A real jaw-dropper. But should we really be surprised? Probably not.
One of the guns used in the November 13, 2015 Paris terrorist attacks came from Phoenix, Arizona where the Obama administration allowed criminals to buy thousands of weapons illegally in a deadly and futile “gun-walking” operation known as “Fast and Furious.”
A Report of Investigation (ROI) filed by a case agent in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) tracked the gun used in the Paris attacks to a Phoenix gun owner who sold it illegally, “off book,” Judicial Watch’s law enforcement sources confirm. Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.Read the rest HERE at Judicial Watch.
The investigative follow up of the Paris weapon consisted of tracking a paper trail using a 4473 form, which documents a gun’s ownership history by, among other things, using serial numbers. The Phoenix gun owner that the weapon was traced back to was found to have at least two federal firearms violations—for selling one weapon illegally and possessing an unregistered automatic—but no enforcement or prosecutorial action was taken against the individual. Instead, ATF leaders went out of their way to keep the information under the radar and ensure that the gun owner’s identity was “kept quiet,” according to law enforcement sources involved with the case. “Agents were told, in the process of taking the fully auto, not to anger the seller to prevent him from going public,” a veteran law enforcement official told Judicial Watch.
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The ATF ran the Fast and Furious experiment and actually allowed criminals, “straw purchasers,” working for Mexican drug cartels to buy weapons at federally licensed firearms dealers in Phoenix and allowed the guns to be “walked”—possessed without any knowledge of their whereabouts. The government lost track of most of the weapons and many have been used to murder hundreds of innocent people as well as a U.S. Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, in Arizona. A mainstream newspaper [the Los Angeles Times] reported that a Muslim terrorist who planned to murder attendees of a Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland, Texas last year bought a 9-millimeter pistol at a Phoenix gun shop that participated in the ATF’s Fast and Furious program despite drug and assault charges that should have raised red flags. Judicial Watch has thoroughly investigated Fast and Furious and has sued the Obama administration for information about the once-secret operation
If the above report is true, how dare the Obama Administration yap about gun control?
So Obama's feds armed the Paris terrorists... and he now argues that disarming the public and restricting THEIR arms purchases is the problem?
ReplyDeleteSounds to me, once again, as if Gub'mint is da problem!
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DeleteFJ,
DeleteThe Obama administration is rife with smoke and mirrors.
...and "Form 4473's" and "off book's"
DeleteWell FJ, at least for now, that conclusion cannot be supported by what we see in various articles about this. Everyone I've read seems to make the same leap to the Fast and Furious conclusion, but the evidence does not support that right now.
ReplyDeleteLots of rife speculation...
Dave,
DeleteWould you be as skeptical if a GOP administration were being accused?
Myself, AOW, I'd be extremely skeptical of any unsubstantiated claim from a conspiracy site against any administration.
DeleteThe claim here is extremely sketchy and Judicial Watch has a well earned reputation as a nutlog site.
Duck,
DeleteIn my view, as with past administrations, we won't know the extent of the snakiness thereof for at least a few years.
I don't trust ANY politician -- and I never have.
Not supported? lol! What part of the "serial number" of a linked AK-47 wasn't "absolute" enough for you?
DeleteA number of Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) gun dealers in the Phoenix area routinely contacted ATF when they noticed suspicious customers attempting purchases; for example, someone ordering large numbers of AK-47 variant rifles and other so-called "weapons of choice" used by the Mexican drug cartels, and paying with large sums of cash brought in a paper bag. But starting in fall 2009, instead of stopping the transactions or questioning the customers, ATF often encouraged select gun dealers to go ahead and complete suspicious sales. ATF further asked the gun dealers to continue to cooperate by selling to the suspicious customers repeatedly, and providing ATF with names and weapons' serial numbers. Several gun dealers expressed concerns to ATF: they worried if they cooperated in selling guns to suspected criminals, they would later be unfairly blamed or even prosecuted, and that some of the weapons might be used one day to murder federal agents.
