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Monday, June 13, 2022

The Gun-Control Lies

 by Warren

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

~~H.L. Mencken~~ 

In this post, I'm going to point out a few of the lies and some of the misinformation surrounding guns in general and the venerable AR-15 rifle in particular.


The AR-15 rifle is not an assault rifle.

From Merriam-Webster:

: any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire.

 --my underline-- Below was added to the definition years later.

also : a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire

The AR-15 is not capable of automatic fire, which is the true defining characteristic of an "assault rifle," nor are the bullets fired through it any more damaging or devastating than bullets of similar size and velocity fired from any other rifle.

I have often said that if a word can mean anything you want it means nothing. So we find ourselves with no agreed definition.

George Orwell said, in an essay titled “Politics and the English Language,” the following about words that have “no agreed definition”:

Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different.

Prior to the publication of a 1988 booklet about “assault weapons,” Google Book’s library of books and other publications revealed no results that use the term "assault weapon" to describe a semi-automatic rifle. 

The following people have described semi-automatic “assault weapons” or “modern sporting rifles” as  “fully automatic weapons” or “weapons of war”:

– President Barack Obama, 2013, “weapons of war.”

 – Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton, 2016, “weapons of war” and “assault rifles.”

– Josh Earnest, President Obama’s Press Secretary, 2016, “military-style assault rifles.”

 – Will Drabold, Time Magazine, 2016, “assault rifles” that have “widespread availability” in the U.S.

– Christopher Ingraham, Washington Post, 2016, “an assault rifle.”

– Evan Perez of CNN, 2016, “weapons of war.”

– Nick Wing, Huffington Post, 2016, "assault rifles."

Weapons Of War?

In reality; every weapon is a "weapon of war" or an improvement on an existing "weapon of war."

A wooden club, to a wooden club with a stone tied to the end.

A wooden spear, to a spear with a fire-hardened point, to a napped flint stone tip, to a javelin with a iron point.

A bow and arrow through all its various iterations to a crossbow which was termed a weapon so horrible that it would end warfare  -- by the Catholic Church --.  

The evolution of the modern firearm begins in 1364  

The truth is that any weapon that is practical for protection or self-defense, in form or function, is an adaptation of a weapon that was developed for military use and thus a "weapon of war."

AR Does Not Mean "Assault Rifle" or "Army Rifle" or "Automatic Rifle"!

AR means, ArmaLite Rifle, which was developed by Eugene Stoner for the ArmaLite Corp, then was redesigned and modified by the Colt Firearm Company for the US military as the M16 rifle and then the M-4 variant. 

The AR-15 Is Not Suitable For Hunting?

Not true. The AR platform is suitable for hunting and offers a wide variety of different chamberings and calibers for different purposes, including hunting. Most states do not allow the 5.56 mm cambering -- the primary chambering of the AR-15 -- as a suitable game cartridge for medium sized game -- deer, elk etc.-- as it is under-power and does not ensure a "clean kill." But the issue at hand isn't about hunting, and I see nothing about hunting in the Constitution of the United States.  

The gun control narrative depends on raw emotion, raw fear, so that people will demand action from lawmakers, who will, in turn, be too afraid to not pass gun control.   

Lies our President tells us:


 This is stupid beyond belief!


Twisting of facts and figures to promote a narrative!

Reality check.  The most popular rifle for home defense is the AR-15, and the most popular pistol for home defense is the Glock 19 -- a 9mm pistol.

Sure, you're not coming for our guns /sarc. But gun registration always leads to gun confiscation. We gun owners argue in good faith, and the next day you are back demanding more "compromise." To what end?  

142 comments:

  1. "Weapons of war" indeed. Handguns are the cause of the overwhelming majority of shootings, and they indeed [as with every class of firearm], were designed as "weapons of war". Yet the gun control camp seemingly doesn't even consider them, instead focusing on what they view as low hanging fruit, and the first real step towards banning civilian ownership of firearms.

    But their campaign is built on lies and deceit:

    Assault weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons --anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. - Josh Sugarman, Executive Director and founder of the Violence Policy Center (VPC)

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  2. HealthDay News
    “35 mass shooting cases that occurred in the United States between 1982 and 2019 and involved shooters who survived and were brought to trial.” They discovered, “28 had mental illness diagnoses. Eighteen had schizophrenia and 10 had other diagnoses including bi-polar disorder, delusional disorder, personality disorders, and substance-related disorders.” 80 percent of mass shooters in this study had a mental illness, undertreated, or not treated at all.

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    1. I suspect that the gun compromise will involves un-Constitutional NSA surveillance database algorithmic searches to identify mental issues for "red flagging" gun purchases AND confiscations... much as the FBI contractors used it for parallel construction of criminal cases from 2012 on at Perkins Coie.

      Jes sayin'...

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    2. One of the most scrutinized parts of the compromise is expected to be its encouragement for states to pass so-called red flag laws that allow authorities to temporarily take guns away from people who are considered dangerous. Several high-profile Republican senators -- including Missouri's Josh Hawley, a potential 2024 presidential candidate -- have said that they oppose such measures.

      -FJ

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    3. (((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 8:32:00 AM CDT

      *Virginia's third Senator Josh Hawley

      But until he stands up in the Senate and screams bloody murder that Congress has no constitutional authority to be discussing any infringements on the individual right to keep and bear arms, he's part of the 535 problems.

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    4. Expanding "Gun Background Checks" is IC code for using un-Constitutional NSA Domestic Wiretapping and Surveillance operations. They're never going to admit to using or give up those databases, beamish. They're going to "justify" them.... so it's 4th/5th Amendment Rights too, not just 2nd.

