Additional information, including the verdict, HERE (hat tip to A New Dark Age Is Dawning). Brief excerpt:
...The prosecution presented wire taps and mobile phone records from the Shafia family in court to support their honor killing allegation. The wiretaps, which capture Shafia spewing vitriol about his dead daughters, calling them treacherous and whores and invoking the devil to defecate on their graves, were a focal point of the trial.Shafia also said:
"There can be no betrayal, no treachery, no violation more than this," Shafia said on one recording. "Even if they hoist me up onto the gallows ... nothing is more dear to me than my honor."...
"They committed treason from beginning to end. They betrayed humankind. They betrayed Islam...They betrayed everything."...
Why oh, why do we let these people in?
ReplyDeleteI am a proud Islamophobiaist.
ReplyDeleteSilverfiddle, we have no control over Canada's immigration policy.
ReplyDeleteThese folks got a minimum of 25 years to life. They were convicted on four counts and I don't know if the sentences are consecutive.
At any rate as I have tried to explain to you, it is rare in the Western hemisphere. It happens about as often as Christians hearing the voices telling them to drown the kids in the bathtub or otherwise sacrifice them.
It is cultural, not religious.
We let them in because otherwise I'd have to live next to evangelicals which I prefer not to do.
ducky...
ReplyDeletereligion is the primary container vessle for the preservation of culture. So for you to claim, "it's NOT religion... " it's just stupid.
Ducky shows his ass yet again... There are none so blind as those who will not see.
ReplyDeleteIslamic murder, misogyny, ect. is a dime a dozen on a daily basis.
I challenge Ducky to provide a comparison of Christian acts of murder and terror v.s. Islamic ones on a daily basis!
sick sick sick!!! Have a great week my friend!:-)
ReplyDeleteDucky is just playing the role toward Muslims that career "Anti-Semite Detectors" play in constantly searching for and loudly denouncing any sort of commentary that might even faintly be interpreted critical of or unfavorable to Jews.
ReplyDeleteThe only difference I can see is that Ducky is self-professed Catholic (Roman, I presume, right Ducky?), while most aggressive Anti-Semite Detectives are either Jewish, themselves, or rage-addicted Denunciation Addicts who love to involve themselves in hostilities not properly part of their domain.
I don't think Ducky hates Christianity per se as much as he dislikes what-he-believes is bigotry and narrow-mindedness that can too easily be used as an excuse to perpetrate violence.
People need to give up Group Identities, and GroupThink of ALL kinds. Each of us is an INDIVIDUAL and should regard himself -- and be regarded and evaluated -- strictly on that basis.
Multiculturalism -- which aids, abets and foments DIVISIVENESS in every conceivable way -- is the villain in the piece.
My friend, we've got to send
Those who will not blend
Around the bend,
Or we will come to no good end.
UNLESS you want to live in The United States of Barbaria.
~ FreeThinke
"The thief comes to kill and destroy. I come to give them abundant and eternal life."
ReplyDeleteThat's right Farmer. it's why the left has fought for a secular state to marginalize the excesses of religion.
ReplyDeleteNot that Rick Santorum or Michele Bachmann or some other fundamentalist crazy wouldn't try to move us closer to the dark ages.
Fact is the Muslims have been quite successful in the U.S. and bringing up this case as common is simply deceitful.
Still Farmer, I think you might have trouble identifying religion as a prime origin of the Mediterranean honor cultures.
ReplyDeleteThey were going strong right through the 70's in Spain, Italy and Greece.
Pick up a copy of "Divorce: Italian Style". Germi's films were influential in getting laws changed. It's interesting and hilarious to boot.
Yeah. What Black Sheep said.
ReplyDeleteFT,
ReplyDeleteEach of us is an INDIVIDUAL and should regard himself -- and be regarded and evaluated -- strictly on that basis.
Individual accountability is indeed the highway to a civilized society (as opposed to a barbarous one).
Right now, my British literature class is wading through John Milton's Paradise Lost, a work that I myself haven't read in decades.
One of the themes of the work is individual free will -- particularly interesting as Milton was a Puritan.
Black Sheep,
ReplyDeleteNow excuse me, I have to go slaughter my neighbors for eating fish on a Monday.
Point taken.
If all the world starts killing one another for not adhering to group, doctrine, etc., we devolve into chaos.
Z,
ReplyDeleteDuck is consumed with hatred for evangelical Christians. Nothing that any of us can say will change Duck's hatred of that particular group.
Duck,
ReplyDeleteWe let them in because otherwise I'd have to live next to evangelicals which I prefer not to do.
So, you've been accosted by evangelical Christians? Really?
I have all sorts of neighbors here. The most troublesome ones here are the NLRB couple who are always on the lookout for any and all zoning violations: leave out the garden hose or a bucket, and these neighbors call zoning enforcement. Once, they called animal control because a black snake exited their property and came over to my wooded back lot. Animal control laughed at the request. Literally.
I have no idea as to these neighbors' religion (if any), but I doubt they are evangelicals as their last name is Jewish, and I've seen no evidence whatsoever that they are Jews for Jesus.
The one Muslim neighbor that we had years ago was an excellent neighbor in all respects.
It happens about as often as Christians hearing the voices telling them to drown the kids in the bathtub or otherwise sacrifice them.
Really? Check your stats on that one.
Leticia,
ReplyDeleteIt breaks my heart that no one helped these young beautiful girls when they were begging for help. They did all of the right things in asking for help, but because of fear of the Muslims, no one did a damn thing to help them and now they are all dead.
I hope they can sleep at night knowing their political correctness aided four women to the grave.
