I linked to you today; Am eager to hear what your commenters might have to say. This video Mustang found and published yesterday is a real winner...I'm glad a few of us are featuring it; people need to see it and send it and FaceBook it, etc.... Thanks, AOW. Here's to some grand conversation.
I especially enjoy the montage of Obama Marx Lenin and Che. That's a pretty good tip off that you are dealing with someone who wouldn't know state capitalism from democratic socialism.
Abject ignorance and videos like that only continue to seriously dumb down the far right.
Once again I'll ask why none of you on the right opened your mouth when Saint Ronnie Raygun was running up huge deficits at double digit interest rates but get your knickers in a knot when Obama borrows below the inflation rate.
When you can speak of even rudimentary economics let me know.
You got the foundation for the current string of equity bubbles which came on the hels of Clintoon's compounding the errors of Reagan supply side deregulation.
Supply side teory has been an abject failure for anyone who does not have the ability to profit from the expanding bubble. In other words, the middle class i left holding the bag and at the same time champion one of the architects of this cycle.
Nobody is lamenting the collapse of the Soviet union and very few are advocating a centrally planned economy.
Your class fallacy of the excluded middle. Again, you're making a fool of yourself.
I bet you just giggled silly when that graphic of Marx, Lenin, and Che morphed with Obama. While your slapping yourself on the back remember it's a sure sign that you are someone not ready for adult debate.
@AOW -- Neither left nor right is blameless.
Absolutely, Because there no longer is an economic left and right. It's all corporatism.
American politics is people screaming at each other about gay marriage and abortion. Meanwhile the privatization of our institutions proceeds apace.
European democratic socialism where government confiscates over 60% of your wages one way or another?
Germany's government enjoys an efficiency that the dictatorial clods in our government, who think we are all a** holes, could never dream of achieving.
Go complain to the progressives you elected about corporatism, and see how far you get.
The nutroots stood up and cheered Chief Ch!tting Bull Warren, even though she supports the crony crapitalist Ex Im Bank.
Finally, you don't think leftwingers like Obama draw from the intellectual traditions of those people? They sure as hell ain't reading Hayek or Thomas Friedman
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today that Israel would complete its goal of destroying Hamas' network of tunnels with or without a cease-fire. He said before a Cabinet meeting that this was just the first phase of the demilitarization of Gaza.
Duck, Do you really believe that Israel deliberately set out to bomb sleeping children in the UN refugee shelters?
Look. Gaza started this latest war -- with no hope of winning militarily. Also, those huge fireballs that often go up indicate that Israel's strikes are targeting ammo dumps. Such targeting is a winning strategy, and Israel has the technology to wipe out many of those ammo dumps.
Furthermore, if someone were lobbing grenades into your residence, would you not do something to stop the attack?
...“Hamas chooses to use these protected areas for military purposes in order to shield itself from IDF strikes,” the Israeli Defense Forces said this week. “And to draw international condemnation of Israel if the IDF is forced to respond.”...
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For years, Hamas has “planned carefully for a major Israeli invasion,” according to a Washington Institute for Near East Policy report. In addition to an elaborate tunnel system, there was the “integral use of civilians and civilian facilities as cover for its military activity; schools, mosques, hospitals, and civilian housing became weapons storage facilities, Hamas headquarters, and fighting positions … IDF imagery and combat intelligence revealed extensive use of civilian facilities.”...
Therefore, I will not condemn Israel for this present war.
Israel is pursuing a defensive course against a terrorist organization (Hamas) that has declared openly it does not want to coexist with the state of Israel. Translation, Hamas and Palestine wants the extermination of the Jewish people.
Darned if the UN hasn't chastised Hamas for planting children in 3 UN schools. If you can't win by military power, get your children killed or maimed so the leftwing media will broadcast the terrible sad pictures around the world. When all you really have to do is CLOSE THE TUNNELS.
Now, what you are probably referring to and don't have the guts to link to for debate is the matter where Hamas did store rockets in two abandoned shelters.
There isn't any record of Hamas ever storing weapons in active shelters. Despite that, the crack IDF showing us what it can do against unarmed children decided to shell a shelter at night after it had repeatedly been sent the coordinates.
Z, In the broadcast media, I've heard little about the U.N.'s chastisement of Hamas for what you mentioned. Did I miss any such chastisements to anywhere near the point of the underlying meme of "the evil Israelis, who bomb schools"?
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon directly accused Israel of shelling a U.N.-protected shelter housing more than 3,000 Palestinians in Gaza as part of what he said was an “outrageous” and “unjustifiable” strike that left at least 16 civilians dead and lent urgency to the need for an “immediate, unconditional cease-fire.”...
Terrorists emerged from a tunnel shaft, and a suicide bomber detonated himself in the vicinity of soldiers. Heavy exchanges of fire ensued, before one of the IDF soldiers was kidnapped, a senior army source said.
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Some of the tunnels reportedly have entrances inside UN facilities, so American taxpayers paid indirectly for Hamas to build these tunnels in two ways — by paying aid to the Palestinians that gets diverted by Hamas, and by paying for the UN’s upkeep.
GAZA CITY — Less than three hours after a three-day humanitarian cease-fire between Israel and Hamas went into effect Friday, the truce broke down when clashes between Israeli forces and Hamas fighters erupted and militants fired rockets into Israel.
Gaza militants captured an Israeli officer in the southern Gaza Strip just as the cease-fire was falling apart, said a senior Israeli military spokesman. Two other Israeli soldiers were reported killed.
A top Hamas official in Cairo confirmed the abduction but said it was carried out before the truce began....
Bunkerville, BHO is trying to promote a move to impeachment -- before the 2014 National Election, if possible.
It's a win-win for BHO.
If he's not impeached, he will continue on with tyranny by pen. If he's impeached, the American people will be furious that "the first African-American" President was persecuted via impeachment.