      -FJ

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    5. This post is about guns, not Trump. Stay on topic

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    6. ((((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM CDT

      ...or just back on track towards more perfect...

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    7. It's also about people and politics, sf. This is the great divide which separates Americans. And the government Uni-Party has chosen its' side to support. So discussion of the real divide has become taboo, as each side scapegoats the leaders of the opposition.

      Main Street wants government to stay out of our lives and has little use for federal government intervention. Wall Street needs government to "enable" their lives and protect their ever-expanding and "legalized" privileges.

      Government now has an un-used tool in it's toolkit. Mass domestic surveillance. It forms the engine for Wall Street's "Society of Control". It gives you pop-ip ads based upon your latest Google search. It now wants to confiscate your guns based upon your most recent Blog posting or political rant. It's a "Wall Street" solution to a "Main Street" problem.

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    8. Having put nearly every Main Street non-service based retail establishment out of business, and outsourced it's manufacturing base to the Far East, the Wolf's of Wall Street must now keep the impoverished Main Street "surplus ex-workers" under control and consuming their government subsidy payments, and what better to monitor and control it then the red-flagging algorithms of Axciom?

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    9. No but computers did place those 200 gun ads in your computer feed when last you searched on "gun ranges"...

      Desire divining machines...

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    10. Amazing what immediate feedback provided into a control loop can do... you can make instantaneous micro-adjustments at a Gbps frequency.

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    11. (((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM CDT

      Fortunately most of Trump's far-left anti-gun agenda didn't pass even a Democrat-dominated Congress (his expansion of the ban on carrying weapons on federal land is still tied up in court even as the definition of "federal land" itself expands). If it had passed, he could be and would be SWATted for his "shoot someone on 5th Avenue" ideations and Mar-A-Lago and other properties would become the property of the BATF.

      No, Trump is not friendly to gun owners.

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    12. ...and I believe that the genius of our original Constitution lay in the limits it originally placed upon government power. When Trump supports that vision, I support Trump. When he doesn't, I don't support his position, but I still support the person/ man.

      -FJ

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    13. ...for no one's perfect.

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  3. Had the 31 Patriot Front thugs managed to shoot 3 people each, by some definitions, those 93 dead wouldn’t be a “mass shooting”.

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    1. Why would an FBI created and led organization shoot people?

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    2. I thought that it's purpose was to lure recruits into participating in an event, and then arresting them to earn "FBI Crime Prevention" points with Congressional funders.

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    3. -FJ... are these replies and the one the other day calling the events of 1/6 the product of Live Action Role Players [LARPs] part of your admitted MO of just posting stuff to piss off and drive the left nuts, no matter the truth?

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    4. My comment wasn’t meant to provoke unhinged conspiracy theories or sympathizing of white supremacy groups but rather that by definition, as long as each of the 31 only killed 3 people, those 93 dead wouldn’t qualify as a “mass shooting”.

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    5. Did you see Chuck Todd's "Trust in Government" poll results yesterday, Dave?

      -FJ

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    6. @Dave - Other distractions aside, I'd be very interested to know if you [or Jez, or even Ronald] had any contrary points of view about the above narratives, or others that Warren didn't include. Do these help the cause of gun control.....aside from duping the uninformed?

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    7. @ Dave -If you want to know the "truth", my point is that Nancy Pelosi's investigation is a partisan political witch-hunt with no basis in reality, much as many federal agencies including DoJ, FBI, IRS, et al have been politicized and are now merely an extension of the DNC, a few influentia; Never-Trump Republicans, and the entire Civil Service bureaucratic Deep State.

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    8. All of them above use Government to serve their own personal SELF interests. The "common good" for Main Street Americans has long ago been abandoned in favor of Wall Street Americans.

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    9. In other words nothing is ever the fault of the Trump wing of the GOP. That's how a cult works, kids.

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    10. @ CI, et al.
      I'll gladly address anything relevant or anything I didn't cover in my Post as long as it's related to facts and not appeals to emotion.-- Your emotional problems are not my concern, see a shrink.--

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    11. The economics which once united the two America's now all favor the latter.

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    12. ...and the "Trump cult" all live in the former.

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    13. @Warren - That's my point. The house built by the gun control cabal, are nothing more than lies, ignorance and appeals to emotion.

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    14. Dave and Ronald,

      Please try refuting what Warren has written.

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    15. This post is about guns, not Trump. Stay on topic.

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    16. Not so. I support Trump. I support the 2nd Amendment. But when push comes to shove, I support the latter against ALL political party's or politicians.

      -FJ

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    17. @ CI,
      "@Warren - That's my point."
      I know, hence the "et al" after your nom de plume. I should have been clearer.

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    18. Push *does* come to shove in the cognitive dissonance of voting for Trump to offset threats of erosion to your gun ownership rights. It's like polishing snails with salt water. The only difference between the two New York leftists in the 2016 election for President was that Trump actually was from New York. -(((TC)))

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    19. So you're a single issue 2nd Amendment voter now, beamish? Who knew? Can't I vote for president's based upon a Chinese Menu Two from Column A, One from Column B approach "I like Trump on this and this, plus Biden on that"?

      -FJ

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    20. (((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 4:00:00 PM CDT

      I'm not a single issue voter either. On the single issue of 2nd Amendment rights, however, neither of the two "major parties" fielded a pro-gun rights candidate in 2016 or 2020, Comrade Trump being slightly the worse choice between the two on that issue.

      Mandatory machine gun and ammo vending machines in every school or bust.

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    21. Ci... sorry to circle back so late. I'm assuming you're asking about Warren's post, as opposed to Ron's comment about the defs of "mass shootings."

      In that, of course I am of the "ilk" that sees little need for most folks to have a ton of weaponry and such at the ready. but that's just me. The Constitution, as it is currently interpreted says the average joe can have guns, so we've got to figure out a way to live with that.

