ALL DAY LONG, We were Bomb-barded with BS from allover the Air Waves, about the SO-CALLED “ Insurrection “, and the Constant BS from the Delusional Administration, and their Looney Tune Supporters.
Insurrection , Insurrection, Insurrection! What insurrection? Who was charged with a insurrection? NOBODY! If nobody's been charged, how can there be an insurrection?
The Democrats were looting and burning and killing all summer long, for almost Two Years Let's talk about that!
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The Dictionary defines an “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence”
According to that definition, there wasn’t any “insurrection” at the Capitol on January 6th , according to the FBI’s reports
"I went to the insurrection, but I forgot to take any weapons."
This is why insurrections fail. Weapons are a vital ingredient. Also the "whiskey rebellion." Drunks succeed at very little.
My wife is still trying to get me to get the vaccine. She thinks that after having it and surviving without even a thought of going to the hospital, the next time I get it, "I won't be able to visit you in the hospital and I won't be there to make a decision about putting you on a ventilator."
To the above insurrection deniers, insurrection, by definition is an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.
The United States Code defines seditious conspiracy as two or more people conspiring to "overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States"; "oppose by force" the authority of the government; or prevent or delay the execution of any law of the United States.
The sole reason for the Trump supporting mob was to stop the process of seating a duly elected president.
Moving on to the latest and greatest talking point that most every right wing media outlet had holstered and chanted yesterday in unison- that it cannot be an insurrection because no one has been charged with treason or sedition, well, not so.
Seditious conspiracy and treason cases require testimony from two witnesses of the same "overt act" or a confession in open court.
Professor Michael Morlev put it: "Treason is the hardest crime to prove in a criminal trial, because the Constitution sets forth unique rules of evidence. Other crimes can be proven through circumstantial evidence, without multiple corroborating witnesses, and based on out-of-court confessions."
Simply put, the Justice Department decided not to bring those charges because the already had them nailed with easier charges. It doesn't mean the could not have nor does it disqualify the argument that the Trump supporting mob did not commit an act of insurrection.
The Justice Department is weak. Insurrection, treason, and sedition charges and their attendant death penalties should be flowing out of the FBI like a firehose. Its disgusting enough that they buried Ashli Babbitt on American soil.
Ronald, as much as I don't respect the useful idiots of a certain charlatan, calling the event of 6 January an 'insurrection' is not only not technically correct, it's not helpful.
The violent assault against both the Capitol and the law enforcement officers assigned therein makes the case for investigation and indictments.....it doesn't need overblown hyperbole. I know that's become the new normal....but it cheapens the argument.
The mob wasn't trying to overthrow the government, they were trying to obstruct a legitimate government function, based of course on lies.
They should, and are, being charged in accordance with their actions. But they're not being charged with insurrection....for the reasons stated above.
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. - 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Maybe Merrick Garland is saving this one for politicians and media figures.
Wouldn't "trying to obstruct a legitimate government function" fall under the rebellion language of the insurrection law though? Doesn't seem all that clear that it wouldn't appply to 1/6.
I'm no lawyer, but isn't those where you run in to the problem? Aren't school board meetings 'legitimate government functions'?
And isn't an 'insurrection' generally understood as an attempt to 'overthrow' a legitimate government in order to replace it with something else.
Say what you will about those who attacked the Capitol, but had they gained entry to the Chambers and even seized control of the Members inside....they would had zero idea of what to do next.....other than take more selfies.
I think the nature of what government function was attacked - the process of certifying election results for the peaceful transfer of power - is what make it rebellion / insurrection. Rebellions and insurrections are not required to have been successful in their goals to qualify as rebellions and insurrections. What was the goal (mens rea / intent) and the target (the process of certifying the legitimate peaceful transfer of power and the Congressional ability to carry that out)
Had they been successful, I mean fully successful in their intentions, preventing a legitimately elected Joe Biden from becoming President, theoretically we'd have an unelected Donald Trump still in the White House and quite possibly elements of the military trying to maintain that illegitimate standing.
I think we're going to find, as the conspirators continue to eat each other, that the 1/6 attacks are not a self-contained incident but rather a piece of an overarching coup attempt.
Could you imagine if Congress had been shut down, maybe even burned to the ground, senior political figures slain, all in the environment of Trump claiming election fraud and whipping his Cesar Sayocs into further delusion? We might all be on our rooftops plinking strangers in our neighborhoods by now.
If the ultimate intent of the 1/6 attacks were to keep Donald Trump in power, yes, it damned well was an insurrection.
So, was it a mob of unwitting dupes? Or were there people there with the intent of causing real damage, kidnapping and/or murdering government officials?
Its an important question. If they were dupes, then they are not "insurrectionists" in any sense of the word.
If there were people there with specific intent, they did a horrible job (thank God).
Donald Trump did a horrible, irresponsible and corrosive thing by stirring people up and continuing to roar that the election was stolen. The people who did damage and violence at the Capitol are criminals and I hope they are all prosecuted.
Using hyperbolic language to characterize it further that what it was trivializes it and weakens the position of those using such operatic rhetoric.
So, was it a mob of unwitting dupes? Or were there people there with the intent of causing real damage, kidnapping and/or murdering government officials?
Depends on if you believe it's okay to enter a federal building if someone else beat the shit out of the security blocking the entrances or broke a window for you gain access, doesn't it?
There is video of outnumbered Capitol police trying to peacefully control a growing crowd of people that made their way into the building, all the while asking them to leave and trying to prevent them further access into the building, but there is no police officers welcoming people to enter the building much less to ransack offices and hunt for politicians to capture and kill.
In reconstructing this terrorist attack from video sources, context and timestamps matter. Trump and other enemies of the people hadn't incited their Cesar Sayocs to attack yet. There was never a point in this terrorist attack where the Capitol police did not try to impede access to Congressional offices of the legislative chambers. It was a series of holding actions and defensive fallbacks to delay the crowd from reaching government officials until they could be evacuated to safety, and until the point shoot to kill prizes were handed out to derps like Ashli Babbitt. It's already come out that US Special Forces operators were deployed to take back the Capitol. Unfortunately, the order never went out to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of dumbass Trump supporters. Maybe next time.
@ RJW There's only one person with the power to charge Americans with the crime of "Insurrection" relating to 1/6. His name is Merrick Garland. It has been a year and since he hasn't done so, I'm going to assume he can't make the charge stick. However, you may call it anything you wish, for instance floppery with intent to commit moppery.
TC: In a narrow sense, I guess it does meet the definition. You could make a case they engaged in "the unlawful use of violence and intimidationin the pursuit of political aims."
Having said the comically named terrorist organization ELF has done way more damage.
If the charge of "insurrection" was even remotely "legitimate", it would be made. But January 6 calls into question the entire government, including Merrick Garland's, very "legitimacy". And it's inability to stop the Jan 6 protestors from seizing the capitol, to apply legitimate FORCE, was proven largely "absent."
