Speaking of lying (hat tip to Randy's Roundtable, citing this May 8, 2012 press release at the White House web page):
The only time government employment has gone down during a recession has been under me. (Applause.) So I make that point just so you don't buy into this whole bloated government argument that you hear. And frankly, if Congress had said yes to helping states put teachers back to work and put the economy before our politics, then tens of thousands more teachers in New York would have a job right now. That is a fact. And that would mean not only a lower unemployment rate, but also more customers for business.The truth, from CNN Money on January 25, 2012:
The number of federal employees grew by 123,000, or 6.2%, under President Obama, according to the White House's Office of Management and Budget.Do voters in America have memories long enough to remember Obama's broken promises and egregious lies?
"My Administration will be the most transparant EVAH !"
ReplyDeleteThe man is a bald-faced liar.
ReplyDeleteWe do, but unfortunately the sound-byte voters will not, and the MSM will feed them the line.
ReplyDeleteIt's the Chicago way.
ReplyDeleteGovernment employees include more than Federal.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, state and local have declined significantly.
The Federal increase is primarily due to hiring in Homeland Security which is something we have the right wing diaper pissers to thank for.
So keep on posting the facts, AOW.
So, in one breath, he tells the people that government employment has gone down and blames Republicans that it hasn't. Neither of which, by the way, is true.
ReplyDeleteSo, in other words, he wants to hire more government workers (teachers) but the nasty old Republicans won't let him.
What a pip!
Did you hear? Obama has appointed members of the Muslim brotherhood to positions in the TSA and the Homeland Security department.
ReplyDeleteThat's like having a fox guard the henhouse.
Good move, the Brotherhood is in the best position to feed us information about Salafist extremists (whom they hate).
ReplyDeleteYou fringe righties too often let your bigotry cloud what little common sense you have.
If the Republicans stay on the offensive and allow themselfs to fall for the distractions, Obama will be toast in November.
ReplyDeleteThere are compulsive liars around who will lie to your face, knowing you know they're lying, but will do so anyway.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure there's some psychiatric term for such people, though I haven't any clue what it is.
However, Barack Hussein Obama is probably one of those, and that fits since anyone that far to the left has to lie if he wants to be elected anyplace other than a rock bottom, third world country.
You know, the kind he's trying to turn America into. :-(
I am convinced that in order to vote for obama this November, one has to have an IQ lower than 12.
ReplyDelete“In fact, state and local have declined significantly.”
ReplyDeleteYes, indeed … as the federal government continues to encroach upon states’ rights, there may not even be a need in the future for state legislatures, or governors, or state courts. But I have to laugh at Ducky’s weak attempt to defend the indefensible. What a chowder head.
Do we think that Romney will clean house if/when he is elected? I sure hope so. Cut Cut Cut everything that is absolutely not essential, that includes all these excessive numbers of federal employees
ReplyDeleteDebbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com
Under Obama, a Record Decline in Government Jobs
ReplyDelete1/6/2012
When Barack Obama ran for president four years ago, he appalled some Democrats by saying Ronald Reagan had been a transformational president.
Three years into his presidency, he has exceeded Reagan in one area: reductions in government jobs.
Over all — including a decline of 12,000 public sector jobs in the Labor Department report for December — government employment is down 2.6 percent over the last three years, compared to a decline of 2.2 percent in the early Reagan years. That is a record.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/under-obama-a-record-decline-in-government-jobs/
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ReplyDeleteSo...where did he 'raise taxes on the middle class?' You guys will believe and perpetuate any lie. He NEVER promised 'free' health care.
ReplyDeleteGitmo? Yeah, he should have closed it. But why are you complaining about this? The right would have been apoplectic if he had closed it down.
He did show economic growth every month due to the stimulus. Had the stimulus been more, as he requested and denied by the GOP, we'd be in far better shape.
But he's created more jobs in 3 years than Bush did in 8. And where Bush put us $5.5T in debt, Obama only increased it by $1.3T.
Oh, and he saved the auto industry.
Get real.
