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Friday, June 17, 2022

Get It Off Your Chest 6/17/22

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162 comments:

  1. Anthony Fauci wants us to spend more money on pharmaceutical companies developing nanotechnology to put in humans.
    Elon Musk is hooking up neural nets to monkeys that then play chess.
    Don't these guys ever go to the movies?

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    1. Speaking of Fauci and monkeys... the CDC is now pretending that monkey pox isn't running rampant throughout the gay community after two big Gay Pride "raves" in Spain and Belgium. They don't want to "stigmatize" anyone, so they've included the word "vagina" in the advisories but omitted the specific risks to GAY men... hmmmmmmm. Isn't THAT helpful.

      -FJ

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    2. Wouldn't want any truth...e-r-r-r-r..."misinformation" to leak out.

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    3. My favorite truth denying line in the advisory... "How can a person lower the chance of getting monkeypox at places like raves, parties, clubs, and festivals?"

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    4. ...but then there I go again, rabidly promoting stochastic terrorism"... and perhaps justifying the important work of Homeland's re-constituting "Disinformation Advisory Board". :(

      -FJ

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    5. Ed that is lucacris! Fauci is gone - he reminds me of the mad scientist. As to Musk, he has Aspergers so he is a little more or less touched by an angel compared to the rest of us folks so for me Musk gets a pass. He at least openly stated when asked if he believed in God that he believed in God and Jesus as the Son of God (paraphrased). So Musk should not even be in the same sentences with Fauci. Fauci is a crook, a liar, a cheat, and a mad scientist with evil, evil intent.

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    6. Remember boys & girls, the term stochastic terrorism only applies to Right-wing white supremacists and Trump supporters...

      -FJ

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    7. Just calling 'em as I see 'em. ;)

      -FJ

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  2. What is it about these Socialist, Progressive, Communist, Liberal- Democrats who seem to constantly be on the side of the criminals and not the victims and who refuse to prosecute these Illegally owned Gun Owners that commit these Gun -Related Crimes while they are CONSTANTLY trying to disarm Law-Abiding, Licensed Citizens?

    And WHY are so meny of these Democratic Politicians behind the Insane, District Attorneys, and Judges, that are Soft-on-crime Policies such as the New York’s, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and other Progressive Prosecutors in these idiotic Democratic Cities ? We FINALLY Got Rid of that Creep Andrew Cuomo and he was replaced with his Lieutenant Governor Kathy Hochul, who is “Almost” as bad as he was.

    And if that’s not enough, It is absolutely sickening that so many of our Colleges and Universities across the United States have become “INFESTED” with the Madness of these Liberal "Professors" who indoctrinate our Children’s welfare.

    I can remember when “Fighting Crime” was a good idea.
    Now “Smash and Grab” seem to be happening all over the country.
    In California they sit there and just watch and these Creeps walk right into stores with Big Black Plastic Bags and walk out with Television Sets, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!
    And Chicago Mayor Lightfoot is blaming the rise in ‘smash and grabs’ on the retailers. saying that the retailers “need to do a better job of protecting their merchandise.” That my friends is an example of the Liberal Mentality!
    How Stupid are the people of Chicago to keep on electing someone like that !

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    1. PC, not that I'd expect facts or reality to alter your rabbit hole kitchen table recital nonsense but up here in the real world, republican strategists are somewhat shifting away from your above rant due to the exposure of higher murder and crime rates in red states rather than blue.

      Aside from the fact that there are no Democratic policies or legislations "trying to disarm Law-Abiding, Licensed Citizens", there's also been a shift on young gun totters being groomed by you guys to take up arms and shoot up those they consider undesirables. Aren't those predominantly white Christians, Talibangelicals, proudly walking around with AKs strapped on?

      Aren't you the guys depending on "stand down but stand by" tactics (you know, those other "good people") while you shun the Capital police?

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    2. That's a pretty idiotic statement RJW

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    3. What's a "licensed Citizen"?

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    4. Conceal Carry licenses?

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    5. RJW "PC, not that I'd expect facts or reality to alter your rabbit hole kitchen table recital nonsense," look who is talking! You got a lot of nerve.

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    6. Layla, I was talking to Political Chick.

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    7. Conceal Carry licenses?

      Probably what he meant.....but that excludes Constitutional Carry.

      And sounds really dystopian.

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    8. CI, I was quoting Political Chick verbatim and don't know what she meant. I seriously question if she does either.

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    9. Yes you were RJW and you were condesending and rude. Shame on you. Be civil for a change.

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    10. "Yes you were RJW"

      Not only was I RJW but I still am now.

      I actually try to be the same RJW today as I was yesterday and will be tomorrow.

