I wonder how many Americans "think" the same way as those spewing the irrationality shown in the above video.
Related reading and video: Protesters flood California highway, throw explosives at officers, police say (CNN, dated December 8, 2014).
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With a hat tip to Infidel Bloggers Alliance (Warning! Strong language!):
I wonder how many Americans "think" the same way as those spewing the irrationality shown in the above video.
Related reading and video: Protesters flood California highway, throw explosives at officers, police say (CNN, dated December 8, 2014).
I wonder how many Americans "think" the same way as those spewing the irrationality shown in the above video.
Related reading and video: Protesters flood California highway, throw explosives at officers, police say (CNN, dated December 8, 2014).
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Too bad most of them don't know they are being played. But Obama was given exactly what he wanted. Latest shining object for a distraction.
ReplyDeleteDistraction from what, Benghazi?
DeleteOr maybe black communities are tired of the police being unaccountable. Odd that the fringe right gets in a lather about "accountability" but balks at applying it to the cops.
The issue of just who gets played in America would generate a lively conversation which you might find surprising and revealing.
The average minority probably knows what's what to a deeper extent than the average Teabag.
Here is a real racist from the MIT professor who was one of the architects of ObamaCare:
ReplyDeleteGruber co-authored a paper during the Clinton years which argued that legal abortion had saved the U.S. taxpayer upwards of $14 billion in welfare benefits and that it also lowered crime
Margaret Sanger sought to prevent birth within black communities; she wanted to do this in order to engineer black populations for her own purposes —which I feel was clearly racist in its nature. Gruber, on the other hand, does not advocate any racist policy; he is merely observing facts and commenting on them. Given the crime rate involving black Americans, given the social welfare being paid to millions of black Americans in order to ensure they continue voting for Democrats, and given the cesspools paid for by American taxpayers that we today laughingly call subsidized housing, how is Gruber wrong in his observation, or a racist for daring to state the obvious?
DeleteMustang,
DeleteYou've made an interesting statement: [Gruber] is merely observing facts and commenting on them. Truth? Based on stats, I think so -- although one cannot definitively prove a negative.
Whatever.
I submit that the statements that Gruber made would have been deemed racist had those statements been made by a Conservative. Am I wrong there?
"I submit that the statements that Gruber made would have been deemed racist had those statements been made by a Conservative. Am I wrong there?"
DeleteYou are absolutely right. There would have been rioting. I assume the MSM is silent on this story, right?
No, I think you are correct about that, AOW. The left has worked overtime to redefine Sanger’s quest to eradicate blacks as a defense of womanhood. Nothing is more contrary to the nature of womanhood than aborting innocent babies; the truth of this campaign is quite opposite from leftist rhetoric. Sanger speech-making was a euphemism for legalistic genocide much in the same manner as was Hitler’s search for a final solution.
DeleteApparently then Gruber is just stating facts regarding the so called death panels which are included in his masterpiece. After all, old folks cost a lot to maintain and are not productive. Ezekiel Emanuel who also participated in this bill of death states he will do nothing to prolong is life upon reaching the age of 75.
DeleteThis problem has been festering for a long time and, all other things remaining constant, it will compound. I'll ask, once again, what will become of the incentive for anyone to pursue or continue a career in law enforcement?
ReplyDeleteJon,
DeleteI'll ask, once again, what will become of the incentive for anyone to pursue or continue a career in law enforcement?
There won't be an incentive -- well, except for higher wages and further unionization. Something along the lines of what has happened to the teaching profession.
We mustn't kid ourselves: should local police departments become federalized, the local police departments will become even worse bureaucracies than they are now.
Any federalization of local police departments means the end to American federalism. I suspect Obama and Holder know that.
DeleteMustang,
DeleteAny federalization of local police departments means the end to American federalism.
And a way around posse comitatus?
AOW,
DeletePosse Comitatus only restricts federal military troops from enforcing state law; it does not restrict the military from enforcing federal law, which is how Eisenhower was able to federalize national guard and use them to ensure compliance with Brown v. Board of Education. In 2006, Posse Comitatus was revised to authorize the employment of federal military forces to restore public order and enforce federal law following natural disaster, epidemics, or other serious public health emergencies, terrorist attacks, or other conditions determined appropriate by the President of the United States.
Mustang,
DeleteI understand those details about Posse Comitatus.