Just as folks were FINALLY waking up to what Obama's been doing and the witheringly insulting crap out of his mouth is beginning to sound unpresidential even to leftwingers, the lawsuit comes; fodder for Obama to mock and scoff when, really, if the media were honest, everybody in the country would be for anything that might stop him. By the way...those SCOTUS edicts telling him he overstepped?.....have those things been overturned or he couldn't care less? ya, the second. you're right.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today that Israel would complete its goal of destroying Hama’s network of tunnels with or without a cease-fire, and with or without the help and approval of the UN, or America. And I for one agree with Prime Minister Netanyahu. Hamas has a kill all Jew, and Israelis agenda. They have made themselves very clear about that! And then kill Jews everywhere else, as they have also made very clear. . Hamas planned a massive attack on Rosh Hashana. What are the tunnels used for? They had this plan for the Jewish New Year, AKA Rosha Shunna, in September, to kidnap thousands of Israelis and kill them by coming thru these Tunnels in a massive attack. They plotted to co-ordinate their attack with a Hezbollah attack coming from the north. These are some of the biggest terrorists in the World that would be joining together for no other reason but to kill jews. When an enemy commits war crimes by firing rockets deliberately aimed at civilians, and plans to destroy every Israeli, self defense has no limitation on proportionality. There is no proportion necessary when your opponent is trying to kill you and your family. Hamas admits that so far, only a fraction of its tunnels have been destroyed by the IDF. Israel must of necessity, as a matter of survival, continue its operation until all tunnels are disabled. It is already well known that many of these Tunnels have been packed with explosives. The tunnels can be up to 90 feet underground and reinforced with concrete, a scarce commodity in Gaza, where most imports of construction material are banned by Israel except for very special internationally supervised projects. It is therefore shocking for critics to say that Israel should immediately stop. Stop and allow rockets to be fired at its citizens every day and night? Stop taking measured action designed to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties? In other words, allow another Holocaust. Israel MUST ignore the whining, politically correct bleeding heart leftist’s who seem to approve of the rockets being launched at them on a daily basis, and do what must be done, once and for all. It’s time to eliminate these terrorists once and for all. I say that matters have gotten so bad there, that in the face of criticism of Israel regardless of how moral it tries to be, the IDF needs to take off restraints to get the operation over much more quickly, and without putting its soldiers into harms way to help prevent Palestinian casualties because such efforts are criticized anyway. The one benefit of this tragedy is that these anti-Semites of the world are being clearly revealed for what they are.
Obama’s response to any serious situation including the current one in the Middle East, and the situation in Russia as well is always a bad decision. A bad decision to be followed by Lies, Lies, and More Lies It has became clear to most people that are paying any attention to what has been going on that Obama has told so many lies that whatever he says now is deemed to be worthless. Let’s face the facts, we have a inept, lame duck, spineless president... Remember That On The Next Election Day!
Say "We are a shallow, childish people preoccupied with trivia, malicious gossip, and the mindless pursuit of sensual pleasure," instead of "We are an unserious people."
UNSERIOUS appears only in FOUR online dictionaries. That suggests to me it must be a recent coinage, and therefore the result of having been duncified or "dumbed down." While its meaning may be clear, it is still an inelegant, and therefore second-rate, term.
FRIVOLOUS would, indeed, be much the better choice for a one-word description of what we have become in the this the era of our steep decline and Imminent fall.
The descriptive phrase I suggested most fully explained what SF meant to convey to the ignorant majority. One of my best professors advised us to write as hough everyone reading you were, ignorant, lazy, incurious and dull-witted. In that way, he said, your readers can't possibly escape your meaning.
I have found that to be good advice over many years, but latterly we've gone so far downhill in the twin areas of language use and reading comprehension, I sadly realize that English as I knew, loved and was taught it, has gone the way of the Chaucerian and Elizabethan forms of the language.
Linguistic evolution is, of course, inevitable and to a certain extent desirable. We must keep up with the times after all, but what has happened to us in the last fifty years is the result of deliberate, ruthless, politically motivated sabotage. And so I shall fight for better usage till the death mercifully claims me.
So, I am in fact DEADLY serious in writing my suggestions.
I am posting this on FB too. Most people don't comment on my politics except one. he is a bit whacked so this should put her over the edge. One time she did a post saying Obamcare is better than "I don't Care" and I commented Obamacare "is" I don't Care.
Mr. AOW is from Southern California. However, he left there at age 16 (boarding school) and a few years later for military service. He never returned to Southern California after 1971.
My sister-in-law is the only left winger in the entire family.
I need to tell you that I know very many conservative Californians and, as you probably know, there are plenty of very Conservative congressmen, state senators, etc. While this is a liberal state, we did elect plenty of conservative governors in the past and I believe people are getting ready to do so again, except for the HUGE bucks the libs here raise for their lib opponents. Yes, I live in a part of California that's largely liberal, but you'd all be very surprised. Please let's not forget the huge amount of liberals up and down the East Coast and even small towns in Indiana. Believe me. We have it very good here and people forget what makes our country run and get hung up with their liberal guilt of being rich, etc., but....let's not keep up the drumbeat that California seems to be the only state with liberals, or the only state worth bashing for them? !! Every once in a while, I just have to speak up.
Z, All of Mr. AOW's family members still live in Southern California. All are political conservatives -- except the one sister-in-law whom I mentioned above.
Not sure what happened with her. She attended private Christian schools through high school, I think.
Of course, we are loaded with liberals and Leftists here in Northern Virginia.
But I must say that almost everybody whom I personally know from Southern California are rabid about environmentalism -- including the otherwise political conservatives.
The Conservatives I know are rabid about environmentalism, too...that we need to slow down and see what REALLY works and what doesn't, and not to destroy our economy in the misguided efforts when they won't even look at the scientists who are coming forward saying the fear mongering is total BS.
It is sad, very sad actually that ALL discussions, regardless of subject ultimately are reduced to Obama Derangement Bashing. Silver is right, we are NOT a serious people.
Having said the above, I sign on for supporting fiscal conservatism, fiscal responsibility, and fiscal sanity. I do so willingly and happily.
Unfortunately the socon fundie, anti personal liberty, crony capitalism, NRA sanctioned nuttery, manipulation of the media, and so much more BS is attached to the present day so called "conservatism" it makes it VERY difficult to vote straight line conservative.
It's all about power and control regardless of party and the American people are being played and duped by both. It is part of the design. Keep America divided, distracted and arguing over everything and the elites in the two party system and the business community stay comfortably entrenched in control and power.
Blind partisanship reigns and it runs both ways. Silver is indeed astute in his "... we are an unserious people ..." remark. Although I'm not sure the depth and breadth of the problem is really understood.
Sorry, but I just HATE background "music" of this sort. Not only is it distracting, it sounds like an amateurish imitation of the kind of stuff they used for "The Omen " -- i.e. a sensationalistic appeal to raw, fear-based emotion, and therefore, turns a quasi-earnest pastiche of this sort into arrant propaganda.
Ah, propaganda indeed. It is what true partisans of ALL political ideologies engage in. As they eagerly point fingers at their opponents, expecting their adherents to march in lockstep with them.
RN, The phenomenon of expecting their adherents to march in lockstep with them applies to more than propagandists and has done so since time immemorial. Human nature? I think so.
"The federal budget outlook will continue to improve this year, with the deficit projected to shrink to $514 billion — the lowest level since President Barack Obama took office."
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Translation: This is a personal best for the reckless big spender Obama. He still hasn't brought it down to President Bush's levels, who, while a profligate spender himself, looks downright fiscally responsible next to Obama's wild money-wasting.
"The federal budget outlook will continue to improve this year, with the deficit projected to shrink to $514 billion — the lowest level since President Barack Obama took office."
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Translation: This is a personal best for the reckless big spender Obama. He still hasn't brought it down to President Bush's levels, who, while a profligate spender himself, looks downright fiscally responsible next to Obama's wild money-wasting.
Is there such a thing as "human nature" AOW? According Sarte there isn't. I'm not convinced he's right. I'm beginning to think irrational thought is human nature.
That's been a topic over at Silverfiddle's today. Somehow Dada came to the front.
