Also see A Hospital Sent the US's First Ebola Patient Home for Two Days After He Was Sick. Excerpt from the latter:
"We're trying to identify all the people who may have had contact with people while he could have been infectious," Frieden said. "Once identified, they'll be monitored for 21 days after for Ebola. If they have the fever, the same criteria are used."How many are quarantined so far in Dallas and elsewhere in the United States?
Why are we allowing into the United States any flights from the Ebola Zone of Africa?
Additional reading:
1. Ebola Virus Symptoms and Prevention Tips
2. EBOLA in America (Mustang's site)
UPDATES
1. Patient in isolation in Hawaii (few details at the time of this posting)
2. ‘Hero’ Ebola Doctor Testimony Confirms Ebola Can Spread By Touch
3. VIDEO: NIH Director Admits Possible Ebola Could Mutate, Go Airborne [possible, but unlikely]
4. White House: No Ebola travel restrictions
5. Extensive report by ABC News, October 2, 2014
6. Ebola Expert Tells CNN We Can’t Ban Flights From Liberia Because Of Slavery
AOW,
ReplyDeleteIn our Dallas media market the story was covered in endless manner. The ambulance crew who brought the man to Presbyterian hospital (I imagine for his second visit) are under quarantine for 21 days. The statements are that this man is very ill. Based on timeline, it seems he was symptomatic for about five days whilst he still had some level of contact with family members and perhaps also, the public.
I agree with you on this issue. Why was a non-emergent visit from Liberia to the U.S. allowed by our government? While in agreement that the CDC can "control" this - the amount of finances and resources allocated for one client will be substantial. I cannot imagine the cost if Dallas ends up with several Ebola victims.
*Rumor in the local media is that some women who are due to deliver their babies at Presbyterian are changing hospitals. What will be interesting to see too is if there will be a demographic shift of clients to other area hospitals during the time this man is housed in a containment environment. And now.... we are coming into our flu season. So we will be hosting compromised immune systems anyway.
Tammy
Tammy,
DeleteThank you for pointing out the cost if Dallas ends up with several Ebola victims.
This may be crass, but here goes: the Liberian national isn't covered by ObamaCare. We already know who's picking up the tab. As sick as this man is, I have to wonder how long he will survive. He appears to be in the late stages of Ebola.
You also mentioned flu season. Early symptoms of Ebola are nearly identical to flu symptoms, right?
A virus doesn't "know from" political correctness.
ReplyDeleteJust sayin'.
Flu symptoms will most likely mimic Ebola on smaller scale of symptoms: fever, general malaise, headache (but not a roarin' headache), gastrointestinal distress, etc.
ReplyDeleteA virus only recognizes a viable host for transmission.
Tammy
Addendum from Tammy:
ReplyDeleteHow many flu victims will show up at ED with demands for Ebola testing now? sigh
ER's will be chock full of Americans with fevers and diarrhea all hoping for an ebola test $$$
ReplyDeleteSad and, hopefully, not prophetic, that one of the LIberian head specialists in Ebola's assistant has it and the head specialist is in quarantine "Just in case"...I'd have thought that at least these trained people could avoid contamination.
This is working out swell. Anyone who thinks they may become sick, come to America before the fever so one will be sure and get treatment on our dime.
ReplyDeleteNow we know why those FEMA camps were built and all those coffins were bought.
ReplyDeleteAll great comments, so far, and I've nothing to add beyond what I said @ Mustang's site which, in accordance with policy, I will not ' copy and paste' here,
ReplyDeleteJon,
DeleteLet me be clear about the policy at this blog.
Copied-and-pasted comments which are not "boiler plate" are welcome here.
I see that many of the copy-and-paste spammers are not plaguing this blog -- for the moment. I think that I know why, but I'm keeping my own counsel for now.
An informative read
ReplyDeleteI'd be more comcerned about this
ReplyDeleteDuck,
DeleteOne death now from enterovirus complications -- in Rhode Island. See this.
This strain of enterovirus is not uncommon in Central America. Look it up for yourselves via Google search.
DeleteHow many "unaccompanied minors" from Central America have been dispersed all over the United States the past several months?
Duck,
DeleteI'd be more comcerned about this.
Except for one thing. Ebola affects all ages, this particular strain of enterovirus does not.