But if local police forces have to answer over and over again to the federal branch, wouldn't those local police forces become de facto federal law enforcement? Not technically, of course, but rather de facto.
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As I type this in, protesters are again disrupting traffic in D.C. During rush hour, of course. From what I see on the television screen, commerce in a shopping district is being disrupted -- I'm not sure what part of D.C.
Local police already answer to federal rules. What I am referring to is this: if Obama “federalizes” local and state police (not sure how he could do that), then we no longer live in a federalist system. It is a fundamental change to our system of government. Moreover, state and local police swear an oath binding them to the state constitution and laws. Isn’t it amazing how quickly Obama screwed over America?
DeleteDC cops are Feds ... you'd think if there was one top notch professional police force, that would be it. Apparently not. Too much affirmative action, perhaps?
Mustang,
DeleteD.C. cops?
Puhleeze!
As one who was once stranded on the Anacostia Freeway with two flat tires, I watched police car after police car zoom by -- never mind that I was signaling for help.
I will have a post tomorrow about federalizing local law enforcement. I hope that you'll stop by to read the link I found.
Duck typed in: Or maybe black communities are tired of the police being unaccountable.
ReplyDeleteThe entire Garner tragedy would not have transpired if there were not a law prohibiting the sale of loosies (and, of course, if Garner had gone quietly with the police officers).
Are blacks treated differently by the police? Perhaps. If so, why? Could it be because of police officers' prior experiences with blacks, who -- like it or not -- do commit more crimes proportionately than other groups do.
The supervising officer at the scene of Garner's demise was a black female. How was this a racist incident?
Delete@Mustang,
DeleteYes, I've been wondering; has anyone asked Sharpton and/or other 'race baiters' that question?
As I see it, the coroner's report said homicide by choking.
DeleteDidn't say anything abut homicide by tax code or as another absurd right wing meme goes, homicide by being overweight.
What about the unarmed boy who was sht in the stairwell of the high rise a short time afterward. Cop was so concerned that the first thing he did was call his union rep. It was a resident who called for EMT's.
Kid deserved it. He died from taking the stairs.
Anything to deflect from the cop's responsibility.
If this guy gets off there is going to be an overdue shit storm.
Duck,
DeleteI thought that Garner died in the ambulance. Maybe I'm not recalling correctly.
You mentioned the unarmed boy who was sht [sic] in the stairwell of the high rise a short time afterward. Akai Gurley? The officer who shot Gurley was a rookie, and the hallway was pitch dark.
Mustang,
DeleteThe supervising officer at the scene of Garner's demise was a black female.
Yes.
And why wasn't she brought up on charges before the grand jury?
Jon,
DeleteNow, are police treated differently by blacks?
I think so.
There is a breakdown of respect for authority across the board, IMO.
"As I see it, the coroner's report said homicide by choking."
DeleteWere you in attendance when [all] of the facts were presented at the Grand Jury?
No, Berg, I read the report on the autopsy.
DeleteHear the voices? Those are your corner men yelling stay down because the right cannot win this one.
The supervising officer at the scene of Garner's demise was a black female. How was this a racist incident?
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Stunning.
Amazing what the military mind will do to evade the facts of this case.
Now, when are the neo-Confederates among us gong to understand that black communities aren't going to stand for the cops acting with impunity.
Simple.
Ducky,
DeleteIt's frustrating when you're asking specific questions in an attempt to get at the heart of the matter, and people introduce extraneous issues, isn't it?
I love watching a malodorous quack getting a big dose of his own poison.
Duck,
DeletePolice officers should not be acting with impunity.
And neither should the citizens whom the police serve!
Pay a visit to the warehouse district in NE D.C. Bladenburg Road (near Fort Lincoln Cemetery, where I happen to have family members buried but can no longer safely visit). is a good place to start -- day or night. See how yourvisit goes.
There is nothing simple about the relationship between the police and citizens, particularly if citizens have no respect for authority. It's more of a generational problem than a race problem, IMO.
You can have that whole DC area. I used to travel back there a lot when I was still active duty, and it was way too crowded for me.
DeleteI used to have to drive down to Belvoir from the Pentagon, and if I recall correctly, Alexandria wasn't exactly a garden spot, either. People sitting on porches of row houses drinking tallboys at 10 am.
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ReplyDeleteThis is what progressivism has wrought.
