, right? On the other hand, who has Netahnyahu's guts?
    I'm blogging about Obama's absence tomorrow....asking my readers their opinions. We were absent on quite an important day.
    It almost reads as if we were dissing the cause after having seen those heads of state of important countries, doesn't it.

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    1. Z,
      Yesterday, I watched some of CNN's coverage of the march in Paris. At one point, Jake Tapper commented on the lack of American leadership present at the gathering.

      Obama supporters are going to have a hard time excusing "the optics."

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  24. Minimally, the U.S. Ambassador to France could have functioned as a proper and designated authority. An embassy functions as sovereign territory within a host nation. Instead, we are once again greeted with the trite script of a POTUS who offers words which show no real empathy for the national trauma inflicted on the psyche of the French over a 48 hour period. His words were sterile. I remember, and remain immensely comforted, by the gracious expressions of grief for our own nation after 9/11. Many nations reached out with heartfelt expressions and offers of assistance.

    Where was the U.S. Ambassador to France? So much for diplomatic engagement.

    Tammy

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    1. Tammy,
      Obama is too busy with his present agenda ("campaigning" for the upcoming State of the Union message) to be bothered with paying attention to what happened in France last week and yesterday. In my view, he sees the massacre and the march in Paris as events that take the attention away from "The One."

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    2. The White House has just announced that Obama made a mistake by not attending the march in Paris.

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  25. We Live In A COUNTRY That Was Founded by Geniuses but Run by Progressive Idiots!
    Rather than having a “Beer Submit” hundreds of miles away from the Boarder to discuss the illegal immigration crisis with Gov. Rick Perry. during his two-day fundraising trip to Texas, to discus the Tens of thousands of unaccompanied children, why don’t Obama just send those kids back to where they came from.

    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but
    not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might
    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or
    to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might
    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a
    check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but
    not to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from
    owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives
    twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you
    might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but
    not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might
    make you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by
    geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a
    wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a
    woman in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and
    head searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by
    geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions
    of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a
    nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

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  26. If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his
    teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration for diversity class
    in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.


    The National Basketball Association banned Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling from the game for the rest of his life,and fined him millions of dollars, For what you ask? For making a racist comment on his OWN phone in his own home that the rest of the players and fans and the League President didn’t like.. Where was His FREE SPEECH then? It's a damn outraging! The government is falling apart due to ignoring of the constitution!

    If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more
    government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded
    with Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized
    housing, and free cell phones — you might live in a nation that was
    founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to
    provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of
    unemployment checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful
    employment was diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might
    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest
    big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a
    wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the
    government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage —
    you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by
    idiots.

    If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself
    makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might
    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government 'cracks down' on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for 'the safety of its citizens' and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.


    The President of the United States of America, ignores the massive unity rally in Paris, by not attending, or sending another top administration official. The Obama administrations no-show were not a only a failure diplomatic misstep, but showed the world that he would rather watch a Football game and ignore the terrorism and show unity in Europe and in France. Publicly humiliating the United States.
    What a country!
    This was borrowed from another blog I don't know who wrote it. But it was goo good that I had to share it with you.



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