      So I don't know (or didn't know) if my comment to Political Chick was you, or, who you are today, or, who you were yesterday, or who you might decide to be tomorrow and quite frankly, I don't really give a flying rats ass.

      I've made considerable effort to avoid responding to you or whoever you choose to be at any given moment. While a bit off target, it reminds be of the adage of- "how can I miss you when you won't go away?".

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    11. RJW,
      While a bit off target, it reminds be of the adage of- "how can I miss you when you won't go away?".

      Well, you could go away.

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    12. We would lose the entertainment value.
      But for the same reason that I always invite Mormons and Witnesses in for coffee, it keeps them off the streets doing further damage to the gullible, perhaps he should remain.

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    13. Silverfiddle "political chick" is a spambot? Glad I never responed. LOL

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    14. Layla,

      Yup. And the fact that Ronald can't tell you apart from Political Chick shows that to him, all conservative women look the same. Why are leftist men such misogynist bigots?

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    15. SF, I assumed PC to be a bot but after seeing the comment remained while others were deleted, took it as fair game to clarify its "idiotic blather" as so many today believe every Alex Jones infowars or the My Pillow guy buffooneries they put out there..

      I equate their "idiotic blather" to rabbit hole kitchen table talk.

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    16. "Why are leftist men such misogynist bigots?"

      I was going to leave it alone but with such an "idiotic blather" and partisan hypocritical spin coming from the party of predominantly all white males who openly indorse a self admitted sexually assaulting vagina grabber, the pro-rape group, the pro-violence of women, and so on, some clarity is needed.

      I said I didn't know who PC was nor did I care and nor do I. I also don't know how it is that your take on PC being "idiotic blather" is met with acceptance whereas my "rabbit hole table talk" was met with "condesending and rude. Shame on you. Be civil for a change". And I have no idea what triggered that response.

      To be clear, my question of identities had nothing to do whatsoever with gender. It's just that in my honest opinion and with no insult intended, they both speak the same language.

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    17. RJW,
      In the future, be sure to address your comments to a particular commenter. Doing so will prevent many misunderstandings.

      my "rabbit hole table talk" was met with "condesending and rude. Shame on you. Be civil for a change". And I have no idea what triggered that response.

      Really? Your interpersonal skills need some work.

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    18. Noted AOW.

      I’ll try to remember that “idiotic babble” is less likely to trigger than “rabbit hole table talk”.

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  3. China Joey is the only person in these United States who’s totally unaware of how much of a Failure he actually is.. By the way he speaks when you can understand him he actually believes he’s doing a great job. . .he doesn’t seem to even comprehend just how ridiculous he sounds, or how disastrous his policies actually are. , He is as bad, or worse than any other American “President” that we have ever seen, or had.

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  4. "I've decided that I should be on the pardon list"
    --John Eastman, shortly after the Jan 6 normal Capital tour guide.

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    1. Yes, he likely realized that the Democrats would subsequently frame his advice to the president as "conspiratorial" once Pence backed down and attempt to punish all the advisors close to Trump, Giuliani included. Sounds like a pretty smart man. He sure had Democrats pegged as a mindlessly vindictive mob who punish anyone who does what they do all the time, contest electors.

      -FJ

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    2. I have no doubt Eastman is an extremely intelligent person but I think his motive differs from your obviously partisan wishful thinking. I'd say he's smart enough to realize he actually committed a crime.

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    3. A crime not unlike what the Democrats do after every single presidential election loss...

      -FJ

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    4. The only difference being how "weaponized" the Democrats have managed to make the American political process since Obama.

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    5. Pretty weak tea there ain't it?

      The closest you can get to a comparison would be the nail biter of 2000, which Gore ultimately accepted the court's ruling.

      Unlike Gore, the guy you still support lost biggly while grooming you for 4 years that if he lost it would be rigged.



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    6. RJW... most interesting to me was Eastman was asked if Gore had the same power to just change the Constitutional system in the House in 2000 after that contested election.

      He said no.

      He was also asked if Kamala Harris would have that same power in 2024.

      Again, he said no.

      That's a man who really believes in his principles. Enough to defend them even when others with whom you disagree, use them...

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    7. -FJ... conservatives for years have stood on the principle of "if you don't like the law, change the law."

      Once President Trump knew the idea to seat different electors for the 2020 elections was illegal, and the evidence right now, unless everyone who was in the room is lying, is overwhelming, any suggestion to do so was illegal. A crime.

      Against the law.

      You may not like the law, you may even disagree with the law, but that is the law. Legally, how do you get around that? MLK did not like the laws he was subjected to, he went to jail. Same for Susan McDougal. Same for Paul Manafort. And many others.

