Kenosha devolved into anarchy because the authorities abandoned the people. Those in charge, from the governor on down, refused to enforce the law. They’ve stood back and watched Kenosha burn. Are we really surprised that looting and arson accelerated to murder? pic.twitter.com/oul2KUiDi3
— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 27, 2020
Also see this video: Kenosha Shooting Timeline.
John Antaramian, the major of Kenosha for 16 years, and the situation in Kenosha after the shooting of Jacob Blake to spin out of control — to the point that the citizens of Kenosha felt (still feel?) the need for citizen militias.
Hat tip to Bunkerville's August 26, 2020 post:
When you don’t shoot a killer resisting arrest and reaching in his car... pic.twitter.com/E8Do6BYimp
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) August 25, 2020
Related reading, both the post and the comments: Take the Shot.
Raise money for Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Defense
ReplyDeleteThe site has more information than a call for donations.
If "WE" don't wipe "THEM" out, they will certainly wipe "US" out, –– and in jig time from the present look of things.
ReplyDeleteBe sure to remember the line from A Midsummer Night's Dream.
"First, we kill all the lawyers."
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This is why We The People grant the the government a monopoly on violence. When they fail to exercise it, the stuff hits the fan.
ReplyDeleteThe mayors and officials who have allowed mobs to run rampant are criminally incompetent cowards.
Yes, but when "WE" are attacked or thereatened with violence, "WE" absoutely MUST have the right to KILL or at least MAIM our attackers with impunity
DeleteAggressors, –– bullies, thugs, serial harassers, rapists, kidnappers, blackailers and vandals –– must DIE.
The Law of Self-Preservation SUPERSEDES all these pettifogging "legalistic" considerations.
What Dickes said about "The Law" through the Beadl in Oliver Twist:
"... The LAW is a' ASS ..."
din rodef is the law of defense against aggressors... the law of self-preservation in an extra-judicial setting.
Delete...yet you say, "Nuts to that"?????
Franco,
Delete"... The LAW is a' ASS ..."
But not always!
I wholeheartedly agree with the NATURAL RIGHT we all have to defend ourselves, our family and our property. In a healthy society with a well-functioning government, that should be a rare occasion. We are an unhealthy, neo-pagan, deranged society ruled by a cowardly criminal class, so it is logical vigilantism is on the rise.
DeleteTHANK YOU, SilverFiddle!
DeleteWell, I blogged and broadcast the entire sequence and fortunately haven't been proved wrong yet for jumping to conclusions.
ReplyDeleteThe cops beating on that poor guy in James Woods post!
If only there was a choke hold or something that could avoid all that violence.
I ALL cases above, Kyle Rittenhouse was RETREATING from his PURSUERS.
ReplyDeletefrom "American Thinker"
Jurors need to understand the simple concept of din rodef, "the law of the pursuer." This gives defense attorneys a single word – rodef -- to explain the concept if jurors are not already familiar with it.
Rodef = One Who Pursues
A rodef (plural rodfim) is somebody who pursues somebody else with the objective of causing death or serious physical injury. Din rodef entitles the one pursued, or a bystander, to use reasonable force, up to and including deadly force, to stop the rodef from completing the intended violent crime. The principle is actually very similar to most modern laws. Deadly force cannot be used if lesser force will suffice, and the rodef ceases to be a rodef the instant he desists from his violent actions. Din rodef is also reflected by the modern adages (in the context of a fight or argument) such as "Never follow anybody into the parking lot" and "Never follow the other guy home" because these are prima facie evidence of malicious and violent intent. It's hard for a rodef to claim innocence or self-defense when things go bad.
erratum - "IN ALL cases" above.
DeleteNUTS to THAT! If anyone even TRIES to attack ME, or harm my family, friends or PROPERTY, I want the goddam bastard to DIE –– preferably ON the SPOT.
DeleteWhenever our society gets taken over by "JUNGLISTIC" ELEMENTS, the Law OF the Jungle must obtain.
When people behave like rampaging WILD BEASTS, they should be SHOT DEAD before they can do any further harm.