Interesting Slate article, but the author himself says he's dealing with cousins of the virus, so yes, this is the first known instance of Ebola being carried by a human vector.
ReplyDeleteThe respiratory illness is government caused, since not only do we not control our border, our government disperses sick people about the nation.
Oh well, it's football season, and the MLB playoffs are heating up as we discuss weighty issues like whether the FCC should declare Redskin a dirty word.
@ Z: Why are we allowing into the United States any flights from the Ebola Zone of Africa?
ReplyDeleteBecause we have the stupidest government on the planet.
Let's take a rational look at Ebola.
DeleteDespite being present in countries where the sanitary and medical conditions couldn't be much worse it has not infected that large a number.
The problem in West Africa is that there isn't adequate prevention and we know that you don't support our getting involved in that issue.
On the other hand we have a virus with polio like symptoms that a top hospital like Boston Children's can't identify.
I say we focus on that and not panic about the ultra remote occurrence of an Ebola event in the U.S.
Ducky: I'm certainly not panicking, but rather questioning my government's actions, you know exercising the "highest form of patriotism."
DeleteWe should have travel embargoes in place, quarantines and isolations, and our government spreading around those sick kids all over the US is criminal, but not to worry, Obama's gargoyles in the state run media will help keep it all mum, overusing the "mysterious illness" meme until we're all sick of it.
SF,
DeleteBecause we have the stupidest government on the planet.
Yes.
Why didn't the U.S. government stop all incoming flights from West Africa weeks ago?
AOW:
DeleteSure make one reconsider the conspiracy theories, doesn't it?
SF,
DeleteA few decades ago -- probably in the late 1980s, I told Mr. AOW after an particularly stupid incident which I've long since forgotten -- "Just wait until this kind of incompetence hits the airline industry and the medical profession." I remember those words exactly, and so does Mr. AOW.
Idiocracy has clearly arrived! Or, perhaps, the conspiracy you mentioned.
AOW,
DeleteI haven't succumbed to the conspiracy theories yet, but this apocryphal Mark Twain quote keeps echoing in my head:
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."
Why are we allowing in travelers from the Ebola zone of Africa? Great question. Travel to and from those countries needs to be halted until the disease is under control.
ReplyDeleteStogie,
DeleteI agree!
I think the situation Ducky describes of paralysis (and if it is a kind of polio, why wouldn't it come back with all the immigrants coming in unvaccinated, after all?) is much MUCH more concerning than EBOLA today. MUCH. Also, they still can't tell why kids are getting respiratory infections and there could be a link to the paralysis situation. THAT is something we should all be on; it's barely covered right now in the media, interestingly enough. Quick mention...and "move on..."
ReplyDeleteWhooping cough was finally conquered but babies are starting to get it again in big numbers at least in California, probably the other border states, too. As is TB.
It doesn't serve the leftwing media to talk about that, either, does it.
I'm not worried about you or me catching Ebola. Although I think that we have not shown the precautions expected for something SO usually fatal.... I still say that stopping planes for one month would have helped. Too late now.
I was also for bring a hospital plain with all it needed to help those 2 American doctors who came here and recovered.
Ebola is clearly easier treated here with what we've got than there with what they've not got. Why DON'T the Africans have what they need?
Z: These "mysterious illnesses" children are suffering from were most likely brought in by the illegal aliens Obama has now distributed all over the US.
DeleteZ,
DeleteI'm not worried about you or me catching Ebola.
I'm not that confident. A lot depends on how this strain is spread -- and on what the incubation period is.
Right now, Dallas is the hub. But see US Visas Held By 13,500 People In Three Ebola Countries. Yikes1
Now there are five children who'd been contaminated in TX by this sick person and they went to mostly different schools since he's been there in their home. Thank God Gov Perry has them all home, under law, I assume.
ReplyDeleteThe Texas hospital screwed up
ReplyDeleteThey were informed that the patient was recently in Liberia and did not fully communicate the fact.
Of course, the Obama administration is blameless...
DeleteDeflection.
You're a propaganda vector at this point, Ducky.
So, Obama is responsible for a Texass hospital not knowing enough to deal with a traveler to Liberia who has Ebola symptoms?
DeleteObama has NO responsibilities for ensuring public health?
DeleteWho knew?
Defund the DHHS and USPHS Now!
CDC and NIH. No more federal funds!