Even the left (at least most of them) are unhappy with promises not kept.
ReplyDeleteWe have libidiot here to hold water for him though.
(Did anyone notice his "news" source was a NYT blog?)
@ Chuck: I know you know this already, but it makes me feel good to repeat it. Lib-idiot (aka BD) is a typical under-educated clown who suffers the delusional proposition that he knows more than most everyone, and understands the complexities associated with civilized institutions. He gleans his truth, what little he is able to understand, from propaganda mills. Your demand that he cite an opposing point of view and reconcile the two would confound him. You see, Lib-idiot is the product of the American education system. He is why America is destined to fail, and he is far too stupid to realize that he helps to set this once great country on the path to self-destruction. Do not pity him; he is the enemy.
ReplyDeleteAOW, your paranoia is showing.
ReplyDeleteNow there are two ways to collect intelligence.
One is to assume that the entire Muslim world is against us and attempt to infiltrate. Pretty difficult, expensive and low success rate. But this is what you seem to assume is optimum.
Or you can use your head and realize that the enemy of my enemy can be useful. The Brotherhood has never been an ally of al-Qaeda or violent sects and we are almost certainly working with them in Egypt since they are the dominant power.
Duck,
ReplyDeleteOr you can use your head and realize that the enemy of my enemy can be useful.
As Osama bin Laden was?
[Osma bin Laden] welcomed America's help in the 1980s while he was a mujahedeen guerrilla battling Soviet troops in Afghanistan, only to declare war on the U.S. a decade later.
You said:
The Brotherhood has never been an ally of al-Qaeda or violent sects
Al Qaeda emphasizes using violence; the Muslim Brotherhood emphasizes using political channels. Both movements are movements of Islamic supremacism.
Let us also not forget the Muslim Brotherhood's connections with Hamas.
It is not paranoia to be aware of real danger. It is delusion in the extreme to make one's bed in a nest of snakes.
From MSNBC in November, 2011:
ReplyDeleteWhile overall payroll employment in the United States has fallen by nearly five percent since the official start of the recession in December 2007, there are 12 percent more federal workers today than there were when the downturn started, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
[T]he federal headcount has been recession proof, growing while many private sector firms are shedding employees or just holding job levels steady.
Nearly 15 percent increase in executive branch
A separate tally by the Office of Personnel Management, which counts most executive branch employees but excludes the Central Intelligence Agency and a few other agencies, shows a 14.8 percent increase in the number of executive branch employees from September 2007, right before the recession began, to June of this year, the most recent month for which the OPM data are available.
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And the overall impact of federal largess is felt far beyond official payrolls. Even with a growing federal work force, the government continues to rely heavily on outside contractors.
[...]
“Headcount has become the defining statistic on whether or not government is too big. If head count is the defining statistic, what do you do? You hide it” by using contractors, he said.
Krystal,
ReplyDeleteI am convinced that in order to vote for obama this November, one has to have an IQ lower than 12.
Great comment!
I'm pretty sure most Americans would remember his broken promises a lot easier if the msm publicized them as they would if he were a republican.
ReplyDeleteNone the less I think enough are well aware of him and his many failings.
Record deficits under the Obama administration
ReplyDeleteYeah, nice try AOW:
ReplyDeleteHERE'S THE TRUTH:
CHART: Spending, Taxes, And Deficits Are All Lower Today Than When Obama Took Office
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/15/484767/obama-budget-chart/
And while you're at it:
CHART: Who Really Caused The Deficit?
http://tpmdc.talkingpoi
Not to be a broken record but....
ReplyDeleteLib, your source of news is Think Progress?
Yes it is, prove to me it's a lie.
ReplyDeleteLiberalman, you presented your case. The burden of proof is on you. Prove it's not a lie, and try not to use lying Liberal sites to prove it.
ReplyDeleteWhat is this? Dueling charts?
ReplyDeleteThere are different ways of looking at the raw numbers.
Well, HERE is one comparing federal spending with median household income.
