Really? Each person had their own server? Can you please provide a link to the source of that information?
You do understand there's a difference between having an email account, and having your own server, right?
But let's move on to the fun stuff. Did any body in Trump's administration or in his family who were working in the White House have any classified information on these supposed servers of theirs? Did any of them have classified information in their emails? Like Hillary did?
Blogger won't let me sign in. Wray, doesn't want to talk about it. The White House says it knows nothing about it. The warrant was closed and it was signed by a federal magistrate judge who also happened to --at the time-- had resigned from the federal bench and served as a "private" defense attorney for defendants in the Jeffery Epstein case and got them immunity in exchange for testimony. It looks to me like a case of, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. In other words, something else to trash Trump before he runs for President. Nancy Pelosi says "No one is above the law". Except , Nancy Pelosi, Paul Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden.....
Technically, if he had presidential documents, including classified ones, it is a violation of the law.
By my lights, this is one more example of Harvey Silverglate's "Three Felonies a Day."
The federal canon of laws, rules, regulations and edicts is so capacious no one can comprehend it all, and no one can avoid committing "three felonies a day."
In DC, everybody's dirty and everybody else knows it. Made men, toadies and those who respect the rules of the syndicate are safe as long as they stay in line.
Manafort gets busted for influence peddling in Ukraine without a permit. Podestas were also fishing for millions without a license, but they got a pass.
Not excusing lawbreaking, just making some observations.
Epstein was most likely working for one of the alphabets in some capacity.
Does anyone know what happened to the catalog of incriminating photos and videos he and his pedo-bitch supposedly collected on the famous and powerful?
The FBI raided his island. Where is all the evidence? Too hot to handle?
Raid is a bit of a loaded term given that Secret Service personnel assigned to MAL escorted FBI agents through the premises in a peaceful and orderly manner.
Aside from the violations of the Presidential Records Act....which my home would have been searched, and myself incarcerated were I to do the same....I think that there's much much more to the warrant (which the Trump legal team could divulge at any time).
For this level of search warrant, assuredly signed off by the US Attorney General, there is undoubtedly evidence of potential crimes of a national security flavor.
You sound a little sensitive. I didn't intend the term in the pejorative.
I am glad to see the federal government finally getting serious about mishandling classified documents. They go after the Joes, but rare to see a politician in trouble over it.
No, not sensitive. And it wasn't directed at you. But when the usual suspects in the media and peanut galleries loosely use terms like 'raid' and 'looted'....they spit on the Citizens who have actually been on the wrong end of a mis-addressed no-knock warrant. Sometimes paying with their lives.
Donald Trump didn't come out of this with a broken nose from a rifle butt, which leads me to believe either heads need to roll or rifle butts need to be made heavier and harder. I want Congressional hearings!
Review: A Trump appointed judge approved a warrant from a Trump appointed FBI director to search for evidence of a crime that would not be a felony without Trump having changed the law in 2018.
Actually, I'm surprised it went down without Trump face down in the dirt with an FBI agent's knee on his neck. The guy has threatened to shoot people in Fifth Avenue, and when he had access to nuclear weapons he wanted to nuke a hurricane but the National Weather Service wouldn't tell him where the hurricane was in a way he could understand it. He tried to withdraw US armed forces from everywhere in the world because surrendering to the Taliban apparently wasn't enough. He attacked Secret Service personnel when they wouldn't let him go trash the Capitol building. Obviously the guy is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. I hope they at least had their tasers out. Pretty brave of the FBI agents not to put that raving lunatic in a 5 point restraint and giving him a jackboot toothache.
Seriously though, if they find Trump in possession of classified documents he was not supposed to have, he already has a pretty solid defense. You'd be hard pressed to find a Trump Administration national security official that could say with any certainty that Trump ever read anything presented to him, much less even knows how to read. Trump can quite credibly claim ignorance, even if we all know he would never willingly give classified data to foreign nationals unless he was absolutely certain it would get our intelligence assets in Syria and Iran killed.
Just an observation, and one I am surprised that SF is overlooking ;)
Classification authority stems from Executive Order 13525 and those with Original Classification authority (those who have the power to classify things).
Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President; (2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and (3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.
With the power to classify things comes the power to declassify things...
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority; (2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has original classification authority; (3) a supervisory official of either the originator or his or her successor in function, if the supervisory official has original classification authority; or (4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official of the originating agency.
So ultimately all classification authority/declassification authority stems from the president. Who's going to try and argue that the president isn't a supervisory official of the original classification authority and thus has the legal authority to declassify anything?
If Trump has any lawyers worth more than half a nickel, all his responses to the FBI, court, or whomever should be "yeah, so? I declassified that." Unless he has classified documents from the Biden administration that were classified and dated after his tenure, no one can argue with him.
Which is why this is all a bunch of horse droppings, the president can declassify nuclear weapon designs and publish them as a children's coloring book and nobody can do an effing thing short of Article 25 which it's a bit late for. If the President says its unclassified....IT IS UNCLASSIFIED.
Not defending Trump, just pointing out the obvious.
You're absolutely correct. However, there is still a process for this. POTUS can't merely wave his hands over a document while in his basement with his bunny slippers on, and information is immediately declassified. Otherwise, how would anyone else in the USGOV even know that the change occurred? There is a record of declassification activity....and I'm pretty sure that any OCA cannot retroactively declassify once their malfeasance has been discovered.
Further, it should be remembered that this declassification authority is only in effect while a POTUS is serving in office. If these documents had been declassified while Trump was still in office, there would be a record of that.
Just Security has a comprehensive run-down:
Strictly speaking, even if Trump ordered the declassification of the records (verbally or in writing), what is likely to matter for purposes of handling and storing the records after he left the White House was if the mandatory follow-on actions occurred. Classified documents have classification markings in the header and footer of each page, indicating the level of classification for the document as a whole. Furthermore, classified records have cover sheets that specifically indicate when the record was classified, by whom, and under what authority, as well as when the classification expires.
If Trump did in fact order the declassification, he still needed to make sure his staff took the necessary next steps to modify the classification markings on the documents before he could actually handle and store the records (as a private citizen) as if they were unclassified. Under security classification rules, a classification marking on a document has to be treated as valid and binding unless and until a subsequent marking replaces it. Appropriate government staffers would have needed to cross out the classification markings in the headers and footers, and stamped “declassified” on the record noting when it was declassified, by whom and under what authority. Since that does not appear to have been done with the classified documents reportedly identified to date, the documents remain classified and had to be treated as classified for handling and storage purposes.
These are Security Classification 101 procedures, but none of them were material to Trump while he was still the president. He held ultimate authority over classification issues until noon on January 20, 2021. When Joe Biden became the President, however, Trump became just another private citizen who was obligated by federal law not to willingly remove classified records from a secure location and place them in an unsecured basement at Mar-a-Lago. When he took the records from the White House, shipped them to Florida, and stored them at Mar-a-Lago, he arguably ran afoul of Section 1924.
I am well familiar with the procedures; however, one case is a failure to follow administrative processes, the other a felony... so did you declassify these?
P.S. I might add, this is why you never hear about original classification authorities (SECDEF, SoS, etc) getting into trouble for inadvertently revealing classified information on talk shows and in news interviews.
I didn't miss anything. I'm trying to get away from information-laden, longer pieces. Nobody reads them past the headline anyway, so why waste my time?
Also, I am not a Trump fan. He had his time, broke some crockery, shook things up, and his time has passed. I don't scream like a little girl when his name comes up (like the left does), but I also don't see much in him to defend. Time to move on, and I wish he would.