Disbelieve that at your peril.
THIS SUMMER WE HAVE REACHED THE POINT WHERE THE UTILITARIAN APPROACH MY BE OUR ONLY HOPE OF SAVING CIVILIZATION.
SEE WHAT I MEAN?
ReplyDeleteRevealed: Suspect, 48, in Fatal Shooting of Patriot Prayer Supporter is Dad-of-two Who Describes Himself as '100% ANTIFA' and 'Took a Loaded Gun to a Portland Protest [Riot] Earlier this Year'
Daily Mail (UK)
by Lauren Fruen
The suspect under investigation following the fatal shooting of a Patriot Prayer supporter has been named as a dad-of-two who describes himself as '100% ANTIFA'.
Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was named by The Oregonian Sunday evening as someone police are investigating.
He had already been accused of taking a loaded gun to an earlier Portland protest and social media posts show him attending Black Lives Matter protests.
Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson identified the victim of Saturday night's shooting as Aaron 'Jay' Danielson ... But he's also been very impulsive and irrational.'
Allegations surrounding his earlier arrest for carrying a loaded gun . . .
WITH CHARACTERS LIKE THIS RUNNING AROUND LOOSE IT IS ... W-E ... WHO MUST START CARRYING LOADED GUNS EVERYWHERE WE GO –– EVEN TO ... C_H_U_R_C_H ... APPARENTLY.
MEMBERS OF ANTIFA AND BLM SHOULD SHOWN NO MERCY. THEY MUST bE HUNTED DWN AND KILLED.
AGGRESSORS MUST BE SHOT DEAD. THEIR CHILDREN, IF ANY, WOULD BE BETTER OFF AS ORPHANED WARDS OF THE STATE THAN TO BE RAISED BY CRIMINAL PARENTS WHO DON'T DESEERVE TO LIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I like what Warren say about this matter in an earlier thread:
ReplyDeleteWhen the Government fails to enforce its laws and abrogates its responsibilities. When it turns its back and refuses to protect its law abiding citizens against the depredations of packs of hyenas; it should expect that the citizens will take matters in their own hands.
We are not peasants or peons, we are a free people with natural rights that cannot be taken away. A government that thinks that violence or self-defense is reserved exclusively to the State is a danger to its citizens.
Does anyone care to guess what I would do to some thug threatening to harm me, or my property or my friends and family?
I completely agree with Warren. Government at every level has failed us, but the more egregious failing is among the people who elected it.
DeleteI would not disagree with any part of this.
DeleteAmen.
DeleteAll of you actually do agree with me, but refuse to admit it in so many words, probably because I lack subtlety.
DeleteI am INTENSE. Aways too passionate, too direct, and too specific.–– but at least I am HONEST
Been that way all my life. I take after my Old Man who never minced words when he felt strongly about anything.
I was not raised to be a DIPLOMAT. Sorry, but I won't apologize for that.
I was told all the way back in childhood, "People aways shy away from INTENSITY."
A so I've been lonely most of my life, but at least I CAN SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT.
Franco,
DeleteAll of you actually do agree with me, but refuse to admit it in so many words, probably because I lack subtlety.
Another factor: people don't wish to be tracked (on the record). Jobs, for one thing.
Yes, as Shakespeare through the witch Hecate in MacBeth:
Delete"SECURitY IS MORTALS' CHIEFEST ENEMY."
When the desire merely to remain "SAFE" and "COMFORTABLE" overrides nobler, more substantive considerations –– as it so often does –– we become guilty of violating FIRST {RINCIP:ES. This makes us ordinary, gross, inconsequential and pusillanimous.
Trevor,
DeleteI had lost two places of employment because of my throwing security to the wind and speaking my mind -- 1977 and 2019.
I couldn't have done otherwise.
But I never had a mortgage or a car payment. Otherwise, I might have been more cautious. MIGHT!
WOWZER! NPR!
