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Tuesday, May 26, 2015

The DIA: ISIS "A Strategic Asset"?

Syrian and Iraqi areas currently controlled by ISIS (in dark red)
According to a recent report at Judicial Report (via Levant Report):


The document shows that as early as 2012, U.S. intelligence predicted the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), but instead of clearly delineating the group as an enemy, the report envisions the terror group as a U.S. strategic asset.

While a number of analysts and journalists have documented long ago the role of western intelligence agencies in the formation and training of the armed opposition in Syria, this is the highest level internal U.S. intelligence confirmation of the theory that western governments fundamentally see ISIS as their own tool for regime change in Syria. The document matter-of-factly states just that scenario....
Read the rest HERE.

The media yawn.

The American people yawn — even as on May 25, 2015, CNN publishes ISIS horror grows: Things to know this week about the terrorist group (must-read article and must-watch video).

Meanwhile, in the midst of ISIS victory after ISIS victory, shortly after the fall of Palmyra, Obama Posts Pic Of Two Gay Guys, Titles It, “Love Is Winning”.

And the rough beast slouches on:
William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


  1. There are some serious problems with how this 'report' is being contextualized. I know that most people won't know, but I would expect an organization such as Judicial Watch, to have [or gain] a modicum of knowledge about which something they report on. Perhaps they do know, and merely have an agenda?

    The source file is not a "DIA Report". The source file is an IIR. IIRs are almost exclusively used to convey intelligence or assessments gleaned from an external source. Sometimes, IIRs are used to capture the atmospherics from a US person, in interaction with foreign sources or governments, but nearly always.....they convey information from a non-US source.

    The source info action has [rightly] been redacted, so we don't know who it came from [though the source is likely Iraqi], but a "DIA Report" would not be in an IIR format.IIRs are not only routinely shared among military and intelligence commands, but archived and accessible by those entities as well.

    1. CI,
      I do not pretend nor have I ever pretended to be an intelligence expert.

      Question for you: What do the letters IIR represent?

      I do not find it out of the realm of possibility that our government would not partner with almost any group in order to unseat Bashar al-Assad, particularly what happened under the Obama administration with regard to Egypt (Mubark) and Libya (Muammar Gaddafi).

      It often seems to me that more than one of the United States' partnerships in the Middle East have led to terrible unintended consequences.

    2. I do not pretend nor have I ever pretended to be an intelligence expert.

      Nor are most people, but I felt it professionally important to refute the context that the source file was some sort of DIA position paper. I would have thought Judicial Watch would know better.

    3. Why would you assume that Larry Klayman knows ANYTHING about Intelligence Ops? He's a lawyer formerly in DOJ, not a spook.

    4. FJ - I would assume that someone who runs an organization as established and prolific as Judicial Watch....an organization which regularly levels fairly serious charges against government officials....would have someone on the staff who knows [or can be informed] about the basics of the charges they're levying.

      If they choose not to, then they're just another partisan hack, agenda-driven organization, no?

    5. Yes, JW is a partisan organization. And yet when ABC/NBC/CBS do the exact same thing, there's no outrage? Why is that? They can't pay for fact checkers?

    6. Are you actually implying that because CBS, et, al.....may have done similar...we should ignore when other organizations [particularly organizations one may support] engage in the same?

      Is hypocrisy the ideological currency you traffic in?

    7. And of course, the entire Benghazi attack debacle was caused by irate movie goers unaffiliated with any terrorist organizations. My non-partisan Secretary of State told me THAT!

    8. Are you saying that "full disclosure" should be the standard for every news report? If so, then the sources of the materials WERE fully disclosed.THAT is much more than CBS/NBC/CBS do!

    9. I am saying that "full disclosure" should be the goal of any "news" organization, whether it be CBS or Fox.

      No, the sources weren't fully disclosed. DIA was the venue for the information, it wasn't the source.

    10. A distinction with apparently no difference to the author. He got it from DIA, so it must have been a DIA Report.

    11. You'd be bending over backwards to be "charitable" to an MSM news report (not Fox). But let Fox or a conservative outlet make the same mistake and its ALL about the BIAS....