      All that said, as I read things, at least some justices have weighed in that no rights are all inclusive. And yet I see the gun movement loath to accept any limitations on those rights.

      The argument seems to be "the great majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens, so their rights should not be curtailed, by the actions of the idiots/criminals."

      If that is inaccurate, I'm sure someone will let me know.

      So that being said, Isn't that true of all our rights? The actions of a few, the clowns who yell fire in a crowded theater for example, always impact the majority.

      Why is gun ownership so different?

      But getting back to Warren's post, most of my hunting friends have no use for an AR 15. My buddies who run large groups of cattle [pver 2000 head] carry mostly single shot hand guns and rifles with them. They'd call a group of AR 15 toting ranchers and bunch of pretenders, lightweights.

      I see little need for 18, 19 and 20 year old kids to need an AR 15 of for that matter, any semi automatic rifle. If we've already accepted a minimum age for a handgun, why not these more deadly weapons that can carry clips of 30 bullets?

      And yes, i know it looks slippery slopeish, but throw us some bones. Tell the left what the right will accept as reasonable limitations. And if it is none, say that too.

      I know nothing the left will propose will solve our gun issues. But maybe some of the suggestions will save some. Isn't that worth it?

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    22. Dave,
      most of my hunting friends have no use for an AR 15

      Depends on what is being hunted. See THIS in Time Magazine.

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    23. (((Thought Criminal)))June 14, 2022 at 3:17:00 PM CDT

      Tell the left what the right will accept as reasonable limitations. And if it is none, say that too.

      There's a fairly nice sized fishing pond about two miles from my house that I could concievably hit with a Davy Crockett mortar round with a W52 tactical nuclear shell and not even have to boil or fry the fish. Radiation will kill the germs. And the bonus is I wouldn't have to sit in a boat all day catching fish one at a time.

      Put me in the no limitations column.

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    24. I appreciate the circle back Dave.

      The AR platform, as has been covered in other comments, is a pretty perfect firearm for hunting. The media and gun control cabal have tried to convince the public [aside from conflating them with automatic firearms] that they only come in .223/5.56, which indeed, is not great for big game. But you can literally get an AR style rifle in nearly any caliber you can imagine. In many cases, you can swap uppers to run different calibers on the same lower. Cheaper than buying additional firearms....and keeping the number owned somewhere under an 'arsenal'.

      There are plenty of hunters and assorted firearm owners that eschew modern sporting rifles. We often call them Fudds. But it's really not much different than Mustang aficionados beefing with Camaro owners. In this case, it's Glock v. well....every other handgun....or AR v. AK pattern.

      The problem with the 'fire in the theater' analogy, is that the theater can actually be on fire. Criminal do have firearms, and the best defense against that, is a firearm.

      Tell the left what the right will accept as reasonable limitations.

      What we're waiting for is actual compromise....like the Left always says it wants. Where is national reciprocity offered up by the Left? The Hearing Protection Act [removing suppressors from the NFA]? Now, granted.....much of that falls on the jelly-spined GOP. But the Left can do it's part too, besides simply demanding that we further restrict the already most restricted Constitutional Right.

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    25. Dave asked, why should guns be different? Indeed.

      Why do Democrats want the right to keep and bear arms treated differently?

      To the authors of our constitution, the right of free people to keep and bear arms was a given. To question such a right would have marked you as crazy or tyrannical.

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  4. @ RJW,
    I'll be sure to remember that because the definition of what constitutes a "mass shooting" is sooo important to getting your agitprop right. --rolls eyes--
    Mass shootings occur in Chicago constantly, where it's almost impossible to legally own any type of firearm legally, yet nothing is done about it.
    The 10 cities with the most mass shootings (Sept. 29, 2018 - May 24, 2022 CBS statistics):
    Chicago 811
    Philadelphia 367
    New York City 251
    Baltimore 220
    Houston 214
    Washington DC 184
    New Orleans 149
    St. Louis 143
    Atlanta 132
    Detroit 125

    Notice, every one of them is a Democrat run hellhole and has been for years.
    Let's ban the Democrat Party!

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    1. (((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 9:40:00 AM CDT

      St. Louis used to compete fiercely with Detroit for Murder Capital of the US, to the point it was tempting to go out and murder people to keep Detroit off the throne. But then, the St. Louis Police Department found an ingenious way to lower murder rates and render the St. Louis-Detroit rivalry moot that perhaps Chicago should look into.

      The STLPD invested in paper shredders to shred crime reports.

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    2. Also notice that Chicago had more that twice as many as the next leading contender, Philadelphia, and almost 6 1/2 times the last on the list, Detroit.

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    3. To be clear, those number represent those shot, both killed and wounded. I didn't mean to conflate the "mass shooting" number with those wounded or killed.

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    4. (((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 10:13:00 AM CDT

      I understood that. "Mass shootings" could be just "shots fired" that don't wound or kill anyone with the fluid definitions in play. It's certainly not murders-by-guns rate, which would put St. Louis back in the championship bracket. Our gangstas know how to aim. ;)

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    5. Just like school shootings seem to include shots fired within the same zip code of a school.

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    6. @ CI
      Yeah, I noticed that too.
      After hours crap when there's no one else around, road rage incidence, drug deals gone bad, gang banger shoot outs, across the street shootings.... Had one locally where there was a drive by in front of the school at night. That last one got caught and is serving life.
      Figures don't lie but liars figure.

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    7. My point which I obviously failed to articulate Warren, is that it really doesn't matter if it's "mass shootings" or an "assault rifle".