Well Warren, calling it anything one wishes has been the mantra of the right wing media and GOP legislators from the beginning.
One day it was Antifa and Soros funded bus loads of leftist disguised as Trump supporters. Another day it was patriotic Trump supporters being picked on by the Capitol Police. The next day it was an FBI scheme. Next it was a normal tourist day. It's been a pick and choose from one day to the next contingent on the situation, like choosing a golf club.
And in the meantime, the very people spewing incoherent nonsense from one day to the next were and are the very same people using every tool in the box to prevent the American people of learning what exactly happened and why.
The entire ordeal goes back to The Big Lie that not only these indoctrinated fools believed, but The Big Lie that the right wing media and GOP legislators continue to sell and use as an excuse to disenfranchise Democratic voters and manipulate our voting process.
America's faith in the integrity of the election system remains shaken by the events of Jan. 6, with only 20% of the public saying it's very confident about the system, a new ABC/Ipsos poll finds. This is a significant drop from 37% in an ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted in the days after the insurrection last year.
But ahead of that vote, nearly 60% of all Americans said they lacked confidence in the honesty of U.S. elections, according to a Gallup poll from earlier that year.
One year later, two-thirds of all Americans believe U.S. democracy is threatened, according to a CBS News poll. That crisis of trust is bigger than just one party — both Republican and Democratic voters have expressed doubt in the system.
America is living in the hyper-reality of media sustained narrative. Jan 6, for a single day, demonstrated the illegitimacy of that narrative. Soon, the COVID narrative too will fall.
There has been a seemingly coordinated campaign to discredit the institutions of government and the confidence of the electorate, for the past few years.
Whether wittingly or not, this has occurred with the connivance of elected representatives and bureaucrats alike.
There are a couple of nations that put far more importance on Information Operations than we do......
Want to know why the left is pushing thar Phony INSURRECTION so hard? Because the mid term elections are less than s year away and It appears that they think Trump would definitely win in 2024 so they want to have the 14th amendment trick so that would prevent him from holding office again. And their most likely right, HE WOULD WIN AGAIN.
Of course and knowing that Trump really won the 2020 election the Democrats want to do anything they can to undermine him to prevent him from kicking their lying, cheating, asses again.
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“INSURRECTION”. I don’t think so! But I would certainly agree that it was a protest that went too far, and got way out of hand… Thats what I would call it. Only the cry-baby progressive sheeple would call it an insurrection. Or the Socialist bunch who get their orders from George Soros.
I am amazed, although I shouldn’t be, at how so many people can be so utterly stupid and gullible not to realize how they are being manipulated by the mainstream media. They see a boy smiling at a Native American asshole beating a drum in his face and they want to ruin the poor kid because that is what their masters have told them. But they are paying dearly for that one! They see a man in a dress and thinks that makes him qualified for for one of the highest positions in the land because their masters have told them. They see flames engulfing the businesses, and homes of innocent people across America and claim that is peaceful because their Racist masters have told them.
How about Mayor Eric Adams tripling his brothers pay by giving him a position for which he is not qualified? From parking manager at a university (that is a tough job!) to the top of the bureaucracy in NY City.
How about ex-gov Cuomo not being prosecuted despite the judge saying the witness was credible but it would be hard to prove? Just lazy if you ask me and I would not doubt it is another NY judge that the Cuomo's paid off.
Well Elizabeth, the judicial system makes those judgements everyday. As many in law enforcement and the legal community say, "it's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
In a world of limited funds, why should a DA pursue a case he/she can't win simply to appease the public desire for retribution?
In this case, the guy has been shamed, the Cuomo name is toxic, he resigned in disgrace and even his brother got caught up in it. A guilty verdict, on one count might bring what? A suspended sentence? Years of appeals?
Sure, we'd all like to see a trial.
But what purpose would it serve? Especially if it is so hard to prove as to make the case unwinnable?
Reasonable doubt. From every juror. That's a heavy lift in the best circumstances.
Joe, I don;'t believe I posited a preference for how I would spend funds. But given the choice, yes, I'd agree with CI... if a cop is dirty and/or kills someone, to maintain trust in the system, there must be consequences.
So yes, Derrick Chauvin should have been tried.
I do find it amazing that people who decry the death of Ashli Babbitt and call it a cold blooded killing without reason, somehow call the prosecution of Chauvin unwarranted.
For weeks and months, we heard all George Floyd had to do was quietly obey the law and he wouldn't be dead. Why is that not the standard now with Babbitt?
I mean really... I get maybe she thought she was on a tour of the Capitol, but perhaps crawling through a broken window of a barricaded door should have been a clue that she was not welcome or permitted to enter.
...but Tony Cuomo isn't someone who needs prosecuting in order to "maintain trust in the system"? Only police officers and politicians with (R)'s like Trump need prosecuting?
Democrats have NO credibility. They don't even prosecute their own ANTIFA insurrectionists.
Seems to me that Democrat politicians have a credibility problem when it comes to abuse of office and sexual harassment (ever since Clinton). When are you going to stop avoiding addressing it?
In context, Ashli Babbitt had to pass through the scenes of Capitol police being overwhelmed by an assault with bike racks and flag poles and fire extinguishers and riot shields and bear pepper spray other improvised weapons to get to the point she reached the barricaded doors of the House lobby where she waited for a window to be smashed out before she tried to climb through it. It absolutely disgusts me that her body wasn't dumped in the ocean next to Osama bin Laden.
Sure, if you understood the definition of negative liberty. Blame me all you want....as long as it makes you feel better. Because...that's really whats important, right?
I have watched video of her shooting many times with popcorn. Studied it. Run it backward and forward to see the blood splash out of her then leap back into her in reverse. Thoroughly observed.
Even better, thank you! So now, you should never shoot an intruder in your home....because you don't know if they're armed, or what their intent is. You certainly can't violate their 'Constitutional Rights'.....
Vladimir Putin hallucinates that Czar Nicholas got a note from Epstein's Mom that says NATO can't expand westward. Screw that Down's Syndrome looking Mongoloid.
...and a private home is not a public space. In a public space, you'd damn well better know the person you shoot's "intent". Lest all those "racially motivated" cop shootings you so complain about become "off limits" to prosecution, let alone "public review".
ps -the name of the officer involved is only known because of right wing press, followed by the officer's public confession. It was never officially released by the "secret keepers."
Clearly Chauvin wanted to show the weaknesses of a left-wing city. If he tried that shit in a conservative town he'd have had more than cellphone cameras pointed at him.
I don't know what was in Chauvin's heart or mind...do you? I do know that George Floyd was restrained and outnumbered. Not the case with Babbitt.