    12. Really....would I now. How ignorantly naive.

    13. but I would expect an organization such as Judicial Watch, to have [or gain] a modicum of knowledge about which something they report on. Perhaps they do know, and merely have an agenda?

      Surely we can both imply biased intentions, can't we? ;)

    14. Impugning the 'other's' motives is 90% of "modern" politics.

    15. Surely we can both imply biased intentions, can't we?

      Please explain.

    16. Sure. You imply that Klayman's JW is biased. And I imply that you are. What could be simpler?

    17. You explicitly stated that JW was biased. Tell me where mine is.

    18. I'll explicitly state now that EVERYONE in the WORLD is "subjectively" biased. You "implied" JW was. I "implied" that perhaps you would not be as "critical" and more "charitably inclined" about mistakes from MSM sources. You interested in an argument over semantics now?

      I know that most people won't know, but I would expect an organization such as Judicial Watch, to have [or gain] a modicum of knowledge about which something they report on. Perhaps they do know, and merely have an agenda?

      Noy very subtle, but there it is. "They're intentionally trying to deceive you!"

    19. JW has obviously disclosed all its' sources. In that regard, their 'partisan' reporting is infinitely SUPERIOR to that of the MSM, who often deliberately CONCEAL them.

    20. I "implied" that perhaps you would not be as "critical" and more "charitably inclined" about mistakes from MSM sources.

      I'm not sure why, but I had expected a little better than that. Why did you feel the need to imply that I would give the MSM more of a benefit of the doubt where it concerns responsible and knowledgeable reporting?

      Did it merely make you feel better to cover your argument with a thin blanket of "everybody does it"?

    21. I'm not sure why, but I had expected a little better than that.

      Really..... How ignorantly naive.

      btw - Did it make you feel better to expose JW's possible intentions?

    22. ...something you could have only "divined" because they HAD fully disclosed all their source materials and NOT held any pertinent facts back..

    23. I didn't "divine" anything. It's my profession. And something they could have easily learned, if you were to hold them to the same standard you "imply" that you would hold the MSM to.

    24. Larry Klayman's unstated intentions are your "profession"? Who knew?

  2. I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away."

    1. I've oft quoted from Shelley's poem - a pungent reminder of the transitory nature of power.

    2. Actually, Baysider, I've never seen Nostradumbass quote a poem that he didn't think was a call to social responsibility. (as in Socialism)

  3. None of that really matters as long as young folks can see Obama's twitter about how gay love is winning, after all. NOW I know why he's twittering....dropping things like this on our kids is effective and oh, so sweet to them....
    Odd that none of my gay friends ever wanted to marry; they lived such dignified lives together for years, having gone to a lawyer and arranged the parts of their lives marriage might deny them. Done. They told me the marriage thing was an agenda they didn't feel good about for America. But, alas..........

    Ya, and the DNC chose to publish a picture of Obama eating an ice cream cone on Memorial Day; that's the message from the White House Twitter account.
    Gee, he could have had a line about honoring our fallen..........but, again...alas.

    SF: Your comment lends me to think you might be of the ilk who says "Let's get completely out and let them duke it out" Do you think ISIS would prevail and then we'd be as toasted as Israel? Or do you think Sunni/Shiia, etc, would finally do their whole agenda into a big hole?

    1. Z: Yes, I say we need to get out. Completely. Perhaps continue providing material assistance to the Kurds, and the Israelis will be able to handle their security. The Shiites and Sunnis will be to busy butchering each other to be of much harm to third parties.

      They all hate each other over there. Murder, butchery and bloodlust are their raisons de etre. We need to get out of the way and let them get to it.

      Meanwhile, we need to completely shut down refugee programs for Muslims, while opening the door to ME Christian immigration.

    2. Z: Nobody wins in such an environment. It's a dirty, bloody grind without end until an Attaturk, Assad, or Saddam Hussein steps in with an iron fist. It's sad, but that's the truth.