For a movement which went so far to avoid reason they were very, very serious. It didn't have a well developed manifesto like Surrealism but it was time, especially with Freud at work, to put away the idea that man could ever be a completely rational animal.
Trying to be would only see you wind up immobile like Gulliver upset that he could never be a Houyhnhnm.
Ducky: It wasn't an attack on Dadaism, but rather a frame of reference to launch my attack on today's buffoons who are running it all into the ground. Hence my label, Blablaism.
Les:
There is such a thing as human nature. Read any philosophy from any time and culture, and you will see similarities in observations on human behavior.
Why would you be surprised at irrational thought, any more than seeing someone stub their toe?
One constant that wise people throughout history have observed is that reason is the slave of passion. Shakespeare's plays are shot through with it.
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"Man is said to be a reasoning animal. I do not know why he has not been defined as an affective or feeling animal. Perhaps that which differentiates him from other animals is feeling rather than reason. More often I have seen a cat reason than laugh or weep. Perhaps it weeps or laughs inwardly—but then perhaps, also inwardly, the crab resolves equations of the second degree." -- Miguel de Unamumo, Tragic sense of Life
Why would you be surprised at irrational thought, any more than seeing someone stub their toe?
I am not. I observe irrationality ever day of my like.
So, the question for me would be, is reason and rational thought the nature of humans rather than irrational thought or is it irrational thought driven by emotion, biases, fears, desire for control, the desire to be one of then collective, etc, etc, etc... Or, is it the combination of both battling for the upper hand?
Sartre raised the question as to the existence of human nature, and argued against it.
As for me I simply observe. Lice's to short to do otherwise.
The Stock market goes down 320 points, Unemployment Rises, And the hilarious part is that the idiots and hypocrites are still are cheering for Obama.... I congratulate our Messiah, President Obama on his handling Putin and the Russians, the Middle East conflict, the booming Stock Market and Surging Economy...Great work sir!
I agree with Right is Right on all points, but the only part that is missing is the fact that most of these leftist morons do not even realize just how bad the economy situation really is. Do they ever mention that there are less people working now that even the lowest point of the Bush years? Or that there are more people on food stamps and welfare then ever before? And these are the same people that want to let 10's of thousands of ILLEGAL kids into the country so that their parents will follow and take away MORE jobs! Don’t you understand that? Wake up you simple minded Liberals...Our future is sadly now.
But I guess that they are more interested in Kim Kardashian Plastic Surgery !
The Dow lost 320 points? I wonder how many Americans just lost there retirement? And just yesterday every left winger was praising Obama, what happened? I guess that us Americans are troubled by the illegal criminal invaders. Who's going to pay for all of these criminals? I myself am taxed to the max there just ain't no more for me to give. But I bet that Moochelle ain’t gonna be cancelling her vacation!
”For those interested in a bit of perspective to Right is Rights's comment on the stock market drop.”
Yeah? So? What’s your point? Do you doubt anything that I said? Have you any questions about anything that I said? The Dow had it’s worst day since February, and the progressives are saying “We;; it was SO high it was bound to happen” No it was not bound to happen. It happened because of ALL the bad and negative news in America. It happened because of all the worries that have been building up for investors in recent weeks, and months and several of them came together yesterday, and that’s what prompted people to dump their stocks, FEAR of what may happen with Israel and Hamas, FEAR of what might happen with Russia and Obama’s pushing Vladimir Putin into a corner with his RIDICULOUS Sanctions. Sanction a superpower? That’s Crazy! FEAR of the future. Fear of what might happen with Obama’s leadership or lack of it.
Point? That is for you you to determine my friend, not I. But I'll give you a hint... if, and I suspect that is a big if, you took the time to look at the information contained in the link you got my point.
However, having said the above... It is true that partisans generally tend to ignore inconvenient truths for the sake of maintaining ideological purity.
It’s fruitless trying to have any kind of reasonable discussion with a liberal or even a libertarian for that matter. They both are nuts. I've had my share of listening to liberals and libertarians and trust me, never again. .I found it to be a total waste of time trying to reason with them on anything. Nothing you can say will ever get through to liberals, they don’t even hear what you are saying. They have a deaf ear to anything that doesn’t measure up to their PC way of thinking, or even consider a different idea.
Did you read the information included in the supplied link? I'm guessing you missed it.
I see no difference between the characteristics demonstrated by liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. They are all prone to deafness towards anything that doesn't measure up to their {PC} way of thinking.
People who actively consider different views and actually are willing to change their position, even when it may be the thinking of their political opponents are bipartisan. Something I have yet to see from you . Reader.
R is R is Right, Stop imposing those ridiculous sanctions on Russia!. They are meaningless. And it's making Obama look even more like a dummy then he already is. You can not impost sanction on a superpower. They don't need us and these sanctions are meaningless to them. It's only going to wind up hurting our own economy and not theirs.
I assume you meant impose rather than impost sanctions. In either one or more nations can in fact impose sanctions on another nation. Super power or not.
Whether said sanctions are advisable is a different matter and as in most things a matter of ones perspective, ie: opinion.
Obviously imposing sanctions should only be done when there is widespread support for them and the likelihood they will be effective is at better than 50/50.
Further, where may I ask did you arrive at the idea I supported the current sanctions? Personally I think this nation becomes involved much to often in regional affairs and nation building. On the other hand I believe it obvious what Putin's intent is... To resurrect the territorial reach and influence of the old USSR, albeit in different form. Something perhaps should give us pause.
Whoa, this is just nuts, a Liberal or a Libertarian, whatever he Rational Nation USA wants to call himself teaching us Conservatives about the Economy and or the Stock Market? Now I’ve seen it all. Maybe he knows something about the Venezuelan Stock Market, or about Obamaphones, but the American Stock market? LOL...It's mind-numbing... They can't even figure out whats causing Global Warming and he wants to talk about the Economy.!!
No, but as a business manager employed by a national manufacturing company with gross revenue of just shy of a billion dollars for 29 years and an additional 11 years with a global company I know a bit more than you might think.
And yes it is mind numbing that some folks refuse to challenge their age old paradigms. An associate of mine used to say... if you're still doing thinks the same way you were 30, 20, 10, hell, even 5 years ago you're probably doing it wrong .
Liberals exist in their own special world, contradictory to the rest of us. They hear what they want to hear, believe what they've been taught to believe and disregard all facts and logical arguments that don’t agree to their liberal programming. So to them... the Tea Party are just a bunch of racists. Obama is a GREAT LEADER, criticism of him is evidence of racism, guns are evil, more debt will make us more prosperous, immigrants are welcome no matter who or what, government handouts are great rights are what the government tells us they are, Moochers, Welfare milkers, Free loaders, and anyone else who will suck the life out of our society must be taken care of at all cost. etc., etc. and etc. Yeah, it's scary.
Liberals exist in their own special world, contradictory to the rest of us.
Really? Is there any data supporting your statement?
Further, Could the liberals not turn this towards conservatives if there is no data supporting this statement?