Babbitt was also part of a mob who assaulted law enforcement officers and attempted to breach the last line of defense before the House chambers. Perhaps they should have been allowed in, as "tourists"?
You don't know Chauvin's motives? What about the other officers who aided and abetted? They're also being charged with federal "civil rights violations". Rights that apparently Ashli Babbitt, in the name of "national security" (*wink-wink*), never had...
ps - The House Chambers have a "last line of defense"? Who knew? I hope it's well marked, cuz I'd hate to inadvertently "cross it". I know that there are usually "Use of Deadly Force Authorized" signs where those kind of things exist... I did not know that the House Chamber (as opposed to the Senate Chamber) was one.
Ashli Babbitt received more police warnings to stop than most people shot by police. She should have been shot on the Capitol steps outside when the first skirmish line was broken.
Yes, citizens deserve what they get. After all, the constitution is merely a piece of paper to be ignored once the grown-ups have decided what's best for them.
It's good to know where you stand on being attacked. Would you just rhetorically grovel ala Ted Cruz, or would you actually prostrate yourself....this being the "right" kind of attacking mob of course....
Also good to know that non-firearm implements, such as pipes, flagpoles, fire extinguishers, pepper spray, stun guns, baseball bats can't possibly injure or kill anyone.
Guess if you were to find yourself faced against an attacker [or multiple attackers], you're just going to 'take one for the team'.
Don't want to jeopardize their 'Constitutional Rights' after all.....been nice knowing ya.
A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says. Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says.
Nothing says "You have Constitutional Rights" like a whiff of grapeshot.
I would have dispersed the unlawful assembly around the Capitol with a few passes from an A10 Warthog and 30mm autocannons, but nobody has my flair for entertainment.
"I'll support using limited funds to convict murdering cops, all day long"...unless it's a Trump supporter being killed after they cross my last line of defense.
What part of attacking police officers to enter a restricted area is cover d by the 1st Amendment right to peacefully assemble?
My only criticism of the Capitol police is that Trump's army of Cesar Sayocs didn't have to wade through the bodies of their dead fellow morons to even get into the building.
I honestly don't see why the military couldn't have surrounded the Capitol building to make sure all of the protesters got a bullet in the head. Do we need more defense funding?
And all of the sudden Trump supporters drop their masturbatory "we're going to have a civil war" fantasies and start calling for calm, making the dead enders easier to identify and shoot.
I honestly don't see why the military couldn't have surrounded the Capitol building....
C'mon...you know that employing your law enforcement or armed forces against your own pseudo-militia....goes against everything in the Banana Republic Handbook.
Just remember, keeping Trump from the Presidency in 2024 if he's not too chicken to run will get these pussy Trump supporters off the bench for a civil war. Call 'em out.
With all the money wasted on trying to find mythical voter fraud, after the 2016 and 2020 elections....what's a few more shekels from the faceless masses?
The forensic audit was commissioned by the Arizona State Senate at a cost of $5.7 million. Most of the expense was paid for by private donations from people who believe the election was stolen.
Five groups were responsible for providing more than $5.7 million, a spokesman for audit team leader Doug Logan announced on Thursday. The America Project, a nonprofit group started by former Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne, contributed more than half of the funding, putting in more than $3.2 million.
America’s Future, a nonprofit chaired by former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, contributed nearly $1 million. Another $605,000 came from Voices and Votes, a nonprofit founded by Christina Bobb of the pro-Trump media outlet One America News Network. OAN broadcast the livestream of the audit at Veterans Memorial Coliseum, and the audit team provided Bobb with special access to the audit, where she frequently made fundraising appeals during her broadcasts.
Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell’s nonprofit Defending the Republic provided $550,000, while the another nonprofit called Election Integrity Funds for the American Republic and its pro-Trump legal fund Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic contributed another $280,000.
That funding was separate from the $150,000 that the Arizona Senate paid to Logan’s firm, Cyber Ninjas. Senate President Karen Fann agreed beforehand with Logan that the audit would raise outside funds to augment the Senate’s contract.
-FJ... you frequently posit a like example to excuse wrong behavior when you favor it.
Can't both the summer riots and damage to federal buildings be wrong and merit punishment?
Simply claiming one is not a problem, because you don't like the punishment for a prior bad act, is absolving the guilty of their lawlessness.
140 officers were hurt and/or required hospitalization as a result of injuries received in the insurrection/riot/tourist visits of 1/6.
More than 2000 officers were hurt in the G Floyd protests.
Why are conservatives so much more outraged by the G Floyd reality, claiming a need to stand with police, but seemingly excusing the police lives hurt and damaged during 1/6?
Indeed, Dave. In the exquisitely hilarious video in which we see the skank Ashli Babbitt take a bullet to the chest, if you listen closely before that glorious pesticidal discharge goes off, you'll hear the Trumptards complaining to the police they are shoving around that they "backed them" thus their criminal behavior should get a pass. No doubt they did support them with desecrated American flags colored black and blue and not much else.
To answer your question, they never gave a shit about cops.
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The Christmas tree will stay up for a while longer because both Warren and I are a bit sick. He started on Tuesday afternoon, I on Wednesday afternoon. Our mild, nuisance symptoms match those of Omicron. Warren seems better today (Sunday), so perhaps I will get better tomorrow (Monday).
I was under the weather so much yesterday that I didn't get downstairs to give Amber and Minxy their evening meal. ☹️
The dogs know that we are sick. They're been on their best behavior since Wednesday.
The White House said Tuesday it will provide $308 million in new humanitarian aid for Afghanistan, as the country teeters toward a full-scale humanitarian crisis and economic collapse under the Taliban. In addition, the U.S. will send 1 million additional COVID-19 tests to the country, which has been in a tailspin since the Taliban government took over following the U.S. military withdrawal in August. The new assistance will come from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and flow through independent humanitarian organizations,
Of all the Hoaxes, Lies, Slanted, Stories and Purposely Omitted news, in the media’s coverage of the Anti Trumpers, the Never Trumper’s in the Congress, and even in the White House like Biden, and Kamale, , but especially in the Media such as CNN’s, Don Lemon, Jim Acosta, and the “ALL TIME LIAR” Rachel Maddow all came out AGAINST the Covington Kids, but BACKED Jussie Smollett, the Wuhan lab, and especially the Hunter Biden’s Laptop story 100 percent, But nothing beats the propaganda these Progressive Nuts peddled about Kyle Rittenhouse.