As a teacher, I am fully aware of the legal consequences of not reporting suspected child abuse to child services; in fact, I've been down that road as the teacher who had to file such reports. Not reporting such instances is a legal liability -- and not only for tort action, either. I can't imagine that Canada doesn't have similar laws.
Did the Shafias flee Afghanistan to get away from the Draconian and misogynistic-in-the-extreme Taliban? I think so.
ReplyDeleteYet, Mohammad Shafia brought with him misogyny and fundamentalism. That fundamentalism could differ from that of the Taliban's. But in all aspects, no!
Where did Shafia's idea that his wives and daughters were his personal property to do with as he wished come from? That idea crosses several sects of Islam. Logically, that should tell us that Islam itself is misogynistic.
Furthermore, Shafia's statements about his "right" to kill family members who betray Islam are very telling.
And let us not forget that Shafia lived for nearly 20 years in the West before he killed his daughters and his infertile wife -- with the help of his fertile wife, no less.
How did Shafia's neighbors regard him? As "another nice Muslim neighbor"? I haven't read anything about that -- maybe I missed that information. Anyone here know?
Brooke said:
ReplyDeleteI challenge Ducky to provide a comparison of Christian acts of murder and terror v.s. Islamic ones on a daily basis!
Come on, Duck. Give us those statistics -- with links.
FJ,
ReplyDeleteThe household gods are the original deity.
From the time of ancient Mesopotamia!
Ancestor worship is but an extension of Mediterreanean honor cultures.
We can say the same about certain other cultures as well, including China.
Honor cultures cross all sorts of geographical and cultural lines.
In fact, the concept of honor was also one basis of European feudalism.
Silverfiddle,
ReplyDeleteWhy oh, why do we let these people in?
Because the West believes that our way of life will change their value system?
What is even more disheartening is that significant numbers of Westerners are converting to Islam. I read just the other day that Liam Neeson is considering conversion to Islam. Apparently, he is impressed with how much devout Muslims are dedicated to their faith, especially with their stopping everything to pray five times a day. Where is any similar commitment from Christians? Christians are hesitant even to say grace in a restaurant.
Honor killings in Canada since 2005
ReplyDeleteAncestor worship is but an extension of Mediterreanean honor cultures.
ReplyDeleteWe can say the same about certain other cultures as well, including China.
Religions are ALL about mankind "Eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil"... NOT necessarily worshipping any particular Deity. And as soon as we THINK we know the difference (between Good and Evil), we have things to both "honour" and "curse". Be it those who brought us into the game, or those who promise us a better place when we live it.
Atheists and "Scientific Humanists" think that they are "avoiding" the ignorances inherent in religion simply because they worship no Deity(s). But so long as they believe themselves intelligent enough to distinguish "Good" from "Evil", they place themselves on a par with all those who worship the gods. They are no better, and their results, no less harmfull.
That's what makes mr. ducky's self-proclaimed "superiority" over Evangelicals so sad. He is ignorant of his own ignorance. And this ignorance leads to the hubris he displays across the internet every day.
RECIPES for DISASTER
ReplyDelete1. Put a drop or two of used crankcase oil in your meatloaf mixture ...
2. Add one clove of minced garlic to your favorite recipe for chocolate fudge ...
3. Add one can of chunk-lite tuna to the batter of your favorite recipe for coconut layer cake ...
4. When making meatballs add one generous scoop of used Kitty Litter to the meat mixture ...
5. Scoop one freshly-laid turd out of the toilet and place it to the punchbowl just before your guests arrive ...
If you don't get my point, society deserves the degeneration and destruction it is presently experiencing.
[NOTE: Crabgrass, dandelions, chickweed and wild onions make the best lawns. Grass has become an endangered form of plant life, because it requires too much time and dedicated effort to maintain. It's so much easier to admit defeat and let the weeds take over.]
THE ONLY THING WE CANNOT AFFORD TO TOLERATE IS INTOLERANCE
~ FreeThinke
Thank God the verdict was swift and just.
ReplyDeleteTo people of ALL religions and creeds: When you come to the US or Canada, you must HONOR our laws.
Most important to abide by always is Christ's precepts:
ReplyDelete"Be not overcome by evil, but instead overcome evil with good."
"Let all bitterness and wrath, and anger, and clamor and evil speaking be put away from you with all malice, and be Ye kind one to another tender-hearted and forgiving one another, even as God, who for Christ's sake, hath forgiven you ..."
If we forget to live by Christ's words, we are not much better than our enemies.
Even so, I believe in this adage too:
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
It was idiotic of our liberal leaders to import trouble to these shores deliberately, because they thought it best "for the world s a whole" to transform our culture to fit their arrogant vision of One World United Under the Dictatorship of Socialist Doctrine Administered by an Oligarchy of Self-Anointed Elites.
~ FreeThinke
It also goes for all medical personnel and even church personnel.
ReplyDeleteAny suspected abuse should be reported.
I can't believe no one sheltered these girls.
Have you seen this?
ReplyDeletehttp://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/nine-year-old-british-girls-forced-to-marry-under-sharia-video/
Islamophobia? No ISLAM. Islam kills.
ReplyDeleteDebbie
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I've been keeping up with this case, through internet..having lived in Canada most of my life, i'm glad i don't have to watch the CBC's version of the events. It's disgusting how they could drown them. I wonder how long those girls were alive in sheer terror bfore finally sucumbing. At least now the goverment in Canada is no longer Liberal, and they are making efforts to keep these muslime dirtballs from infesting the country.
ReplyDeleteIt's not just for islam that laws are put aside. Down here in Australia they are set aside if the perps are one of the natives.
ReplyDeleteThey're even allowed to carry spears and what not in some places when the rest of us are not.
Racism is still well and truly alive in the west, just that it's a new form of racism.