Time to move on? Amen brother. Wouldn't vote for him in 26, wouldn't vote for Biden either, not happy with either side. We need a viable third party which unfortunately probably is never going to happen.
We don't even need a third party. Gary Johnson really pissed me off when he went on Samantha Bee and allowed her to make fun of him while he played the idiot goofball.
I would be satisfied with both major parties running serious, viable candidates.
Once we make allowances for the usual theatrics, etc in today's political circus, yes there are serious people on both sides of the aisle.
Related, I do not like Andrew Chang's progressive politics, but I love his innovative thinking, and we need someone like him to basically focus on reforming government regardless of any ideology
I think they all should be accountable. I think it's weird when Trump's supporters, particularly those who enthusiastically joined in chants of "lock her up!" at his early rallies, seem to think he should be above the law.
Trump should have known the retention of classified documents is illegal... He's the President that signed the legislation in 2018 that raised the penalty for doing so from one year in prison to five years in prison. That's going to add up to a lot of time in the federal pound ya in the ass prison really quick on a per document or even per page basis. Boxes of documents sounds like boxes of felony counts.
A Trump appointed judge approved a warrant for a Trump appointed FBI director to go enforce a Trump bolstered law.
This is what you call reaping the whirlwind. (Hosea 8:7) Trump wanted to put some meat in the Hillary email nothingburger, now he's going to choke on it.
Hardly FJ... TC hit part of the nail on the head with this...
Trump should have known the retention of classified documents is illegal...
A feature of our system of law is that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Trump should have known keeping classified materials, is against the law. But whether or not he declassified those records or not is not the problem.
Having any records, classified or not, outside of the White House after you leave office, is a crime. Because those records belong to the ppl of the US and as such, are to be housed in the National Archives.
But all of this is still a bunch of speculation. We're all sure we know what this is about. And the former president has called it all a witch hunt.
He can clear this up pretty quickly... just release the subpoena, as writers on both sides of the aisle have advocated, for us regular guys to see what the DOJ was looking for.
Just my personal assessment but I’d say at least 1 out of 4 Americans are MAGAnuts. Where are you going to find a jury with all 12 to do it? Even if he was on trial for shooting someone in broad daylight on camera and admitted to it.
The cult narrative has been released: “the FBI planted evidence at MAL”. That’s how you know tho they found something big.
Wait, you really didn't expect anything more than a Traitors Lives Matter rally, did you? Here they come with their "Trump Derangement Syndrome" gaslights now.
Think the Trump-defector/ "whistleblower's tale" will make the morning edition of the NY Times, or the WaPo? As it's likely a former DOD/IC staffer, I'm inclined to go with the WaPo. The NYT specializes more in Department of State leaks.
One thing's for certain, the Trump people won't be having many open telephone conversations or exchanging many e-mail conversations for the near future. Big Brother will definitely be watching, and then running the illicitly obtained info through Perkins Coei to get laundered and resurface as parallel constructions like the Steele Report...
Given that the DOJ head of Counter Intelligence and Export Controls were apparently present for the search, points to transmission of classified information to a foreign party. Speculative sure, but an interesting facet.
Jayhawk, that's mostly because as Silver pointed out, neither party is pushing serious candidates. We get people who can win, but no statesmen or women.
Seriousness in politics, belief in a governing philosophy and a willingness to believe the best about about an opponent, even when there is disagreement in a chosen solution or path has infected all corners of public life in America.
And it's not for our betterment.
But hey, as long as one side can claim victory over the other, life is good. Or so it seems.
Donald Trump failed a very simple task. He did not insulate him in Clinton crime mafia fashion by shielding himself from legal jeopardy using buffers and cutouts
Another development which has been rather quite on right wing media (probably because they're to busy going full throttle with Hillary and Hunter and don't have time) is that U.S. Rep Scott Perry R PA is saying 3 FBI agents approached him and confiscated his cell phone.
Perry, who said votes were changed by “Italian satellites” happens to be the guy who the J6C last year said it wanted answers from but he declined. He happens to be one of the lawmakers who allegedly wanted a pardon from Trump. Cassidy Hutchinson testified under oath that Perry discussed with Trump on going back to the Capitol on J6. When House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows allegedly set fire to documents in the Oval Office, it's said to be after a meeting with Scott Perry.
Were Perry's discussions with Trump that Cassidy Hutchinson testified to before or after Trump grabbed the wheel of the Presidential Limo and drove it to the Capitol?
Well, at least Joe managed to fix the economy last month. Thank goodness. That Inflation Reduction Act really worked a miracle, and it hasn't even been signed yet!
Wanna know what ingredient to the CPI were up most? Grain and Raw "wholesale" food products, which won't make it into the CPI as "retail" price increases until next month.
No delight here. Grain and wholesale food products are saddled with massive tariffs, i.e. Trump policy, that Biden has not reversed. These prices have been climbing since went tariff crazy. Before rising oil prices and printing trillions of dollars from thin air for "Covid relief" spiked inflation, the primary driver of skyrocketing food prices was Trump's tariffs. Biden could cut inflation TODAY by more that his Inflation Reduction Act promises by simply embracing free markets and free trade and abolishing Comrade Trump's tariffs. But, leftists gonna leftist.
You mean that the farmers are getting paid through tariffs for growing crops instead of through government programs for not growing crops? The humanity...
They're being paid by subsidization, rather than selling food. They can't export food for money, the government has to pay the tariffs other countries put up in retaliation...
And China is enjoying the hell out of the free food we're paying them to eat.
As reported earlier today — President Trump declassified a binder on January 19th, 2021 that contains hundreds of pages about the Crossfire Hurricane scandal. It contains damaging information about the corrupt actors involved with our government. Two different DOJ Attorney General’s have defied President Trump’s direct lawful order to publish the binder in the Federal Register. It’s been 19 months as the DOJ defies the order, and every FOIA request to make it public. Can we now raid the homes of acting AG Monty Wilkinson, and Merrick Garland?
btw - I wonder why the "probable cause" for the search listed on the search warrant is under seal and wasn't listed on the warrant...
Now, here’s Trump attorney Christina Bobb on Real America’s Voice. She was the attorney who was on site. She explains that they initially wouldn’t even let her see the warrant, but then did; they were reluctant to let them have it. It’s not clear from what she says if they ultimately were able to obtain it at some point. She also explained that the probable cause for the warrant was sealed, so that they can’t even know what it was unless they go to court to find out.
Calls back the meme making the rounds of Trump saying "We're never going to see Biden in prison" and Biden saying "Why does Trump think I'll visit him in prison?"
Trump's not going to be able to "graymail" the Justice Department. How did they get the evidence against Trump? Well, sir, they went up in his house and took it.
Joe... the Trump team can choose to release a 100% unredacted copy of the warrant, as they got a copy when they were given advance notice of the impending search.
What makes you think they got advance notice? They wouldn't even give the lawyer on the scene a copy when the warrants were supposedly "served" (but not served).
Even if Trump's lawyers request a copy of the "sealed" warrant, they won't be given a copy UNLESS Trump is charged with a crime... so this matter is entirely within the FBI's jurisdiction, and my guess is that they got what they wanted, won't charge Trump, and will never "unseal" the warrant and the list of evidence returned. Unless he gets charged, Trump has no "Standing" to request its' release.
My "hope" is that Trump has copies of his "insurance policy" documents stashed in multiple locations off-site Mar-a-Lago. If so, the games are going to get interesting. :)
There is nothing sinister about that. That's how search warrants have worked, for the entire history of search warrants. This is friggin' junior high 7th grade civics class schitt. (Mind you, I went to school back when there was such a thing as civics class...)