They tried their very to make the Rittenhouse case about RACE, even Bidumb openly called Rittenhouse a “ White Supremacist’with out any reason, trying to Put-Down the white working-class Son of a white single mother because they don’t see him as a person of any good at all, but a truble-maker. They lie about him only because they can. For the President and the Vice President to take sides begfor the Trial even began is tottaly against what we Americans stand for. What happened to Innocent until proven the be Guilty? But, low and behold, a huge victory for justice was was done when the jury ruled Kyle Rittenhouse was Not Guilty on All Counts for his role in defending Kenosha from the BLM riots in August 2020. This ruling was no doubt part of the backlash of a nation tired of anarchy, chaos, double standards, hypocrisy and who realized the obvious: It could have been in MY neighborhood! A young man stepped up to defend his community, and defended himself against criminals. Even through the propaganda about him being branded a white supremacist vigilante, common sense and reason prevailed! Way to go Kyle
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ALL DAY LONG, We were Bomb-barded with BS from allover the Air Waves, about the SO-CALLED “ Insurrection “, and the Constant BS from the Delusional Administration, and their Looney Tune Supporters.
ReplyDeleteInsurrection , Insurrection, Insurrection! What insurrection? Who was charged with a insurrection? NOBODY! If nobody's been charged, how can there be an insurrection?
The Democrats were looting and burning and killing all summer long, for almost Two Years
Let's talk about that!
Let's see if Frankie returns to engage in dialog...
DeleteWhy do you say that? Do you think that Im AFRAID to have a “Dialog” wo You?
DeleteDo you have a blog?
DeleteNo, I don’t, I’m one of the millions of people who uses Blogger to share my views, and my opinions, and comments on current affairs, also to teach the world how to make good sushi, and Potato Knishes.
DeleteAlso I was a very good friend, and admirer of The Dalai Lama.
DeleteAre you that German Olympic athlete guy Brad Pitt played on tv?
DeleteThat Fruit Cake Kamala Harris Equated Jan 6th with Pearl Harbor and September 11th. Let’s talk about that!
ReplyDeleteKamala is a nut job. Sorry excuse for a woman and human being.
DeleteThe Dictionary defines an “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence”
DeleteAccording to that definition, there wasn’t any “insurrection” at the Capitol on January 6th , according to the FBI’s reports
"I went to the insurrection, but I forgot to take any weapons."
ReplyDeleteThis is why insurrections fail. Weapons are a vital ingredient. Also the "whiskey rebellion." Drunks succeed at very little.
My wife is still trying to get me to get the vaccine. She thinks that after having it and surviving without even a thought of going to the hospital, the next time I get it, "I won't be able to visit you in the hospital and I won't be there to make a decision about putting you on a ventilator."
Someone has a bad Cesar Sayoc Day.
ReplyDeleteTo the above insurrection deniers, insurrection, by definition is an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.
ReplyDeleteThe United States Code defines seditious conspiracy as two or more people conspiring to "overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States"; "oppose by force" the authority of the government; or prevent or delay the execution of any law of the United States.
The sole reason for the Trump supporting mob was to stop the process of seating a duly elected president.
Moving on to the latest and greatest talking point that most every right wing media outlet had holstered and chanted yesterday in unison- that it cannot be an insurrection because no one has been charged with treason or sedition, well, not so.
Seditious conspiracy and treason cases require testimony from two witnesses of the same "overt act" or a confession in open court.
Professor Michael Morlev put it: "Treason is the hardest crime to prove in a criminal trial, because the Constitution sets forth unique rules of evidence. Other crimes can be proven through circumstantial evidence, without multiple corroborating witnesses, and based on out-of-court confessions."
Simply put, the Justice Department decided not to bring those charges because the already had them nailed with easier charges. It doesn't mean the could not have nor does it disqualify the argument that the Trump supporting mob did not commit an act of insurrection.
RJW,
DeleteThe Justice Department is weak. Insurrection, treason, and sedition charges and their attendant death penalties should be flowing out of the FBI like a firehose. Its disgusting enough that they buried Ashli Babbitt on American soil.
Ronald, as much as I don't respect the useful idiots of a certain charlatan, calling the event of 6 January an 'insurrection' is not only not technically correct, it's not helpful.
DeleteThe violent assault against both the Capitol and the law enforcement officers assigned therein makes the case for investigation and indictments.....it doesn't need overblown hyperbole. I know that's become the new normal....but it cheapens the argument.
The mob wasn't trying to overthrow the government, they were trying to obstruct a legitimate government function, based of course on lies.
They should, and are, being charged in accordance with their actions. But they're not being charged with insurrection....for the reasons stated above.
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. - 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
DeleteMaybe Merrick Garland is saving this one for politicians and media figures.
CI:. Well stated. I agree with every word.
DeleteWouldn't "trying to obstruct a legitimate government function" fall under the rebellion language of the insurrection law though? Doesn't seem all that clear that it wouldn't appply to 1/6.
DeleteTC - I suppose if you stretched the plausibility enough....but then disrupting school board meetings would be insurrections.
DeleteI think you'd be hard pressed to find a way to equate a school board meeting with the authority of the United States and laws thereof...
Delete...so, it seems to me "insurrection" is precisely what the 1/6 attacks were.
DeleteI'm no lawyer, but isn't those where you run in to the problem? Aren't school board meetings 'legitimate government functions'?
DeleteAnd isn't an 'insurrection' generally understood as an attempt to 'overthrow' a legitimate government in order to replace it with something else.
Say what you will about those who attacked the Capitol, but had they gained entry to the Chambers and even seized control of the Members inside....they would had zero idea of what to do next.....other than take more selfies.
It was a tantrum, but not an insurrection.
Even more irritating is when journalists or commentators keep stating that "5 people died during the attack!!!!!"
DeleteThe event was embarrassing enough without resorting to provable lies....but I guess it's the currency of the political landscape....
I think the nature of what government function was attacked - the process of certifying election results for the peaceful transfer of power - is what make it rebellion / insurrection. Rebellions and insurrections are not required to have been successful in their goals to qualify as rebellions and insurrections. What was the goal (mens rea / intent) and the target (the process of certifying the legitimate peaceful transfer of power and the Congressional ability to carry that out)
DeleteYes sir, this was insurrection.
I wasn't referring to success, but intent.
DeleteIMO, this falls under 18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
But again, I'm no lawyer.
Had they been successful, I mean fully successful in their intentions, preventing a legitimately elected Joe Biden from becoming President, theoretically we'd have an unelected Donald Trump still in the White House and quite possibly elements of the military trying to maintain that illegitimate standing.
DeleteI think we're going to find, as the conspirators continue to eat each other, that the 1/6 attacks are not a self-contained incident but rather a piece of an overarching coup attempt.
Could you imagine if Congress had been shut down, maybe even burned to the ground, senior political figures slain, all in the environment of Trump claiming election fraud and whipping his Cesar Sayocs into further delusion? We might all be on our rooftops plinking strangers in our neighborhoods by now.
If the ultimate intent of the 1/6 attacks were to keep Donald Trump in power, yes, it damned well was an insurrection.
So, was it a mob of unwitting dupes? Or were there people there with the intent of causing real damage, kidnapping and/or murdering government officials?