      Our biggest protection is not letting people in from that region.

      Re Germany, the west and Muslim immigrants: You would hope that at some point everyone gets mad enough to demand governments put a stop to it, but obviously we're not there yet. We may never reach it if the leftwing chemical castration by the ideology they've marinated us in for generation is taking effect.

    3. Well, Silver, look at it this way.
      The Saudi royal family must be crapping pickles.

    4. What imagery. Now I need a brain cleaner.

      Yeah, the Saudis have Shiites in Yemen to contend with now...

    5. I thought we used to be able to reply to replies better than this here....or is it just me?
      TO SF and your response to ME :-): Attaturk, Assad or Hussein are the only ways to calm these people down, sadly. That is sad, but it is the truth. And Mubarek, etc. And we're shamed into deposing them because their people aren't free. Then look what happens. Imagine what will happen to Syria without Assad now? And that will happen soon, it looks like. I suspect he'll leave to France or Switzerland fairly soon now.
      Well, now their people , women and children, are dead....because that control will never happen in those areas....they only KNOW dictators, and brutal ones, and while I've spoken about ARAB PRIDE many times, I'll say it again; it's this PRIDE which will put their tribe before their country EVERY TIME.

      Now that I wrote that, I think of the division Obama's causing in this country between races again, between the haves and have-nots, and that's a good example of what DOESN'T work; that's a kind of 'tribe mentality' he's created that will be dangerous for US, too. Americans knew UNITY. Our kids don't anymore, thanks to indoctrination

    6. Z and Ducky,

      I think Turkey and Egypt will be interesting to watch. Erdogan appears intent upon undoing Attaturk's accomplishments and and dragging society backwards.

      Meanwhile, Al Sisi in Egypt is making noises about advancing and modernizing their understanding of Islam. If he's sincere, and the people are behind him, they could emerge into the new millennium given some economic assistance and development.

    7. @SF,

      "Meanwhile, we need to completely shut down refugee programs for Muslims, while opening the door to ME Christian immigration."


    8. Z,
      Attaturk, Assad or Hussein are the only ways to calm these people down, sadly. That is sad, but it is the truth. And Mubarek, etc. And we're shamed into deposing them because their people aren't free. Then look what happens.


      Of course, the concern now is that World War M will go nuclear. Frankly, I cannot imagine that it will not!

      Furthermore, we appear to have ISIS adherents and ISIS zealots within our own borders.

      What a mess!

    9. Trust me, as an Armenian, that's the very first I have, or will, stick up for Attaturk!!

      ISIS is everywhere....we have all known that, deep down inside. You have, I'm sure. That Muslim Corridor near you has to have radicals in side.......ISIS or not, they're not preaching integration in those mosques. (Now wait for a liberal to ask how I know that :-) My retort will be 'how do you not?' I think America's got to get waaay past sorry and get to SAFE.

  4. George W. Bush took out the anti-Persian firewall, Saddam Hussein, leaving the Sunni Middle East's tender, tasty flanks exposed to the Shiite wolves.

    The Sunni powers are reconstructing that firewall in the form of ISIS. It won't be a nice, neat and brutally-efficient firewall like Saddam. The Shiites have pushed westward into Iraq.

    So, ISIS won't be a nice clean firewall, but the strategery must be that at least they can run rampant like the pack of vicious dogs they are and sow so much chaos that they tie up the Iraqi and Iranian Shiites and prevent them from making incursion into Sunni territory.

    I am not privy to anything. This is just my own assessment based on what I read in the papers.

  5. Anyone have any ideas on how to get rid of Hemroids?
    RN and Ducky for example ..,

  6. Someone recommended Loretta Napoleoni to me.

    If you can deal with an Italian marxist you may find her work eye opening.
    It at least will give you serious doubts that an attempt to mainain a status quo in the Middle East is possible (not that you probably don't already beieve that).

  7. Ducky,
    I'll look her up. If someone is factual and does good research I don't care what their ideology is, and you're right: I believe US efforts to maintain a status quo in the ME is folly.