      My personal opinion is that AR-15 and others are weapons of mass destruction. That would be because they are indeed weapons and have been destructive, mainly to mass quantities of school kids, their families, and communities- more so than other smaller caliber and slower firing weapons.

      But I realize they aren't classified as weapons of mass destruction. I also realized that to those kids, families, and community, that doesn't change a damn thing.

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    8. @ RJW -So you don't object with kids being killed, just the speed at which they are killed or can be killed. I guess that makes you a "good person", eh, Ron?

      But then again, there are all those hundred/ thousands of other kids (maybe 94%) not killed by "WMDs" but by slower/ smaller caliber guns. Why don't you care as much about them, Ron? Is it because the kids are browner? Or are they simply the next "victims" requiring your and our immediate attention for intervention?

      -FJ

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    9. Ooops, my bad. Assault weapons are only 3.2% of homicides, not 6%.

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    10. More liar -based lying statistics...

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    11. @ RJW,
      1. You are talking about your personal feelings and they don't reflect reality.
      2. The AR, in the caliber you are referring to is 5.56mm (.223) which makes it a small caliber and the only one I know of smaller is, bb caliber which is .177, a varmint and plinking rifle.
      3. The definition of a weapon of mass destruction is "A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological, or other device that is intended to harm a large number of people." --Via DHS-- Do you seriously consider the AR to be in that category? If you do I consider you, a way over the top, Fabulist.
      4.The AR is on the low end of power for "high power rifles". --see-- Power of Rifle Cartridges in Foot-Pounds. It's a matter of physics and not feelings.
      The formula is (Force = Mass x Velocity) --that's a slight oversimplification of the physics and doesn't include many factors such as sectional density, barometric pressure, bore wear....
      5. Your formulation of "more so than other smaller caliber and slower firing weapons." is wrong and leaves it about 500 foot-pounds less powerful than the 30-30 Winchester which any serious hunter or rifleman consider on the very lowest end of high powered rifle.
      6. Most semi-auto pistols and my Ruger 10-22 can fire just as fast as an AR and you must train a lot to actually hit anything if you are pulling the trigger as fast as you can.
      And yes, I am an expert on the subject.
      And then you are left with your feelings, once again.

      Your view leaves the door wide open to creeping incrementalism.

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    12. more so than other smaller caliber and slower firing weapons.

      @Ronald - Serious question....do you really have any idea what you're talking about? When you finally admit that you don't, why then do you persist with the false narratives?

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    13. Do you reload, Warren? Because I think the formula is F=mV^2. The squared velocity being the main "energy" component in a .223's round's punch. I used to reload .30-.30 rounds, and my option was either 150 or 170 grain bullets But both rounds yielded about the same terminal energy at 100 yds... so I used typically used the150 grain variant with a faster-burning powder to increase its' initial velocity.

      Given that the .30-.30's magazine is a spring loaded tubular one, the bullets must be either round or flat nosed (decreasing their initial and overall velocity) but preventing an accidental discharge in the storage tube. It was considered a "brush gun" cuz the bullet being slower and round-nosed, could punch through dense underbrush w/o being deflected off coarse like a faster/sleeker .223 might be.

      It has been 45 years since I reloaded anything, so I may be mis-remembering a bit.

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    14. ps - I love my 10/22, too! Full-auto is but one Hellfire trigger away. ;)

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    15. Oh look, they've gone nextgen!

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    16. The .223 energy problem is that the bullet only weighs between 50 and 70 grains... My .30-.30 had 2-3x that.

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    17. Note from the table above

      So what does table of the 30-30's external ballistics tell us exactly? It says that at around the halfway point of 500 yards the bullet will have slowed to less than half of its original velocity, lost 1543 ft pounds of energy (now pushing just 357 lbs), and dropped due to gravitational forces some 126 some inches, and all of this in just a second. What is strange is that this big bullet at 500 yards has just 90 ft lbs more energy than the little .223 Rem. In comparison similar hunting rounds like the 30-06, and the 308 both have around 1200 of energy (assuming energy even matters).

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    18. Yes! This is the discussion I've been waiting for.

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    19. A deer hunter typically wants to hit his target with about 1,000 ft-lbs of energy at the target destination. The .30-.30 Winchester only effectively has about a 200 yard range.

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    20. A .223 is only effective as a deer hunting rifle out to about 100 yards

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    21. @ "A .223 is only effective as a deer hunting rifle "

      Yup. and only for white tail. You need something bigger to hung Mulies.

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    22. @ FJ (?)
      I didn't have it quite right you were closer; the formula would actually be K.E.= 1/2*m*v²... with K.E. being kinetic energy... m being mass ... v being velocity.
      In this case the K. E. would be kinetic energy / force delivered at the end of the muzzle, Your formula is closer to centripetal force with an inclusion of /r (r being radius) at the end of your formula. Close enough for comparison in either case. The loss of K.E. downrange is the result of the sectional density (drag or air friction against the dia. and design of the bullet, i.e. , flat, round, boat tail, hollow point) and wouldn't be a factor in a vacuum. Bullet drop is strictly a function of time in flight and loss of velocity due to sectional density. After the bullet reaches the apex of its flight it falls at 32fps² (least ways it does on the surface of the earth) until it reaches terminal velocity. And the whole time the velocity if falling due to air friction.
      Yes, I used to reload several cartridges. .38 special, .357 mag, .45ACP, .303Enfield and others. I gave all my reloading stuff to my son several years ago.
      "(assuming energy even matters)", Imagine a ice pick resting with the point on your chest, then imagine a brick bat laying on top of the handle of the ice pick. Now pick up the brick bat and drop it from a couple of feet. ;)
      My favorite rifle is a old .303 Enfield. The nominal bullet weighs 220 to 180 grn and is .312" in dia. The ballistics are practically the same as a 30-06. It's a powerful hard hitting and accurate SOB. Many a deer, elk and moose has been taken with the Enfield. Unfortunately it's a dreaded "weapon of War".
      I used to be able to hit a 18" target at 400+ yards, almost every time with iron sights. Alas, my eyesight went to hell.