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    8. RJW... speaking of Eastman, let's remember that for some reason, he also felt a need to take the Fifth and refuse to answer over 100 questions from the House Committee.

      In light of Fmr President Trump's quote and apparently his beliefs regarding the Fifth... "“So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment. Like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

      Why would Eastman, if he is not guilty, take the Fifth?

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    9. Dave, having clerked for Thomas and his other credentials, I'm sure Eastman knows his way around the court room.

      If anything has become obvious, it's that Trump, Trumpism, and the evolving culture and entire network he's created, have absolutely no concern in the integrity of the legal system but rather how to BEAT the legal system. We've seen this repeatedly. That's who they are.

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    10. On this date, a Joint Session of the 44th Congress (1875–1877) met for the first time to count the electoral votes in the 1876 presidential election. Democrat Samuel Tilden had emerged from the close election leading Republican Rutherford B. Hayes of Ohio, just one vote shy of the 185 needed to win. However, returns from Louisiana, Florida, South Carolina, and Oregon remained in dispute. The southern tallies were particularly controversial. Both Tilden and Hayes electors submitted votes from these three states, each claiming victory in violent and confused elections. The Democratic controlled House and the Republican dominated Senate came to a compromise on how to resolve the problem by creating an Electoral Commission: a bipartisan committee of House Members, Senators, and Supreme Court Justices who would determine the final disposition of the yet-unassigned electoral votes. The February 1 Joint Session first put the commission to work, submitting the Florida returns for investigation before a large crowd in the gallery. “There was a great desire to witness a fair count,” reported the New York Times, “and curiosity was increased by the expectation that the new law would afford some new diversion to the formality of the counting.” Congress met in a Joint Session 15 times in the next month, until—acting on the decision of the commission—it awarded the disputed vote to Hayes, granting him the victory by one vote.

      Was Tilden charged with treason? Oh, wait... he was a Democrat. Of course not...

      -FJ

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    11. Multiple slates of electors are not "against the law." Seven states selected a slate of alternate electors for Trump in 2020, pending the outcome of court cases filed in those states.

      -FJ

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    12. Why was it so important for Democrats and Never-Trumpers to insist that there was no fraud proven in Court? Because it would call the slate of electors they sent into question, even if there had been insufficient time to properly litigate all the cases.

      -FJ

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    13. btw in 2016, 10 <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election">faithless electors</a> voted against who they were pledged to, and only 3 of those votes were invalidated. Were any charged with treason?

      -FJ

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    14. btw in 2016, 10 faithless electors voted against who they were pledged to, and only 3 of those votes were invalidated. Were any charged with treason?

      -FJ

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    15. The 2020 vote resulted in a contested election which the legal process failed to adequately resolve prior to the meeting of electors. To call Trump's action "illegal" when the legality was still in question, when "certification" was performed before the legal outcome determined, is the height of hypocrisy.

      -FJ

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    16. here are the laws regulating the appointment/certification/acceptance of electors.

      -FJ

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    17. Seven states selected a slate of alternate electors for Trump in 2020, pending the outcome of court cases filed in those states.

      Nope. Individuals from seven states declared themselves to be a slate of electors.

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    18. NV senate is Adam Laxalt, a guy who's convinced Trump won, says fraud happens Democratic cities and that Republican wins are always “legitimate.”


      Republican nominee for secretary of state is Jim Marchant, a far right wing extremist election denier who said he would not have certified Biden’s 2020 win.

      Republicans openly stating they will not seat a Democrat are winning primaries in state after state under a premise that if they win, they cheat-regardless of evidence. Simply being a Democrat disqualifies them because Democrats cheat.

      And some of these Trump cultist will win which means we'll see some refuse to certify a Democrat under any circumstance.

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    19. -FJ... I assume you know that the current Electoral Count Act was passed a a direct result of the Hayes-Tilden problems.

      And it pretty much solved our problems until 1960 when President Eisenhower called in VP Nixon to disregard it and essentially claim the presidency himself.

      Nixon, in perhaps his finest moment, stood in the well and denounced that idea as anathema to all that America believed in, affirming our history and tradition of an orderly and peaceful transition.

      So to recap... once the ECA was passed, in 1887, the law changed making what the Trump Admin was calling for, illegal.

      BTW... why the word treason? Did I bring it up?

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    20. And Arizona is still seeking to decertify its' slate.

      -FJ

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    21. @ Dave, The laws, as updated are presented in the link (above).

      -FJ

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    22. Ron, I live in Nevada and voted for Laxalt's grandfather Paul. He was a good man, an effective Senator and interestingly enough, was Reagan's emissary to the Philippines as the US pushed Ferdinand Marcos aside.