ReplyDeleteWalter E. Willams' 5 Steps to Success
ReplyDelete1. Don't commit any crimes
2. Don't have children unless you're married
3. Finish high school
4. Get a job, any job
5. Get married to someone who has done the same
If you do those five things, you have an over 95% of avoiding poverty and enjoying the experience of exercising control over your own fate.
It has worked for countless hundreds of millions of all races and ethnicities.
What do you do to avoid the lousy out of control rogue cop, strawman?
DeleteDucky,
DeleteI don't deny there are out of control cops. I just blogged about it the other day in Garner's defense, but you missed that, didn't you?
Because you're not interested if there's no chance to attack others, foam at the mouth and wave your marxist banner.
Let's take the progressive approach and write a few thousand more laws, oh! and add in some 'regulators.' That should fix it.
If Adolph Sharpton and Heinrich Holder really cared about poor minorities, they would be preaching those five steps instead of screaming through bullhorns, inciting riots and telling people it's all whitey's fault.
This ain't about freaking Sharpton.
DeleteThis is about rogue cops, who you admit exist and how to stop shielding the stiffs.
It is about breaking down the "thin blue line" meme and making them accountable. Pure and simple.
It is not a referendum on black poverty.
It is not a referendum on tax policy.
It is about the cops who feel they can act with impunity. It is about stop & frisk.
And if it ain't dealt with, there is going to be a shit storm because people are not about to be told any longer what this is about.
Silverfiddle,
DeleteThose five steps are sound advice.
Who is listening to that advice? Certainly, not these "Tear it down!" screamers -- nor are these screamers with a new slogan (apparently, the most recent Ferguson mantra)..
Once the mob mentality has gained momentum, reining in or reasoning with that mob is impossible. Furthermore, a mob will turn on anyone -- even those who are supporting "the cause."
Stop and frisk? The program where half of all arrests result in conviction?
Deletehttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/15/us-usa-newyork-stopandfrisk-idUSBRE9AE00I20131115
Like all leftwing propaganda, "Stop and Frisk" sounds nasty, but when done according to the law, it is effective. What is also left out is that NYPD precincts conduct such programs in concert with citizens groups.
So, as always, leftwing bumper stickerism leaves everyone a little stupider for being subjected to it.
SF,
DeleteOne half?
That's quite a stat.
You're right to put "think" in quotes. This is trained reflexive emoting, orchestrated with talking points. (They've been practicing, after all, for months.) Can no one distinguish between Michael Brown assaulting a cop and attempting to take his gun and cops in a non-violent encounter who overkill and end up killing a man for virtually nothing? Damn few, apparently. And all this as the worrisome trend of police entities nationwide are shifting from a mindset of public safety to one of police control. Well, here's grist for that mill!
ReplyDeleteNotice they've taken a cue from the Hamas playbook and go with faces covered.
Sorry Baysider, that covering your face goes way back.
DeleteNothing to do with Hamas.
Baysider,
DeleteYes, there is substantial orchestration going on.
Have you seen the new mantra?
Let's just get rid of the cops; after all they seem to be the real problem!
ReplyDeleteWhat a bunch of fools these "die-ins" are, just sucking the propaganda of the left. The man was a thug and a criminal, and he got what he deserve. Justice was served.
ReplyDeleteI SHOULD stunned, but I'm not by the continued ignorance of these black people in America, and the STUPIDITY of these Liberal, Progressives Bleeding Heart Morons who support them. . They are to dumb to realize that each of these deaths were caused by the black individuals own stupidity.
Seems to me race relations have been set back 40 yrs in the last year..thanks Obama,Sharpton and Holder..
If this man should have done what the police had told him to do, there wouldn't have been any problems.
This would never had happened to Law Abiding Citizens!
These protesters should be shouting ""PANTS UP, DON'T LOOT"instead of what they are doing.
I can remember when people respected the Police, and there weren’t any “Rappers” to call them names such as “Pigs” and call for the shooting of Cops! And calling women names like Ho’s and “Bitches” would have been banned.
ReplyDeleteBut now it’s the norm, and the people (some people) love it.
I remember when a cop gave an order, and the people just obeyed,period. No questions asked! But them days are gone.
Now, when a Police Officer tells you/them to do something, the words Racial Prejudice are shouted and they refuse to obey the Law. Or they run to get a lawyer.
So when an unarmed kid, walking down the stairs of a high rise is shot to death by a rogue cop who immediately calls his union rep rather than EMT's there is no reason to have a procedure that will eliminate that filth from police forces?