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    23. I always dreamed of a. 7mm Magnum for range and terminal energy on North American game... but I never got one. My .30-.30 got me my first deer. and wild pig... so call me sentimental, I stuck with it. I was never much of a shot, anyways... Took me 6 rounds to hit a running sow....

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    24. ps - I think that the other 1/2 of the ke is what you feel on your shoulder. Newton's law... equal and opposite reaction....

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    25. It get's spread over a larger area... and I always used a slip-on pad if firing more than 5 or 6 rounds. Call me a pussy if you want, but even my padded twelve gauge left bruises after 25 rounds of trap. :(

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    26. 7mm is a nice round. Two of my buddies have a 7 mm. Fast gun.

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    27. Yeah, that 7mm mag is pretty sweet.
      I think your correct on the ke but it would matter how the measurement was taken. Most times it's taken with a chronograph just past the muzzle and unattached to the gun and which is strictly limited to the actual relative velocity of the bullet and unable to measure the recoil. So as a practical matter, I leave off the 1/2.
      I've only owned 1 shotgun in my life and I only shot it one time without a thick rubber slip-on recoil pad. I traded it for a .22 and never looked back.
      In Indiana, you are strictly limited on where and what you can hunt with a high powered rifle, so my deer hunting was restricted to a shotgun with dear slugs or bow. I hunted mostly with a bow. I don't hunt anymore. I don't like the taste of game. Had to eat too much of it when I was a kid. Seems I'm the one that always got the piece with a tuft of hair wrapped around a piece of buck shot. ;)

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    28. I don't care about guns, but I do care about high-school physics. Warren's linked table of mussle energy doesn't have units, for which its publishers deserve to be shot. I guess it would be foot-pounds, even though using foot-pounds for energy threw me off: as a metric kid I've only heard of foot-pounds being used for torque.
      mass times velocity is momentum, and since force is rate of change of momentum, and the target impact is approximately instantaneous, it's a good measure of the force delivered by the bullet (allowing for losses due to drag, which are highly significant).
      Newton's third law, (equal and opposite reaction) applies to force, not energy. So the recoil force on your shoulder is equal to the mass of the bullet times its acceleration through the barrel, something like mv/t where v is the muzzle velocity and t is the time taken to reach the muzzle from pulling the trigger. It wouldn't be constant, but t is so short we can ignore that (I think we would care if we were making guns or ammo, so we'd put some thought into how evenly our powder burns etc.)
      Energy is conserved, but there's thermal and acoustic energy involved so I don't think you should expect to receive the full 1/2mv^2 kinetic energy at your shoulder. But if you fired your gun while standing on a skateboard, you should expect to roll backwards with the same momentum (mv) as the bullet exits the barrel with.

      When reasoning about ke, the 1/2 is not interesting so I tend to do the same as Warren. I'm usually asking something like "what happens if I double the velocity", in which case, the constant factors tend to cancel out.

      Bows are interesting, I went to a demonstration a few months ago and was fascinated by the compound bows which are designed to be comparatively low tension at full draw when you want to be precise about the aiming, and deliver most of its power after the string is released. I should like to have a proper look at one.

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    29. I was starting from Einstein's equation e=mc^2 with total initial energy from the explosion, not merely the kinetic component... so yes, I ignored the thermal and acoustic energy in positing 1/2 to ke and 1/2 to reaction. Unit's do matter, as bullet grains must be converted to pounds or kg and distances to feet or meters to label the energy amounts correctly. And yes, I tend to ignore most "constants" unless it's the "speed of light" (c^2). They're usually the engineer's "fudge factor" to get to direct measurements from theory.

      Depending upon bullet shape, the initial energy imparted bleeds off rather rapidly into diminishing velocity from wind resistance and acoustic shock waves (when still super sonic) rather quickly. Force/energy potato/potata. Force merely includes the "direction" 1/2-1/2 from the explosion being trapped in a directional (linear) barrel.

      ;P

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    30. I think it was Ross Perot who made his money applying IBM computer power into ballistics calculations for the USN's guns...

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    31. But if your an "anal" hunter, get one of these.

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    32. But if you're an old mostly un-practiced "sh*t for shooting" codger with a .30-.30, like me, you aren't going to be shooting at anything farther than 100 yards anyways, so don't bother. ;)

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    33. I use a recurve bow when hunting w/a 55 pound draw. Let's just say that I don't hold my draw for very long. The only thing I ever killed with my bow was a rat swimming in a toilet (Venezuela) although I used to shoot at rats running along a ledge on the 16 foot broken glass topped walls of our "quinta" in California Norte.

      -FJ

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    34. mc^2 is the energy released when a mass m is anihilated in a nuclear reaction: Not anything that's going on inside even the scariest assault rifle.
      The force/energy distinction is much bigger than that: force is not merely the vector version of energy. Consider a static weight dangling from a rope: the rope tension (force) might be very considerable, but there's no "work" being done / energy being used.

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    35. ...and why do hunters have so many weapons? Type of game and seasons. Archery season (deer), shotgun season (deer), crossbow/pistol season (deer/handicap), deer season (rifle).... the "rules" up the quantities if your committed to bringing home game... although deer season in California in the early 70's was summer (coastal) and fall/winter (inland). Pigs were year round. Bear usually overlapped inland deer, so if you got lucky and got a deer early in the season, you could hunt "bear" for the rest of it (and use a hunting partner's "tag" if you saw another deer). Deer was usually 2 points or better, although a few lucky people could win a lottery and get a doe tag in specific deer-overpopulated areas.