DeleteYou regulate it, you BOUGHT it, duck.
DeleteThe CDC regulates admission procedures at Dallas hospitals?
DeleteWho knew.
Now go back into hysterics.
That said, the polio symptoms are showing up in Colorado and I'm surprised Silverfiddle isn't a lot more concerned about that than acting like an old woman being frightened into a tizzie by Faux News over Ebola.
Duck,
DeleteMost hospital adhere to CDC guidelines.
However, Obama himself said it was highly unlikely that Ebola would come to the United States. Yet, here it is!
Proof of my assertion about what Obama said:
DeleteObama, Two Weeks Ago: 'Chances of an Ebola Outbreak Here ... Extremely Low'
Note that Obama said (direct quotation): "We’re working with hospitals to make sure that they are prepared, and to ensure that our doctors, our nurses and our medical staff are trained, are ready, and are able to deal with a possible case safely."
So, did he merely spout off, or was the administration really "working with hospitals"?
Frankly, Obama's credibility is shot to hell -- and has been so for quite some time now.
Most hospital adhere to CDC guidelines.
Delete-----
My guess is that this one didn't.
Duck,
DeleteYou don't know that this one didn't, and neither do I.
But I can tell you this: some intake nurses at hospitals don't speak English very well. Did those first intake personnel understand what the Ebola patient was telling them? I'd like to know about that.
Canardo:
DeleteI am concerned about BOTH.
and BOTH are the fault of Obumbler's government.
The Feral government has the authority to control our borders and put embargoes in place for people arriving from places like the Ebola hot zone.
The Feral government has the f***ing responsibility to screen people coming into this country. THEY FAILED.
But go ahead, keep bowing down at the Obama altar, fool.
Isn't there a Red Sox game on you should be watching?
Ducky the Canardo worships at the altar of the Progressive State, which shall not be questioned (unless the enemy GOP has temporary control of it).
DeleteAOW: I apologize to you for the ad hom against the leftwing loon Ducky, but for such a sour hater and old hippie to attack someone for questioning government is beyond the pale.
Equating concern and a search for information with hysteria is right out of the old Soviet communist playbook. Uncle Joe would be quite pleased with the old Leftwing Duck.
A list of the Presiden't responsibilities for safeguarding the health and safety of US citizens under the Constitution and US law.
DeleteDuck,
DeleteYou don't know that this one didn't, and neither do I.
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I'm going to say that releasing someone with Ebola symptoms who just visited Liberia violates protocol.
Ducktard:
DeleteAnd allowing someone into our nation who just visited an Ebola zone such as Liberia violates common sense, but we've come to expect that from our fat, stupid, crapulent government...
SF,
DeleteExactly.
Enforcing profiling protocols in the case of disease... good, in the case of ideology, bad, eh, ducky?
Delete...if he's got a fever, get him OFF the plane.... if he's screaming "Death to infidels", let him ON!
DeleteDuck,
DeleteMore than a screw up!
From MSN News: A nurse asked about the travel as part of a triage checklist and was told about it. “Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said.
Infectious disease experts said that time gap represented a critical missed opportunity that may have led others to be exposed to the virus.
I fully support a travel quarantine not just from Liberia, but any of the west African nations that have multiple, confirmed cases of Ebola.
ReplyDeleteThat said, of course everything [including the Dallas patient] is Obama's fault. That's political correctness in action. The roles will ironically reverse in coming elections.
CI,
DeleteStill no travel quarantine in place. **sigh**
Moslems aren't allowed into Saudi Arabia for the Hadj if they're from infected countries.
DeleteIslam is not as stupid as the Infidel.
...as for non-Moslems, THEY were NEVER allowed to participate in the Hadj.
DeleteThe Hajj 2014 = October 2-7.
DeleteWhat is it like in an Ebola hot zone?
ReplyDeleteReporting on Ebola: First rule is you don’t touch anyone
...You don’t touch anyone in Liberia. Not kids, not adults, not other Westerners, not the colleagues you arrived with. It is the rule of rules, because while everyone able is taking precautions, you just can’t be sure where the invisible, lethal Ebola virus might be. Once the virus is on your fingers, it would be frighteningly easy to rub an eye and infect yourself.