They hear what they want to hear, believe what they've been taught to believe and disregard all facts and logical arguments that don’t agree to their liberal programming.
Well by gosh, the the above statement most certainly applies to all without regard to any specific political ideology.
So to them... the Tea Party are just a bunch of racists. Obama is a GREAT LEADER, criticism of him is evidence of racism, guns are evil, more debt will make us more prosperous, immigrants are welcome no matter who or what, government handouts are great rights are what the government tells us they are, Moochers, Welfare milkers, Free loaders, and anyone else who will suck the life out of our society must be taken care of at all cost. etc., etc. and etc.
Talk about boilerplate hyperbole!!! Can there be any question whether you've drunk from to conservative kool aid chalice far too much and much too often?
You've had a while to think of something good to say as a come-back, but if thats the best that you can do, then I guess I'm playing with an amateur. So forgetaboutit, go back to the Progressive blog where you are appreciated. Over here your opinion isn't worth two cents. . .
I do not concern myself with appreciation by or from hyper partisans whether they be conservative or progressive.
I call em as I see em and if ya don't like the call? Oh well... I ain't tying to belong to a collective, either conservative or progressive. Truth is more important than acceptance from a partisan collective.
Great video! Truly. Am working a lot these days, and know I'm very late to the discussion. I need to echo Z's comments on California. It's true - in the PAST we had a lot of good options. Very few since George Deukmejian. I supported John Campbell for state office, e.g. And occasionally get behind some of the inner workings on the local party committee.
There was a time when you might actually think about what was happening at the state level and move in a different direction. My mother crossed party lines to vote for Ronald Reagan as governor in 1966. I still remember a slogan: Why Not an Actor? We've had a clown for the last 8 years. But after Reagan we elect the CLOWN'S SON ... TWICE!!! I don't think he's ever held a real job. We passed up a credible executive to put that dufus back in Sacramento recently.
I live in Soviet Monica where my choices have been between Sheila Kuhl and Marx, who is somewhat to her right. I'm actually supporting a Kennedy (Bobby Shriver) in a local county race against HER.
All of that to say, I am quietly working with a local group on a very local grassroots effort to get out the registration and vote of more sensible people - yes, even in the People's Republic.
What's often the last stanza of my favorite American revolutionary war song fits here: May God bring on that happy day When carnal swords no more shall slay And Christ as Prince of Peace shall reign And war be learned no more again.
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ReplyDeleteI linked to you today; Am eager to hear what your commenters might have to say. This video Mustang found and published yesterday is a real winner...I'm glad a few of us are featuring it; people need to see it and send it and FaceBook it, etc.... Thanks, AOW. Here's to some grand conversation.
ReplyDeleteZ,
DeleteI have now posted the video on my Facebook page. Not all of my friends there are political conservatives -- especially my sister-in-law.
Should be an interesting day on my Facebook page! I hope that a war doesn't break out!
I especially enjoy the montage of Obama Marx Lenin and Che.
DeleteThat's a pretty good tip off that you are dealing with someone who wouldn't know state capitalism from democratic socialism.
Abject ignorance and videos like that only continue to seriously dumb down the far right.
It is intensely disheartening.
Once again I'll ask why none of you on the right opened your mouth when Saint Ronnie Raygun was running up huge deficits at double digit interest rates but get your knickers in a knot when Obama borrows below the inflation rate.
DeleteWhen you can speak of even rudimentary economics let me know.
Duck,
DeleteI don't know that none of you on the right opened your mouth at that time.
As for borrowing below the inflation rate, the borrowing itself is a death spiral.
A death spiral on a nation level much like what happening with the housing boom -- and later crash -- here in America.
DeleteCertainly, much debt can be successfully carried. But there comes a natural end to such success.
... another tired, fatuous outburst from the Beantown Quacker...
DeleteAt least with President Reagan, we got jobs and a good economy out of it.
Silverfiddle,
DeleteAt least with President Reagan, we got jobs and a good economy out of it.
Indeed.
This household personally had a higher percentage of disposable income then, too. And it was quite easy to seek out better employment then. Not now.
WHAT A MESS WE ARE IN!
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DeleteA pity we can't respond directly to the responses as we can with DISQUS. Slowly-bu surely I am becoming a convert to DISQUS.
You got the foundation for the current string of equity bubbles which came on the hels of Clintoon's compounding the errors of Reagan supply side deregulation.
DeleteSupply side teory has been an abject failure for anyone who does not have the ability to profit from the expanding bubble.
In other words, the middle class i left holding the bag and at the same time champion one of the architects of this cycle.
Sheer madness.
Duck,
DeleteYou got the foundation for the current string of equity bubbles...
No argument there.
Neither the Left nor the Right is blameless, but I don't agree with this statement: Supply side teory [sic] has been an abject failure.
Supply side theory has devolved into such cronyism that it's mind boggling.
I say again that neither the Left nor the Right is blameless.
The point now is what to do about this mess.
Ducky's still lamenting the collapse of communism and their wildly successful centrally-planned economies that spread the misery.
DeleteSilverfiddle, stop making a fool of yourself.
DeleteNobody is lamenting the collapse of the Soviet union and very few are advocating a centrally planned economy.
Your class fallacy of the excluded middle. Again, you're making a fool of yourself.
I bet you just giggled silly when that graphic of Marx, Lenin, and Che morphed with Obama. While your slapping yourself on the back remember it's a sure sign that you are someone not ready for adult debate.
@AOW -- Neither left nor right is blameless.
Absolutely, Because there no longer is an economic left and right. It's all corporatism.
American politics is people screaming at each other about gay marriage and abortion.
Meanwhile the privatization of our institutions proceeds apace.
Well Ducky, then tell us what you mean.
DeleteEuropean democratic socialism where government confiscates over 60% of your wages one way or another?
Germany's government enjoys an efficiency that the dictatorial clods in our government, who think we are all a** holes, could never dream of achieving.
Go complain to the progressives you elected about corporatism, and see how far you get.
The nutroots stood up and cheered Chief Ch!tting Bull Warren, even though she supports the crony crapitalist Ex Im Bank.
Finally, you don't think leftwingers like Obama draw from the intellectual traditions of those people? They sure as hell ain't reading Hayek or Thomas Friedman
Duck,
DeleteSilverfiddle, stop making a fool of yourself.
No ad hominem barbs, please.
There are those still sticking up for this slug, and calling me a racist for pointing out his failures. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
ReplyDeleteSome GOOD news for a change!
ReplyDeleteLate Breaking News!
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today that Israel would complete its goal of destroying Hamas' network of tunnels with or without a cease-fire. He said before a Cabinet meeting that this was just the first phase of the demilitarization of Gaza.
He'll be dropping leaflets telling Gazans to evacuate and then he'll bomb sleeping children in the UN refugee shelters.
DeleteThe fringe right must be so proud of what they support.
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DeleteDuck,
DeleteDo you really believe that Israel deliberately set out to bomb sleeping children in the UN refugee shelters?