THIS is indisputable: the national debt has increased more under Obama than under GWB:
The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.
It is easy to confuse the terms "national debt" "federal spending," and "national deficit." High figures in any of those categories are economically devastating over the long term.
Obama's tax hikes, some of which are pending:
ReplyDelete1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco
2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax (takes effect in Jan 2014)
3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax (takes effect Jan. 2014)
4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income (Tax hike of $123 billion/takes effect Jan. 2013)
5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans (Tax hike of $32 bil/takes effect Jan. 2018)
6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax (Tax hike of $86.8 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013)
7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax (Tax hike of $5 bil/took effect Jan. 2011)
8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Tax hike of $1.4 bil/took effect Jan. 2011)
9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Tax hike of $13 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013)
10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Tax hike of $20 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013)
11. Obamacare "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI (Tax hike of $15.2 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013)
12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Tax hike of $2.7 billion/took effect July 2010)
13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D (Tax hike of $4.5 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013)
14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike (Tax hike of $0.4 bil/took effect Jan. 1 2010)
15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/took effect immediately)
16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Tax hike of $22.2 bil/took effect Jan. 2010)
17. Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers (Tax hike of $60.1 bil/takes effect Jan. 2014)
18. Obamacare $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives (Tax hike of $0.6 bil/takes effect Jan 2013)
19. Obamacare Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 ($min/takes effect Jan. 2012)
20. Obamacare “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion/took effect immediately)
21. Obamacare Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion/took effect immediately)
ATR provides the bill name and page number as well as explanations and charts, so click on over.
Also notice how many of those tax increases are not set to go into effect until after the presidential election in 2012?
Why Obama won't grade himself on the economy:
ReplyDeleteUnemployment at 8.1 percent, and thirty-nine straight months of unemployment at 8 percent or higher;
Median income down $4,300 since Obama took office and down $2,900 since the “recovery” began;
Three million foreclosures since 2008, another two million in progress;
Gasoline costing $3.73 per gallon on average nationally;
$5 trillion in new debt in less than four years;
The loss of our AAA credit rating;
Taxpayers set to lose $15.6 billion if the government sold its GM stock today;
71 percent of Americans rating the current economic conditions “poor.”
Nice try AOW, all bullshit and lies. He has not raised federal taxes on the middle class, he has reduced them. And the GOP have blocked bill to reduce them further.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/dec/01/barack-obama/obama-says-taxes-lower-middle-class/
[T]he tax burden on middle-class Americans has decreased during Obama’s presidency. More than one-third of the 2009 stimulus bill consisted of tax cuts, including expanded tax credits for workers, people with children, college students, homebuyers, and the unemployed. In 2010, Obama proposed and Congress accepted a substantial temporary reduction in the payroll tax, which was recently extended through 2012. Meanwhile, the Bush-era income tax cuts were also extended through 2012. While one might quibble about whether all of this amounts to decreasing the tax burden on middle-class Americans by “a little” or “a lot,” only 20% of the public gave either of those answers.
As with perceptions of unemployment, perceptions of how the tax burden has changed during Obama’s years in office have significant political ramifications. Among “pure” independents (those who do not lean toward either party), Obama’s job approval rating was 52% among those who recognized that the tax burden had decreased, but only 35% among those who thought it was unchanged—and only 17% among those who (wrongly) thought it had increased.
Liberalmann,
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned expanded tax credits.
Well, tax credits do zero to put a dent into the national debt or the federal deficit.
The national debt and the federal deficit are the gigantic elephants in the room.
Nothing I could ever cite about Obama on ANY topic would persuade you not to vote for Obama or to see that his administration has on the road to economic disaster.
Furthermore, you see your "role" in the blogosphere as hopping from blog to blog and shilling for Obama -- and copying and pasting the same comment(s) at several different blogs.
In the end, the votes in November may come down to "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" and to Obama's waning likeability factor.
I'm leaving this thread open (for now), but will not waste any more of my valuable time trying to reason with you. Instead, I'm going to deal with my responsibilities here on the home front.