In 12 days of reporting the Ebola story in Liberia, I touched two people (not counting the occasional “Liberian handshake,” a soft bump of covered elbows). Once, I completely forgot the protocol and shook the outstretched hand of a newly arrived aid worker. Later in the trip, I asked a Washington Post photographer to lightly touch my forehead to see if I had a fever, one of the early signs of Ebola infection. I was concerned my thermometer wasn’t working.
That’s it. No hugs, no pats on the back, no high-fives. An arm around the shoulders? Unthinkable.
[...]
Here in the United States, the response to my decision wasn’t quite as calmly expressed. My father, a retired medical school professor with decades of experience in infectious disease, called me “a big [unprintable].” My best friend suggested I was having a midlife crisis and couldn’t add to previous coverage by endangering myself. A friend from college called to say he might no longer be comfortable sitting next to me at an Oct. 11 football game. He had done the math and it would be fewer than 21 days after I was scheduled to return, so I might still be incubating the virus.
The rules become crystal clear the moment you arrive at Liberia’s decrepit airport. Workers wearing rubber gloves took our temperature with infrared (no touch) thermometers before we entered the first building. Our hotel, like anywhere else in Liberia that can afford it, had a small keg with a spigot outside the entrance, the kind that dispense Gatorade on the sidelines of football games. It is filled with a solution of chlorine and water, which kills the virus. Everyone is expected to wash his hands each time he enters the hotel or its adjacent restaurant. Workers constantly swab the floors with bleach.
Each entrance also has a small trough where you rinse your shoes in the same liquid. We also carried it in spray bottles in our car and used it liberally on our hands and shoes....
Think now about Dallas, Texas. Could it become an Ebola hot zone? Yes. Likely? No. But who wants to deal in probabilities with Ebola?
HOLD
ReplyDeleteTHE.
PHONE!
In his arms, this Ebola patient carried an infected child in Liberia to his house or someone else's house. The child died. The landlord of that house got infected.
This Ebola patient flew to Brussels, to Dulles (Northern Virginia), to Dallas. Three huge airports! Hubs!
How do we know that he wasn't in the early stages of Ebola when he left Liberia? His own word for that? Puhleeze!
See this report at 5 NBCDFW.com.
DeleteThe New York Times reported that Duncan may have become infected in Liberia on Sept. 15, when he helped carry his landlord's gravely ill daughter to the hospital. She died the next day.
DeleteIn the days since Duncan left Liberia, his landlord's son, who had helped them carry his sister to the hospital, also died after a short, severe illness, the Times reported. Two other people in Liberia who may have had contact with the woman have also reportedly died.
DeleteEnterovirus? Respiratory virus seen in 4 deaths; role unclear
ReplyDeleteWhy did the first hospital misdiagose two weeks before the man had to be transported to the hospital via ambulance?
ReplyDelete... The patient went to the emergency room two days prior, on Friday, but was diagnosed with a low-grade viral fever and sent home with antibiotics, leaving many wondering why he was not questioned about his travel history.
As it turns out, he was.
A nurse asked the patient during his ER visit whether he had recently been in one of the West African countries where the Ebola outbreak is rampant, and he said he was visiting from Liberia, said Mark Lester, executive vice president of Texas Health Resources, at a news conference in Dallas on Wednesday. But that information "was not fully communicated throughout the whole team."...
I haven't found more information. If anyone else here does, please post that information.
HI AOW, flight came from Brussels - Belgium : As far as i know he probably crossed 2 terminals and was hand patted down. :)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mfs-theothernews.com/2014/10/ebola-in-us-what-route-flight-did-case.html
Will,
DeleteThank you.
I also found this on my local site: Man with Ebola virus flew roundabout trip to US. Dulles Airport is here in Northern Virginia.
What is this?
ReplyDeleteAs you can see, the CDC edited out the following text on Sept 19:
Because we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola, few primary prevention measures have been established and no vaccine exists.
When cases of the disease do appear, risk of transmission is increased within healthcare settings. Therefore, healthcare workers must be able to recognize a case of Ebola and be ready to use practical viral hemorrhagic fever isolation precautions or barrier nursing techniques. They should also have the capability to request diagnostic tests or prepare samples for shipping and testing elsewhere.
Why did the CDC edit all of that information out? Did the science change...?
How dumb can it get?
ReplyDeleteThere are currently no plans to alter the travel warning in the wake of Duncan’s diagnosis, according to a State Department official.