Look. Gaza started this latest war -- with no hope of winning militarily. Also, those huge fireballs that often go up indicate that Israel's strikes are targeting ammo dumps. Such targeting is a winning strategy, and Israel has the technology to wipe out many of those ammo dumps.
Furthermore, if someone were lobbing grenades into your residence, would you not do something to stop the attack?
SF,
DeleteWhy do Hamas put munitions in schools and hospitals, and launch rockets from populated neighborhoods?
See this in today's WaPo:
...“Hamas chooses to use these protected areas for military purposes in order to shield itself from IDF strikes,” the Israeli Defense Forces said this week. “And to draw international condemnation of Israel if the IDF is forced to respond.”...
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For years, Hamas has “planned carefully for a major Israeli invasion,” according to a Washington Institute for Near East Policy report. In addition to an elaborate tunnel system, there was the “integral use of civilians and civilian facilities as cover for its military activity; schools, mosques, hospitals, and civilian housing became weapons storage facilities, Hamas headquarters, and fighting positions … IDF imagery and combat intelligence revealed extensive use of civilian facilities.”...
Therefore, I will not condemn Israel for this present war.
SF,
DeleteEven more important question: Why to the Palestinians keep successive generations of their own people in refugee camps that date back to 1948?
By choice -- so as to ramp up sympathy for "the persecuted Palestinians." Pfffft.
Israel is pursuing a defensive course against a terrorist organization (Hamas) that has declared openly it does not want to coexist with the state of Israel. Translation, Hamas and Palestine wants the extermination of the Jewish people.
DeleteDarned if the UN hasn't chastised Hamas for planting children in 3 UN schools.
DeleteIf you can't win by military power, get your children killed or maimed so the leftwing media will broadcast the terrible sad pictures around the world. When all you really have to do is CLOSE THE TUNNELS.
How about a link, z.
DeleteYou've been known to be just a bit inaccurate.
Now, what you are probably referring to and don't have the guts to link to for debate is the matter where Hamas did store rockets in two abandoned shelters.
There isn't any record of Hamas ever storing weapons in active shelters. Despite that, the crack IDF showing us what it can do against unarmed children decided to shell a shelter at night after it had repeatedly been sent the coordinates.
Classic blame the victim.
AOW: Thanks for the responses, but I knew you knew the answers.
DeleteThose questions were for local dhimmi bulb Ducky.
Duck to Z,
DeleteIn the future, please refrain from asking us to spoon feed you. It's undignified
Please curb the snark.
Z,
DeleteIn the broadcast media, I've heard little about the U.N.'s chastisement of Hamas for what you mentioned. Did I miss any such chastisements to anywhere near the point of the underlying meme of "the evil Israelis, who bomb schools"?
FYI: MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough Accuses Israel Of “Killing Women And Children Indiscriminately”.
Delete**sigh**
Today, we also have this: US Shuts Down Tourist Visas For Israelis.
Duck and Z,
DeleteAbout the U.N.'s chastisement: U.N. Chief Accuses Israel Of Intentionally Bombing “Sleeping Children".
Excerpt:
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon directly accused Israel of shelling a U.N.-protected shelter housing more than 3,000 Palestinians in Gaza as part of what he said was an “outrageous” and “unjustifiable” strike that left at least 16 civilians dead and lent urgency to the need for an “immediate, unconditional cease-fire.”...
Silverfiddle, now try to still the mind and focus.
DeleteCan I please have a link demonstrating that rockets were stored in an active U.N. refugee shelter. Thank you.
Ducky:
DeleteYou are the only one who brought up up the "Israelis bombing Palestinians in UN shelters," so the burden is on you to bring proof.
Z mentioned the UN chastising Hamas for manipulating children, and then you asked for proof, which I provided.
Now, to cover your ignorance, you do the Carardo kabuki.
Z was right about the UN criticizing Hamas for putting children in harms way; you were proved demonstrably wrong.
There was a humanitarian truce called last night.
DeleteJust which side broke that truce?
I just read that Hamas broke the 3-day humanitarian ceasefire after 90 minutes.
DeleteFrom this source, dated August 1, 2014:
Terrorists emerged from a tunnel shaft, and a suicide bomber detonated himself in the vicinity of soldiers. Heavy exchanges of fire ensued, before one of the IDF soldiers was kidnapped, a senior army source said.
[...]
Some of the tunnels reportedly have entrances inside UN facilities, so American taxpayers paid indirectly for Hamas to build these tunnels in two ways — by paying aid to the Palestinians that gets diverted by Hamas, and by paying for the UN’s upkeep.
And in the WaPo today:
DeleteGAZA CITY — Less than three hours after a three-day humanitarian cease-fire between Israel and Hamas went into effect Friday, the truce broke down when clashes between Israeli forces and Hamas fighters erupted and militants fired rockets into Israel.
Gaza militants captured an Israeli officer in the southern Gaza Strip just as the cease-fire was falling apart, said a senior Israeli military spokesman. Two other Israeli soldiers were reported killed.
A top Hamas official in Cairo confirmed the abduction but said it was carried out before the truce began....
Hang on to our hats, he is just getting started. What you have shown is only the beginning. The Pen and Phone are at the ready.
ReplyDeleteBunkerville,
DeleteBHO is trying to promote a move to impeachment -- before the 2014 National Election, if possible.
It's a win-win for BHO.
If he's not impeached, he will continue on with tyranny by pen. If he's impeached, the American people will be furious that "the first African-American" President was persecuted via impeachment.
Just as folks were FINALLY waking up to what Obama's been doing and the witheringly insulting crap out of his mouth is beginning to sound unpresidential even to leftwingers, the lawsuit comes; fodder for Obama to mock and scoff when, really, if the media were honest, everybody in the country would be for anything that might stop him.
DeleteBy the way...those SCOTUS edicts telling him he overstepped?.....have those things been overturned or he couldn't care less? ya, the second. you're right.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today that Israel would complete its goal of destroying Hama’s network of tunnels with or without a cease-fire, and with or without the help and approval of the UN, or America. And I for one agree with Prime Minister Netanyahu.
ReplyDeleteHamas has a kill all Jew, and Israelis agenda. They have made themselves very clear about that! And then kill Jews everywhere else, as they have also made very clear. . Hamas planned a massive attack on Rosh Hashana. What are the tunnels used for? They had this plan for the Jewish New Year, AKA Rosha Shunna, in September, to kidnap thousands of Israelis and kill them by coming thru these Tunnels in a massive attack. They plotted to co-ordinate their attack with a Hezbollah attack coming from the north. These are some of the biggest terrorists in the World that would be joining together for no other reason but to kill jews.
When an enemy commits war crimes by firing rockets deliberately aimed at civilians, and plans to destroy every Israeli, self defense has no limitation on proportionality. There is no proportion necessary when your opponent is trying to kill you and your family. Hamas admits that so far, only a fraction of its tunnels have been destroyed by the IDF. Israel must of necessity, as a matter of survival, continue its operation until all tunnels are disabled. It is already well known that many of these Tunnels have been packed with explosives. The tunnels can be up to 90 feet underground and reinforced with concrete, a scarce commodity in Gaza, where most imports of construction material are banned by Israel except for very special internationally supervised projects.