      Adam is no Paul, and Marchant has been a hack here for years. Doesn't mean they won't win, but their election would be a disaster for Nevada in the same way Chic Hecht was or Sharron Angle would've been had she defeated Harry Reid.

      Look, Sen Masto is no genius. I'd love someone else. But she's light years better than Laxalt.

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    23. Failure to make choice on prescribed day

      § 2. Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.


      -FJ

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    24. Nope. That's a group of Arizona citizens seeking to decertify the slate of electors.

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    25. -FJ... too bad no Constitutional scholars agree with you. And even according to Eastman, not a single SCOTUS judge would either.

      And sadly President Trump was advised of this, knew this and still pushed it.

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    26. A group that includes those who will certify 2024's... :)

      -FJ

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    27. Constitutional scholars like Barrack Obama? lol!

      Had Pence refused to certify, we'd actually have a litigated answer. :)

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    28. Dave, I'm optimist the Angle/McDonnell/Akins effect plays well but the thing is, with the # of far-right pro-Trumpism folks running, there will be wins.

      There's already concerns of a "network of sheriffs" and the possibility of them shutting down voting or confiscating machines. We just picked up 1 in Daviess County KY who has no challenger in Nov.

      And then there's some real nut jobs as county clerks and other positions that can really-and plan to-gum up the works. There was Kim Davis here in KY who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple. This defiance of the law will surely get worse.

      GA, PA, have election deniers openly saying they will not certify a Democrat. And by all appearances, we have anti-democracy judges at all levels to support that.

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    29. Since all national elections are apparently rigged, 2016, 2020, 2024......[no irrefutable evidence needed], every POTUS - Democrat or Republican - should be viewed as illegitimate.

      And I'm quite fine with that notion.

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    30. The Founders were wise to separate powers, but not-so-wise in divining that "party factions" might ultimately and successfully re-unite them within a "party" structure that would eventually include "civil servants" though..

      Marxists Always Said if They Can Infiltrate 1% of Society, They Can Control the Other 99%

      -FJ

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    31. Former Gen Michael Flynn didn't give them as much credit though...

      -FJ

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    32. I say we split the difference...

      The federal government employs about 2.2 million civilian workers—1.5 percent of the U.S. workforce—spread among more than 100 agencies in jobs that represent over 650 occupations.

      -FJ

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    33. Anon stated... "Constitutional scholars like Barrack Obama? lol!
      Had Pence refused to certify, we'd actually have a litigated answer. :)"


      Constitutional scholars like Justice Luttig, all of Trump's real lawyers, Giuliani and Powell excepted of course, and even Eastman, who proffered that SCOTUS might not even take up the case, punting it to Congress. He also said if SCOTUS did take it up, trump would lose 9-0.

      Maybe if there was some credible evidence of any fraud, ppl would have been more amenable to different slates, but in not one instance did the Kraken Krew offer up even a hint of real evidence. At least in the opinion of the more than 60 courts and judges, and even Rudy who said "we have no evidence".

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    36. @Dave - So we have Giuliani and Goldstein stating that there was no fraud, and that they had no evidence. We have Eastman stating that the scheme to overturn the election was illegal....and we have Sydney Powell stating: “No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact”.

      And these were the people on Trump's side.

      The sycophants can spin all they want. Case closed.

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    37. Case law (forgive the pun) trumps the legal theories of "legal scholars" and "legislators" every time.

      The evidence of voting fraud is everywhere. It is simply denied and ignored in favour of the 'oficialismo', the source of authority for all small minded non-thinkers.

      -FJ

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    38. ..... the 'oficialismo', the source of authority for all small minded non-thinkers.

      Yep. The election fraud charade began [the latest iteration anyway] while the Trump Administration was in power. Thus validating the statement above, for small minded non-thinkers, of course.

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    39. Where'd all the videos go? Why do you think they have been censored? Why wasn't the world so "pro-censorship" before Trump as it is today? The answers are apparent to all. Diegesis is both necessary and endemic to maintaining the hypernormalised hyperreal where all consent is manufactured.

      -FJ

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    40. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 3:13:00 PM CDT

      "Whatabout muh tu quoque fallacy?"

      I long for a time people claiming to be on the right had more substance than wet rice paper.

      It's intellectual monkey pox I guess. Got to let the people that want to lose elections purge themselves, nothing we can do.

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    41. "The evidence of voting fraud is everywhere."

      Reminds me of my childhood days on the farm.

      So was bullshit.

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    42. Read the AZ Audit Report, and not just Biden's "re-count" total.

      -FJ

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    43. The Ninja Turtles show or whoever they were was a joke from the start and ultimately came up empty.

      What the hell are you talking about?

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    44. The Federalist? The frigging Federalist?

      Why not "because Trump said"?