As one doctor pointed out on his blog, i haven't seen in this day and age a single thermometer being used at the airports. Keep patting them down :)
ReplyDeleteThe details of this are appalling. The man told the hospital screener he came from Liberia. It was on the checklist for the initial person doing the interview. The box was checked. The person examining the man apparently didn't read the check-in sheet. Generally speaking, I wouldn't trust this country to be able to open a bag of pretzels.
ReplyDeleteAnd the libtards will no doubt cheer our Diversity, open borders and incompetence. They love that stuff.
PS, Trey Gowdy interviewing the former stunningly incompetent head of secret service is Adorable (That's one of the latest words the libtard punks are using to maintain their fantasy that "all is well". I guess we should be thankful even they are getting tired of "awesome" and "epic" to some degree)
DeleteHe's an amateur. Steve Lynch, former iron worker from South Boston absolutely cut her a new one.
DeleteIron worker from South Boston?
DeleteIs that slang for gay prostitute? I didn't know Assachoositts has steel mills.
By posting this link I in NO WAY disagree with taking reasonable precautions. And I agree the government has a DUTY to screen incoming people as they used to do. But it's worth reading Michael Fumento's take on this: http://nypost.com/2014/08/05/why-ebolas-nothing-to-worry-about/
ReplyDeleteHe's the one who blew the lid off the heterosexual aids hysteria, and adds some balance to the current one.
Baysider's right...while I will always believe we should not have brought the 2 docs here (I thought they should be treated on American, fully equipped hospital plane THERE), I do not believe this will be an epidemic here.
ReplyDeleteI believe in reasonable and even some unreasonable precautions, just in case, but ... I tend to believe Fumento.
By the way, I'm much more concerned about this new virus that's hitting children, the paralysis that may accompany it, and the fact that the first child has died from it. They simply can't figure this one out. THAT is something to be concerned about.
ReplyDeleteZ,
DeleteThey simply can't figure this one out.
is that the truth -- or is it that they won't say what the origin is.
Baysider and Z,
DeleteI'm looking at the article now. The article is dated August 5.
Also, we do know more about Ebola right now than we knew about heterosexual AIDS
DeleteI think you are absolutely correct, z.
DeleteWe know how to contain Ebola but Children's Hospital in Boston, a top facility, does not know just what is causing these paralytic symptoms.
Containing Ebola isn't a simple matter -- particularly with regard to, but not limited to -- the disposal of Ebola waste.
DeleteAs for the paralytic symptoms, we do know that the myelin sheath is involved. But what triggered that malfunction? Clearly, a virus similar to poliomyelitis.
Mystery polio-like illness in California in 2012:
ReplyDeleteA mysterious polio-like syndrome has affected as many as 25 California children, leaving them with paralyzed limbs and little hope of recovery....
Enterovirus 68!
Please read the link.
Do a Google search of Sofia Jarvis.
ReplyDeleteConsider the timeline about Ebola. The incubation period is up to 21 days. So, it would be a while before any case in Dallas shows up.
ReplyDeleteIf I recall correctly, Dallas Patient Zero arrived on September 20 and was diagnosed on September 30. Correct me if I'm wrong about those dates.
How bad off was Dallas Patient Zero on September 30? From Reuters: Dallas Ebola patient vomited outside apartment on way to hospital. Who cleaned that up? Did he vomit inside the apartment building?
ReplyDelete"His whole family was screaming. He got outside and he was throwing up all over the place," resident Mesud Osmanovic, 21, said on Wednesday, describing the chaotic scene before the man was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday where he is in serious condition.
The hospital cited the stricken man's privacy as the reason for not identifying him. However, Gee Melish, who said he was a family friend, identified the man as Thomas Eric Duncan.
Also note the above in that Reuters article: The New York Times said that Duncan, in his mid-40s, helped transport a pregnant woman suffering from Ebola to a hospital in Liberia, where she was turned away for lack of space. Duncan helped bring the woman back to her family's home and carried her into the house, where she later died, the newspaper reported.
Four days later Duncan left for the United States, the Times said, citing the woman's parents and neighbors.
Think about this from the above Reuters article:
ReplyDeleteStill, the long window of time before patients exhibit signs of infection, such as fever, vomiting and diarrhea, means an infected person can travel without detection.
And what about the disposal of Ebola waste? See U.S. nears solution for safe disposal of Ebola waste for the details.