DeleteIts an important question. If they were dupes, then they are not "insurrectionists" in any sense of the word.
If there were people there with specific intent, they did a horrible job (thank God).
Donald Trump did a horrible, irresponsible and corrosive thing by stirring people up and continuing to roar that the election was stolen. The people who did damage and violence at the Capitol are criminals and I hope they are all prosecuted.
Using hyperbolic language to characterize it further that what it was trivializes it and weakens the position of those using such operatic rhetoric.
Btw, when the libel and slander cases are concluded, Mike Lindell will be wearing a barrel and it will be somebody else's pillow.
DeleteIt pains me to say all this, but it was a whirling circus of insanity swirling around Trump there at the end.
So, was it a mob of unwitting dupes? Or were there people there with the intent of causing real damage, kidnapping and/or murdering government officials?
DeleteDepends on if you believe it's okay to enter a federal building if someone else beat the shit out of the security blocking the entrances or broke a window for you gain access, doesn't it?
The Republican Party would do well to make a condemnation of the 1/6 insurrection and Donald Trump himself the first paragraph of the party platform.
DeleteThere is video of criminals smashing their way in, and there is
Deletevideo of police welcoming people through the doors.
That's one difference between crime and not crime.
Nope
DeleteThere is video of outnumbered Capitol police trying to peacefully control a growing crowd of people that made their way into the building, all the while asking them to leave and trying to prevent them further access into the building, but there is no police officers welcoming people to enter the building much less to ransack offices and hunt for politicians to capture and kill.
In reconstructing this terrorist attack from video sources, context and timestamps matter. Trump and other enemies of the people hadn't incited their Cesar Sayocs to attack yet. There was never a point in this terrorist attack where the Capitol police did not try to impede access to Congressional offices of the legislative chambers. It was a series of holding actions and defensive fallbacks to delay the crowd from reaching government officials until they could be evacuated to safety, and until the point shoot to kill prizes were handed out to derps like Ashli Babbitt. It's already come out that US Special Forces operators were deployed to take back the Capitol. Unfortunately, the order never went out to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of dumbass Trump supporters. Maybe next time.
https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-how-a-pro-trump-mob-overran-capitol-police/55727077-6EF2-4BE1-9DC6-453E5A9390CF.html
Deletehttps://youtu.be/0pe241gW0dQ
Capitol police were under attack before Trump finished his plea for his supporters to go to the Capitol and reinforce the attackers.
Context and timestamps matter.
Looks like DOJ is handing out trespassing charges to "insurrectionists." lol
Delete@ RJW
ReplyDeleteThere's only one person with the power to charge Americans with the crime of "Insurrection" relating to 1/6. His name is Merrick Garland.
It has been a year and since he hasn't done so, I'm going to assume he can't make the charge stick.
However, you may call it anything you wish, for instance floppery with intent to commit moppery.
Warren, well said. As CI has stated, the hyperbole just makes them look stupid and not credible. I hope they keep it up
Delete...they did plan it.
DeleteTC: In a narrow sense, I guess it does meet the definition. You could make a case they engaged in "the unlawful use of violence and intimidationin the pursuit of political aims."
DeleteHaving said the comically named terrorist organization ELF has done way more damage.
As has the Teamsters and the ALF-CIO. It's still terrorism.
DeleteIf the charge of "insurrection" was even remotely "legitimate", it would be made. But January 6 calls into question the entire government, including Merrick Garland's, very "legitimacy". And it's inability to stop the Jan 6 protestors from seizing the capitol, to apply legitimate FORCE, was proven largely "absent."
DeleteWell Warren, calling it anything one wishes has been the mantra of the right wing media and GOP legislators from the beginning.
DeleteOne day it was Antifa and Soros funded bus loads of leftist disguised as Trump supporters. Another day it was patriotic Trump supporters being picked on by the Capitol Police. The next day it was an FBI scheme. Next it was a normal tourist day. It's been a pick and choose from one day to the next contingent on the situation, like choosing a golf club.
And in the meantime, the very people spewing incoherent nonsense from one day to the next were and are the very same people using every tool in the box to prevent the American people of learning what exactly happened and why.
The entire ordeal goes back to The Big Lie that not only these indoctrinated fools believed, but The Big Lie that the right wing media and GOP legislators continue to sell and use as an excuse to disenfranchise Democratic voters and manipulate our voting process.
America's faith in the integrity of the election system remains shaken by the events of Jan. 6, with only 20% of the public saying it's very confident about the system, a new ABC/Ipsos poll finds. This is a significant drop from 37% in an ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted in the days after the insurrection last year.
DeleteBut ahead of that vote, nearly 60% of all Americans said they lacked confidence in the honesty of U.S. elections, according to a Gallup poll from earlier that year.
One year later, two-thirds of all Americans believe U.S. democracy is threatened, according to a CBS News poll. That crisis of trust is bigger than just one party — both Republican and Democratic voters have expressed doubt in the system.
America is living in the hyper-reality of media sustained narrative. Jan 6, for a single day, demonstrated the illegitimacy of that narrative. Soon, the COVID narrative too will fall.
DeleteThere has been a seemingly coordinated campaign to discredit the institutions of government and the confidence of the electorate, for the past few years.
DeleteWhether wittingly or not, this has occurred with the connivance of elected representatives and bureaucrats alike.
There are a couple of nations that put far more importance on Information Operations than we do......
The institutions of government, ie- Congress, DOJ and FBI in particular, succeed in discrediting themselves daily.
DeleteThe MSM's "Information Operations" too have proven to be "collusive".
DeleteIt is a sustained hyper-reality seeking to induce its' own hyper-normalization.
DeleteOf course, the media has been colluding with the parties for even longer.
DeleteThe charge of "insurrection" is merely a symptom of the hyper-real falsity inherent in this process of its' hyper-normalization.
DeleteOur government becomes increasingly illegitimate daily.
DeleteGovernment hyperbole made "real".
DeleteThe path we're on...
DeleteFJ,
DeleteSoon, the COVID narrative too will fall.
Already in process.
FJ,
DeleteThe path we're on...
Excellent video!
It's Adam Curtis' attempt to explain his movie/documentary "Hypernormalisation".
DeleteAnyone catch Ted Cruz going on the Tucker show to beg forgiveness for daring to criticize MAGA-rioters for attacking the Capitol?
DeleteWelcome to the 2022 Republican Party folks.
Cruz beclowned and cucked himself way back in the 2016 Primaries.
DeleteAny man who won't defend his wife's honor, won't defend yours either.
+1 CI
Delete@ RJW,
Delete"Well Warren, calling it anything one wishes has been the mantra of the right wing media and GOP legislators from the beginning.
yawn
Want to know why the left is pushing thar Phony INSURRECTION so hard? Because the mid term elections are less than s year away and It appears that they think Trump would definitely win in 2024 so they want to have the 14th amendment trick so that would prevent him from holding office again.