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    45. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 4:05:00 PM CDT

      Rudy Giuliani's video production editor is kinda hyper with the A-B camera switcher. Community college? Public access channel?

      This guy went to court to claim he wasn't alleging fraud. Why do you disbelief him?

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    46. Even WI wanted to given the un-Constitutionality of the ballot drop boxes.. but for some strange 2000 Mules related reason, there's no legal mechanism for rectifying un-Constitutional government mistakes. I'm SHOCKED!

      -FJ

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    47. Wisconsin’s top elections official testified last year that at least 528 drop boxes were used by more than 430 communities in the presidential election. The popularity of absentee voting exploded during the pandemic in 2020, with more than 40% of all voters casting mail ballots, a record high.

      Republicans who control the Wisconsin Legislature have also tried to enact laws limiting the use of absentee ballots, but Evers has vetoed them.


      -FJ

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    48. This guy went to court to claim he wasn't alleging fraud. Why do you disbelief him?

      Because in Court proving fraud requires a higher standard of proof. "Intent."

      -FJ

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    49. The crime as to who orchestrated the fraud would have had to have been "solved"... and there were only 2 months between the crime and the need to "certify" the election. There simply is not time in the schedule to "adjudicate" or "investigate".

      -FJ

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    50. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 4:33:00 PM CDT

      He didn't go to court to allege he needed time to find a reason to be there either.

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    51. Got to let the people that want to lose elections purge themselves, nothing we can do.

      Can't stop the great grift. There's good money in claiming election fraud. From Trump's fraud-ulent PAC to the for profit movie attempting to convince rubes that they found the smoking gun by noting tower pings....in urban areas.

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    52. ...and that makes him a criminal unworthy of a law license, eh, beamish?

      -FJ

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    53. You can't buy time with money, CI. How long did it take to debunk Trump Russia?

      -FJ

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    54. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 4:48:00 PM CDT

      "Sure your honor, it may look like a guy with less popularity than a broken public toilet resoundingly lost an election, but stop everything and give me time to prove the ghost of Hugo Chavez hacked voting machines from a bus terminal in China in case our polling on the popularity of broken public toilets is way off and Trump could win if you didn't count most of the votes. Please your honor. You need to seperate Trump's business failings and bankruptcies from the blasphemous idea that that might be a reflection of his management skills. Reality itself is on trial here, good sir!"

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    55. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 4:54:00 PM CDT

      Trump supporters want what no intelligent person can give them. To be taken seriously.

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    56. How long did it take to debunk Trump Russia?

      Do you want that count in months or indictments?

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    57. To be taken seriously.

      They'll need to go through cult deprogramming for that.

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    58. You can't buy time with money...

      Sure it does. The grift has kept the election fraud afloat amongst the mouth breathers for going on two years. Even more if anyone was dim-witted enough to still believe the rants about the 2016 election.

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    59. They'll need to go through cult deprogramming for that.

      I'm afraid you're right. Even my deceased grandfather who was John Birch Society paleoconconservative enough to make Pat Buchanan look like Timothy Leary on acid wouldn't have been this delusional.

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    60. Yes, the Dominion Voting System is the most secure system in the world, of course there's no evidence that the machine's vulnerabilities in 2020 were exploited, but much like Anthony Weiner's confiscated laptop, no one ever looked at them....

      ...because the election was over, and controversy is so messy.

      -FJ

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    61. ...and instead of fixing the problems, all anybody has to do is scream, "Sut up and CERTIFY!"

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    62. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 9:35:00 PM CDT

      I want an investigation into your barbecue grill, FJ. Sure, you might be storing charcoal and lighter fluid to grill a steak, BUT as we all know charcoal and lighter fluid in the wrong hands can lead to firebombs and really dubious vodka distillation. Now we all know you make clever posts online, which is prima facie evidence that you're furtive and wouldn't tell us you are a world vodka drinking serial arsonist. We're going to keep harassing you until you confess. Please, everyone, fund my laptop on a yacht efforts to get to the bottom of why there is no evidence that FJ is a serial arsonist.

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    63. ...and there's very few civil servant's in the country with the integrity to say "no" and risk losing their gravy-laden surplus tacpayer guaranteed salary jobs. :p

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    64. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 9:45:00 PM CDT

      Occam's Chainsaw - the most simple explanation that fits all the facts is that Trump is the most sore loser ever voted out of office and tried every slimy thing he could to reverse that fact.

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    65. True. But there is another razor that says those in power will often do ANYTHING to remain in power... and DJT isn't the first, nor will he be the last, to attempt to do so. So did Richard Daly rig Chicago's election system? Have the Democrats, who have controlled their districts for decades, rigged theirs? And why are they so upset when the voters begin to question the premise as to the fairness of our elections?