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"Grenadewalker" refers to another controversial ATF case out of Phoenix. In it, Jean Baptiste Kingery allegedly smuggled parts for as many as 2,000 grenades from the US to Mexico for killer drug cartels, sometimes under the direct watch of US law enforcement. Sources say Kingery could have been prosecuted twice in the US for violating export control laws but that each time, prosecutors in Arizona refused to make a case. In one instance, Kingery had allegedly gotten caught leaving the US with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire, but the ATF agent on the case says he was ordered by the US Attorney's office to let Kingery go because the grenade parts were "novelty items" and the case "lacked jury appeal." A year and a half after Kingery was first let go, Mexican authorities raided Kingery's stash house and factory and found materials for 1,000 grenades. Kingery allegedly admitted teaching cartels how to make grenades as well as helping cartel members convert semi-automatic rifles to fully-automatic.
As I read the article it alludes to the illegal sale of a fully automatic rifle by a private citizen and the purchase of a 9mm. from a shop which mat have been part of F&F in the past.
DeleteVery sketchy. Probably out there to clear the palette after Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi and prime representative of the strong Repub bench, Trey Goudy, were finally flushed.
ps - Judicial Watch is a "nutlog" site in the same way that their FAR-Left counterpart, the ACLU, is a "nutlog" site.
DeleteDucky...
DeleteSo you confiscate a fully auto weapon from a civilian, but don't prosecute him because you don't want to "anger him" so that he "goes public"? Acta non verba. Admissions of government guilt don't get much louder.
I suspect that the list of F&F weapon sales serial numbers are on Hillary's server.
DeleteIf the gun WASN'T an F&F gun, why is the gun's former owner not currently in federal custody at Gitmo getting waterboarded to disclose who he sold the gun to?
DeleteHere's the operative information, for those who still don't "get it".
DeleteA Report of Investigation (ROI) filed by a case agent in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) tracked the gun used in the Paris attacks to a Phoenix gun owner who sold it illegally, “off book,” Judicial Watch’s law enforcement sources confirm. Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.
The investigative follow up of the Paris weapon consisted of tracking a paper trail using a 4473 form, which documents a gun’s ownership history by, among other things, using serial numbers.
The 4473 got filed with the feds, or they wouldn't have been able to trace it to the "seller" in Phoenix. The seller had illegally sold it "off book", meaning he didn't record it in his OWN sales book and technically still owned the gun used in the Paris attack, making him at a minimum, an accessory to one of the worst terrorist attacks in European history. Yet they charge him with NO VIOLATIONS... and are afraid of his "going public".
Makes you wonder what good the NIC is, if the ATF won't even charge the illegal seller of gun who harbored a fully automatic assault weapon and who illegally sold similar weapons to known terrorists with weapons law violations. Is this "prosecutorial discretion" or "coverup"? You decide.
DeleteWe have to remember that ANY story by a Conservative site is considered probably wrong by the left...it's just a fact and we should be used to it. little curiosity, little true journalism on their part;
ReplyDelete-Lynch/Clinton's meeting (he somehow knew she was flying in..?... waited a while for her plane, then chatted privately with her for 30 minutes about golf and grandchildren and that's only considered "bad judgment" by the Left)
-Fast and Furious: agents told newspapers they were stunned when told to leave after having dropped off guns...under Bush, they did surveillance after dropping off guns...that was ignored by the Left...
Well, there are too many to list...
FJ is right...why wasn't the gun seller in this story prosecuted? WHY NOT?
And, by the way, the Left wants stronger gun laws and the Right keeps saying THEY EXIST, DO SOMETHING WITH THEM!!
Sounds like a perfect example of that to me.
Why wasn't he? That's a damn good question.
DeleteWhy was the purchaser of the gun used in the Texas attack allowed to buy a firearm with a violent background record?
Questions worth asking but what gets the headline - Fast & Furious which has nothing but a tangential relationship to this story.
I'm surprised he didn't report that the gun she used to kill Vince Foster was traced to F&F.
But like I say, meant to take the edge of the Benghazi!, Benghazi!, Benghazi! final report turning out to be strictly fish wrap.
Ducky, check out independent sources on Benghazi and come back to us about fish wrap....you just can't rely on those who say what you want said anymore...it's getting too Fascist.
DeleteSee, F&F isn't tangential when we add it to the huge pyres of smoke on the Hillary flames....it just isn't.
But you keep denying and seem to trust her and your media very well.....I find a media so in the bag for one party scary. I'm grateful for those who reveal all the truth, all sides, and wish liberals were interested, too, frankly.
As far as Benghazi goes, I have read no conclusion that indicates anything but a failed CIA operation.
DeleteThat was pretty well known from the start.
rubbish.