Not that I want to put the idea in delusional Trump supporters heads (oh what the hell shit yeah I do) but I'm surprised we haven't sent the ol' "fruit of the poisoned tree" argument.
"Evidence of crime B is not admissible because they were looking for evidence of crime A!"
Ask the Unabomber how that kept him out of prison. Oh, wait.
"What makes you think they got advance notice? They wouldn't even give the lawyer on the scene a copy when the warrants were supposedly "served" (but not served)."
Law 101. The person served, or his or her lawyers, get a copy of the search warrant when they are served and are free to share it publicly if they so choose.
The underlying criminal complaint is frequently sealed until a request to unseal it is heard and adjudicated. Then, unless the served has shared his or her copy, the warrant and criminal complaint can become public if the judge so orders.
Now go change the goal posts.
Sadly, on this at least, you're on shaky ground as even Trump supporters, believing he apparently did not have those boxes of materials the FBI took out of his house, have urged him to release the warrant.
One wonders why if it was so bogus, he has not done so.
Alas, we will wait for the FOIA requests that will be heard next week.
So we're going to see the criminal complaint that normally wouldn't be shared as part of the warrant, and attesting to a crime. Good. I look forward to seeing it, since it was NOT a part of the search warrant shown to Trump lawyers on the scene and was never in their power to "release".
If this comes back as "routine records" and not some earth shattering National Security critical item that was about to get faxed to the Kremlin, I suspect Merrick Garland can kiss his career @ DoJ goodbye.
Thanks joe for acknowledging that as a matter of fact, Trump, through his attorneys, did receive a copy of the warrant. Which is also now being reported widely across all major news networks.
Then why are all the MSM outlets saying Trump can "release" it? Oh, that's right... cut this one was "sealed".
But we've already heard from Team Trumpanzee that they themselves could release the warrant to the public "but it's not their job." They have it, they know what's in it, they know why the warrant was served.
Nobody is going to pretend to be stupid to commiserate with Trump supporters. Or at least, good luck with that, morons.
I'm not acknowleging anything other than Trump's attorney's being informed of the warrant after its' execution and when responding at the scene. You're the one claiming they were given "advance notice". There's also no evidence they were given a copy at the scene, only that they received a copy Monday, 8 August. It could have been hours later after the so-called evidence had already been collected and at a ompletely different location.
They had advance notice when they "cooperated" and turned over 15 boxes of documents back in February, and the FBI had to come in and get the other 12 boxes the National Archives wanted after they discovered classified material in the prior 15 boxes.
Do you think Trump's lawyer is psychic and knew to be there at Mar-A-Lago the day of the "raid?"
Yes, I am the one "claiming they were given advance notice." Because they were. February was 6 months ago.
Pssst. I'm also the one claiming Trump supporters are imbeciles. Because they are.
The only person that doesn't want America to see the search warrant... is Donald Trump. I'm going to go out on a limb to suggest that Team Trumpanzee will file a motion opposing the Justice Department's request to unseal the warrant LOL.
"Please stop breaking the law. Pretty please with sugar on top. Look Mr. President, you're not going to like the next step... Fine... play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
We're about 4 miles East of that area out at the edge of the City. We didn't hear or feel anything. The area is a mix of old and new homes.fairly close together. I doubt that meth cooking was involved. I would hazard to guess that either a old gas pipe, inside the house or seeped into the basement and then a electric spark from an outlet, switch, or sump pump motor, set it off. Natural gas explosions are somewhat strange. The gas settles in low areas and has to mix at gut the right mixture with air before it can explode. Anything less won't do anything and anything more results in a fire without a explosion. The effect is similar to a bunker buster - FAE - bomb. The same thing happened several years ago in a place about 2 miles from the present explosion. They found out that the explosion was caused by gas leakage from a supply line -close to the street- and the supply line, into the house, had been run through an abandoned, former, water supply line because they didn't have to dig a trench to to install it. The gas traveled down the old water supply line - between the gas and water lines - and into the basement. Meth cooking involves a lot of ammonia and ether. I believe the stench would have been noticeable in the neighborhood.
So an FBI office has been shot at,, or something...I haven't carefully listened, but you can be SURE this will be blamed on Republicans for retribution after the Raid..........Oddly, but typically, the Raid will be a thing of the past but the retribution will have the Leftist media gleeful and constant in their condemnation....Little will be said about the death threats against Pompeo or Bolton we're hearing about, coming from Iran and how Biden will continue negotiating with Iran on nukes even though there were death threats...after all, it wasn't Schumer or Pelosi they were going after.
This push to deture Trump from a next bid for Top Law in Forcer is telling the small people it don't matter who you vote for. New 88,000 auditors will be knocking on the small people's door. Warrant or no warrant. If you make less than $200,000- may as well put out the welcome mat - and don't lock the door, put a sign on the door_ " Come on in". My comments keep disappearing. AOW knows about the irs just like I know about the swamp people I tell you all about. Putting heads in the sand will not make it not so. Trump is facing a rigged Court Battle, and this piled on secret warrant search and seizure at the same time. Who of us would already have folded?
Deal with it. We baby boomers won't be around to help the younger gens if they don't find out how to deal with it. Warrants issued for a politician such as this one will be common place. Political opponents jailed-when/where have we heard about that before?
This has gotta be big. If they are alleging anything less that some over kind of espionage involving handing classified information to hostile foreign nationals, its not going to look good for DoJ.
But Silver... does it matter what is in the documents? Simply having them is a crime in and of itself. As per the law.
And if you've asked nicely time and time again, and been rebuffed or ignored, what options are there?
Or are you asserting that the National Archives has no duty, right or responsibility to safeguard presidential papers for future generations of Americans?
@Dave - Yes, it matters what is in the classified documents, because the criminal retention of them points to the reason behind the crime. It also matters what the classification of the information is, as it helps point to the aforementioned rationale
Well the drip-drip-drip of WaPo leaks has begun, and it would seem that Dick Chenney's Iraq WMD theory was correct and that Saddam Hussein wa hiding his nukes at Mar-Lago all along...
WASHINGTON – Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation.
Experts in classified information said the unusual search underscores deep concern among government officials about the types of information they thought could be located at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and potentially in danger of falling into the wrong hands.
The people who described some of the material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation.
[…] Material about nuclear weapons is especially sensitive and usually restricted to a small number of government officials, experts said. Publicizing details about U.S. weapons could provide an intelligence road map to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering those systems. And other countries might view exposing their nuclear secrets as a threat, experts said.
I have an understanding of classified networks. For President Trump to come into possession of a hard copy TS document, somebody had to access a TS system and print the copy. At that point, it had to go into a safe at the white house. This whole thing is crazy.
It isn't hard for me to comprehend the risks involved. After all, Donald Trump's sheer hatred for the United States of America makes Osama bin Laden look like a piker. I don't want or need to know what classified information Trump is alleged to possess illegally. It's classified information. Neither you nor I need to know anything but that Trump wasn't supposed to have it, but apparently did. A judge in camera (Latin: in chambers) will view the classified evidence and determine the severity of Trump's possession of it. Given the deliberate damage Trump did to national security when he was President, it could be any number of things. When any other spy for a foreign power has been put on trial (Robert Hanssen, Jonathan Pollard, Julius Rosenberg, et. al.) there was no detailed disclosures of the details of their crimes (i.e. the prosecution didn't further disseminate the classified information the spies had stolen) so I don't have any concerns about Trump being handled the same way.