DeleteHow did the police become unionized in the first place?
DeleteWhat's it matter?
DeleteThe point is that he's not fit to be policing and there has o be an effective mechanism to judge the thin blue line(Yeah, right).
I remember when a cop gave an order, and the people just obeyed,period. No questions asked
DeleteI’m not sure I understand the historical precedent for this, SE. What I recall from my youth was that whenever we kids were misbehaving, the town cop lectured us about behaving ourselves. We answered “Yes sir, No sir,” and then the officer took us home. When we arrived at our house, he suggested to Mom that she explain to us the downfalls associated with juvenile delinquency. Mom usually passed this task along to Dad. I would rather have spent time in the town lock up than to have to explain to my father what I was doing.
We Americans are an independent lot and we do not much like the idea of bended knee, to either politicians or their uniformed lackeys. I will grant you that police work is not much appreciated these days, particularly in the ghettos where all the punks hear from their parents and peers is that whites are racist because they’re white ... but ordinary citizens do not enjoy having police officers bark at them as if we are common criminals. Most of us respond to politeness, such as “Please move away from this area, folks.” Most of us are not common criminals. It seems to me that a lot of work is needed in terms of community/police relations.
Let common sense prevail. Shall we obey the police when they are behaving as Sturmabteilung thugs? I think not. We have a Second Amendment to protect us from fascists.
First of all Nitwit, he wasn't a rogue cop ! Yes he was a rookie and he had bad judgement and he should be fired for what he did. But what he did was accidental, nothing criminal.
ReplyDeleteThere is NO question what he did was wrong, BUT no one is talking about this case here and now, except you who is trying to crucify the whole New York police force, because of one stupid Rookie that used bad judgement, in a darkened dangerous public housing stairwell with no lights in the stairwell ..
Even the guys own Mother don't want Al Sharpton to have any part of this case. This is not the same as the Michael Brown case. This is totally different. It’s about rookie cop who wrongly had his gun out of the Holster. It was an Accident, nothing more. Yes the young man is still dead, but lets call it like it is.
Irishman,
Deletetrying to crucify the whole New York police force, because of one stupid Rookie that used bad judgement, in a darkened dangerous public housing stairwell with no lights in the stairwell ..
Even the guys own Mother don't want Al Sharpton to have any part of this case.
Good points.
So let's get this straight.
DeleteA cop shoots down an unarmed kid in a stairwell and then calls his UNION REP instead of an EMT and you think this is not a rogue who should at the very leas be removed from the force? The VERY least.
Why not give us your desirable attributes for police.
Since you're freely giving me the tone let me tell you, someone who keeps the minorities and the Muslims in line. How did I do?
Or is your idea of an ideal cop someone who rousts a man on suspicion of selling loose cigarettes.
Maybe that's your ideal cop and it's just a question of bad tax policy not bad policing?
Informing the Union before going public is police policy
DeleteHey duckface, stop with that "unarmed Kid" BS, no one is buying it!
DeleteThis cop is going to get crucified because of other past cases now and he won't be treated fairly. He is going to be the scapegoat because of Ferguson, and the other NYC Killing, and thats not fair. He needs to go to trial and face the music for Criminally Negligent Homicide and stand on his own. Accident or not, his actions warrant that. A Grand Jury should not make the decision. . A Judge and Jury need to hear both sides of the story and decide what his fate is. And Ducky's here needs to get a life.
ReplyDeleteI’m truly sorry for the loss of these young men but I think the parents are wrong. It has been proven that these young man were no angels, no innocent children, no gentle giants, either. .They knew what they were doing and they did so anyway, actions and choices brought this whole incident into a bad situation.. Sad for all involved. There are no winners here... But can anyone explain to me why the rioting and looting? They are hurting innocent people and their own community. Don’t they care? I guess that they don’t. And that’s another problem.
ReplyDeleteNot this American.
ReplyDeleteAOW,
ReplyDelete"I thought that Garner died in the ambulance. Maybe I'm not recalling correctly"
According to NEWSMAX you are correct.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-police/2014/12/04/id/611058/
I submit that there are, in deed,'Rouge Cops' and they should, certainly be rifted out. However, the greater problem lies within some of the 'Black Communities' themselves; the South Side of Chicago* as a case-in-point. If nothing changes in such places the ultimate conclusion is on display in East Saint Louis, IL and Detroit.