      -FJ

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    66. The "banality" of evil lies within its' systems (Hannah Arendt).

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    67. Long before the 2020 mail in Covid ballot fiasco, the system was, "show up on election day and cast your vote on a paper ballot".... and that "system" was meant to replicate the Roman system when the legions formed on the campus martius and then re-formed behind their "votes" leaders. All could then see the results for themselves. THAT simple (and now considered "unfair") system has been compromised by the "fairness" of being conducted over weeks and many forms, in-person/absentee, etc. It's time to go back to the campus martius, and a little so-called fairness exchanged for certainty in the will of the people.

      -FJ

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    68. Which leader would I line up behind? The one with all his battle scars on his front, and his rear largely unblemished. Shakespeare's Coriolanus comes to mind...

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    69. ...for Titus Andronicus, much like King Lear, was a fool.

      -FJ

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    70. Titus vs Coriolanus...

      One betrayed an Emperor, the other, by the Tribunes of the Plebians.

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    71. Titus' mistake? Surrendering his earned power to rule, to one less worthy of ruling.

      -FJ

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    72. Coriolanus' mistake? Hubris.

      Ringing any bells, people?

      -FJ

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    73. Fatally flawed people... the story of who's lives become tragedies

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    74. People have flaws. We usually forgive them, but only if they are Democrats. :(

      -FJ

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    75. The Democrats charge that the Jan 6 protestors presented a "clear and present danger" to the Republic... but what would the originators of the "clear and present danger standard" have thought of THAT charge?

      Brandeis kept the danger rule alive in a concurrence in whitney v. california (1927) in which he added to the immediacy requirement that the threatened evil be serious. The danger of minor property damage, for example, would not justify suppression of speech.

      ...and the danger of DJT Trump serving 4 more years after having already served 4? LOL! Now THAT's "serious".

      -FJ

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    76. It's why he can't be permitted to run again in 2024.

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    77. Ever read Tom Clancy's book "Clear and Present Danger". It was about a nuclear attack. Today all fears of a Clear and Present Danger revolve around a 2024 DJT presidency.

      -FJ

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    78. Were the speakers of these charges speaking of any other group or man, their speech would be labelled "hate speech" and censored from every tech media regulated platform in the land.

      -FJ

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    79. OMG Donald Trump could have won his election appeals and remained president from 2021-5. The horror!

      -FJ

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    80. In order to "save our Democracy" Democrats and Never-Trump Republicans are perfectly willing and have rejected valid Court cases and denied appeals for justice, forbid audits and recounts, censored evidence of election fraud, and now, persecute innocent Jan 6 protestors, holding them in jail w/o bail.

      Thank G_d for the "Saviours of Our Democracy"... who trample upon all its sacred values and violate every tenet of our Constitution to preserve their current power prerogatives.

      -FJ

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    81. They say that only religion permits men to justify the evil things that they do. Well apparently that applies to secular religions as well. We should have learned that lesson from the actions of the Nazi's and SS guards at Auschwitz. Now we know that OUR leaders are just as corrupted and corruptible, and will stop and nothing, justify ANY evil, violate any precept, just to preserve their positions within "their" Church.

      -FJ

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    82. Breaking the Rules is apparently only a problem in Congress if you're NOT a Democrat.

      -FJ

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  5. I'm returning to a previous theme...
    I saw this article recently in Axios.

    As we in the west grapple with the drought and the effects on the Colorado River system, consider this quote from one of the directors of the Southern Nevada Water Authority...

    "About 80% of the Colorado River is used for agriculture and '80% of that 80% is used for forage crops like alfalfa,' which is mostly grown for cattle..."

    No recommendations, just a statement. In effect, what we are learning is that the great majority of water taken out of the system is to flood irrigate crops used to feed cattle.

    Thoughts??

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    1. Did you watch South Park's "Streaming Wars" yet? Just like the "carbon credit" system, there's likely a "water credit" system developing which would make some former "alfalfa growers" extremely wealthy.

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    2. I did not see that. But at the end of the day we are left with this question... would will we give up to ensure our survival?

      Because out west, no water means no survival.

      And a lot of America eats from the table of California and the Pacific Southwest.

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    3. There's plenty of water out West. We just need to stop wasting it, and build in "smarter" locations than Las Vegas. Barring a new infusion of water, you've exceeded "max capacity" for supporting the expected 1st world luxuries of the day.

      -FJ

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    4. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 3:20:00 PM CDT

      Too bad desalination plants only work in other countries. It's a magical curse from the Necronomicon... That big Pacific Ocean out west and only Qatar can grow food from sea water....

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    5. Just pump it over the Sierra's or Rockies, eh, beamish?