If Trump is being "set up," you have to go down the rabbit hole of why law enforcement would bother - if they could "frame" him, they could frame anybody with a hell of a lot less blowback. Does the FBI's record of catching and prosecuting threats to national security need bolstering so badly that they're not already just busting anybody? Poor widdle Donnie Bonespurs is being persecuted for no reason? Lay off the Purple Nurple Kush, y'all are (ironically) being very paranoid in public.
Yeah, the government that can't even find billions in missing Covid relief funds are going to get you. Oh wait, maybe they do know where that money went now that they've looked in the grifter's paperwork ;)
Silver said... "Dave, They have to be after classified documents. All presidents going back at least to Johnson have retained boxes of documents.
If this really is about unclass documents, its not good for DOJ. More 'Russia collusion' Peeing hookers discredited 'dossier.'
Not true...
Up until Johnson, as noted by the WH Legal Counsel Antonin Scalia, presidents owned their papers. But then Watergate. And Nixon wanted his papers, using Scalia's viewpoint.
But he wanted something else more... a pardon. So he made a deal with Ford. The papers for a pardon.
This of course caused Congress to pass the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which made presidential papers property of the US people, by way of the National Archives. It was signed by Pres Carter and gives wide leeway to former presidents to come, read and use their past papers.
But whatever those papers are, all of them, as prescribed by law, since 1978, no longer "belong" to past presidents. They belong to us, and a president in possession of them is breaking the law.
Now whether or not Trump is/was holding classified documents, unlike so many others, I have no idea because I have not seen them, or the evidence.
And I'm stuck in a bad place.
Obviously I believe Trump has been horrible for the US. That part of me wants him to have in his possession classified documents. However the other side of me wants that not to be true because I don't want to believe a president, of any party, would once again behave in such a way as to flaunt the law, a la Nixon.
But Dave, what about Sandy Burglar? But Dave, what about the 3 million Documents O'Bama, Stole and sent to Chicago. Those were promised by Obama to be copied and returned. NOT YET TO THIS DAY!
I heard the skinny on this smoke and mirrows. A lawyer talked about this. The 1st 2 years of an Admins term will most likely be a normal turnover, this time will be a larger than normal turnover. Some will be ousted out. The second two years are for Nominated fillins. The House is a no Brainer about Dems loosing Big. The Senate is key for the Nominations Vote. The Dems Party is trying to pump the People Voter turnout so the Dems can keep the Senate. But it seems to be Back Firing; if free and fair Elections.
The other ploy is to create a bad situation - keeping the Dems in Power.
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If he had just kept those documents soft copy and stored them on an unsecured server in his bathroom that was connected to the internet...
ReplyDeleteHe and his family all has servers for their personal email accounts. Nice try!
DeleteReally? Each person had their own server? Can you please provide a link to the source of that information?
DeleteYou do understand there's a difference between having an email account, and having your own server, right?
But let's move on to the fun stuff. Did any body in Trump's administration or in his family who were working in the White House have any classified information on these supposed servers of theirs? Did any of them have classified information in their emails? Like Hillary did?
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ReplyDeleteWray, doesn't want to talk about it. The White House says it knows nothing about it. The warrant was closed and it was signed by a federal magistrate judge who also happened to --at the time-- had resigned from the federal bench and served as a "private" defense attorney for defendants in the Jeffery Epstein case and got them immunity in exchange for testimony.
It looks to me like a case of, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
In other words, something else to trash Trump before he runs for President.
Nancy Pelosi says "No one is above the law". Except , Nancy Pelosi, Paul Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden.....
Warren
Technically, if he had presidential documents, including classified ones, it is a violation of the law.
DeleteBy my lights, this is one more example of Harvey Silverglate's "Three Felonies a Day."
The federal canon of laws, rules, regulations and edicts is so capacious no one can comprehend it all, and no one can avoid committing "three felonies a day."
In DC, everybody's dirty and everybody else knows it. Made men, toadies and those who respect the rules of the syndicate are safe as long as they stay in line.
Manafort gets busted for influence peddling in Ukraine without a permit. Podestas were also fishing for millions without a license, but they got a pass.
Not excusing lawbreaking, just making some observations.
Epstein was most likely working for one of the alphabets in some capacity.
DeleteDoes anyone know what happened to the catalog of incriminating photos and videos he and his pedo-bitch supposedly collected on the famous and powerful?
The FBI raided his island. Where is all the evidence? Too hot to handle?
The Judge who signed off on this was a Trump appointee, lol!
DeleteRaid is a bit of a loaded term given that Secret Service personnel assigned to MAL escorted FBI agents through the premises in a peaceful and orderly manner.
ReplyDeleteAside from the violations of the Presidential Records Act....which my home would have been searched, and myself incarcerated were I to do the same....I think that there's much much more to the warrant (which the Trump legal team could divulge at any time).
For this level of search warrant, assuredly signed off by the US Attorney General, there is undoubtedly evidence of potential crimes of a national security flavor.
You sound a little sensitive. I didn't intend the term in the pejorative.
DeleteI am glad to see the federal government finally getting serious about mishandling classified documents. They go after the Joes, but rare to see a politician in trouble over it.
No, not sensitive. And it wasn't directed at you. But when the usual suspects in the media and peanut galleries loosely use terms like 'raid' and 'looted'....they spit on the Citizens who have actually been on the wrong end of a mis-addressed no-knock warrant. Sometimes paying with their lives.
DeleteDonald Trump didn't come out of this with a broken nose from a rifle butt, which leads me to believe either heads need to roll or rifle butts need to be made heavier and harder. I want Congressional hearings!
DeleteReview: A Trump appointed judge approved a warrant from a Trump appointed FBI director to search for evidence of a crime that would not be a felony without Trump having changed the law in 2018.
Delete@TC, yep. All the more hilarious.
DeleteIt was a raid.
DeleteDefintely a raid. The DoJ needed to recover classified documents reporting about their abuse of document classification standards.
DeleteImpeach Wray and Garland. This is way worse than watergate.
ReplyDeleteIts time for Trucker hat Revolution
We will peacefully listen to patriotic music and read the constitution in public
Delete"...worse than watergate?" Yes, in that both presidents were involved in illegal activities.
DeletePretty sure they were just tourists. ;)
ReplyDeleteActually, I'm surprised it went down without Trump face down in the dirt with an FBI agent's knee on his neck. The guy has threatened to shoot people in Fifth Avenue, and when he had access to nuclear weapons he wanted to nuke a hurricane but the National Weather Service wouldn't tell him where the hurricane was in a way he could understand it. He tried to withdraw US armed forces from everywhere in the world because surrendering to the Taliban apparently wasn't enough. He attacked Secret Service personnel when they wouldn't let him go trash the Capitol building. Obviously the guy is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. I hope they at least had their tasers out. Pretty brave of the FBI agents not to put that raving lunatic in a 5 point restraint and giving him a jackboot toothache.
Seriously though, if they find Trump in possession of classified documents he was not supposed to have, he already has a pretty solid defense. You'd be hard pressed to find a Trump Administration national security official that could say with any certainty that Trump ever read anything presented to him, much less even knows how to read. Trump can quite credibly claim ignorance, even if we all know he would never willingly give classified data to foreign nationals unless he was absolutely certain it would get our intelligence assets in Syria and Iran killed.
DeleteSo how many bugs do you think that FBI planted at Mar A Lago during the raid? The ones in Melania's panties are going to be hard to detect.
DeleteThere's a Gulag Mar-A-Lago joke low hanging from the vine here. Trump should probably go off the grid. It's the only way to be sure.