ReplyDelete“In Defense of Looting”? Seriously, Leftist Author Went There
Excerpt:
Writer Vicky Osterweil’s book, In Defense of Looting, came out on Tuesday. When she finished it, back in April, she wrote (rather presciently) that “a new energy of resistance is building across the country.” Now, as protests and riots continue to grip cities, she argues that looting is a powerful tool to bring about real, lasting change in society.
The rioters who smash windows and take items from stores, she says, are engaging in a powerful tactic that questions the justice of “law and order,” and the distribution of property and wealth in an unequal society.
Read the rest HERE.
Worth reading and watching:
ReplyDeleteThis Is What Led To The Kyle Rittenhouse Shooting, Anthony Huber Was Trying To Push a Flaming Dumpster Into Gasoline Pumps At a Gas Station.
Great find. Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero.
DeleteWhat led to the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting was a decision by a 17 year old boy waking up one day and deciding to cross state lines to insert himself into a potentially dangerous situation in which he had no stake.
ReplyDeleteHad he stayed home, in his own state, he would not be in jail today.
If we are going to take the stance that those killed by police bear responsibility because they didn't follow the law when confronted by police, shouldn't we expect the same of Rittenhouse? After all, he is a minor, not legally permitted to carry a firearm in Wisconsin.
I find no fault in what you’re saying, Dave. Two wrongs never make a right. One could also suggest that if the rioters had stayed home, or had they pursued peaceful demonstrations (which they have every right to do), rather than intentionally setting fires and damaging property (which the taxpayer or consumer will ultimately have to pay for), then ...
DeleteDave,
DeleteWhat led to the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting was a decision by a 17 year old boy waking up one day and deciding to cross state lines to insert himself into a potentially dangerous situation in which he had no stake.
I'm not sure how it started. I think I read that he went there to scrub off graffiti. Why was he armed? Probably something in his upbringing. Or perhaps the gun wasn't his but rather a loaner from someone in Kenosha. From what I understand, it is not a crime for a 16-year-old to be loaned a long rifle in Wisconsin -- and, obviously, to carry that long arm in the open. Here in Virginia, BTW, we can carry a handgun in the open, with certain exceptions (parks, schools, etc.).
I haven't had time to research what his parents have said -- if anything.
Dave, about guns in Wisconsin....
DeletePlease see What to know about Wisconsin's open-carry laws, self defense and more in Kenosha protest shootings.
There is a lot of information in the above, including the following:
Rittenhouse did not own the gun, his lawyer said Friday.
"Kyle did not carry a gun across state line," L. Lin Wood said in a tweet Friday morning. "The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the state of Wisconsin." .
Apparently, lots of ambiguities in Wisconsin law.
DeleteHad he stayed home, half the block he was defending would have blown up after the guy he killed pushed a lighted dumpster into the gasoline pump[s he was shot at. Who knows how many MORE innocent bystanders would have been killed, injured and burned?
DeleteKyle Rittenhouse is a HERO!
Funny how everyone says "he's a minor"... but nothing prevents any 17 year old with parental consent from enlisting in the USMC, USA, USN, USCG or USAF.
Deletemustang correctly points out that vigilantism only spirals the situation out of control.
DeleteRight now you have two sides which only want to destroy taking center stage.
Democratic politicians refusing to enforce the law makes vigilantism MANDATORY once one of two sides decides to BURN IT ALL DOWN.
DeleteLet me just add my two cents.
DeleteDave, you are factually wrong.
@ bird brain-
Delete"vigilantism only spirals the situation out of control."
In case you haven't noticed, the situation was already out of control. Or perhaps looting, arson, destruction of public and private property, plus unprovoked attacks on law abiding citizens, are the norm in the crap hole you live in.
Mustang and others... look, I'm not going to defend the rioters. They were/are wrong. Society never wins when destruction is used to "make your point" or to cause pain to bring ppl to the table. Believe me, I've seen it close up, first hand in Oaxaca, Mexico during the teacher strikes of 2006.
DeleteTo this day, the city has never been the same.
I appreciate you recognizing that if this guy had just stayed home, he would not have been in danger, would not have killed anyone, and would not be in jail.