ReplyDeleteFrom the link just above:
Delete(Reuters) - The United States is days away from settling the critical question of how hospitals should handle and dispose of medical waste from Ebola patients, a government official said on Wednesday.
Experts have warned that conflicting U.S. regulations over how such waste should be transported could make it very difficult for U.S. hospitals to safely care for patients with Ebola, a messy disease that causes diarrhea, vomiting and in some cases, bleeding from the eyes and ears.
Safely handling such waste presents a dual challenge for regulators, who want to both prevent the accidental spread of the deadly disease and avert any deliberate attempts to use it as a bioweapon.
Most U.S. hospitals are not equipped with incinerators or large sterilizers called autoclaves that could accommodate the large amounts of soiled linens, contaminated syringes and virus-spattered protective gear generated from the care of an Ebola patient, said Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, chair of the Infectious Diseases Society of America's Public Health Committee.
Patient in isolation in Hawaii
ReplyDelete‘Hero’ Ebola Doctor Testimony Confirms Ebola Can Spread By Touch
ReplyDeleteThomas Duncan flew from Monrovia (ROB) to Brussels (BRU) on Brussels Airlines flight 1247 (SN1247) which departed ROB on Thurs. Sept. 18 and arrived in BRU early moring Fri. Sept. 19. He did not depart BRU until the next day aboard United Airlines flight (UA951) which arrived at Dulles (IAD) the same day. He had a round-trip ticket, which was purchased on Sept. 2 from an IATA accredited travel agency in Lagos, Nigeria. It appears his ticket was purchased by a company named “Silson Global Business Liberia Ltd.”. His return flight was scheduled to depart Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) on Oct. 19. The return flight was scheduled for DFW-IAD-BRU-FNA (FNA is Lungi Intl Airport in Freetown, Sierra Leone).
ReplyDelete[<a href="http://gotnews.com/exclusive-gotnews-com-leaked-flight-info-ebola-dallas-patient/'>source</a>]
VIDEO: NIH Director Admits Possible Ebola Could Mutate, Go Airborne [possible, but unlikely]
ReplyDeleteThe world finds out after the fact if the mutation has occurred.
... and just what can be done about that?
DeleteI don't know but I will say the measures will be more comprehensive if done with a clear head rather than in a state of panic.
Duck,
Deleteand just what can be done about that?
Design plans with that contingency in mind. Those plans should have been designed months ago -- at least.
From CBS Dallas:
ReplyDelete...The family was previously instructed to stay home, but the strict public health control order should ensure compliance, according to health officials.
The orders were hand delivered to the family members on Wednesday.
The orders state that visitors are not allowed at the residence “without approval from the local or state health department until at least Oct. 19.” That date marks the end of the incubation period, in which the family is at risk of having the disease.///
There are patrol vehicles outside of the apartment to ensure compliance.
ReplyDeleteTammy
Good.
DeleteBut where was he during that two days between his first hospital visit in Dallas and the day that he was taken by ambulance?
And after he was taken by ambulance, where did the people he was visiting go?
Those people who are locked down now in the apartment will be locked down until at least October 19. I find it highly unlikely that some of them are not already infected.
Are there crews at the Texas hospital to ensure that someone reporting Ebola symptoms and stating he has traveled to Liberia is properly quarantined?
DeleteFrom Huffington's headline:
DeleteWARNING CALL?
The patient has not been named by the hospital for privacy reasons. However, Gee Melish, who said he was a family friend, identified the man as Thomas Eric Duncan.
Duncan's nephew, Josephus Weeks, told NBC on Wednesday night that his uncle was not treated for Ebola until Weeks personally called the federal Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta to report the suspected illness. He said he made the call on the day that Duncan had returned to the Dallas hospital.
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Why are you taking such self satisfaction in the fact the family, which has shown NO signs of not cooperating, is being monitored while showing no concern at the absolute malfeasance of this Texas hospital?
Duck,
DeleteWhy are you taking such self satisfaction in the fact the family, which has shown NO signs of not cooperating, is being monitored while showing no concern at the absolute malfeasance of this Texas hospital?
Who says that I'm not furious at what the hospital did in releasing Duncan a few days before?
But I will say ask you this: Do you have any idea as to what life in the ED is like for an ED nurse? There is also the matter of shift changes -- as I've seen when Mr. AOW was in the ED several years ago.