DeleteJust an observation, and one I am surprised that SF is overlooking ;)
ReplyDeleteClassification authority stems from Executive Order 13525 and those with Original Classification authority (those who have the power to classify things).
Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.
With the power to classify things comes the power to declassify things...
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has original classification authority;
(3) a supervisory official of either the originator or his or her successor in function, if the supervisory official has original classification authority; or (4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official of the originating agency.
So ultimately all classification authority/declassification authority stems from the president. Who's going to try and argue that the president isn't a supervisory official of the original classification authority and thus has the legal authority to declassify anything?
If Trump has any lawyers worth more than half a nickel, all his responses to the FBI, court, or whomever should be "yeah, so? I declassified that." Unless he has classified documents from the Biden administration that were classified and dated after his tenure, no one can argue with him.
Which is why this is all a bunch of horse droppings, the president can declassify nuclear weapon designs and publish them as a children's coloring book and nobody can do an effing thing short of Article 25 which it's a bit late for. If the President says its unclassified....IT IS UNCLASSIFIED.
Not defending Trump, just pointing out the obvious.
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html
You're absolutely correct. However, there is still a process for this. POTUS can't merely wave his hands over a document while in his basement with his bunny slippers on, and information is immediately declassified. Otherwise, how would anyone else in the USGOV even know that the change occurred? There is a record of declassification activity....and I'm pretty sure that any OCA cannot retroactively declassify once their malfeasance has been discovered.
DeleteFurther, it should be remembered that this declassification authority is only in effect while a POTUS is serving in office. If these documents had been declassified while Trump was still in office, there would be a record of that.
DeleteJust Security has a comprehensive run-down:
Strictly speaking, even if Trump ordered the declassification of the records (verbally or in writing), what is likely to matter for purposes of handling and storing the records after he left the White House was if the mandatory follow-on actions occurred. Classified documents have classification markings in the header and footer of each page, indicating the level of classification for the document as a whole. Furthermore, classified records have cover sheets that specifically indicate when the record was classified, by whom, and under what authority, as well as when the classification expires.
If Trump did in fact order the declassification, he still needed to make sure his staff took the necessary next steps to modify the classification markings on the documents before he could actually handle and store the records (as a private citizen) as if they were unclassified. Under security classification rules, a classification marking on a document has to be treated as valid and binding unless and until a subsequent marking replaces it. Appropriate government staffers would have needed to cross out the classification markings in the headers and footers, and stamped “declassified” on the record noting when it was declassified, by whom and under what authority. Since that does not appear to have been done with the classified documents reportedly identified to date, the documents remain classified and had to be treated as classified for handling and storage purposes.
These are Security Classification 101 procedures, but none of them were material to Trump while he was still the president. He held ultimate authority over classification issues until noon on January 20, 2021. When Joe Biden became the President, however, Trump became just another private citizen who was obligated by federal law not to willingly remove classified records from a secure location and place them in an unsecured basement at Mar-a-Lago. When he took the records from the White House, shipped them to Florida, and stored them at Mar-a-Lago, he arguably ran afoul of Section 1924.
https://www.justsecurity.org/82619/expert-explainer-criminal-statutes-that-could-apply-to-trumps-retention-of-government-documents/
Why are reports of Bill Clinton's exploits on Epstein Island considered classified?
DeletePaul Pelosi Jr's business partnerships with CCP officials?
DeleteNSA intercepts of Hillary Clinton's ordering of the fabrication of Steele Dossier evidence from DNC lawyers?
DeleteI am well familiar with the procedures; however, one case is a failure to follow administrative processes, the other a felony... so did you declassify these?
DeleteP.S. I might add, this is why you never hear about original classification authorities (SECDEF, SoS, etc) getting into trouble for inadvertently revealing classified information on talk shows and in news interviews.
ReplyDeleteI didn't miss anything. I'm trying to get away from information-laden, longer pieces. Nobody reads them past the headline anyway, so why waste my time?
DeleteAlso, I am not a Trump fan. He had his time, broke some crockery, shook things up, and his time has passed. I don't scream like a little girl when his name comes up (like the left does), but I also don't see much in him to defend. Time to move on, and I wish he would.
Also, when it comes to politics, I am a cynical agnostic. I gave up advocacy years ago.
DeleteSet about defending politicians and political parties, and you will end up defending the indefensible.
“Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see.”
Time to move on? Amen brother. Wouldn't vote for him in 26, wouldn't vote for Biden either, not happy with either side. We need a viable third party which unfortunately probably is never going to happen.
DeleteWe don't even need a third party. Gary Johnson really pissed me off when he went on Samantha Bee and allowed her to make fun of him while he played the idiot goofball.
DeleteI would be satisfied with both major parties running serious, viable candidates.
Are there any serious candidates left in either party?
Delete- CI
Once we make allowances for the usual theatrics, etc in today's political circus, yes there are serious people on both sides of the aisle.
DeleteRelated, I do not like Andrew Chang's progressive politics, but I love his innovative thinking, and we need someone like him to basically focus on reforming government regardless of any ideology
" Time to move on, and I wish he would."
DeleteYou are of course, entitled to your position.
I don't see anything else better coming along yet.
I would argue that Trump's prominence in the GOP makes it harder for better candidates to emerge.
DeleteAlan Dershowitz
ReplyDeleteJustice Department should have subpoenaed documents, not raided Trump’s home
I like his response to tired charges of "whataboutism:"
Shoe on the other foot test
Always liked Dershowitz
DeleteI think they all should be accountable. I think it's weird when Trump's supporters, particularly those who enthusiastically joined in chants of "lock her up!" at his early rallies, seem to think he should be above the law.
DeleteThe "Lock her up!" chants were stupid.
Delete"Karma Police, arrest this man..."
Which is why there is probably more to the warrant than the classified information.
ReplyDelete-CI
Bazinga!
ReplyDeleteTrump should have known the retention of classified documents is illegal... He's the President that signed the legislation in 2018 that raised the penalty for doing so from one year in prison to five years in prison. That's going to add up to a lot of time in the federal pound ya in the ass prison really quick on a per document or even per page basis. Boxes of documents sounds like boxes of felony counts.
A Trump appointed judge approved a warrant for a Trump appointed FBI director to go enforce a Trump bolstered law.
This is what you call reaping the whirlwind. (Hosea 8:7) Trump wanted to put some meat in the Hillary email nothingburger, now he's going to choke on it.
Lock him up!
What, for keeping documents that security officials failed to remove and left in his SCIF @ Mar a Lago?
DeleteHardly FJ... TC hit part of the nail on the head with this...
DeleteTrump should have known the retention of classified documents is illegal...
A feature of our system of law is that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Trump should have known keeping classified materials, is against the law. But whether or not he declassified those records or not is not the problem.
Having any records, classified or not, outside of the White House after you leave office, is a crime. Because those records belong to the ppl of the US and as such, are to be housed in the National Archives.
But all of this is still a bunch of speculation. We're all sure we know what this is about. And the former president has called it all a witch hunt.
He can clear this up pretty quickly... just release the subpoena, as writers on both sides of the aisle have advocated, for us regular guys to see what the DOJ was looking for.
The cult narrative has been released: “the FBI planted evidence at MAL”. That’s how you know tho they found something big.
Delete- CI
Lock him up?
DeleteJust my personal assessment but I’d say at least 1 out of 4 Americans are MAGAnuts. Where are you going to find a jury with all 12 to do it? Even if he was on trial for shooting someone in broad daylight on camera and admitted to it.
@Dave - It's not Trump's job to declassify a SCIF.
DeleteThe buck stops somewhere else...