It is therefore shocking for critics to say that Israel should immediately stop. Stop and allow rockets to be fired at its citizens every day and night? Stop taking measured action designed to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties? In other words, allow another Holocaust.
Israel MUST ignore the whining, politically correct bleeding heart leftist’s who seem to approve of the rockets being launched at them on a daily basis, and do what must be done, once and for all. It’s time to eliminate these terrorists once and for all.
I say that matters have gotten so bad there, that in the face of criticism of Israel regardless of how moral it tries to be, the IDF needs to take off restraints to get the operation over much more quickly, and without putting its soldiers into harms way to help prevent Palestinian casualties because such efforts are criticized anyway.
The one benefit of this tragedy is that these anti-Semites of the world are being clearly revealed for what they are.
Obama’s response to any serious situation including the current one in the Middle East, and the situation in Russia as well is always a bad decision. A bad decision to be followed by Lies, Lies, and More Lies
ReplyDeleteIt has became clear to most people that are paying any attention to what has been going on that Obama has told so many lies that whatever he says now is deemed to be worthless. Let’s face the facts, we have a inept, lame duck, spineless president...
Remember That On The Next Election Day!
We are an unserious people, and President Obama is our Clown Prince.
ReplyDeleteThe Syntax Squadron suggests
DeleteSay "We are a shallow, childish people preoccupied with trivia, malicious gossip, and the mindless pursuit of sensual pleasure," instead of "We are an unserious people."
Unserious suggests those things.
DeleteThe word also suggests frivolous -- in the legal sense.
The Syntax Squadron suggests
DeleteUNSERIOUS appears only in FOUR online dictionaries. That suggests to me it must be a recent coinage, and therefore the result of having been duncified or "dumbed down." While its meaning may be clear, it is still an inelegant, and therefore second-rate, term.
unserious: Oxford Dictionaries [home, info]
unserious: Collins English Dictionary [home, info]
unserious: Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary, 11th Edition [home, info]
Unserious, unserious: Wordnik [home, info]
FRIVOLOUS would, indeed, be much the better choice for a one-word description of what we have become in the this the era of our steep decline and Imminent fall.
The descriptive phrase I suggested most fully explained what SF meant to convey to the ignorant majority. One of my best professors advised us to write as hough everyone reading you were, ignorant, lazy, incurious and dull-witted. In that way, he said, your readers can't possibly escape your meaning.
I have found that to be good advice over many years, but latterly we've gone so far downhill in the twin areas of language use and reading comprehension, I sadly realize that English as I knew, loved and was taught it, has gone the way of the Chaucerian and Elizabethan forms of the language.
Linguistic evolution is, of course, inevitable and to a certain extent desirable. We must keep up with the times after all, but what has happened to us in the last fifty years is the result of deliberate, ruthless, politically motivated sabotage. And so I shall fight for better usage till the death mercifully claims me.
So, I am in fact DEADLY serious in writing my suggestions.
I am posting this on FB too. Most people don't comment on my politics except one. he is a bit whacked so this should put her over the edge.
ReplyDeleteOne time she did a post saying Obamcare is better than "I don't Care" and I commented Obamacare "is" I don't Care.
Lisa,
DeleteSo far, all is quiet on my Facebook page today. My sister-in-law may not be up yet; she lives in Southern California.
keep us posted AOW ,should be intersting. How unusual California,lol
ReplyDeleteMr. AOW is from Southern California. However, he left there at age 16 (boarding school) and a few years later for military service. He never returned to Southern California after 1971.
DeleteMy sister-in-law is the only left winger in the entire family.
Lisa,
DeleteBTW, on Monday I will be posting about the conundrum of my sister-in-law.
I need to tell you that I know very many conservative Californians and, as you probably know, there are plenty of very Conservative congressmen, state senators, etc. While this is a liberal state, we did elect plenty of conservative governors in the past and I believe people are getting ready to do so again, except for the HUGE bucks the libs here raise for their lib opponents.
DeleteYes, I live in a part of California that's largely liberal, but you'd all be very surprised.
Please let's not forget the huge amount of liberals up and down the East Coast and even small towns in Indiana. Believe me.
We have it very good here and people forget what makes our country run and get hung up with their liberal guilt of being rich, etc., but....let's not keep up the drumbeat that California seems to be the only state with liberals, or the only state worth bashing for them?
!! Every once in a while, I just have to speak up.
Z,
DeleteAll of Mr. AOW's family members still live in Southern California. All are political conservatives -- except the one sister-in-law whom I mentioned above.
Not sure what happened with her. She attended private Christian schools through high school, I think.
Of course, we are loaded with liberals and Leftists here in Northern Virginia.
But I must say that almost everybody whom I personally know from Southern California are rabid about environmentalism -- including the otherwise political conservatives.
Strange.
The Conservatives I know are rabid about environmentalism, too...that we need to slow down and see what REALLY works and what doesn't, and not to destroy our economy in the misguided efforts when they won't even look at the scientists who are coming forward saying the fear mongering is total BS.
DeleteEnjoying the drought, z.
DeleteMy suggestion is that you don't empty the aquifer.
They take a long time to fill. A long time.
It is sad, very sad actually that ALL discussions, regardless of subject ultimately are reduced to Obama Derangement Bashing. Silver is right, we are NOT a serious people.
ReplyDeleteHaving said the above, I sign on for supporting fiscal conservatism, fiscal responsibility, and fiscal sanity. I do so willingly and happily.
Unfortunately the socon fundie, anti personal liberty, crony capitalism, NRA sanctioned nuttery, manipulation of the media, and so much more BS is attached to the present day so called "conservatism" it makes it VERY difficult to vote straight line conservative.
It's all about power and control regardless of party and the American people are being played and duped by both. It is part of the design. Keep America divided, distracted and arguing over everything and the elites in the two party system and the business community stay comfortably entrenched in control and power.
Blind partisanship reigns and it runs both ways. Silver is indeed astute in his "... we are an unserious people ..." remark. Although I'm not sure the depth and breadth of the problem is really understood.
RN,
DeleteIt is sad, very sad actually that ALL discussions, regardless of subject ultimately are reduced to Obama Derangement Bashing.
In my view, the frustrations are justified. Obama's arrogance is reason enough. Sheesh.
Sorry, but I just HATE background "music" of this sort. Not only is it distracting, it sounds like an amateurish imitation of the kind of stuff they used for "The Omen " -- i.e. a sensationalistic appeal to raw, fear-based emotion, and therefore, turns a quasi-earnest pastiche of this sort into arrant propaganda.
ReplyDeleteFT,
DeleteWell, different strokes for different folks when it comes to musical preferences.
One can always turn down the sound. Most of the time, I have my sound completely off.
Ah, propaganda indeed. It is what true partisans of ALL political ideologies engage in. As they eagerly point fingers at their opponents, expecting their adherents to march in lockstep with them.