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    36. The mass of gun powder isn't anihlilated in a gun's chamber when fired? Who knew?

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    37. No "light" is generated (the c in c^2)? I won't need a scary looking "flash suppressor" for my AR-15 then.

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    38. But hey, call me superstitous... I think I'll keep the flash suppressor so that I don't get blinded when firing in low-light (dawn) conditions (best hunting time 1 hour before/after sunset when the game transitions from night-time feeding areas to bedding down areas).

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    39. ...a problem generally limited to carbine length barrels.

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    40. "The mass of gun powder isn't anihlilated in a gun's chamber when fired? Who knew?"

      Everyone who passed high-school chemistry knew. No/negligible mass is annihilated, but solid powder is chemically converted into the same mass of gasses / vapours. Those gasses are what generate the pressure which propels the bullet.

      "No "light" is generated (the c in c^2)?"
      Einstein's equation has nothing to do with light emitted by an excited electron falling to a lower energy state, which is what causes the chemical flash of gunpowder and the glow from your light bulbs. You aren't annihilating mass every time you switch the lights on or start a fire.

      Whereas practically all of the light emitted by the sun is due to the mass lost in the nuclear fusion of hydrogen into helium.

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    41. My bullet isn't travelling at the speed of light, either. Are the neutrons from a nuclear explosion?

      You're hung up on math symbols, jez. e-mc^2... F=mA... same equation. Same thing A= (v1^2 - v2^2)/2 only it's bi-directional hence the /2.

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    42. energy conversions yield photons, Jez. Electron orbit decays... gives up a photon. Light (mass-less)(anihilated mass converted to energy),

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    43. Yep, and you loose negligible mass when an electron orbit decays, yielding a photon.
      Aside from that, you couldn't be more wrong. You have confused mass-energy duality (e=mc^2) with kinetic energy (e=1/2mv^2) which is a pretty massive error, but even that isn't your biggest one: take it from someone who knows what the hell they're talking about, energy and force are substantially different concepts. You might as well insist that voltage and current are the same.
      Aren't you worried that your suggested formula for acceleration doesn't mention time at all? My acceleration from 0 - 60 is the same whether I take 10 seconds or 10 minutes over it?? pffft

      If you still think your gun is annihilating the gunpowder, consider investing in a sense of proportion... A standard rifle cartridge might use 165 grains or about 10g of powder, that would release .01 kg * (3e8)^2 = 1e-2 * 9e16 = 9e14 J (900 tera-Joules). That's enough to boil over 2.5 billion liters of water from standard room temperature. Compare that with how hot does your shoulder gets. How many kettles are you boiling with that? I suggest a lot fewer than a billion.

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    44. @ Jez,
      Yeah, the chart was in foot-pounds. It wasn't stated anywhere on the chart but I'm familiar with the numbers so I could tell at a glance. I can work with several different units of measurement but think in old English measurements and tend to convert on the fly. The chart was the one I found the quickest and would still give a relative comparison of power --as in, more or less powerful--. My point in the post was that a AR / M16 rifle isn't all that powerful and certainly isn't more powerful than most rifles.
      The claims and fabulism of a lot of these people are so outrageous that they enter the Twilight Zone. If they could get away with it, they would claim the AR shot antimatter bullets powered by a deuterium fusion reaction. --talk about barrel wear!-- ;)
      I did several experiments with my British Enfield rifle using hand assembly of cartridges, sorting, weighing and trimming of cases and bullets, depth of bullet in the cartridges, weighing each powder charge as close as possible... I found out that all those measurements increased the accuracy but only in elevation --vertically-- but made no discernible difference in windage --horizontally--. Without a chronograph, I couldn't actually measure the velocity but it was obviously the velocity difference that strung out the bullets up and down and the difference was dramatic.
      Conversions of measurements can be a real pain in the butt! Bullets and powder charges are measured in grains and 1 grain is 0.06479891 grams or 0.00228571429 ounces. --no, I don't keep those numbers on the top of my head ;)-- But you know how important it is to keep your measurement systems the same through your calculations and how far to round them down for meaningful data.
      Another thing is the smokeless propellant/powder that's used. There are more than 100 different smokeless powders available; each of them has its own burning rate and burning characteristics, and is suitable or ideal for particular loads in particular guns.
      The problem soon gets so time consuming and far out of hand that only the obsessive compulsive can keep their eyes open.
      I used to figure firing solutions for heavy artillery and Hercules missiles, the problems and variables were even worse. To me, the guns, ballistics and marksmanship are a interesting hobby.

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    45. yeah, typical of me to be only interested in the boring bit!
      I suppose if your bullet is slower, it'll not only drop more overall, but it ends up dropping faster too, which would naturally make it less consistent.

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    46. I wouldn't call it boring but figuring basic ballistics using Einsteinian nuclear physics isn't practical and the answers become a matter of separating the fly specks from the pepper. You soon become paralyzed using Quantum Physics to explain a problem in Boolean Algebra. In other words, using an infinite number of possibilities to obtain a yes/no answer.

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    47. Newton's good enough to sink ships. Einstein is misapplied above.

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    48. v1 and v2 represent velocity at t1 and t2. It's baked into the minus.

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    49. And Einstein's equation applies "universally". The only thing that doesn't currently fit within it is the quantuum scale... and let's just all remember that all those electrons helping you to count up your mass ain't sitting "still".