  8. There IS food for thought in her comments. Her TED talk on the economics of terror gets very interesting near the end, at about 12-13 minutes. http://tinyurl.com/NapoleoniTEDtalk

    and the introduction to her book: http://www.sevenstories.com/news/introduction-to-loretta-napoleonis-the-islamist-phoenix/

    I believe there is a geist beyond human endeavor in back of this movement and very few, including her, capture that. But it's worth a read to better understand the world of the 'strong horse.' Also recommend Lee Smith's excellent book by that name. We must remember that the American growth in freedom is not nature's way. It's only natural to us, but an aberration to others.

  9. As for Obama's tweet - yes, more click bait. And - his favorite word at one time - A DISTRACTION.

  10. These people are soooo different from us and our western/American thinking. But their tribalism represents more the norm of history. Past groups came together around kinship affiliations - the clan. This shifted around Sparta. They 'cured' themselves of lethal violence within their own community - then preyed on their neighbors. Loyalty to the city-state triumphed kinship, class, and party.

    In the West - particularly here - we feel tribalism needs an explanation. We ask why do people behave like that? (The real question is why are we the way we are?) Tribal ways come naturally to the human race. We have forgotten that and always seem to be shocked to see them re-emerge with such force.

    In a way, that's what the divisive left feeds - recreating tribalism where it has been successfully eradicated, and playing the tribes off against each other.

    We won't get far in either battle without understanding this dynamic.

    1. Excellent observation.

      One could even make a case that losing that sense of tribalism can be fatal to a society. When its diversity uber alles, how do you tell who the 'other' is in your midst who wants to do you harm?

    2. Baysider, right wing fundamentalists never forment tribalism, correct?

      The Old Testament is nothing BUT tribalism.

      It allows ANYTHING to be done to those outside the tribe.
      Myself, I feel the left understands the wisdom of trying to expand the tribe.

    3. Duck,
      The Old Testament is nothing BUT tribalism.

      And regional peace? When? For how long?

      Two differences today: world travel within hours and, of course, the weaponry available.

    4. Ducky, learn the OT and then comment. If we actually read the OT we surmise that God hated Jews, too, correct? ;-) A deeper understanding's needed.
      Try to step back from your snide comment and pay attention to Baysider's words........too easy to write it all off for the tiniest thing you disagree with.

      Baysider, I have tried SO HARD to wake people up to an Arab mentality, which I know well.......sadly, a lot of Americans feel everybody thinks the same and they act on it; our CIA and FBI seem to. They're so dumb they teach high Arabic to our spies. One word out of their mouth, and the Arabs know they're from the Monterey language Institute.

    5. "It's time to admit that the idea of a chosen people is just something primitive tribes used to give themselves a leg up in the days when the snake could talk."

      --- Joseph Campbell

      I think there's a good deal of wisdom there.

    6. @ Ducky: "right wing fundamentalists never foment tribalism" How did you come to that conclusion?

      Z's right. Get familiar with the O.T. then comment. "It allows ANYTHING to be done to those outside the tribe." This is just patently false. In fact, the OT has inclusive allowances and patient forbearance/toleration of those outside Israel. How the heck do you think the Moabitess Ruth ever got into the line of David? Or Hager and young Ishmael were succored by God and given promises of a future? Or Elijah led to save a Gentile widow and her son? Or why did God send a prophet to Gentiles (and exceedingly wicked ones at that) to open a door? And boy did Jesus tick off the religious rulers/clans of HIS day by pointing out that God has always reached out beyond the tribe to bring people to Him. Happily (for me) He still does!

  11. SF,
    About your comment @ May 26, 2015 at 9:28:00 AM EDT....

    I have come to many of the same conclusions as you have.

    Which side is Obama on? Who can tell? My own best guess is that he wants to remake the world by standing against and somehow reversing the various outcomes of Western colonialism. The problem, of course, is that one can never reverse outcomes of past history -- particularly a period of history as long as that of Western colonialism.