DeleteMy heart breaks for those Americans sitting in jets who wanted to take off to help our people...but couldn't. Don't tell me it was only a short siege...nobody knew how long it'd take. There's more...I don't have time.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-speech-intimidation-game-1466374572?tesla=y
Deleterubbish.
DeleteMy heart breaks for those Americans sitting in jets who wanted to take off to help our people...but couldn't. Don't tell me it was only a short siege...nobody knew how long it'd take. There's more...I don't have time.
Which organization's members produces more mass shooters, the NRA or the Democratic Party?
DeleteMaybe guns ain't the problem and the sub-imbecilic political affiliations are.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110912
ReplyDeleteThis was even printed in the LA TIMES (Bravo!! amazing)...breaks one's heart. I'll never forget the agents I heard saying "We dropped guns off and were told Holder wants us to leave....LEAVE? They had the guns and we couldn't watch where they went!"
This article corroborates.... got to always at least consider truth.
And yet more bloodshed laid at the feet of the man who calls himself obama and his Administration. We really need to pray for all these people. I'm glad I won't have to see what happens to him or them on Judgement Day for he is truly evil.
ReplyDeleteSparky,
DeleteI couldn't agree more!
GOOD NEWS again:
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What would it take to get you all to stop haranguing each other and let yourselves feel glad about something for a change?
Trevor,
DeleteYes, it does seem as if the market instability triggered by worries about Brexit is over for now.
I hope this market stability occurs after Brexit actually takes place. If it does take place! I've read that the referendum isn't binding.
Cameron has said there won't be another vote. Fingers crossed.
DeleteCameron has said there won't be another vote. Fingers crossed.
DeleteThe liberal loony left’s response to ALL mass shooting incidents is always blaming gun control, their montra is always "there's just too easy access to guns" , and the availability of the wrong kind of guns. More recently the subject has broadened to include keeping certain types of people from buying guns, an aspect that at least contains a degree of rationality.
ReplyDeleteLast week President Barack Obama went to Orlando, FL to offer condolences , hugs, and love to the families of victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting, but could not resist turning the subject from the victims and their suffering in this tragedy into an opportunity talk about guns.
Hopefully those "hugs" will stop the violance .
Hooray again for Judicial Watch! That's why we support them, as they are the exact opposite of Ducky's adjectives. Good job! Now, I have my ear tipped eastward to listen for any sounds out of Washington other than crickets.
ReplyDeleteOther than feeding a desperate group flailing for a political voice, I don't know what Judicial Watch has ever accomplished.
DeleteIf you're going to focus on something why not look at the importance of the court appointments after you got your head handed to you this week.
You spent a decade building an anti-choice strategy that just went up in flames and you give a damn about some judicial watch nonsense about F&F?
Train in the tunnel.
Ducky, did you know the details of the abortion cases in TX? it's basically to have kept young women alive in case something went wrong.....that Planned Parenthood with all their money couldn't comply is a problem for choice advocates who decided even killing babies wasn't worth THAT much money.
DeleteHere's a typical leftwing hurrah from Slate: "It felt as if, for the first time in history, the gender playing field at the high court was finally leveled, and as a consequence the court’s female justices were emboldened to just ignore the rules"
Ya, GENDER being so much more important than THE RULES to leftwingers. Sad.
The rules?
DeleteThe rules are that you cannot pass laws that cause an undue hardship when there are no demonstrable medical benefits.
The admitting privileges dodge was a scam since clinics have doctors available on short notice to admit the woman if it's necessary (very rare).
The site requirements were more stringent than those for clinics performing more dangerous procedures.
The RULE OF LAW dictates that you cannot impose an undue burden when there is no commensurate health outcome benefit.
That's the rule and you got your head handed to you.
ya, there's where you and I differ; I'd say the threat of death during an abortion is an undue hardship and does have demonstrable medical benefits.
DeleteWhy you people need to kill babies is so beyond me.
It didn't hand anything to ME; I feel for the girls who could die without the proper attention. But, that's just me, I guess.
Duck,
DeleteThe admitting privileges dodge was a scam since clinics have doctors available on short notice to admit the woman if it's necessary (very rare).
I disagree!
The possibility of needing admission to a hospital always exists after any gynecological procedure involving sedation or any type of anesthesia.