If we hold the rioters responsible for their actions and assign them blame for their actions, surely we must do the same with Kyle.
And whether or not he could serve in the military at age 17 is not germane. He is legally a minor, though I am sure he will be charged as an adult.
Ed, I may have erred if in fact Kyle borrowed the gun after arriving in WI. Here's the applicable law on gun possession in Wisconsin...
"948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18. ... (a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."
Kyle was under 18, and armed, unsupervised. Thus, he broke the law.
I stand by my statement above...
Had he stayed home, in his own state, he would not be in jail today.
Dave,
DeleteIf _______________, then __________________ isn't all that helpful.
But I'll play along....
If these rioters had stayed home, Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't have shot anyone.
As for Wisconsin law, there is more to it that the Class A Misdemeanor phrase. The gun laws there are quite convoluted.
Addendum: I blame the elected public servants of Wisconsin and Kenosha for allowing all this to spin out of control.
DeleteMeanwhile, in Portland...
ReplyDeleteTrump Supporter Executed Walking Down The Street In Portland, BLM Celebrates And Cheers The Killing.
From the videos I have watched, there is no way that I would say that Kyle Rittenhouse executed anyone. In fact, he tried to turn himself in immediately afterwards, but the police vehicles zoomed on by.
Anyone fleeing his pursuers isn't executing ANYONE, by DEFINITION (din rodef)
DeleteYou could have linked to a clip of these "innocent" right wing thugs coming into town by the carload looking for a fight.
DeleteDuck,
DeleteYou can post such a clip here to the comments section.
Looks as if "the useful idiot" has outlived his usefulness:
DeletePortland's left-wing turns on Mayor Ted Wheeler.
"After a massive right-wing vehicle caravan Saturday, the Patriot Prayer member was killed."
Delete----------
From your linked article,AOW.
Duck,
DeleteYes, I saw that. But there was also a large influx of Leftists, including Antifa.
Portland appears to have been invaded for most of the last 90 days.
Ducky,
DeleteDo you deny Trump supporters have an equal right to the public square as the auntiefa and BLM Corporation communists?
I don't deny it at all but I maintain the situation is now just two sides wanting a fight.
DeleteDucky,
DeleteWow! We are in rare agreement!
Ducky and I are, I think, both old enough to remember the riots in the late 60's. Watts, Detroit, Philly, Harlem, and of course the Chicago 7, who we probably both supported at the time. What we are witnessing is a clear validation of Santayana's dictum that "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them".
DeleteThe current crop of "revolutionaries" have no idea of the fate they are tempting. Similar tactics in the past insured the election of Richard Nixon, and will probably guarantee the reelection of Trump.
Viburnum,
DeleteI, too, am old enough to remember.
My reaction at the time? "I'm swearing off politics. This is all so CRAZY!"
I didn't again enter the realm of watching politics until immediately following 9/11.
I remember the riots and the night James Brown saved Boston, Judge Hoffman and all the useless insanity of the era.
DeleteWith his trip to Kenosha, Bunker Boy must see maximum insanity as the way to get reelected.
Whatever new training takes place or methods used, clearly the police must be able to use more force when trying to arrest these drug crazed criminals. Time and again, two and three officers cannot control them. Stronger tazers, Marital arts, whatever. This cannot continue. Thanks for the link AOW.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens when the Sheriff deputizes the Citizens?
ReplyDeleteIt varies from state to state but for the most part, temporary deputy sheriffs and auxiliary sheriffs have police powers but usually aren't compensated for their time.
DeleteThere's That, but--what happens when the Sheriff deputizes the Citizens?
DeleteKyle Rittenhouse could have been deputize.
We will have to hear it in the Trial, if he is not pressured to plead out.
I have watched several videos -lawyers, going over frame by frame. The one shot in the arm held a hand gun. Put his arms up and walked back; to then walk forward with the hand gun pointed at Kyle. The guy with the Hand Gun Is A Felon. Why did he have a Hand Gun?