  12. As we sit back and watch the tribal warfare continue, where do they stop? What country? No doubt they will be similar to Germany. I am sure when they have enough of blood letting and other sordid primitive methods of warfare they will simply stop and say enough is enough. Wasn't that the theory regarding Germany prior to and during the beginning of WWII? What am I missing?

    1. Bunkerville,
      As we sit back and watch the tribal warfare continue, where do they stop? What country? No doubt they will be similar to Germany.

      The desire for power and control does seem to transcend national borders -- as you have pointed out.

      There are no easy answers to what we're discussing here. It's like playing Whack-A-Mole!

  13. Baysider,
    We must remember that the American growth in freedom is not nature's way. It's only natural to us, but an aberration to others.

    Excellent point!

    It seems to me that all our best intentions with nation-building in the Middle East have resulted in disasters. For one thing, self-government cannot be imposed from the top down; it must come from the bottom up. In tribal cultures, such a movement (from the bottom up) is chaotic and often has a different outcome from that which was intended.

  14. AOW: Just to be clear, I didn't make that statement to suggest Obama is traitorous; rather, that he and his foreign policy JV team have no idea what they are doing.

    The ME is a confusing, tangled up mess, and Obama and his freshman debating society are in way over their heads.

  15. Duck and Baysider,
    I read this (one link left above) and found myself nodding my head in agreement. I can't say, however, that I agree with this portion:

    If this strategy succeeds, the world will be forced to turn a new leaf in the history of terrorism and nation-building, because the Islamic State will have provided a workable solution to the dilemma of terrorism.

    Sounds good, but I personally don't see that as the long-term and beneficial outcome.

  16. SF,
    The ME is a confusing, tangled up mess, and Obama and his freshman debating society are in way over their heads.

    In my view, that is because Obama's team is looking for unicorns to come over the rise. I don't believe that such is going to be the case. Is it ever the case when the world is in a state of upheaval? I don't see historical precedent for the unicorns -- but I do see precedents for tyrannies of several ilks to arise to combat the chaose.

  17. A reply to the posted article

    Now, whom to believe. Myself, Judicial Watch has a pretty lousy track record so it's best to at least be skeptical.

    1. And Chamberlain thought Hitler wasn't such a bad guy, too. Things change.
      Leftwingers polled are now suggesting Bush is worse than Stalin....Now there's a lousy track record of opinion for you.

    2. Worse than Stalin?

      I think Bush ws an utter disaster and a stooge but he has nothing in his portfolio like the Holodormor or Yezhovshchina.

      All he did was have Uncle Dick and Auntie Condo get the NYT to publish ginned up intelligence.

      Something you read on Breitbart?

    3. Thanks, I haven't read Breitbart in ages and I appreciate the reminder.
      You need to open your mind, too. Not good to keep buying only your brand of Koolaid.
      And it's starting to show.

  18. As I was cleaning out some dead links in my blogroll, I stumbled across this: Authenticated Video Foretold Islamic State was a US Creation Long before Released Documents Did.

    I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the above, but I hope that others in this thread will scrutinize the link and weigh in here.

    1. I believe it is essentially true, but rather than being the brainchild of nefarious CIA plotters doing the bidding to shadowy oligarchs, it is the result of stumbling US incompetence.

      The first mistake was unceremoniously cashiering Saddam's army officers. Those who survive are now working for ISIS.

      The second bad outcome from our invasion was the empowered Shia majority taking bloody revenge on the hated Sunnis, driving said Sunnis into the arms of terrorist co-religionists.

      I don't know if our government was naive, stupid or careless in funding, arming and training parts of ISIS. I doubt it was deliberate.

      The most likely explanation is that Obama's foreign policy JV team had unicorns in their eyes when dealing with the Syrian rebels. Despite the piles of BS emanating from the White House and the State Department, there was no way to vet any of those groups. They probably presented themselves as rebels, and then went over to ISIS as ISIS gained power. They're all sympatico anyway when it comes to extremism.