DeleteThe cult narrative has been released: “the FBI planted evidence at MAL”. That’s how you know tho they found something big.
DeleteWait, you really didn't expect anything more than a Traitors Lives Matter rally, did you? Here they come with their "Trump Derangement Syndrome" gaslights now.
I absolutely did not expect anything different. The disseminated narrative and the fundraising began right on schedule.
DeleteTrump U. Slogan - Always be grifting.
Yep. The sick bastard even tried to fundraise off the announcement that his first wife passed away.
DeleteHas there ever been anyone more detached from reality than Donald Trump? At least Charles Manson thought he was helping the people of Vietnam.
Think the Trump-defector/ "whistleblower's tale" will make the morning edition of the NY Times, or the WaPo? As it's likely a former DOD/IC staffer, I'm inclined to go with the WaPo. The NYT specializes more in Department of State leaks.
DeleteOne thing's for certain, the Trump people won't be having many open telephone conversations or exchanging many e-mail conversations for the near future. Big Brother will definitely be watching, and then running the illicitly obtained info through Perkins Coei to get laundered and resurface as parallel constructions like the Steele Report...
DeleteOr the Trump people could just try something novel like not breaking the law.
DeleteGiven that the DOJ head of Counter Intelligence and Export Controls were apparently present for the search, points to transmission of classified information to a foreign party. Speculative sure, but an interesting facet.
ReplyDelete- CI
This forum has degenerated to almost 100% partisan hackery.
ReplyDeleteJayhawk, that's mostly because as Silver pointed out, neither party is pushing serious candidates. We get people who can win, but no statesmen or women.
DeleteSeriousness in politics, belief in a governing philosophy and a willingness to believe the best about about an opponent, even when there is disagreement in a chosen solution or path has infected all corners of public life in America.
And it's not for our betterment.
But hey, as long as one side can claim victory over the other, life is good. Or so it seems.
...or as long as one side can put the other's candidates into prison with a fishing expedition... life is good.
DeleteKhomeini's guardianship of the Democrats has begun.
The Democrats al Fiqh...
Delete"Hey Republican's, your candidate isn't "serious"... let us remove them for you..."
DeleteDonald Trump failed a very simple task. He did not insulate him in Clinton crime mafia fashion by shielding himself from legal jeopardy using buffers and cutouts
DeleteAh, too transparent. Gotcha!
DeleteHis bus probably didn't have the clearance needed for all the bodies typically getting thrown under.
DeleteThe "buck" stopped @ Trump.
DeleteHe "hires the best people." ;)
DeleteExcept, he apparently didn't.
Another development which has been rather quite on right wing media (probably because they're to busy going full throttle with Hillary and Hunter and don't have time) is that U.S. Rep Scott Perry R PA is saying 3 FBI agents approached him and confiscated his cell phone.
ReplyDeletePerry, who said votes were changed by “Italian satellites” happens to be the guy who the J6C last year said it wanted answers from but he declined. He happens to be one of the lawmakers who allegedly wanted a pardon from Trump. Cassidy Hutchinson testified under oath that Perry discussed with Trump on going back to the Capitol on J6. When House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows allegedly set fire to documents in the Oval Office, it's said to be after a meeting with Scott Perry.
Looks like things are heating up.
Ah, the "Italian satellites" myth. Almost, but not quite as fun as the "firefight in Germany between U.S. SOF and U.S. Rangers".
DeleteThat's my favorite.
Were Perry's discussions with Trump that Cassidy Hutchinson testified to before or after Trump grabbed the wheel of the Presidential Limo and drove it to the Capitol?
DeleteWell, at least Joe managed to fix the economy last month. Thank goodness. That Inflation Reduction Act really worked a miracle, and it hasn't even been signed yet!
DeleteFake news, Ronnie?
DeleteNot my comment Joe.
DeleteHowever, gas is lowering and inflation is easing.
lol! Wishful thinking, Ronnie.
DeleteWanna know what ingredient to the CPI were up most? Grain and Raw "wholesale" food products, which won't make it into the CPI as "retail" price increases until next month.
:P
DeleteJoe, while gas has decreased considerably and inflation has eased slightly, I have no expectations of significant relief for consumers.
DeleteI expect American consumers to continue to suffer, much to your and your so-called conservative cohort’s delight.
No delight here. Grain and wholesale food products are saddled with massive tariffs, i.e. Trump policy, that Biden has not reversed. These prices have been climbing since went tariff crazy. Before rising oil prices and printing trillions of dollars from thin air for "Covid relief" spiked inflation, the primary driver of skyrocketing food prices was Trump's tariffs. Biden could cut inflation TODAY by more that his Inflation Reduction Act promises by simply embracing free markets and free trade and abolishing Comrade Trump's tariffs. But, leftists gonna leftist.
DeleteYou mean that the farmers are getting paid through tariffs for growing crops instead of through government programs for not growing crops? The humanity...
DeleteThey're being paid by subsidization, rather than selling food. They can't export food for money, the government has to pay the tariffs other countries put up in retaliation...
DeleteAnd China is enjoying the hell out of the free food we're paying them to eat.
If they can't export it, shouldn't the surplus be lowering prices here ie. supply/demand? lol!
DeleteMeanwhile, all that free food in China...
DeleteJust eat the bugs, beamish :P
DeleteIf they can't export it, shouldn't the surplus be lowering prices here ie. supply/demand?
DeleteIn theory, yes. But what surplus? The food is still being exported, and the government is paying the Chinese to take it.
Oh, you mean like the oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve...
DeleteThe should work ALL their trade deals through Hunter or Paul Pelosi Jr. from now on...
DeleteWhat was the FBI after...
ReplyDeleteAs reported earlier today — President Trump declassified a binder on January 19th, 2021 that contains hundreds of pages about the Crossfire Hurricane scandal. It contains damaging information about the corrupt actors involved with our government. Two different DOJ Attorney General’s have defied President Trump’s direct lawful order to publish the binder in the Federal Register. It’s been 19 months as the DOJ defies the order, and every FOIA request to make it public. Can we now raid the homes of acting AG Monty Wilkinson, and Merrick Garland?
more...
Sounds like they were after Trump's "Insurance Policy".
DeletePer CI: Given that the DOJ head of Counter Intelligence and Export Controls were apparently present for the search...
DeleteWasn't "Crossfire Hurricane" run by counter-intelligence?
Deletebtw - I wonder why the "probable cause" for the search listed on the search warrant is under seal and wasn't listed on the warrant...
DeleteNow, here’s Trump attorney Christina Bobb on Real America’s Voice. She was the attorney who was on site. She explains that they initially wouldn’t even let her see the warrant, but then did; they were reluctant to let them have it. It’s not clear from what she says if they ultimately were able to obtain it at some point. She also explained that the probable cause for the warrant was sealed, so that they can’t even know what it was unless they go to court to find out.
"Convenient", huh?
...but hey, we may actually get a redacted version...
DeleteWe should start a pool. What percentage of the warrant will be blacked out when released. 25% 50% 75% or 100%?
We already knew Donald Trump was a spy for Russia, so his retention of classified documents is more of the same bad optics.
Delete...and Fauci engineered the COVID-19 virus. Just bad optics?
DeleteYou could have at least tried to shock me with saying something intelligent. You know, just to challenge my cemented view of Trump supporters.
DeleteWe should start a pool. What percentage of the warrant will be blacked out when released. 25% 50% 75% or 100%?
DeleteImagine the defense of an accused rapist caught red-handed demanding photographs of the victim's battered vagina be posted on the internet.