ReplyDeleteAnd their most likely right, HE WOULD WIN AGAIN.
Of course and knowing that Trump really won the 2020 election the Democrats want to do anything they can to undermine him to prevent him from kicking their lying, cheating, asses again.
Your statement of the obvious is quite stolid.
DeleteJoe Biden's pathetic performance on the economy adds less than half the jobs that was expected in December.
ReplyDeleteBiden Is Drowning In His Own Scandals And Policy Failures As Approval Ratings Plungs
DeleteBiden battered by crises as president's approval plunges - From the botched withdrawl from Afghanistan to an influx of migrants at the southern border, Biden has suffered major setbacks "Just over eight months into office, President Biden is drowning in crises.
“INSURRECTION”. I don’t think so!
ReplyDeleteBut I would certainly agree that it was a protest that went too far, and got way out of hand… Thats what I would call it. Only the cry-baby progressive sheeple would call it an insurrection. Or the Socialist bunch who get their orders from George Soros.
I am amazed, although I shouldn’t be, at how so many people can be so utterly stupid and gullible not to realize how they are being manipulated by the mainstream media. They see a boy smiling at a Native American asshole beating a drum in his face and they want to ruin the poor kid because that is what their masters have told them. But they are paying dearly for that one! They see a man in a dress and thinks that makes him qualified for for one of the highest positions in the land because their masters have told them. They see flames engulfing the businesses, and homes of innocent people across America and claim that is peaceful because their Racist masters have told them.
How about Mayor Eric Adams tripling his brothers pay by giving him a position for which he is not qualified? From parking manager at a university (that is a tough job!) to the top of the bureaucracy in NY City.
ReplyDeleteRight, he made him a Deputy
DeleteTammy,
DeleteHow about Mayor Eric Adams tripling his brothers pay by giving him a position for which he is not qualified?
Distressingly amazing, huh?
Corruption in Democratic cities is largely a "family" affair. The power center needs to keeps his hands clean, while the "family" dirties theirs.
DeleteIf the Shoe fits!
ReplyDeleteHow about ex-gov Cuomo not being prosecuted despite the judge saying the witness was credible but it would be hard to prove? Just lazy if you ask me and I would not doubt it is another NY judge that the Cuomo's paid off.
ReplyDeleteWell Elizabeth, the judicial system makes those judgements everyday. As many in law enforcement and the legal community say, "it's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
DeleteIn a world of limited funds, why should a DA pursue a case he/she can't win simply to appease the public desire for retribution?
In this case, the guy has been shamed, the Cuomo name is toxic, he resigned in disgrace and even his brother got caught up in it. A guilty verdict, on one count might bring what? A suspended sentence? Years of appeals?
Sure, we'd all like to see a trial.
But what purpose would it serve? Especially if it is so hard to prove as to make the case unwinnable?
Reasonable doubt. From every juror. That's a heavy lift in the best circumstances.
No, you'd prefer to spend those "limited funds" persecuting Kyle Rittenhouse and Derrick Chauvin.
DeleteDon't we ALL feel so much safer now that Marlene Rittmanic's in jail...
DeleteOoops, wrong cop...Johannes Mehserle not Marlene Rittmanic.
Deleteerrrr... Kim Potter.
DeleteI'll support using limited funds to convict murdering cops, all day long.
DeleteJoe, I don;'t believe I posited a preference for how I would spend funds. But given the choice, yes, I'd agree with CI... if a cop is dirty and/or kills someone, to maintain trust in the system, there must be consequences.
DeleteSo yes, Derrick Chauvin should have been tried.
I do find it amazing that people who decry the death of Ashli Babbitt and call it a cold blooded killing without reason, somehow call the prosecution of Chauvin unwarranted.
For weeks and months, we heard all George Floyd had to do was quietly obey the law and he wouldn't be dead. Why is that not the standard now with Babbitt?
I mean really... I get maybe she thought she was on a tour of the Capitol, but perhaps crawling through a broken window of a barricaded door should have been a clue that she was not welcome or permitted to enter.
...but Tony Cuomo isn't someone who needs prosecuting in order to "maintain trust in the system"? Only police officers and politicians with (R)'s like Trump need prosecuting?
DeleteDemocrats have NO credibility. They don't even prosecute their own ANTIFA insurrectionists.
The double standard blazes in your face.
btw - When will Ashley babbitt's killer's trial begin?
DeleteMy solution to CIA torture has always been, put the torturer's on trial. There can NEVER be an legal sanction for it.
DeleteThe same goes for policing. But hey, you can't hold juries hostage through the media with threats of violence if they don't convict, either.
Seems to me that Democrat politicians have a credibility problem when it comes to abuse of office and sexual harassment (ever since Clinton). When are you going to stop avoiding addressing it?
DeleteRight now Democratic politicians KNOW that prosecution is OFF THE TABLE for all sexual indiscretions, that their party has their backs.
Delete...or the next time, the governor might not choose to resign. After all, Kim Potter offered to resign after admitting her "abuse of office" mistake.
DeleteResignation didn't keep the media from piling on their favorite scapegoats in THAT case.
DeleteWhy is that not the standard now with Babbitt?
DeleteBecause amongst that fringe - she's been Horst Wessel-ized....
+1 Dave Miller
DeleteIn context, Ashli Babbitt had to pass through the scenes of Capitol police being overwhelmed by an assault with bike racks and flag poles and fire extinguishers and riot shields and bear pepper spray other improvised weapons to get to the point she reached the barricaded doors of the House lobby where she waited for a window to be smashed out before she tried to climb through it. It absolutely disgusts me that her body wasn't dumped in the ocean next to Osama bin Laden.
So Ashli Babbitt has become homo sacer? So much for the "constitution", eh CI? Good to know where you stand.
DeleteThe Constitution has nothing to do with her Horst Wessel-ization. Piss on her. That's where I stand.
DeleteWithout negative liberties, classical liberalism is dead. You've killed it.
DeleteSure, if you understood the definition of negative liberty. Blame me all you want....as long as it makes you feel better. Because...that's really whats important, right?
DeletePerhaps you can explain how Babbitt's actions on that comport with negative liberties.
Delete*on that day
DeleteSo Ashli Babbitt has become homo sacer?
DeleteI have watched video of her shooting many times with popcorn. Studied it. Run it backward and forward to see the blood splash out of her then leap back into her in reverse. Thoroughly observed.
It looks to me like she became a dead imbecile.
@TC - But to some, who wish to canonize her....her death somehow represents the death of the Constitution.
DeleteNegative liberty is "freedom from"... a state that can't take away your liberty without due process.
DeleteAshli Babbitt's was omitted post-mortem. No "due process" due. She was simply proclaimed "homo sacer". "Put down" as you would a dog.