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    50. (((Thought Criminal)))June 14, 2022 at 2:22:00 PM CDT

      Nobody going into the weeds on the debate on if hydrostatic shock is the true measure of stopping power? It's not just the bullet hole and bleeding out, but also the shockwave from the impact travelling through the body with similar force and turning all the soft stuff like internal organs into pudding. Dead is dead. Something's it's the hole, sometimes it's the turning the innards into gravy....

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    51. (((Thought Criminal)))June 14, 2022 at 2:46:00 PM CDT

      I hunt deer with a bolt-action 1871/32 Mosin-Nagant that fires 7.39mm x 54mmR and it kicks so @#*! hard that it will bruise your shoulder deep purple if you plink with it all day. That round will penetrate an inch thick sheet of steel. Put kevlar armor on the deer, that buck is still done, son. Same rifle model Vasily Zaitsev became Russia's top sniper in WW2 with. Mine's from 1932 with a hex receiver, before the Soviets got desperate and started making them out of bullshit and pot metal. Out of all of my guns, that's the one I would least want to be shot with. Tiny entry wound, fist sized exit wound. Pretty sure by date of manufacture that my rifle has shot at and possibly killed actual Nazis. Very proud on my cheap historical treasure.

      And picking buckshot out of deer meat sucks. It doesn't leave much of a squirrel or rabbit to eat though ;)

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    52. Sh*t, now we're going to throw some Fluid Dynamics on top of the equations... ;)

      :P

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    53. (((Thought Criminal)))June 14, 2022 at 3:02:00 PM CDT

      Typo above... It's an 1891 Mosin-Nagant. The Russians fought World War One and Two with rifles that were invented and designed in the late 19th Century. The "grandfather" of Kalashnikovs.

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    54. (((Thought Criminal)))June 14, 2022 at 3:29:00 PM CDT

      Sh*t, now we're going to throw some Fluid Dynamics on top of the equations... ;)

      It's cruel to bleed out a pain-wracked suffering lifeform when you can shock them so hard with fluid dynamics that their brains and hearts just...stop. And it leaves food meat for the processor / taxidermist / coroner / mortician.

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    55. (((Thought Criminal)))June 14, 2022 at 3:31:00 PM CDT

      the average human body contains enough flesh to make 55 pounds of jerky

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    56. My Uncle Louie literally had a closet FULL of .303 Enfields. I never understood why, like the Mosin-Nagant, the stock ran the whole rifle length... any idea? Bayonet attachments?

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    57. @ Anon, FJ?
      The full length stock is called a "Mannlicher Stock". The real reason for it that it protects the barrel from damage,infantry use is very hard on equipment. Another is the the barrel gets extremely hot under sustained fire, hot enough to burn your hands, so it protects the barrel from abuse and your hands from the barrel.
      There were several models of the Enfield Rifle and different bayonets. I'm most familiar with the spike bayonet and the #4Mk1* rifle although I've heard the means of attachment were similar. If you look on the end of the barrel you should see a slightly protruding lug. The bayonet fits over the end of the barrel through the circular ring on the back end of the bayonet and through a slot cut in the ring then twists to lock it on. The spike bayonet has no handle.
      My rifle is "semi-sportsterised", which means the barrel has been shortened a couple of inches the lower stock has been shortened about a foot and there is no upper stock. I also did my own trigger job with some judicious filing and polishing eliminating trigger creep and cutting the pull by about half. I also polished the bolt group and bolt action is slick as snot!

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    58. Acceleration = (v2^2 - v1^2) / 2s
      The 's' (displacement, or "distance") is necessary to "bake" time into it. Without it (FJ's method), 0-60 in 10 seconds is the same acceleration as 0-60 in 10 minutes, ie wrong.

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    59. (((Thought Criminal)))June 15, 2022 at 4:57:00 PM CDT

      My Uncle Louie literally had a closet FULL of .303 Enfields. I never understood why, like the Mosin-Nagant, the stock ran the whole rifle length... any idea? Bayonet attachments?

      To add to what Warren stated, there are also practical melee applications. I can play baseball with my heavy M1891 Mosin-Nagant and not ever worry the stock or the gun will break. Same applies to playing baseball with an attacker's head in hand to hand combat.

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    60. (((Thought Criminal)))June 15, 2022 at 5:11:00 PM CDT

      My brother replaced all of the wood in an M1891 with polymer plastic to make a smaller, lighter "Mosin-Nagant." The weapon is now a lighter, almost tactical bolt-action... and the loss of weight makes it kick harder, when the recoil was already significant in the standard version lol.

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  5. Right on cue, the propagandists are barraging us with hysterical reports of "mass shootings" all over the US.

    Good reporting would sort these numbers by circumstance, criminal activity, etc

    How many of these shootings were perpetrated by people with no criminal background who suddenly decided to shoot people because a gun was available?

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    1. That number would be not too far north of zero.

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    2. SF,
      Right on cue, the propagandists are barraging us with hysterical reports of "mass shootings" all over the US.

      Agitprop.

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    3. The activists on both side of the Wall Street cabal won't be happy until they have a Pre-Crime system, and that system is only possible with mass surveillance and a vastly expanded Deep State Intelligence Community (IC).

      Cui bono?

      -FJ

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    4. All that's needed is a little algorithm work by DARPA for our AI-based Pre-Cog computers. The NSA surveillance database is already in place, and since the searches will be performed by algorithms and not people, no one's "privacy rights" will be compromised. e-r-r-r-p.

      -FJ

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    5. Wouldn't that achieve the stated end?

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    6. So why not put THAT to a vote?

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    7. ...cuz the issue isn't "guns". It's "control".

      You all Remember Ben Wittes, don't you? He was James Comey's good "Lawfare" friend. He is a good friend of the Intelligence Community (IC). Your "Deep State" protectors are on the job!

      -FJ

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  6. and the next day you are back demanding more "compromise."