      -FJ

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    6. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 3:57:00 PM CDT

      Nah, we need to do that with oil, remember? It's not safe to transport water by rail and truck :P

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    7. You shilling for the Teamsters again, beamish? ;)

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    8. Years ago, in the 70's, a country commissioner from Los Angeles floated, [pun intended] the idea of putting frozen water from the north pole in a gigantic bag and towing it behind a boat, like a barge, to So Cal to help out in a drought.

      Anyways, related to the desal plants, it's pretty expensive stuff, but if the alternative is nothing, maybe the cost ain't so bad.

      I think San Diego has one that is up and running. And producing lots of excess salt.

      BTW, I think that politician in LA was named James Hahn.

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    9. Dave, if you need some water, you can simply buy all you need in bottles and pay 1st world prices. The taxpayers are done subsidizing your water-wasteful life-style. :)

      -FJ

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    10. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 4:25:00 PM CDT

      As long as Trump isn't running the operation, Las Vegas casino and tourism industries should be able to ship water at a profit. They don't define tourism as vandalism and assaulting cops either, so there's that as well.

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    11. In Venezuela, as is common in many parts of South & Central America, we drank bottled water all the time.

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    12. The Casino's are robbing the aquafers. They don't use river water.

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    13. (((Thought Criminal)))June 17, 2022 at 5:19:00 PM CDT

      They're probably bringing in more money to Nevada than alfalfa farmers too. Which isn't saying much since Nevada is mostly federal government owned land.

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    14. -FJ, your comments on the water situation out west are at best, uninformed. The problem in the Colorado River system is not people living in the desert.

      It is Big Ag overusing that resource to cheaply feed America.

      The bill is coming due for the entire country.

      As water in the system continues to drop and Lake Powell and Mead become dead pools, we will see what is going to happen.

      Thankfully water managers here anticipated that reality and years ago installed a "third straw" at the lowest point of Mead, guaranteeing years of water for the Vegas Valley.

      So while agriculture, electricity and other areas will suffer, we should be good for at least another 25 years or so, long after I'll be gone.

      Bottom line... if we want to conserve water, fewer homes and fewer casinos won't make much of an impact. Cutting allocations to agriculture is where the future will lie.

      Impacting the entire nation.



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    15. So much for cheap Tegridy... :(

      -FJ

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  6. If only a pollster would dare to ask the question of Republican respondents: Would you have approved of the killings of Vice-President Mike Pence and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi it it meant President Trump would have remained in power?

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    1. Too bad we can't poll Seth Rich...

      -FJ

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  7. An outsider's view of Jan. 6 :P

    -FJ

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  8. Why do you CONSTANTLY allow the Republicans, and Trump Supporters to be attacked by these Lefties and disallow any reasonable response that is written by people who rightfully deny, and respond to them?

    My comments are ALWAYS legitimate And proven to be right, and yet YOU (whoever is in charge of this blog) always delete them!
    My thoughts maybe length reaction to respond to another accusing me of being a token Republican. Unfortunately, this isn’t the first time I’ve heard that type of slur. I spoken out because I am gravely concerned for our future if we ignore either type of so called “White”supremacy — both of which are rooted in racism or discrimination against us Republicans. .

    Criticism has included the suggestion that I and other Republicans just don’t come here to this CLOSED CONVERSATION of these “Elite” Progressives who constantly come here and spread their LIES, and Bull-CRAP. This bag of LIES, and Bull is what I call “WOKE SUPREMACY”. It is what the left’s intolerance does for dissent. It is the progressive conception of diversity that does not include diversity of thought. It is discrimination falsely marketed as truth!
    When you give people, and or groups the license for a person or group of people to discriminate, or to spread false information otherwise known as LIES , you give license for everyone to discriminate. Dividing society along racial lines, or political lines is everything leaders in the civil rights era fought against. But is seems to be alright, and accepted on blogs such as this one when you only allow comments form your "Special" posters....

    And frankly I am Sick of it, and you should be as well.
    Thank You for your time.

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    1. Did you see all the debate above? Nobody's comments were "disallowed."

      Stop whining and join in the debate, whoever you are.

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  9. AOW told RFJ maybe he should go away (paraphrased) to his telling me to maybe I should go away. I won't go away. However, I do note other than Warren, AOW, SF and sometimes Z I am rather irrelevant here. That is fine. If my opinions are not of relevance to others so what. Did anyone stop to consider that their opinions may not be relevant to me either? I doubt it.

    On the above note I come here because I have known AOW from my first blogging days years ago. She is an awesome person. I remember Warren from being on The Gathering Storm at Blog Talk radio several times as I used to listen. AOW is the most consistent blogger, 17 years and this site generates discussion. Posts are written here to illicit comments. Like those comments or not it is what it is. AOW has also made sure her blog is a safe place and I come because even if I receive no comments to my comments because people here find the comments and me irrelevant I know AOW reads them and respects the regardless if she agrees or not.