Please check the updates in the body of the blog post. I've been busy this morning.
ReplyDeleteExactly!
ReplyDeleteWe don't like to talk about the financial hit to our healthcare system, but we should. It's going to be a huge hit! Millions upon millions of dollars.
Amazing how the left defends anything that happens under Obama like Ducky. Don't panic like some old lady watching FAUX News which most people wouldn't even know if they weren't watching it or about Andrew Tamohresi or Obama's sealed college records.
ReplyDeleteRemember they used to say that MRSA would never make it outside the walls of an operating room either.
Now let's all go back to being zombies like 50% of the country just like the progressives want.
DON'T PANIC
Deleteand don't forget your towel
Lisa,
DeleteRemember they used to say that MRSA would never make it outside the walls of an operating room either.
Excellent point!
Even the medical experts don't know what they don't know.
As for the Left, they will not try to evaluate the possibility that they don't now what they don't know. Some on the Right are like that too, and I have no patience with that lot, either. If one more person -- Left, Right, or Center -- tells me, "I don't want to think about that," I'm going to blow a gasket big time. A conservative friend did say just that to me ("I don't like to think about that, "meaning the recent beheading), and I went off on her. I couldn't stop myself!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/liberia-may-prosecute-us-ebola-180918158.html
ReplyDeleteWhen the news broke, I told AOW "The man has committed a criminal act." My gut told me he fled to America because he knew he had been exposed to Ebola.
I understand the survival instinct. But this man knowingly transmitted Ebola to America and he lied on a health form to get here. It begs a question. How many more will lie on their health forms? In his case, a minimum amount of honesty would have been required to present at the nearest hospital when he first touched down at Dulles, and request that he be quarantined. He did not do so. He took three international flights and risked infecting small school children. What is the financial cost and resource drain for one foreign national who flees a hot zone and comes here? What if that number is multiplied into the hundreds?
The White House policy should prioritize the safety of American citizens on sovereign soil. Apparently, we are not the priority. Placing a quarantine on travel from hot zones is not lacking in kindness. It is merely a practical, logical, and necessary non-punitive measure to protect American taxpayers and their children.
Tammy
Tammy,
DeleteWhen the news broke, I told AOW "The man has committed a criminal act." My gut told me he fled to America because he knew he had been exposed to Ebola.
And didn't I agree?
Yet, today before the news broke, I mentioned what you said to a friend, and she retorted, "You don't know that."
Pfffft.
Now you've been proven exactly correct, Tammy.
I hope that my friend has now heard the reality on the news and thinks back to what I'd already told her many hours before.
Why are we allowing into the United States any flights from the Ebola Zone of Africa?
ReplyDelete--------
Probably because the interdiction has to be on a passenger basis to be effective.
Duck,
DeleteNonsense!
Shut down all those incoming flights.
Now.
AMEN, Sister. AMEN!
DeleteYou still have to check the passenger manifest regardless of flight origin.
DeleteThe Liberian citizen essentially committed an act of bioterrorism. Call me cranky. But didn't he knowingly transport a deadly pathogen across not only state lines but international boundaries? He was the deadly pathogen, and he sure as hell knew it.
ReplyDeleteNow, my state, has approximately 100 citizens who are known to have come into contact with this man. Even should none of them fall prey to Ebola, they have to live through 21 days of psychological hell. I see the Monrovia airport has people lined up to fly to..... the U.S.A.? I support vigorous quarantine and revocation of the visas of all foreign nationals traveling from the epicenter(s) of this plague. This is not the time for them to visit America.
Tammy
Tammy,
DeleteEven should none of them fall prey to Ebola, they have to live through 21 days of psychological hell.
No kidding!
Lay this at our government's door. Dereliction of duty -- at the least.
Hawaii has dismissed the possibility of Ebola.
ReplyDeleteIn the matter of costs
ReplyDeleteIs this a "for profit" hospital?
Ducky, have you heard if they're sure there's any connection with this virus and the paralysis? And is it true the paralysis is temporary? We might not be hearing as much since we're not in Boston like you are...?
ReplyDeleteIt's not clear at all z except to say that they think it is related to the enterovirus 68 but that is not confirmed.
DeleteA young girl in northern Rhode Island died from a combination of enterovirus and staph infection.