...with NO Constitutional rights.
Delete...the Congress "feared for their lives" from the threat of unarmed LARPers.
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DeleteThey even refused, to this date, to release the officer who killed her's name. She might as well been on a list for drone strikes.
Delete"Secrecy" is the death of democracy.
DeleteEven better, thank you! So now, you should never shoot an intruder in your home....because you don't know if they're armed, or what their intent is. You certainly can't violate their 'Constitutional Rights'.....
DeleteExcellent. A nation of sheep, thanks to you.
The name of the officer who shot her is known. He's even given interviews to the press.
DeleteI'm hoping Biden gives him the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the middle of his State of the Union address.
Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned the shooting of Babbitt, describing it as an "assassination".
DeleteAt least he knows one when he see's one.
Vladimir Putin hallucinates that Czar Nicholas got a note from Epstein's Mom that says NATO can't expand westward. Screw that Down's Syndrome looking Mongoloid.
Delete...and a private home is not a public space. In a public space, you'd damn well better know the person you shoot's "intent". Lest all those "racially motivated" cop shootings you so complain about become "off limits" to prosecution, let alone "public review".
DeleteI complain about "racially motivated" police shootings? Cite your sources. I'll wait.
DeleteBut please, cite Putin even more. I find it fascinating.
ps -the name of the officer involved is only known because of right wing press, followed by the officer's public confession. It was never officially released by the "secret keepers."
DeleteWhat was officer Chauvin's motivation, CI?
DeleteClearly Chauvin wanted to show the weaknesses of a left-wing city. If he tried that shit in a conservative town he'd have had more than cellphone cameras pointed at him.
DeleteChauvin was convicted of 2nd and 3rd degree murder. Surely his "motive" and "intent" are both known to you?
DeleteLet every police force in the nation adopt the CI endorsed Ashli Babbitt standard for the use of deadly force.
DeletePresence of MAGA gear is the only requirement for sanctioning police use of deadly force.
DeletePresence of MAGA gear is the only requirement for sanctioning police use of deadly force.
DeleteNot a bad idea, given the extreme hatred for America required to have voted for Trump in the first place. Rodney King all of them.
Watcha gonna do, threaten civil war ya pussy?
I don't know what was in Chauvin's heart or mind...do you? I do know that George Floyd was restrained and outnumbered. Not the case with Babbitt.
DeleteBabbitt was also part of a mob who assaulted law enforcement officers and attempted to breach the last line of defense before the House chambers. Perhaps they should have been allowed in, as "tourists"?
Canonize her all you like, ala Horst Wessell.
You don't know Chauvin's motives? What about the other officers who aided and abetted? They're also being charged with federal "civil rights violations". Rights that apparently Ashli Babbitt, in the name of "national security" (*wink-wink*), never had...
Deleteps - The House Chambers have a "last line of defense"? Who knew? I hope it's well marked, cuz I'd hate to inadvertently "cross it". I know that there are usually "Use of Deadly Force Authorized" signs where those kind of things exist... I did not know that the House Chamber (as opposed to the Senate Chamber) was one.
DeleteIs "failure to post" a "Use of Deadly Force Authorized" sign a crime or simply a lack of courtesy in our new non-constitutional republic, CI?
DeleteAshli Babbitt received more police warnings to stop than most people shot by police. She should have been shot on the Capitol steps outside when the first skirmish line was broken.
DeletePlay stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Yes, citizens deserve what they get. After all, the constitution is merely a piece of paper to be ignored once the grown-ups have decided what's best for them.
DeleteThe Constitution doesn't require one to surrender their safety when a violent mob is breaking through the last barrier before them.
DeleteGrown-ups who don't merely use the Constitution as a prop, know this.
Yes, that's what Napoleon said on 13 Vendemiaire.
DeleteNothing says "You have Constitutional Rights" like a whiff of grapeshot.
DeleteIt's good to know where you stand on being attacked. Would you just rhetorically grovel ala Ted Cruz, or would you actually prostrate yourself....this being the "right" kind of attacking mob of course....
Delete...and a Committee of "Public Safety".
Delete...or would you pull a canon cord with glee...
DeletePlay stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Delete+1
...on a UNARMED mob.
DeleteYep...an unarmed mob can't possibly harm someone, just ask the 100+ Capitol law enforcement officers who needed medical attention that day.
DeleteNope, unarmed mobs have never, ever inured or killed anyone. Good argument, bravo!
Also good to know that non-firearm implements, such as pipes, flagpoles, fire extinguishers, pepper spray, stun guns, baseball bats can't possibly injure or kill anyone.
DeleteGuess if you were to find yourself faced against an attacker [or multiple attackers], you're just going to 'take one for the team'.
Don't want to jeopardize their 'Constitutional Rights' after all.....been nice knowing ya.
...says the man who moaned about the clearing of a park for a Trump photo op outside a church in which NO demonstrators were killed...
DeleteWhy do we "put up with it", indeed!
DeleteYour comparison falls flat....but you knew that already.
DeleteA total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says. Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says.
DeleteAnd is a transparent distraction. Good job!
DeleteReally?
DeleteYou bore me now. Go ahead and post several YouTube links or something. Bye.
DeleteNothing says "You have Constitutional Rights" like a whiff of grapeshot.
DeleteI would have dispersed the unlawful assembly around the Capitol with a few passes from an A10 Warthog and 30mm autocannons, but nobody has my flair for entertainment.
"I'll support using limited funds to convict murdering cops, all day long"...unless it's a Trump supporter being killed after they cross my last line of defense.
Deleteps - At least beamish is consistent.
DeleteWhat part of attacking police officers to enter a restricted area is cover d by the 1st Amendment right to peacefully assemble?
DeleteMy only criticism of the Capitol police is that Trump's army of Cesar Sayocs didn't have to wade through the bodies of their dead fellow morons to even get into the building.
I honestly don't see why the military couldn't have surrounded the Capitol building to make sure all of the protesters got a bullet in the head. Do we need more defense funding?
DeleteThe thing about people wailing about traitors being shot is it makes them easy to identify and shoot as well.
DeleteAnd all of the sudden Trump supporters drop their masturbatory "we're going to have a civil war" fantasies and start calling for calm, making the dead enders easier to identify and shoot.
DeleteIt will be tragic. Unless of course their deaths are captured on video to enjoy over and over with popcorn.
DeleteWhere's your shovel, protest boy? Chop chop!
DeleteI honestly don't see why the military couldn't have surrounded the Capitol building....
DeleteC'mon...you know that employing your law enforcement or armed forces against your own pseudo-militia....goes against everything in the Banana Republic Handbook.
Just $33 million in damage that they're barely getting fined for.
DeleteJust remember, keeping Trump from the Presidency in 2024 if he's not too chicken to run will get these pussy Trump supporters off the bench for a civil war. Call 'em out.