    Warren's last line highlights a consistent point - the gun control camp eternally invokes the need for 'compromise' on infringement. Where though, is the compromise from their side?

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  7. It's perfectly okay to require background checks and a license to buy a gun, because we require a driver's test and a license to drive a car. The latter is true, but irrelevant. We don't require a background check and a license to BUY a car, only to drive it. You are only tested once, to drive the car, not each time you buy a new one.

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    1. I am fine with background checks, but not licensing. Citizens should not be required to ask permission to exercise a Constitutional Right.

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    2. I might not object to a proficiency gun owner test, as with driving a car. In fact the NRA at one time sponsored such tests. But background checks for driving a car, or buying one, are not required.

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  8. (((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 10:23:00 AM CDT

    To swing back to Topicville, as a fan of KelTec products, I highly recommend the KelTec PLR-16. It's a 5.56mm firing AR-15 variant in pistol form that will have the guys and gals at the range wanting to try your new toy ;)

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    1. I would expand on Warren's pointing out that AR stands for ArmaLite Rifle, not Assault Rifle or Automatic Rifle. The "feature" emphasized by "AR" is its' WEIGHT and "modularity" (that can increase/ decrease weight depending upon weapon configuration).

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    2. (((Thought Criminal)))June 13, 2022 at 6:51:00 PM CDT

      The PLR-16 is very light and the trigger is easy enough to pull rapidly to make it seem full auto, but as with all semi-autos you risk a jam if you get too crazy with it. Slap a 100-round drum mag on it and you can go to plink city.

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  9. yet all we hear is mischaracterizations about the AR-15...NOT concentrating on how we can save people by making more sensible laws but to BLAME THE GUNS and THE CRAZIES WHO DARE OWN THEM and FIT THE NARRATIVE OF "NO GUNS!" :-( Thanks, Warren...excellent information. xxx

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    1. Z,
      One of my students pointed out that the AR-15 is "a scary-looking rifle." Then he went on to show that it's not scary at all. This young man came from a long line of Dems, but went Independent.

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    2. You're Welcome Z.
      Here are a few of the plus sides to an AR.
      1. as FJ pointed out above. It's extremely light weight.
      2. has negligible recoil.
      3. there are a lot of aftermarket parts and accessories that will let you customize it to fit your stature and needs.
      4. ammo is abundant and relatively cheap allowing you to practice and become proficient.
      5. it's not a known over-penetrator which means, it's not likely to go through the walls of your house and into your neighbors house like a 9mm full metal jacket and 00 buckshot is notorious for.
      6. the pistol grip --illegal in California, I hear-- gives a steadier grip and makes for easier retention and more accurate shot placement.
      7. you can get many different barrel lengths, the shorter the barrel the easier and faster it is to handle in close environments.
      8. you can buy a collapsible stock making it a better fit for smaller people.
      9. it's easy to get parts for replacement which a moderately mechanically inclined person can replace.
      10. you can change to different calibers, including pistol calibers, down to .22LR by changing the upper and the magazine and only requires you to remove 2 pins which remove and install easily. --push them out, lift off the upper, replace the upper, push the pins back in and you're ready to go.--
      11. it's extremely easy to clean.

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    3. Warren highlights a salient point, lost on the Left. Everything he wrote illustrates a firearm that is safer to train on and operate.

      The 'gun safety' movement could not be reached for comment.

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  10. What Biden didn't mention in his statistic of "children" [and young adults] is that 2020 was a 29 percent increase over 2019. So the year of the lockdowns and riots (fed by lockdowns with people who had plenty of time for mischief) pushed gun deaths for the FIRST TIME way above the historic principal cause of death in children which is drowning.
    BAYSIDER

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  11. Excellent videos. God made man. Colonel Colt made him equal.

    As Frederic Douglas said, "A man’s rights rests in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box."
    BAYSIDER

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    1. Baysider,
      Frederic Douglas? We don't hear that quotation during Black History Month, do we?

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  12. Rifles, including 'assault weapons' were involved in 3% of firearm murders in 2020.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

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  13. It is tragic for the family - but was it drugs? My guess is drugs outpace death of our children 1,000:1 or more when compared to gun violence.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-rep-sean-castens-daughter-gwen-dies-17-rcna33416

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    1. From the CDC. Deaths by broad category, not specifics.

      https://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/lc-charts/leading_causes_of_death_by_age_group_2018_1100w850h.jpg

      https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/LeadingCauses.html

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    2. There are various reports stating gun deaths overtook car accidents in 2020 as the leading cause of deaths for children.

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    3. You can thank BLM for the 20%+ increased gun deaths since 2019 that lead to the "overtaking". Just leave AR-15's out of it.

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  14. I just do not for the life of me understand how did this get this far? Why?

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  15. I have a modest proposal for the Left. Prohibit .223 AR-15's. Make them illegal.

    But, only AR-15's....and not a damn thing else, and be done with gun control. Period.

    .300 Blackout is the new hotness anyway.....

    Maybe they'll realize their idiocy after signing off on that bill. They proffer legislation based on vague and generic terms without even understanding what they're talking about.

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    1. There is no reasoning with gun grabbers.

      They focus on "assault weapons" when murderers use them for less than 2% of all murders.

      They focus on school shootings, which are a blessedly small percentage (around 1/100 of 1%) of murders, and they focus on "mass shootings" which are also a small percentage.

      Further, the gun grabbing left can't tell us how many of those shootings were done by felons who were legally barred from possessing firearms.

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    2. Oh, I know. But I think they'd fall for it. They'd believe that they're finally ridding the country of those pesky "high-powered", "rapid-fire", "military style/grade", "scary black assault rifles" that "spray bullets" when fired from the hip.

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