Children with asthma are high risk.
Enterovirus 68 is a kissing cousin to the poliomyelitis virus.
DeleteZ,
DeleteI haven't heard that the paralysis is temporary.
Duck,
DeleteChildren with asthma are high risk.
For obvious reasons because their respiratory systems are already compromised and cannot "throw off" the virus's symptoms as easily as those who do not have asthma.
I have several children with asthma in the homeschool group and see how easily simple viruses can progress to "the bad thing."
yes, there are reports that some docs believe it's temporary, which leads me to believe some children have improved.
DeleteThis is a bad worry; more worrisome to me than EBOLA at this time. EBOLA, unless it mutates, is apparently NOT airborne and soap and water are enough to clean the virus off surfaces, from what I just heard.........
These kids are getting sick from the entero virus and some have died.
I see NO down side to closing schools in those areas affected for a month. They do when there's an inch of snow....why not now?
Z,
DeleteIn some cases, the paralysis has been ongoing for two years -- with no change.
They won't close the schools.
Z,
Deletesoap and water are enough to clean the virus off surfaces
Not sure that the above statement is accurate. I need to ask Tammy Swofford, RN.
I'm not speaking specifically of the hospital but rather of the overall costs, including deploying the CDC.
ReplyDeleteTake note of this: In August 2010, Obama Scrapped Tougher Bush-Era Quarantine Rules Designed to Halt Spread of Epidemics.
ReplyDeleteFor pity's sake!
ReplyDeleteDallas household weary of Ebola quarantine
Predictable: Delay in Dallas Ebola Cleanup as Workers Balk at Task.
ReplyDeleteMore than a week after a Liberian man fell ill with Ebola and four days after he was placed in isolation at a hospital in Dallas, the apartment where he was staying with four other people had not been cleaned and the sheets and dirty towels he used while sick remained in the home, health officials acknowledged on Thursday afternoon.
Would you feel better if they were a Benefit LLC or B Corp, Ducky? Because if they were, it wouldn't be possible for THEM to make mistakes.
ReplyDeleteNobody does Neoliberal Capitalism like a lame duck.
ReplyDeleteUpdate just added to the body of the blog post (ABC News, October 2, 2014)
ReplyDeleteI'm going to be optimistic and say this doesn't spread but lessons are learned from the numerous cock-ups.
DeleteTocsin said
ReplyDeletePentagon Official: The President Is Lying
To America — About Us, And About ISIS
Daily Caller, by Joseph Miller
President Barack Obama has taken a lot of flack since his Sunday night “60 Minutes” interview, in which he blamed the intelligence community for his failure to tackle the threat posed by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. And that is right and proper. Because not only was his excuse of blaming us a lie, but when questioned on his lie, White House press secretary Josh Earnest doubled down with a whole new lie — both of which are easily, publicly proven false. On Sunday, Obama said the intelligence community had underestimated the rise of ISIS, saying in an ...
Tocsin said
DeleteHe's lying about Ebola too, and so is everybody else.
Best thing we could do is send Ebola Bombs to ISIS.
The local news showed a man without any protective gear spraying the sidewalk in front of the Ebola apartments with a power hose. I hope it had bleach, and I hope he didn't snort anything up his nose.....
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ReplyDeleteBetter dead of dread disease
ReplyDeleteThan branded as a bigot,
Or anti-Semite at his ease,
'Cause D'Rats just don't dig it.
They'd rather see you die in vain
Writhing in agony
Than permit you to escape the pain
By banishing suspects most likely.
FT,
DeleteWelcome back!
Details about Mr. Duncan's first hospital visit:
ReplyDelete...When Mr. Duncan was asked if he had been around anyone who had been ill, he said that he had not....
[..]
...we have identified a flaw in the way the physician and nursing portions of our electronic health records (EHR) interacted in this specific case. In our electronic health records, there are separate physician and nursing workflows.
The documentation of the travel history was located in the nursing workflow portion of the EHR, and was designed to provide a high reliability nursing process to allow for the administration of influenza vaccine under a physician-delegated standing order. As designed, the travel history would not automatically appear in the physician’s standard workflow....
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for that link.
Would any of us volunteer to go into that apartment infested with Ebola? I think not!
FYI: Ebola Expert Tells CNN We Can’t Ban Flights From Liberia Because Of Slavery
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