Delete"They're just LARPing"
DeleteThe summer BLM riot damages were $3b... and it was "catch and release" for its' demonstrators.
DeleteWho insures the Capitol building against damages? Pays for security upgrades?
DeleteWith all the money wasted on trying to find mythical voter fraud, after the 2016 and 2020 elections....what's a few more shekels from the faceless masses?
DeleteTaxpayers paid for the AZ audit? Who knew?
DeleteThe forensic audit was commissioned by the Arizona State Senate at a cost of $5.7 million. Most of the expense was paid for by private donations from people who believe the election was stolen.
DeleteMost of the expense. Arizona State Senate dollars....are taxpayer dollars. And Arizona is but one state where audits were conducted.
DeleteAnd I include Kris Kobach's fruitless search after 2016.
Five groups were responsible for providing more than $5.7 million, a spokesman for audit team leader Doug Logan announced on Thursday. The America Project, a nonprofit group started by former Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne, contributed more than half of the funding, putting in more than $3.2 million.
DeleteAmerica’s Future, a nonprofit chaired by former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, contributed nearly $1 million. Another $605,000 came from Voices and Votes, a nonprofit founded by Christina Bobb of the pro-Trump media outlet One America News Network. OAN broadcast the livestream of the audit at Veterans Memorial Coliseum, and the audit team provided Bobb with special access to the audit, where she frequently made fundraising appeals during her broadcasts.
Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell’s nonprofit Defending the Republic provided $550,000, while the another nonprofit called Election Integrity Funds for the American Republic and its pro-Trump legal fund Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic contributed another $280,000.
That funding was separate from the $150,000 that the Arizona Senate paid to Logan’s firm, Cyber Ninjas. Senate President Karen Fann agreed beforehand with Logan that the audit would raise outside funds to augment the Senate’s contract.
Cost of AZ Audit to taxpayers? $150K. Money and Voter confidence in system thrown away ignoring results? Priceless.
Delete-FJ... you frequently posit a like example to excuse wrong behavior when you favor it.
DeleteCan't both the summer riots and damage to federal buildings be wrong and merit punishment?
Simply claiming one is not a problem, because you don't like the punishment for a prior bad act, is absolving the guilty of their lawlessness.
140 officers were hurt and/or required hospitalization as a result of injuries received in the insurrection/riot/tourist visits of 1/6.
More than 2000 officers were hurt in the G Floyd protests.
Why are conservatives so much more outraged by the G Floyd reality, claiming a need to stand with police, but seemingly excusing the police lives hurt and damaged during 1/6?
Isn't attacking police wrong, no matter what?
Indeed, Dave. In the exquisitely hilarious video in which we see the skank Ashli Babbitt take a bullet to the chest, if you listen closely before that glorious pesticidal discharge goes off, you'll hear the Trumptards complaining to the police they are shoving around that they "backed them" thus their criminal behavior should get a pass. No doubt they did support them with desecrated American flags colored black and blue and not much else.
DeleteTo answer your question, they never gave a shit about cops.
Perhaps VDH's essay better answers your question vis my whataboutisms, Dave.
DeleteI'm also an admirer of the practicioners of Game Theory. Tit-for-tat being it's most successful strategy.
DeleteYou riot in Portland? I riot in DC. Your next play?
DeleteIsn't attacking police wrong, no matter what?
DeleteHaving witnessed the demonstrations against Chavez and Maduro in Caracas, I have to conclude. No.
Ecclesiastes 3
DeleteGood choice guys on retirement location:
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ReplyDeleteBaysider,
DeleteFrom the link you provided:
Indiana is one of only 10 states nationwide where a 65 year old can retire and live comfortably with less than $950,000. The average retirement cost in the state of $942,575 is nearly $178,000 less than the national average.
The affordability of a comfortable retirement is due to the low cost of living in the state. Goods and services are 11.3% cheaper in Indiana than they are on average nationwide. As a result, the average annual expenditure of a retirement age state resident is about $5,700 less than it is across the U.S.
Thanks, Baysider!
DeleteI was asking Frank's World.
ReplyDeletePERSONAL POST
ReplyDeleteThe Christmas tree will stay up for a while longer because both Warren and I are a bit sick. He started on Tuesday afternoon, I on Wednesday afternoon. Our mild, nuisance symptoms match those of Omicron. Warren seems better today (Sunday), so perhaps I will get better tomorrow (Monday).
I was under the weather so much yesterday that I didn't get downstairs to give Amber and Minxy their evening meal. ☹️
The dogs know that we are sick. They're been on their best behavior since Wednesday.
Get well soon AOW and Warren! :)
ReplyDeleteI second the sentiment! Dogs have very short attention spans... ;)
DeleteJoe AOWs dogs are special!!! :)
DeleteI'm sure that they are. I speak only for my own. :(
DeleteThe pay-off's continue...
ReplyDeleteThe White House said Tuesday it will provide $308 million in new humanitarian aid for Afghanistan, as the country teeters toward a full-scale humanitarian crisis and economic collapse under the Taliban. In addition, the U.S. will send 1 million additional COVID-19 tests to the country, which has been in a tailspin since the Taliban government took over following the U.S. military withdrawal in August. The new assistance will come from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and flow through independent humanitarian organizations,
Of all the Hoaxes, Lies, Slanted, Stories and Purposely Omitted news, in the media’s coverage of the Anti Trumpers, the Never Trumper’s in the Congress, and even in the White House like Biden, and Kamale, , but especially in the Media such as CNN’s, Don Lemon, Jim Acosta, and the “ALL TIME LIAR” Rachel Maddow all came out AGAINST the Covington Kids, but BACKED Jussie Smollett, the Wuhan lab, and especially the Hunter Biden’s Laptop story 100 percent, But nothing beats the propaganda these Progressive Nuts peddled about Kyle Rittenhouse.
ReplyDeleteThey tried their very to make the Rittenhouse case about RACE, even Bidumb openly called Rittenhouse a “ White Supremacist’with out any reason, trying to Put-Down the white working-class Son of a white single mother because they don’t see him as a person of any good at all, but a truble-maker.
They lie about him only because they can. For the President and the Vice President to take sides begfor the Trial even began is tottaly against what we Americans stand for. What happened to Innocent until proven the be Guilty?
But, low and behold, a huge victory for justice was was done when the jury ruled Kyle Rittenhouse was Not Guilty on All Counts for his role in defending Kenosha from the BLM riots in August 2020. This ruling was no doubt part of the backlash of a nation tired of anarchy, chaos, double standards, hypocrisy and who realized the obvious: It could have been in MY neighborhood! A young man stepped up to defend his community, and defended himself against criminals. Even through the propaganda about him being branded a white supremacist vigilante, common sense and reason prevailed! Way to go Kyle