Nothing nonsensical about pursuing transparency, accountability and integrity in government. Fortunately, we can keep on eyes on many issues at once.
DeleteIt's certainly true that there can be complications during any procedure. However let's be clear, there are procedure performed at clinics which are more dangerous than abortions and aren't subject to these regulations.
DeleteAnother outcome of this ruling is that the subterfuge of the far right disguising their attempts to ban abortion as a concern for woman's health is also over. The court shut the door on that as well.
You got slammed.
Duck,
Deletethere are procedure performed at clinics which are more dangerous than abortions and aren't subject to these regulations
Such as?
You're more likely to have serious side effects from a colonoscopy.
DeleteDuck,
DeleteYou're more likely to have serious side effects from a colonoscopy.
Which is why my primary care physician insists on choosing a colonoscopist with admitting privileges.
Something almost goes awry when I have any "procedure" Rocketing blood pressure -- at the least. I can't imagine that I'm the Lone Ranger on that complication.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/ted-cruz-jeh-johnson-terror-labels-224986
ReplyDeleteJust in case you missed this, AOW...check out what Jeh Johnson responds with when Cruz asks if he knew about this...astonishing. "THE WHOLE FBI?" Yes, Mr. Johnson..EVERY agent, EVERY secretary, EVERY cafeteria worker. WOW...talk about obfuscation and cheating.
Z,
DeleteYes, I missed that information. Thank you.
It is ASTOUNDING what is going on with this administration! Jeh Johnson, Loretta Lynch's "love and unity" statement and her secret meeting with Bill Clinton -- just in the last few days.
AOW, It is astounding. Jihadis burning apostates alive in cages, pushing gay men off of building and serially demolishing western airports, and all we get from the incompetent Professor O'Bungle and his henchmen and henchwomen are speeches cribbed from old Beatles lyrics...
DeleteWith all of the attacks on US soil which have happened on Jeh Johnson's watch why does he still retain his position?
ReplyDeleteNo kidding! Jeh Johnson took office in 2013. Since then....
DeleteYou know, AOW, you're so right about those dates..."Since then...."
DeleteGee, under Bush, nobody could have known about 9/11, but this step up is NOW, under OBAMA...what can we expect? We might have love and unity but we're going to have a lot of dead Americans in the mix.
You know, AOW, you're so right about those dates..."Since then...."
DeleteGee, under Bush, nobody could have known about 9/11, but this step up is NOW, under OBAMA...what can we expect? We might have love and unity but we're going to have a lot of dead Americans in the mix.
BY THE WAY: ON this Lynch thing...she's saying SHE WILL ACCEPT CLINTON RECOMMENDATIONS ... Why WOULDn'T SHE? Isn't that the job of her staff, to give RECOMMENDATIONS? She supposed to ignore them?
ReplyDeleteIt is not enough for Lynch to recuse herself, either wholly or partially.
ReplyDeleteShe has irrevocably tainted the investigation and prosecution/non-prosecution of Hillary and Bill and the Clinton Foundation.
Even Democrats are pulling their hair out over this, that is how bad the loss of trust has become. Sure, Democrats will give her a perfunctory benefit of the doubt, but the damage is done.
This is particularly so because of prior statements from Obama and the administration suggesting that Hillary did not jeopardize national security. That alone was impermissible interference, signalling to the FBI what is expected of it, Obama improperly leaps to Hillary’s email defense again.
Lynch’s almost-secret meeting with Clinton is another signal to the FBI. Unless, of course, she already knows the outcome.
chelsea clinton gets a $900.00 thousand dollar a year job the minute she steps ot of collage, tell me again about Republican corruption!
ReplyDeleteReally? What sort of "collage" did Chelsea step out of?
DeleteSomething like this?
BY THE WAY: ON this Lynch thing...she's saying SHE WILL ACCEPT CLINTON RECOMMENDATIONS ... Why WOULDn'T SHE? Isn't that the job of her staff, to give RECOMMENDATIONS? She supposed to ignore them?
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ReplyDeleteHow many Reps do you know who'd vote for an avowed socialist who thinks we all owe everybody else a living?
DeleteWhy is a leftist suddenly more 'sincere' than any Conservative speaking?
You trust she's being honest regarding the emails and Benghazi? :-) Why?
long time no see hun HAPPY JULY 4TH MY FRIEND!! xoxoxoxox
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