ReplyDeleteRN,
DeleteThe phenomenon of expecting their adherents to march in lockstep with them applies to more than propagandists and has done so since time immemorial. Human nature? I think so.
I don't think the technique has changed so much as the reach of media has become so much more extensive and controlled.
DeleteDuck,
Deletethe reach of media has become so much more extensive and controlled
Agreed.
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ReplyDeleteVulgar language -- comment removed.
DeleteAhem... From the story:
Delete"The federal budget outlook will continue to improve this year, with the deficit projected to shrink to $514 billion — the lowest level since President Barack Obama took office."
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Translation: This is a personal best for the reckless big spender Obama. He still hasn't brought it down to President Bush's levels, who, while a profligate spender himself, looks downright fiscally responsible next to Obama's wild money-wasting.
SF,
DeleteThanks for parsing that. Not that what you say to Obama supporters will matter one whit.
Budget deficit shrinks to lowest level under Obama...since taking office.
ReplyDeleteAhem... From the story:
Delete"The federal budget outlook will continue to improve this year, with the deficit projected to shrink to $514 billion — the lowest level since President Barack Obama took office."
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Translation: This is a personal best for the reckless big spender Obama. He still hasn't brought it down to President Bush's levels, who, while a profligate spender himself, looks downright fiscally responsible next to Obama's wild money-wasting.
(we know it's you, Lester)
Is there such a thing as "human nature" AOW? According Sarte there isn't. I'm not convinced he's right. I'm beginning to think irrational thought is human nature.
ReplyDeleteThat's been a topic over at Silverfiddle's today.
DeleteSomehow Dada came to the front.
For a movement which went so far to avoid reason they were very, very serious. It didn't have a well developed manifesto like Surrealism but it was time, especially with Freud at work, to put away the idea that man could ever be a completely rational animal.
Trying to be would only see you wind up immobile like Gulliver upset that he could never be a Houyhnhnm.
RN,
DeleteIs there such a thing as "human nature" AOW?
IMO, yes -- to a certain extent.
Ducky: It wasn't an attack on Dadaism, but rather a frame of reference to launch my attack on today's buffoons who are running it all into the ground. Hence my label, Blablaism.
DeleteLes:
There is such a thing as human nature. Read any philosophy from any time and culture, and you will see similarities in observations on human behavior.
Why would you be surprised at irrational thought, any more than seeing someone stub their toe?
One constant that wise people throughout history have observed is that reason is the slave of passion. Shakespeare's plays are shot through with it.
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"Man is said to be a reasoning animal. I do not know why he has not been defined as an affective or feeling animal. Perhaps that which differentiates him from other animals is feeling rather than reason. More often I have seen a cat reason than laugh or weep. Perhaps it weeps or laughs inwardly—but then perhaps, also inwardly, the crab resolves equations of the second degree."
-- Miguel de Unamumo, Tragic sense of Life
Why would you be surprised at irrational thought, any more than seeing someone stub their toe?
DeleteI am not. I observe irrationality ever day of my like.
So, the question for me would be, is reason and rational thought the nature of humans rather than irrational thought or is it irrational thought driven by emotion, biases, fears, desire for control, the desire to be one of then collective, etc, etc, etc... Or, is it the combination of both battling for the upper hand?
Sartre raised the question as to the existence of human nature, and argued against it.
As for me I simply observe. Lice's to short to do otherwise.
Life's not Lice's
DeleteI say it is semantics.
DeleteYes, of course we are capable of rational thought.
We are also prone to having it sidetracked, just as we are capable of walking, but can slip or trip and fall.
I'll leave you know who with this: Jobs and businesses are not leaving California because of the weather.
ReplyDeleteOh do not blame, I pray thee,
ReplyDeleteThe persons we elect.
The problem is the way we
Fail our thinking to direct.
We vote on whim and false reports
From propagandists vile
We bow before the sharp retorts
From bigots filled with bile.
We sign our own death warrants
When we go to the polls,
And give support in torrents
To malignant, venal trolls.
~ FreeThinke
FT,
DeleteThank you for that bit of verse.
I particularly like the first two lines of the second stanza.
We sign our own death warrants
When we go to the polls
And we sign our own death warrants if we do go to the polls and there is no worthy candidate.
The Stock market goes down 320 points, Unemployment Rises,
ReplyDeleteAnd the hilarious part is that the idiots and hypocrites are still are cheering for Obama.... I congratulate our Messiah, President Obama on his handling Putin and the Russians, the Middle East conflict, the booming Stock Market and Surging Economy...Great work sir!
Great work sir!
I agree with Right is Right on all points, but the only part that is missing is the fact that most of these leftist morons do not even realize just how bad the economy situation really is.
ReplyDeleteDo they ever mention that there are less people working now that even the lowest point of the Bush years? Or that there are more people on food stamps and welfare then ever before?
And these are the same people that want to let 10's of thousands of ILLEGAL kids into the country so that their parents will follow and take away MORE jobs! Don’t you understand that?
Wake up you simple minded Liberals...Our future is sadly now.
But I guess that they are more interested in Kim Kardashian Plastic Surgery !
As for these ILLEGAL KID'S!
ReplyDeleteI someone needs to stand up and let the truth out, these these leftist morons are all but killing us and our country.
We have enough problems without importing someone else's .Ship them all home to where they came from....and let their HOME countries deal with them
The Dow lost 320 points? I wonder how many Americans just lost there retirement?
ReplyDeleteAnd just yesterday every left winger was praising Obama, what happened? I guess that us Americans are troubled by the illegal criminal invaders. Who's going to pay for all of these criminals? I myself am taxed to the max there just ain't no more for me to give.
But I bet that Moochelle ain’t gonna be cancelling her vacation!
For those interested in a bit of perspective to Right is Rights's comment on the stock market drop.
ReplyDeleteRational Nation USA Said:
Delete”For those interested in a bit of perspective to Right is Rights's comment on the stock market drop.”
Yeah? So? What’s your point? Do you doubt anything that I said? Have you any questions about anything that I said?
The Dow had it’s worst day since February, and the progressives are saying “We;; it was SO high it was bound to happen” No it was not bound to happen. It happened because of ALL the bad and negative news in America. It happened because of all the worries that have been building up for investors in recent weeks, and months and several of them came together yesterday, and that’s what prompted people to dump their stocks, FEAR of what may happen with Israel and Hamas, FEAR of what might happen with Russia and Obama’s pushing Vladimir Putin into a corner with his RIDICULOUS Sanctions. Sanction a superpower? That’s Crazy! FEAR of the future. Fear of what might happen with Obama’s leadership or lack of it.
Point? That is for you you to determine my friend, not I. But I'll give you a hint... if, and I suspect that is a big if, you took the time to look at the information contained in the link you got my point.
DeleteHowever, having said the above... It is true that partisans generally tend to ignore inconvenient truths for the sake of maintaining ideological purity.
”That is for you to determine my friend”
DeleteI don’t think so, and I’m NOT your “friend”
But I do think you should brush up on
Forrest Gumps Quotes about "Stupid"
Ahh, the old evade the facts when you are shooting blanks. Taking to the personal level are ys Right is Right? Sorry, I'm not biting.