    2. The problem we face in arming alleged Syrian "moderates" is that all of these groups have had a history of shifting allegiances. The Free Syrian Army has often cooperated with al Nusra Front for example. Arming and training any of them, is arming and training all of them by proxy.

  19. You'll be happy and proud to know your president has finally given this mission a name - Operation No Strategy. And if you're non-moslem, be sure to keep a lookout for man made climate change. I can't begin to tell you how bad that is because it is non-existent.

    1. OPERATION NO STRATEGY....I'm dying here laughing! Good one, Kid.
      But SO sad, truly.
      Can't tick off his lib base, can't fight terrorists too hard...can't listen to the experts. yikes

    2. Whatya think, kid?

      Troops going in there with guns blazing.
      Seems a little ham fisted and it didn't really work the last time we gave you guy's the wheel.

    3. Ducky's right. Give Obama a chance.

      Defense Department just announce they're sending in a fleet of solar powered submarines and two brigades of wind powered tanks.

      Go Army! Go Green!

    4. @SF,

      "Defense Department just announce they're sending in a fleet of solar powered submarines and two brigades of wind powered tanks."

      That sounds provocative to me!

  20. The World is facing simultaneous plagues: Islam and Liberalism. Both seem to be advancing at warp speed! B.O. is, clearly, the Enabler-in-Chief.

    1. It got worse recently, Berg.

      Pope Francis beatified Archbishp Romero.
      I don't know if he mentionioned Saint Ronnie Raygun's hired assassin and foreign policy advisor Roberto D'Aubuisson.

      The Holy Father kinda spit in Raygun's face.

    2. Ducky the Carterrhoid, addled in his dotage, keeps forgetting D'Aubisson had Archbishop Romero assassinated during Jimmy Peanut-brain Carter's administration.

      So, that would make D'Aubisson Carter's hired assassin, unless of course that diabolically powerful Reagan was directing nefarious actions around the globe from the campaign trail.

      Ducky??? Hello? Come back!

    3. Ducky,
      Your flat-out lies damage your standing and credibility. We know you're too smart to be mistaken, so that makes you a leftwing propagandist. Worse, it reveals your sneering contempt for us.

      If you insist on continuing to traffic in the vilest leftwing idiocies, I recommend the Democrat Underground; they're right up your ally. All the humor of a toothach and all the intelligence and coherence of a stoned-out pothead.

    4. Well, live and learn.

      Point taken, the Romero assassination was at the tail end of the Carter aonnie's administration.

      Or maybe you think Honduras, Guatemala and Salvodor were better off for Raygun's tender ministrations.

    5. Keep pitchin', Ducky.....switch to another subject so you feel you won :-)

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  21. Yes, AOW, I don't swallow that thought either (If this strategy succeeds). I do think her name was a good referral, and very interesting analysis for the most part.

  22. Ducky,

    Yes. Central America is better off. Thanks to not just Reagan, but people like Oscar Arias and OAS and UN types who mediated the conflicts and brought them to an end. The warring factions fight it out in the political arena now. How can that not be better?

    FMLN has won legitimate elections and now are in power in El Salvador. Been down there lately?

    You communist friends the Sandis, led by child-rapist Danny Ortega are back in power in Nicaragua, so see? It all worked out in the end.

  23. Careful SF, legitimacy is a word we've lately left to the "Carter Center" to define.

  24. ...and until the Sandanistas make a sizable donation to the Clinton Foundation, the Carter Center may refuse to recert them.

  25. Regarding what was put out by Judicial Watch, it is worth reading. But then the obvious question must be asked. Is intelligence "chatter" (message traffic) in the same category as policy? Nope. To be sure of who aligns with whom, track the money. The money trail identifies the stakeholders in the game. If we have funded ISIS in her various reincarnations, we have a stake in the game.

    As for me, I prefer we not engage in weapons trafficking for regional conflicts. These things open a Pandora's Box for opportunism and exploitation by unknown entities or entities over which we have no real control nor legal jurisdiction.

    The Last English Prince


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