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Andrew Sullivan makes the best argument yet contra Critical Race Theory (not the narrow academic theory but all the Ibram Kendi/Robin DiAngelo pop-psychology pseudo-science racial dogma that has sprung up like stink weeds around it). The Crux of Sullivan's unassailable argument?
He starts by listing some characteristics of classic Western liberalism:
Critical Race Theory is incompatible with the classical liberalism upon which our Western civilization is founded.
He starts by listing some characteristics of classic Western liberalism:
Fallibilism, the belief that anyone, especially you, can always be wrong;
Objectivity, a rejection of any theory that cannot be proven or disproven by reality;
Accountability, the openness to conceding and correcting error;
Pluralism, the maintenance of intellectual diversity so we maximize our chances of finding the truth.
No ultimate authority; just inquiry and provisional truth. No final answer: an endless conversation. No single power, but many in competition.In this open-ended conversation, all can participate, conservatives and liberals, and will have successes and failures in their turn. What matters, both conservatives and liberals agree, is not the end result, but the liberal democratic, open-ended means. That shift — from specifying a single end to insisting only on playing by the rules — is the key origin of modern freedom.My central problem with critical theory is that it takes precise aim at these very core principles and rejects them. By rejecting them, in the otherwise noble cause of helping the marginalized, it is a very seductive and potent threat to liberal civilization.
CRT Rejects Western Liberalism
This is what makes CRT different. When it began, critical theory was one school of thought among many. But the logic of it — it denies the core liberal premises of all the other schools and renders them all forms of oppression — means that it cannot long tolerate those other schools. It must always attack them.Read Andrew Sullivan's excellent essay here: Removing the Bedrock of Liberalism
Critical theory is therefore always the cuckoo in the academic nest. Over time, it throws out its competitors — and not in open free debate. It does so by ending that debate, by insisting that the liberal “reasonable person” standard of debate is, in fact, rigged in favor of the oppressors, that speech is a form of harm, even violent harm, rather than a way to seek the truth. It insists that what matters is the identity of the participants in a debate, not the arguments themselves
This debate is not about whether you are a racist or an antiracist. The debate is about whether, in your deepest heart and soul, you are a liberal or an anti-liberal. And of those two options, I have no doubt where I stand. Do you?
See also: Political Tea Leaves - Andrew Sullivan, "White Supremacist!"?
You'll get no argument against the thesis of illiberality from me.
ReplyDeleteSo Silver... I'll admit that since I am traveling I've only waded through the first parts of Sullivan's article.
ReplyDeleteYou should though note that the characteristics of Western liberalism you list are not from Sullivan, but from a forthcoming book by by Jonathan Rauch.
Later in the article Sullivan states...
"...at its [liberalism's] core, there is the model of the single, interchangeable, equal citizen, using reason to deliberate the common good with fellow citizens.
I wonder as I have thought about that statement how much interest there really is in the US for the "common good of fellow citizens"?
many people, including I believe, a large amount of the commenters here are more libertarian leaning, caring more about themselves than their fellow man. The US seems to desire more "rugged individualism" than concern for the common good, a condition that requires compromise, grace and surrender.
Later, speaking directly of CRT, Sullivan states...
"It questions the very foundations of 'Enlightenment rationality, legal equality and Constitutional neutrality.'"
I think most proponents would heartily say, "Yes it does" question those very foundations. Because many people in the US do not enjoy legal equality and for many, the first 250 years of our Constitutional existence was never neutral, at least as it was interpreted by majority peoples.
For decades, across 3 centuries US governments, including at federal, state and local levels used our Constitution to deny equality of people of color, of different races and of women.
Whether our system perpetuates "inequality forever" remains to be seen. But it seems inarguable that we never started at a place of "legal equality."
Who does not now have legal equity? It is indeed illegal to deny that to anyone.
DeleteRugged individualism is largely a myth IMO
Deletemany people, including I believe, a large amount of the commenters here are more libertarian leaning, caring more about themselves than their fellow man.
DeleteYou're misconstruing Libertarian philosophy. Why?
Silver... sure it's illegal to deny equity to anyone. Do you deny that it happens?
DeleteCI... I'm not trying to misconstrue libertarianism at all. I was only stating that ppl who comment here, who self define themselves as leaning in that direction, tend to be more individualistic in their theology, philosophy and political views.
And I'm not proffering an opinion on that as much as stating what I see.
@Dave - Fair enough. Please know that [aside from a$$holes found in every party], Libertarians generally care just as much about the well-being and Liberty of our fellow Citizens as any others. We simply take issue with the scope of State compulsion to divert much of our labor and fruits thereof, to support what most should be doing for themselves.