    Perhaps we all need to learn a less from AOW and her ability to show patience and tolerance when it is NOT DESERVED.

    END OF RANT!

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    1. Layla Elizabeth, WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS! NOT just YOU!

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    2. Exactly and we all have a right to them even if we disagree. Its all good!

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    3. "WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS! NOT just YOU."

      Just to be clear as I do not like discord so to clear up misunderstandings before they begin - I never said or thought I was the only one with an opinion. We all know we ALL have opinions. All is good. :)

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    4. Layla,
      I don't know if I'm an awesome person. But Warren, SF, and I do write posts here so as (1) to inform and (2) to generate discussion. In a discussion, not everyone agrees. No big deal -- or should be no big deal.

      people here find the comments and me irrelevant

      Not necessarily! This blog has such busy threads that it's hard to keep up. My hope is that people think about the comments even if they don't respond.

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    5. I tend to address areas of disagreement in my far too numerous posts, Elizabeth. Please, don't feel left out and please, don't go away.

      -FJ

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    6. Thanks AOW - I knew that but the affirmation is good for us all and FJ, I do not necessarily comment to you either in the threads here so do not feel left out. I comment if and when I have something to say I believe is relevant or counter relevant.

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  10. It might as well be Nancy Pelosi’s impeachment No. 3 for Donald Trump, This is the Democrats BIG PUSH to get Donald Trump off the 2024 ballot
    The January. 6 committee hearings that is tying up Washington for the next 6 months will not influence these voters but rather push them in the opposite direction. The people are getting Sick of Nancy and her evil ways to get whatever she wants. And now with these LUNATICS who are unlawfully parading up and down the homes of the Supreme Court Justices, they are more than just “Sick of it”, thay are Angry.

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  11. BREAKING: Walmart has just banned Mike Lindell’s MyPillow products from their shelves.
    To this day, they are still trying to destroy this man's life, only because he was/and still IS a supporter of Donald Trump. . I stand with Mike and hope you do too.
    Do not support these companies - buy direct at MyPillow.com and use code HOPE45 for a big discount!! Mike needs our support and he has a lot of new products. Do NOT fall for these Progressive’s dirty tactics.

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    1. I agree, why does the Left feel the need to crush all opposition? I know, it's the Greek way... "reward friends, punish enemies." Diversity of opinions is for chumps and losers. The customer is always right, unless he has a contrary "opinion" and buys something "else".

      -FJ

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    2. It's fascinating when the 'maga' wing of the GOP doesn't give a tinkers damn about free market decisions, when they don't agree with them. Support for capitalism evaporates, just like their professed support for law enforcement and the military.

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    3. -FJ... really? Walmart, the bastion of rural America represents the left? Maybe they are considering the bottom line? As CI pointed out, the GOP used to live and die on the hill of the "invisible hand of free markets."

      What has happened?

      Besides, as it related to Walmart, ppl can still buy from the pillow guy, they've just got to do it online.

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    4. The hand is no longer invisible (evidence the $9t the Federal Reserve is holding and not selling on capital markets).

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  12. Oh I believe in the Invisible hand of the free market all right. I'm a thoroughly petit bourgeois individual, but with the strongest possible emphasis on "petit" (small). I'm a RADICAL progressive, in the Trust Busting SCotUS Justice Louis Brandeis mold. The BIGGEST trust I'd bust is BIG GOVERNMENT and get rid of the KRONY CAPITALIST horsesh*t system that operates today. America has been "proletariatized". We need an OWNERSHIP society, not a renting salaried one. Trump owned the businesses he operated... he wasn't a salaried CEO.

    -FJ

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    1. I'm just not a Calvinist zealot like CI and beamish. ;P

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    2. (((Thought Criminal)))June 18, 2022 at 4:33:00 PM CDT

      Anti-rationalist is an eight syllable nice word for "stupid."

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    3. (((Thought Criminal)))June 18, 2022 at 4:34:00 PM CDT

      (yes it's seven syllables, that's the joke)

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  13. Protesting a fraudulent election is not an attempted coup, and CERTAINLY not an Insurrection!

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    1. How the hell are the Capitol Police going to crack down on Domestic Terrorism and federalize local PD's across the nation if there was no insurrection and there are no terrorists?

      We got $billions at stake, son.

      Now get on board the Biden Express. A tyrannical Hell is only a few stations up the line...

      -FJ

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  14. So, the United States of America who is the MOST Armed Country in the World, had a Insurrection with NOBODY being Armed?

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