* I'd love to see Ducky on patrol there for just one day!
The reason people like this Ducky character should be hogtied then taken out and shot is that they waste too much of decent people's time and energy. The Duckies of this world aren't worth listening to or bothering with.
ReplyDeleteGrumpa Jones
Ducky,
ReplyDeleteAt the risk of sounding like a cheap imitation of Thersites, I'll start by saying that a people who lose the ability to police themselves end up bring an oppressive down upon themselves. We see that at every level here in the Progressive State of America.
Also, the rookie who shot the kid in the hallway and the officer who shot the kid on the playground don't fit the definition of 'rogue.' They made a mistake borne of incompetency or lack of training. A rogue is someone who willfully flouts the law, and yes, there are cops who do that.
While each of these incidents is a tragedy, we must also realize that they are statistically minuscule. However, you asked what we can do about it, so here are some thoughts that occur to me:
* Police must come from and live in the community they serve.
* Citizens boards, much like a school board, for every police department
Just these two things attack this issue at the community level, which the cops are part of.
Regardless of where each individual cop scored on Ducky's Rogue-O-Meter (tm), we must also keep in mind that Michael Brown and Mr. Garner were breaking the law (although the law Garner was breaking was a NY tax law).
The final piece of this is to not mess with cops. They're dangerous and they have the law and firepower on their side.
When confronted by police, the first and only response is shut up and hands up.
If they violate your rights, you get the lawyer after the dust settles. Nowadays, citizen reporters are everywhere with smartphones, so cops can't get away with as much as they used to.
My humble opinion is no golden road to perfection. Those only exist in progressive fairy tales.
SF...couldn't have said it better. Progressive fairy tales where all people are so bad they must be legislated into perfection.
ReplyDeletescary to think many believe in perfection and are actually aiming for it...in others, of course.
Some of us have to get up in the morning and go to work. We then come home to do more work. We go to bed physically tired at night. Therefore, we do not have time to hit the streets and protest day after day.
ReplyDeleteI had a friend whose son protested for days on end back when the Occupy Wall Street movement was all the rage. He was not working, had no discernible skill, and people were bringing food to the protesters in Dallas. His mom was thrilled that he was out of the house.
I do wonder about the employment history and marketable job skills of those who invest so much time and effort into harassing law enforcement. There are valid concerns. These concerns need to be addressed within policy corridors. But I am convinced the gene pool is scraping along the shallows for a good share of these people. Anyone can lie in the street and block traffic. A dog, can do the same.
Tammy
but a dog has more sense.
DeleteTammy, you express my sentiments PERFECTLY as I just walked in the door from work. "The gene pool is scraping the shallows" - indeed!
ReplyDeleteAnd others' comments remind me of my favorite old saying for the last 45 years: We limit government through the exercise of self control. But those that have enough discipline to monitor their own actions are probably not the people Tammy writes about.
ReplyDelete@ Tammy,
"Some of us have to get up in the morning and go to work. We then come home to do more work. "
OK, but if not for you Ducky and others of his ilk couldn't eat. Now don't you feel good?
Tammy typed in:
ReplyDeleteI had a friend whose son protested for days on end back when the Occupy Wall Street movement was all the rage. He was not working, had no discernible skill, and people were bringing food to the protesters in Dallas. His mom was thrilled that he was out of the house.
The other night on CNN, Erin Burnett was cooing, "Isn't it wonderful that the Millennials have finally found their passion?"
Not long after the cooing, the windows were being broken out and the stores looted in Berkeley. How is that wonderful?
There is wisdom in the adage "Don't involve yourself in a problem for which you can provide no solution."
ReplyDeleteHey! Whatever happened to the respectable tradition of writing a letter to a Congressman, Senator, or any other public servant? I guess it is easier to text with hyphenated grammar and join a flash mob to trash private property. No level of discontent with governance warrants the actions which played out in Ferguson and beyond. We have no legal right to loot, vandalize and create mayhem. Lock 'em up, sez I. Otherwise, let's just be content with being an international laughingstock.
Tammy
Tammy,
DeleteWhatever happened to the respectable tradition of writing a letter to a Congressman, Senator, or any other public servant?
Not enough "glamor" for the Me Generations just to write letters! And no opportunities for selfies to Tweet out or to post on Facebook.
**sigh**