DeleteSeeking greater individual sovereignty does not equal a lack of compassion or empathy. We want this for all Citizens.
Dave, you made the allegation of legal inequality so it is on you to substantiate your claim.
DeleteDave, while we have a shameful history of not upholding our own Constitution and the values it represents......there is no doubt that legal inequality doesn’t exist under that framework. Localized corruption and perfidious acts by some in positions of power, are crimes....not sanctioned inequality.
DeleteWe can [and should] do a lot better in educating our Citizenry with regard to how race factored into society and power......but CRT is a naked play for a political battle that has little to actually do with race.
Criminals will always break the law and government officials will always violate their oaths to uphold the laws (justice wears a blindfold). That's why we can VOTE THEM OUT!
DeleteThe point is that the laws were (from mid-60's on) race neutral. Don't like it that minorities are still getting the short end? VOTE THE DAMN DEMOCRAT OFFICIALS IN THE CITIES OUT! Don't whine and call the race of us "racists".
Dave,
Delete"...many people, including I believe, a large amount of the commenters here are more libertarian leaning, caring more about themselves than their fellow man..."
Well, it ain't me infringing on my rights. There's a lot of my "fellow man" in that camp, though.
For me, it comes down to what role in society do you cede to the government. The government sucks most Americans raising and educating children, is horrifyingly awful at charity and welfare, is downright despicable at being a moral compass. Do these roles really belong to the government?
"...many people, including I believe, a large amount of the commenters here are more libertarian leaning, caring more about themselves than their fellow man..."
DeleteWell, it ain't me infringing on my rights. There's a lot of my "fellow man" in that camp, though.
For me, it comes down to what role in society do you cede to the government. The government sucks most at raising and educating children, is horrifyingly awful at charity and welfare, is downright despicable at being a moral compass. Do these roles really belong to the government?
(sorry for double post... First try wouldn't let me edit)
DeleteSilverfiddle,
Delete"Who does not now have legal equity? It is indeed illegal to deny that to anyone."
On paper. If you can't afford the lawyers to say so, not so much.
TC and CI, excellent comments!
DeleteTC, you make a good point about legal equality, but it is a function of class, power, and money, not race. Not saying that you said that, but I am agreeing with your comment
The point is that Democrats no longer talk about "class," as they are the party of billionaires AND the lumpenproletariat. If they talk class, they insult one or the other side of that extreme. The NYT said today that Blacks are living under Jim Crow 2.0. It's not Blacks, its' everyone BUT the billionaire/ DC political class.
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ReplyDeleteNo CRT derived data makes it into the schools? Who knew?
Deletebtw- When did Biden switch parties? I musta missed that memo.
DeleteCritical Race Theory... the ONLY theory in the universe that has no praxis...
DeleteFarmer,
DeleteYour comments kept me from deleting this drooling fool.
Sometimes its better to leave the comments standing as a monument to brainless leftwing indoctrination.
@sf,
DeleteSorry, it's reflexive. :(
Sorry SF, I jumped the gun on the delete. I delete the comments of that particular troll without reading them or the thread they are in.
DeleteNo worries....
DeleteSF, this CRT thing really has you going doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteSo never mind it has no place in K-12 education but is rather a collegiate level teaching framework and let's forget it has been a nothing burger for 40 years until the Trump Mango God invoked it while belching nonsensical vomit about the NYT's 1619 project and disregard that it's an exact replica of Atwater's teachings of pointing to the black man as the thief in the night boogieman of taking all the white man's freedoms and hell, even ignore the fact that just like that, CTR is of ultimate urgency in the exact time that Republican states are legislating Jim Crow 202 on steroids and dismantling democracy in every aspect, and even set aside the fact that you've repeatedly stated you have no clue as to what the hell it is, could it possibly be that after Trump lost a legitimate election and has exhausted all nonsensical fabricated QAnon Jewish Lasor beams shot from outer space/Anderson Cooper eats babies and drinks their blood for breakfast/ stolen election gibberish which every court in the land as well as every legitimate process snubbed that just maybe, just maybe, this is all the Hannity/Carson/GOP and Trump propaganda machine and cultist indoctrination playbook has left in their holster?
The results of CRT aren't being taught in K-12 classrooms? So we can finally throw Zinn's "People's History" in the bin? Who knew?
DeleteI'm sure GAtewayPundit, Newsmax, and other propaganda outlets are having a field day with "Jim Eagle". It does make for another good distraction while Rs are dismantling Civil Rights at a soaring level.