DeleteThere was a hand gun firing the first shot at the Garage. The Lawyer circled the muzzle blast. As well as the video program (Adobe) also sequenced the audio hand gun sound.
DeleteMaybe he faked out Kyle, and Kyle shot the first guy in the head; his head was covered with a T-Shirt to be a faceless initiator. Then the T-Shirt was used to cover the head wound.
The guy who fired the first shot could have been the guy Kyle later shot in the arm!
Always remember that it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
ReplyDeleteTrue dat.
ReplyDeleteI DO WISH THAT ALL HERE WOULD READ THE LAST LINK POSTED IN THE BODY OF THE BLOG POST. FEW HERE HAVE DONE SO.
ReplyDeleteHERE IS THE LINK:
Take the Shot.
Self defense is the raison d'etre of the 2nd Amendment. While the 2nd Amendment may have been intended to protect ourselves from the overreach of government, it applies equally to the egregious actions of our fellow citizens. I am not obliged to die for your cause. You are. And I have a perfect right to ensure that you do.
ReplyDeleteViburnum,
DeleteHEAR, HEAR!
What a despicable and false comparison!
ReplyDeleteIllinois Pastor Calls Kyle Rittenhouse ‘Mass Shooter’ like Dylann Roof
Dylan Roof was a bigoted assassin. From everything I've seen, Rittnenhouse was defending himself from a mob intent on taking his life. If you raise your hand to harm a fellow citizen, you have no cause for complaint when he defends himself.
DeleteFrom St. Louis Police Officer Dies After Being Shot in the Head:
ReplyDelete...ABC 13 reports that St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department Chief John Hayden noted the violence began when an armed man ordered a family to exit their home then barricaded himself inside Saturday night. He was apprehended just before 6 a.m. Sunday.
Hayden indicated that eight St. Louis police officers “have been shot in the line of duty since June 1.”
[African-American Officer] Bohannon was 29-years-old and had been with the police department for three and a half years....
Support Alternative Policing (aka - All Laws Optional)
ReplyDeleteThank you for posting "Take the Shot".
ReplyDeleteMy belief is that the young man was faced with a choice. Risk being killed or saving his own life.
If there is one cautionary note, it is someone still so young and not under chain of command, seeking to do the right thing. A man in his 20's or 30's might be equal in taking the shot, but maturity and experience also have play in understanding ThreatCon and surveillance of the surroundings.
I still support the right of each individual to self-preservation in the face of violent attack.
I LIKED THIS COMMENT, THOUGHT IT OUTSTANDING, AND WELL WORTH REPEATING:
ReplyDelete"WITH CHARACTERS LIKE BLM AND ANTIFA RUNNING AROUND LOOSE –– and LUNATICS LIKE NANCY PELOUSY, MITT ROMNEY, JERROLD NADLER CHUCK SCHUMER AND ADAM SCHITT, and THE SQUAD IN CONGRESS IT IS NECESSARY THAT ... W-E ... MUST START CARRYING LOADED GUNS EVERYWHERE WE GO –– EVEN TO ... C_H_U_R_C_H ... APPARENTLY.
MEMBERS OF ANTIFA AND BLM SHOULD SHOWN NO MERCY. THEY MUST BE HUNTED DWN AND ... K_I_L_L_E_D.
AGGRESSORS MUST BE SHOT DEAD. THEIR CHILDREN, IF ANY, WOULD BE BETTER OFF AS ORPHANED WARDS OF THE STATE THAN TO BE RAISED BY CRIMINAL PARENTS WHO DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT'S HIGH TIME WE ADOPTED A UTILITARIAN APPROACH TO PROBLEM SOLVING. THE GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO PROTECT US, SO WE ... M_U_S_T ... TAKE THE LAW INTO OUR OWN HANDS AND PROTECT OURSELVES.
UNTOLD THOUSANDS MAY DIE, BUT S___O ... W___H___A___T___?
As Jefferson wisely said, "The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed periodically wih the blood of patriots and tyrants . . ."
That it got to this point is beyond scandalous. Good work, commies.
ReplyDelete#FreeKyle