DeleteBut you are correct, you are not my friend and to that degree I will dispense with the civility.
It’s fruitless trying to have any kind of reasonable discussion with a liberal or even a libertarian for that matter. They both are nuts. I've had my share of listening to liberals and libertarians and trust me, never again. .I found it to be a total waste of time trying to reason with them on anything. Nothing you can say will ever get through to liberals, they don’t even hear what you are saying. They have a deaf ear to anything that doesn’t measure up to their PC way of thinking, or even consider a different idea.
DeleteDid you read the information included in the supplied link? I'm guessing you missed it.
DeleteI see no difference between the characteristics demonstrated by liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. They are all prone to deafness towards anything that doesn't measure up to their {PC} way of thinking.
People who actively consider different views and actually are willing to change their position, even when it may be the thinking of their political opponents are bipartisan. Something I have yet to see from you . Reader.
R is R is Right, Stop imposing those ridiculous sanctions on Russia!. They are meaningless. And it's making Obama look even more like a dummy then he already is.
ReplyDeleteYou can not impost sanction on a superpower. They don't need us and these sanctions are meaningless to them. It's only going to wind up hurting our own economy and not theirs.
Did you read the information in the link Thom?
DeleteI assume you meant impose rather than impost sanctions. In either one or more nations can in fact impose sanctions on another nation. Super power or not.
Whether said sanctions are advisable is a different matter and as in most things a matter of ones perspective, ie: opinion.
Obviously imposing sanctions should only be done when there is widespread support for them and the likelihood they will be effective is at better than 50/50.
Further, where may I ask did you arrive at the idea I supported the current sanctions? Personally I think this nation becomes involved much to often in regional affairs and nation building. On the other hand I believe it obvious what Putin's intent is... To resurrect the territorial reach and influence of the old USSR, albeit in different form. Something perhaps should give us pause.
Certainly a situation that is giving many pause.
Whoa, this is just nuts, a Liberal or a Libertarian, whatever he Rational Nation USA wants to call himself teaching us Conservatives about the Economy and or the Stock Market? Now I’ve seen it all.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he knows something about the Venezuelan Stock Market, or about Obamaphones, but the American Stock market? LOL...It's mind-numbing... They can't even figure out whats causing Global Warming and he wants to talk about the Economy.!!
No, but as a business manager employed by a national manufacturing company with gross revenue of just shy of a billion dollars for 29 years and an additional 11 years with a global company I know a bit more than you might think.
DeleteAnd yes it is mind numbing that some folks refuse to challenge their age old paradigms. An associate of mine used to say... if you're still doing thinks the same way you were 30, 20, 10, hell, even 5 years ago you're probably doing it wrong .
Has some relevance to thinking as well.
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ReplyDeleteRational Nation USA said
ReplyDelete"Further, where may I ask did you arrive at the idea I supported the current sanctions?"
Further, where may I ask did you arrive at the idea that I was addressing you? Where in my comment did you see YOUR name? I don't see it!
Oopsie, my error I guess Thom.
DeleteGive me 40 lashes with a wet noodle.
Liberals exist in their own special world, contradictory to the rest of us. They hear what they want to hear, believe what they've been taught to believe and disregard all facts and logical arguments that don’t agree to their liberal programming. So to them... the Tea Party are just a bunch of racists. Obama is a GREAT LEADER, criticism of him is evidence of racism, guns are evil, more debt will make us more prosperous, immigrants are welcome no matter who or what, government handouts are great rights are what the government tells us they are, Moochers, Welfare milkers, Free loaders, and anyone else who will suck the life out of our society must be taken care of at all cost. etc., etc. and
ReplyDeleteetc. Yeah, it's scary.
Liberals exist in their own special world, contradictory to the rest of us.
ReplyDeleteReally? Is there any data supporting your statement?
Further, Could the liberals not turn this towards conservatives if there is no data supporting this statement?
They hear what they want to hear, believe what they've been taught to believe and disregard all facts and logical arguments that don’t agree to their liberal programming.
Well by gosh, the the above statement most certainly applies to all without regard to any specific political ideology.
So to them... the Tea Party are just a bunch of racists. Obama is a GREAT LEADER, criticism of him is evidence of racism, guns are evil, more debt will make us more prosperous, immigrants are welcome no matter who or what, government handouts are great rights are what the government tells us they are, Moochers, Welfare milkers, Free loaders, and anyone else who will suck the life out of our society must be taken care of at all cost. etc., etc. and
etc.
Talk about boilerplate hyperbole!!! Can there be any question whether you've drunk from to conservative kool aid chalice far too much and much too often?
Oy Vey!!!
RN, I'm sure you heard this before but I can't resist saying it again.
ReplyDeleteBoy are you a Schmuck.
Coming from you I consider it a compliment Mr. No Name.
ReplyDeleteYou've had a while to think of something good to say as a come-back, but if thats the best that you can do, then I guess I'm playing with an amateur. So forgetaboutit, go back to the Progressive blog where you are appreciated. Over here your opinion isn't worth two cents. . .
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DeleteI have no need.to confuse you further TSE.
ReplyDeleteI do not concern myself with
appreciation by or from hyper partisans whether they be conservative or progressive.
I call em as I see em and if ya don't like the call? Oh well... I ain't tying to belong to a collective, either conservative or progressive. Truth is more important than acceptance from a partisan collective.
Wow, how profound !
ReplyDeleteGreat video! Truly. Am working a lot these days, and know I'm very late to the discussion. I need to echo Z's comments on California. It's true - in the PAST we had a lot of good options. Very few since George Deukmejian. I supported John Campbell for state office, e.g. And occasionally get behind some of the inner workings on the local party committee.
ReplyDeleteThere was a time when you might actually think about what was happening at the state level and move in a different direction. My mother crossed party lines to vote for Ronald Reagan as governor in 1966. I still remember a slogan: Why Not an Actor? We've had a clown for the last 8 years. But after Reagan we elect the CLOWN'S SON ... TWICE!!! I don't think he's ever held a real job. We passed up a credible executive to put that dufus back in Sacramento recently.
I live in Soviet Monica where my choices have been between Sheila Kuhl and Marx, who is somewhat to her right. I'm actually supporting a Kennedy (Bobby Shriver) in a local county race against HER.
All of that to say, I am quietly working with a local group on a very local grassroots effort to get out the registration and vote of more sensible people - yes, even in the People's Republic.
What's often the last stanza of my favorite American revolutionary war song fits here:
May God bring on that happy day
When carnal swords no more shall slay
And Christ as Prince of Peace shall reign
And war be learned no more again.
Thanks for letting me rant. :-)
Baysider,
DeleteIt's okay to be late to the discussion. I'm working crazy hours this summer and participate at my own blog on a sporadic basis.
I well remember all the crossover votes for Ronald Reagan -- here in the D.C. area. People were fed up with the Dems!
Now America is a much different place. **sigh**
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