Delete^^Jim Crow 2.0 true believer^^
Deletebtw - Who's "civil rights" are Republicans taking away? Those of the actual voters to vote, or those of the vote counting establishment to disenfranchise the former and tell them to shut up and accept whoever they rig the system to elect?
DeleteEver read Plato's "Republic" where they talk about "rigging the genetic lottery for the Guardians" or the "Nocturnal Council" behind maintaining the "Noble Lie"?
Deletefrom the Jowett Summary of Plato's "Republic":
DeleteWhy, I said, the principle has been already laid down that the best of either sex should be united with the best as often, and the inferior with the inferior, as seldom as possible; and that they should rear the offspring of the one sort of union, but not of the other, if the flock is to be maintained in first-rate condition. Now these goings on must be a secret which the rulers only know, or there will be a further danger of our herd, as the guardians may be termed, breaking out into rebellion.
Very true.
Had we not better appoint certain festivals at which we will bring together the brides and bridegrooms, and sacrifices will be offered and suitable hymeneal songs composed by our poets: the number of weddings is a matter which must be left to the discretion of the rulers, whose aim will be to preserve the average of population? There are many other things which they will have to consider, such as the effects of wars and diseases and any similar agencies, in order as far as this is possible to prevent the State from becoming either too large or too small.
Certainly, he replied.
We shall have to invent some ingenious kind of lots which the less worthy may draw on each occasion of our bringing them together, and then they will accuse their own ill-luck and not the rulers.
To be sure, he said.
What's more puzzling Warren is the absolute allegiance of denying what you see and hear with your own eyes and ears while disregarding factual data and the obvious abetting of the propaganda which promotes the "Big Lie". The GOP CRT howl is none other than that.
DeleteYeah yeah, I get it that liberals and today's so-called conservatives never saw eye to eye on policy or governance and that we both thought the other was dumber than a coal bucket but this acceptance of "alternative facts", the Qanon silent nod, insurrection denial, the GOP disenfranchisement assult (which has actually been going on for years until recently given permission from the McConnell/Trump stacked SCOTUS), and hell, I could go on for days (as I think I kinda did above) has made Goldwater and Nixon look like Eagle Scout choir boys.
For what's worth, Ronald, I'm still trying to figure out how the Republican opposition to CRT benefits their masters in Moscow.
DeleteWhat is even more puzzling is the fact that you are dumber than a box of rocks and don't know it. Like Bob Dylan said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows and you sure are windy.
DeletePlease do go on for days, I'm sure you will anyway. The delusional usually do.
Ronald's problem is he cannot stick to the subject to hand. This thread is not about the GOP, it is not about q&a on or any of the other crap he is blathering about. This is about people who believe in classic liberalism establishing a well-grounded argument at CRT is ill liberal
DeleteRJW, blathers on like a meth addict jabbering on about powers and principalities. He sounds like a drug addict on disability worried about his "Government entitlement".
DeleteThe saying was originally, I believe, applied to Jewish intellectuals, but was often used to describe Liberals as well that, "If you put eight of them in a closed room you will hear them arguing twelve different opinions."
ReplyDeleteToday, no matter how many Liberals you put in a closed room, there will be but one opinion, and that will be the opinion that the party leader instructed them to have.
@ Jayhawk,
ReplyDeleteThese people aren't Liberals. They have nothing Liberal about them. They don't believe in individual freedoms and actively seek to destroy our freedoms of thought, conscience, religion, speech, to own property and every liberty you can think of. If anything, they are the most illiberal Totalitarians you can imagine.
"Objectivity, a rejection of any theory that cannot be proven or disproven by reality;"
ReplyDeletewho does that?
Separation of Church and State (Madison) was one such attempt.
DeletePerhaps the entire "Bill of Rights" vs "Rights of Government" was another.
DeleteYou'd have to ask a Randian "Objectivist". I'm not one.
DeleteThe Press used to pretend Objectivity was one of their "values" before they all became relative subjectivits and embraced the secular Identity politics religion.
DeleteFor Kant, a defining feature of our representations of objects is their objective validity. For a representation to be objectively valid it must be a representation of an objective feature of reality, that is, a feature whose existence and nature is independent of how it is perceived (Guyer 1987:11–24).
DeleteFor the modern Press, "reality" lies in the perceptions of a BLM Activist savant.
DeleteWhat's falsifyable about, say, the 5th ammendment?
DeleteThat a scientific criteria, not one of reason or reality
DeleteThe point is that the Government can use the CJS to prosecute an individual "un-Constitutionally" and if a Defendant can prove that to have been the case in appeal, the decision can be overturned/ thrown out. It "limits" the Government's powers in an "objective" way (not for White citizens only).