I can hardly wait for the one-sided "classified" leaks from the WaPo and NYT to start.
DeleteBut wait, I think that we've already seen this Deep State Intelligence Community produced movie before...
:)
DeleteCalls back the meme making the rounds of Trump saying "We're never going to see Biden in prison" and Biden saying "Why does Trump think I'll visit him in prison?"
DeleteTrump's not going to be able to "graymail" the Justice Department. How did they get the evidence against Trump? Well, sir, they went up in his house and took it.
Joe... the Trump team can choose to release a 100% unredacted copy of the warrant, as they got a copy when they were given advance notice of the impending search.
DeleteWhat makes you think they got advance notice? They wouldn't even give the lawyer on the scene a copy when the warrants were supposedly "served" (but not served).
DeleteEven if Trump's lawyers request a copy of the "sealed" warrant, they won't be given a copy UNLESS Trump is charged with a crime... so this matter is entirely within the FBI's jurisdiction, and my guess is that they got what they wanted, won't charge Trump, and will never "unseal" the warrant and the list of evidence returned. Unless he gets charged, Trump has no "Standing" to request its' release.
DeleteMy "hope" is that Trump has copies of his "insurance policy" documents stashed in multiple locations off-site Mar-a-Lago. If so, the games are going to get interesting. :)
DeleteSource.
DeleteThere is nothing sinister about that. That's how search warrants have worked, for the entire history of search warrants. This is friggin' junior high 7th grade civics class schitt. (Mind you, I went to school back when there was such a thing as civics class...)
DeleteNot that I want to put the idea in delusional Trump supporters heads (oh what the hell shit yeah I do) but I'm surprised we haven't sent the ol' "fruit of the poisoned tree" argument.
Delete"Evidence of crime B is not admissible because they were looking for evidence of crime A!"
Ask the Unabomber how that kept him out of prison. Oh, wait.
Don't panic. Donald Trump's meth lab is safe.
That's how search warrants have worked, for the entire history of search warrants.
Deletelol! It has? Then why are all the MSM outlets saying Trump can "release" it? Oh, that's right... cut this one was "sealed".
What's "safe" is the FBI's parallel construction operation using illegally obtained NSA surveillance of US citizens over at Perkins Coie.
DeleteMeanwhile, in Cincinnati...
Delete:P
DeleteJoe asked...
Delete"What makes you think they got advance notice? They wouldn't even give the lawyer on the scene a copy when the warrants were supposedly "served" (but not served)."
Law 101. The person served, or his or her lawyers, get a copy of the search warrant when they are served and are free to share it publicly if they so choose.
The underlying criminal complaint is frequently sealed until a request to unseal it is heard and adjudicated. Then, unless the served has shared his or her copy, the warrant and criminal complaint can become public if the judge so orders.
Now go change the goal posts.
Sadly, on this at least, you're on shaky ground as even Trump supporters, believing he apparently did not have those boxes of materials the FBI took out of his house, have urged him to release the warrant.
One wonders why if it was so bogus, he has not done so.
Alas, we will wait for the FOIA requests that will be heard next week.
@ Joe:
DeleteWhat's "safe" is the FBI's parallel construction operation using illegally obtained NSA surveillance of US citizens over at Perkins Coie.
Anyone who claims that could not or would not happen in America needs to take off their patented Ronald Ward Ass Cheek Ear Muffs (tm)
@ Dave,
DeleteSo we're going to see the criminal complaint that normally wouldn't be shared as part of the warrant, and attesting to a crime. Good. I look forward to seeing it, since it was NOT a part of the search warrant shown to Trump lawyers on the scene and was never in their power to "release".
@sf,
DeleteIf this comes back as "routine records" and not some earth shattering National Security critical item that was about to get faxed to the Kremlin, I suspect Merrick Garland can kiss his career @ DoJ goodbye.
Thanks joe for acknowledging that as a matter of fact, Trump, through his attorneys, did receive a copy of the warrant. Which is also now being reported widely across all major news networks.
DeleteThen why are all the MSM outlets saying Trump can "release" it? Oh, that's right... cut this one was "sealed".
DeleteBut we've already heard from Team Trumpanzee that they themselves could release the warrant to the public "but it's not their job." They have it, they know what's in it, they know why the warrant was served.
Nobody is going to pretend to be stupid to commiserate with Trump supporters. Or at least, good luck with that, morons.
If this comes back as "routine records" and not some earth shattering National Security critical item that was about to get faxed to the Kremlin...
Delete...the sound of the prison cell door slamming shut will still sound the same.
I'm not acknowleging anything other than Trump's attorney's being informed of the warrant after its' execution and when responding at the scene. You're the one claiming they were given "advance notice". There's also no evidence they were given a copy at the scene, only that they received a copy Monday, 8 August. It could have been hours later after the so-called evidence had already been collected and at a ompletely different location.
DeleteThey had advance notice when they "cooperated" and turned over 15 boxes of documents back in February, and the FBI had to come in and get the other 12 boxes the National Archives wanted after they discovered classified material in the prior 15 boxes.
DeleteDo you think Trump's lawyer is psychic and knew to be there at Mar-A-Lago the day of the "raid?"
Yes, I am the one "claiming they were given advance notice." Because they were. February was 6 months ago.
Pssst. I'm also the one claiming Trump supporters are imbeciles. Because they are.
The only person that doesn't want America to see the search warrant... is Donald Trump. I'm going to go out on a limb to suggest that Team Trumpanzee will file a motion opposing the Justice Department's request to unseal the warrant LOL.
DeleteLOL! Trump is looking for rats and people wearing wires in his inner circle.
DeleteAs all of us innocent people do, I'm sure.
"Hey Beamish! Want to grab a cup of coffee?"
"Up against the wall and spread 'em, fugger."
They had advance notice when they "cooperated" and turned over 15 boxes of documents back in February,
Delete...and thereby obviating the need for armed force, when cooperation had always been the model...
"Please stop breaking the law. Pretty please with sugar on top. Look Mr. President, you're not going to like the next step... Fine... play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
DeleteHis Secret Service protection detail has observed criminal violations? Who knew?
DeleteAOW, I don’t know your what part of Evansville you’re in but certainty hope everything is okay.
ReplyDeleteRonald,
DeleteI am not with AOW and Warren, but thank you for the good wishes. Damn meth cookers are probably responsible...
I happened on the other side of town from us: about 4-5 miles away. We felt/heard nothing here.
Deleteum, "it" not "i"
DeleteWe're about 4 miles East of that area out at the edge of the City. We didn't hear or feel anything.
DeleteThe area is a mix of old and new homes.fairly close together. I doubt that meth cooking was involved. I would hazard to guess that either a old gas pipe, inside the house or seeped into the basement and then a electric spark from an outlet, switch, or sump pump motor, set it off.
Natural gas explosions are somewhat strange. The gas settles in low areas and has to mix at gut the right mixture with air before it can explode. Anything less won't do anything and anything more results in a fire without a explosion. The effect is similar to a bunker buster - FAE - bomb.
The same thing happened several years ago in a place about 2 miles from the present explosion. They found out that the explosion was caused by gas leakage from a supply line -close to the street- and the supply line, into the house, had been run through an abandoned, former, water supply line because they didn't have to dig a trench to to install it. The gas traveled down the old water supply line - between the gas and water lines - and into the basement.
Meth cooking involves a lot of ammonia and ether. I believe the stench would have been noticeable in the neighborhood.
:)
ReplyDeleteYou saw my comment just in time.