Delete...for the Government to remain "legitimate", it must MAKE the rights delineated in the Bill of Rights "reality" or lose its' legitimacy.
DeleteRegardless, Madison said it best...
DeleteBecause the Bill violates that equality which ought to be the basis of every law, and which is more indispensible, in proportion as the validity or expediency of any law is more liable to be impeached. If “all men are by nature equally free and independent,”6 all men are to be considered as entering into Society on equal conditions; as relinquishing no more, and therefore retaining no less, one than another, of their natural rights. Above all are they to be considered as retaining an “equal title to the free exercise of Religion according to the dictates of Conscience.” Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess and to observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offence against God, not against man: To God, therefore, not to man, must an account of it be rendered. As the Bill violates equality by subjecting some to peculiar burdens, so it violates the same principle, by granting to others peculiar exemptions. Are the Quakers and Menonists the only sects who think a compulsive support of their Religions unnecessary and unwarrantable? Can their piety alone be entrusted with the care of public worship? Ought their Religions to be endowed above all others with extraordinary privileges by which proselytes may be enticed from all others? We think too favorably of the justice and good sense of these denominations to believe that they either covet pre-eminences over their fellow citizens or that they will be seduced by them from the common opposition to the measure.
5. Because the Bill implies either that the Civil Magistrate is a competent Judge of Religious Truth; or that he may employ Religion as an engine of Civil policy.8 The first is an arrogant pretension falsified by the contradictory opinions of Rulers in all ages, and throughout the world: the second an unhallowed perversion of the means of salvation..
"That a scientific criteria, not one of reason or reality"
DeleteI agree that it's not an appropriate standard to hold the it to. So is the Bill of Rights not an attempt at "objectivity" as defined in the article?
We today have a different definition of reality than the Founders and their philosophical contemporaries had.
DeleteMany Founder-contemporary philosophers thought that intersubjective agreement was proof of objective truth (if everyone agrees, it must be objectively true/real).
Kant's "thing in itself" was meant to represent "pure objectivity"... and we can't ever "know" the "thing in itself". But his Critiques weren't published until the 1780's.
Kant's definitions at the time wouldn't apply, so ours today would not either.
Kant’s background metaphysical doctrine to the effect that judgments are empirically meaningful (objectively valid) and true (objectively real) if and only if transcendental idealism is correct (the transcendental idealism thesis).
At the time, it was still thought by many to be true.
And so the Bill of Rights was one such attempt.
Facing any brand of skepticism regarding knowledge of objective reality in any robust sense, we should note that the notion of there being an objective reality is independent of any particular assertion about our prospects for knowing that reality in any objective sense. One should, in other words, agree that the idea of some objective reality, existing as it is independent of any subjective perception of it, apparently makes sense even for one who holds little hope for any of us knowing that there is such a reality, or knowing anything objectively about such a reality. Perhaps our human situation is such that we cannot know anything beyond our experiences; perhaps we are, each one of us individually, confined to the theater of our own minds. Nonetheless, we can conceive what it means to assert an objective reality beyond the stream of our experiences.
Today, my "Lacanian" reality is tainted by my "imagination" drawn through my subjective desire (jouissance).
It's not a "crisp" and "pure" form (ie Plato's theory of forms) as it was once before.
...and like all "meanings", it must be coded and decoded from language.
Delete...preferably "mathematics". 2+2=5
Deletebtw - How is CRT falsifiable? By the inconvenient minority? Can it's adherents ever admit their deception?
DeleteWhere's all the "intersubjective agreement" making it even "close" to achieving "objective" reality?
DeleteSubstitute "power" for Jouissance in Lacan's equations and we'll all finally arrive at a Democrat politician's conception of "reality". :)
DeleteSchopenhauer has his World as Will and Representation, Nietzsche had his Will to Power, and Democrats have their utopian visions wafting in from their wildest imaginariums coated in Jouissance...
DeleteNow, simply censor all opinions that don't agree with or dispute CRT, and viola! A new objective truth is born.
DeleteNietzsche, WtP Das Kriterium der Wahrheit liegt in der Steigerung des Machtgefühls.
DeleteThe criterion of truth resides in the heightening of the feeling of power.
“I issue the theory that the will to power is the primitive form of passion, all the other passions that are transforming the will, there would be greater clarity in place, instead of the idea of eudémonistique happiness, the idea of power: the power to suck in more power “, the joy is only a symptom of the feeling that power is reached, is the perception of a difference that all force is will to power, there is no other physical force, or psychological dynamics. ” -Nietzsche, "The Will to Power" (§ 302).
DeleteLimits to Governmental powers? What a quaintly outdated idea. BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!
Delete:)
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