DeleteI have sent your video to several souls
So an FBI office has been shot at,, or something...I haven't carefully listened, but you can be SURE this will be blamed on Republicans for retribution after the Raid..........Oddly, but typically, the Raid will be a thing of the past but the retribution will have the Leftist media gleeful and constant in their condemnation....Little will be said about the death threats against Pompeo or Bolton we're hearing about, coming from Iran and how Biden will continue negotiating with Iran on nukes even though there were death threats...after all, it wasn't Schumer or Pelosi they were going after.
ReplyDeleteThis push to deture Trump from a next bid for Top Law in Forcer
ReplyDeleteis telling the small people it don't matter who you vote for.
New 88,000 auditors will be knocking on the small people's door.
Warrant or no warrant. If you make less than $200,000- may as well put out the welcome mat - and don't lock the door, put a sign on the door_ " Come on in".
My comments keep disappearing.
AOW knows about the irs just like I know about the swamp people I tell you all about.
Putting heads in the sand will not make it not so.
Trump is facing a rigged Court Battle, and this piled on secret warrant
search and seizure at the same time. Who of us would already have folded?
Deal with it.
ReplyDeleteWe baby boomers won't be around to help the younger gens if they don't find out how to deal with it.
Warrants issued for a politician such as this one will be common place. Political opponents jailed-when/where have we heard about that before?
AG Garland sez he wants to unseal the warrant.
ReplyDeleteThis has gotta be big. If they are alleging anything less that some over kind of espionage involving handing classified information to hostile foreign nationals, its not going to look good for DoJ.
But Silver... does it matter what is in the documents? Simply having them is a crime in and of itself. As per the law.
DeleteAnd if you've asked nicely time and time again, and been rebuffed or ignored, what options are there?
Or are you asserting that the National Archives has no duty, right or responsibility to safeguard presidential papers for future generations of Americans?
@Dave - Yes, it matters what is in the classified documents, because the criminal retention of them points to the reason behind the crime. It also matters what the classification of the information is, as it helps point to the aforementioned rationale
Delete- CI
Dave, They have to be after classified documents. All presidents going back at least to Johnson have retained boxes of documents.
DeleteIf this really is about unclass documents, its not good for DOJ. More "Russia collusion" Peeing hookers discredited "dossier."
Well the drip-drip-drip of WaPo leaks has begun, and it would seem that Dick Chenney's Iraq WMD theory was correct and that Saddam Hussein wa hiding his nukes at Mar-Lago all along...
DeleteWASHINGTON – Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation.
Experts in classified information said the unusual search underscores deep concern among government officials about the types of information they thought could be located at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and potentially in danger of falling into the wrong hands.
The people who described some of the material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation.
[…] Material about nuclear weapons is especially sensitive and usually restricted to a small number of government officials, experts said. Publicizing details about U.S. weapons could provide an intelligence road map to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering those systems. And other countries might view exposing their nuclear secrets as a threat, experts said.
Full disclosure... I used to hold a SECRET CNWDI clearance....:p
Deleteps- How do you guarantee a judge won't deny your search warrant? Tell him there's a ticking bomb.
DeleteI have an understanding of classified networks. For President Trump to come into possession of a hard copy TS document, somebody had to access a TS system and print the copy. At that point, it had to go into a safe at the white house. This whole thing is crazy.
DeleteIt isn't hard for me to comprehend the risks involved. After all, Donald Trump's sheer hatred for the United States of America makes Osama bin Laden look like a piker. I don't want or need to know what classified information Trump is alleged to possess illegally. It's classified information. Neither you nor I need to know anything but that Trump wasn't supposed to have it, but apparently did. A judge in camera (Latin: in chambers) will view the classified evidence and determine the severity of Trump's possession of it. Given the deliberate damage Trump did to national security when he was President, it could be any number of things. When any other spy for a foreign power has been put on trial (Robert Hanssen, Jonathan Pollard, Julius Rosenberg, et. al.) there was no detailed disclosures of the details of their crimes (i.e. the prosecution didn't further disseminate the classified information the spies had stolen) so I don't have any concerns about Trump being handled the same way.
DeleteIf Trump is being "set up," you have to go down the rabbit hole of why law enforcement would bother - if they could "frame" him, they could frame anybody with a hell of a lot less blowback. Does the FBI's record of catching and prosecuting threats to national security need bolstering so badly that they're not already just busting anybody? Poor widdle Donnie Bonespurs is being persecuted for no reason? Lay off the Purple Nurple Kush, y'all are (ironically) being very paranoid in public.
Yeah, the government that can't even find billions in missing Covid relief funds are going to get you. Oh wait, maybe they do know where that money went now that they've looked in the grifter's paperwork ;)
You forgot to credit MSNBC at the end of your rant
DeleteComes now to claim he can pass an IQ test without eating it with ExLax...
DeleteI'm certainly not the one making Trump supporters look stupid. Nor is MSNBC.
:P
DeleteSilver said... "Dave, They have to be after classified documents. All presidents going back at least to Johnson have retained boxes of documents.
ReplyDeleteIf this really is about unclass documents, its not good for DOJ. More 'Russia collusion' Peeing hookers discredited 'dossier.'
Not true...
Up until Johnson, as noted by the WH Legal Counsel Antonin Scalia, presidents owned their papers. But then Watergate. And Nixon wanted his papers, using Scalia's viewpoint.
But he wanted something else more... a pardon. So he made a deal with Ford. The papers for a pardon.
This of course caused Congress to pass the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which made presidential papers property of the US people, by way of the National Archives. It was signed by Pres Carter and gives wide leeway to former presidents to come, read and use their past papers.
But whatever those papers are, all of them, as prescribed by law, since 1978, no longer "belong" to past presidents. They belong to us, and a president in possession of them is breaking the law.
Now whether or not Trump is/was holding classified documents, unlike so many others, I have no idea because I have not seen them, or the evidence.
And I'm stuck in a bad place.
Obviously I believe Trump has been horrible for the US. That part of me wants him to have in his possession classified documents. However the other side of me wants that not to be true because I don't want to believe a president, of any party, would once again behave in such a way as to flaunt the law, a la Nixon.
SO where will the Trump Presidential Library most likely be located, Mar-a-Lago?
Delete...and in what "facility" will they be displaying these priceless US possessions before moving them back?
DeleteI suspect Trump will eventually "donate" the facility.
Delete...unless Hunter's investors want to take a crack at running a gift shop there.
DeleteBut Dave, what about Sandy Burglar?
DeleteBut Dave, what about the 3 million Documents O'Bama,
Stole and sent to Chicago. Those were promised by Obama to be copied and returned. NOT YET TO THIS DAY!
You realize of course, that the 'Obama documents' line is a HOAX perpetrated by Trump. Unless of course, you believe him over the National Archives?
DeleteSo, did you give a hand in Sandy Berger's dbds?
DeleteI heard from congressman (several) who do not like Trump.
DeleteIf the last two comments are directed to me, please type in English.
DeleteI heard the skinny on this smoke and mirrows.
ReplyDeleteA lawyer talked about this.
The 1st 2 years of an Admins term will most likely be a normal turnover, this time will be a larger than normal turnover. Some will be ousted out. The second two years are for Nominated fillins.
The House is a no Brainer about Dems loosing Big.
The Senate is key for the Nominations Vote.
The Dems Party is trying to pump the People Voter turnout so the Dems can keep the Senate.
But it seems to be Back Firing; if free and fair Elections.
The other ploy is to create a bad situation - keeping the Dems in Power.
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Seems it doesn't matter what browser one uses.
Well, apparently Breitbart released the names anyway.....
ReplyDelete"Back the Blue"!!!!