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| Silverfiddle Rant! |
The first clue President Trump's efforts to overturn the election were not serious was when he appointed stumblebum Rudy Giuliani to head up the effort. Everything that boob involves himself in is quickly reduced to a farcical shambles.
Rudy drools on himself in the courtroom and makes Biden look like the picture of youthful mental clarity, and judges all over the US are throwing out lawsuits left and right, but Team Trump continues to bang the drum on rightwing cable and talk radio. Is this a money grab of some kind, keeping the campaign going? I have my own suspicions...
They can yammer on all day about voting machines and mathematical algorithms, but until they bring the proof in a court of law, its all BS. It's time to pack up the circus tent, send Rudy off to rehab, and have the president deliver a gracious concession speech.
To my fellow Donald Trump voters, I urge you to turn it off, tune it out and drop the bullshitters from your life. Donald Trump did great things and showed the GOP how to win, but its time for him to go. And not return.
Disagree? Bring Evidence. Not Hannity blather, not talk radio talking points or news conference video. Evidence that can be presented to a judge in a court of law.
If you ever figure out Ghouliani's purpose please post it. We would all love to know. There is the rumor that he's asking for $20,000 a day for his "services". Some grift.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't say that tRump taught you how to win. He did lose the popular vote twice, a first.
I still don't understand what hi great achievements were beyond making corporate America more powerful.
In case you weren't paying attention, presidents are elected by the electoral college, not the popular vote.
DeleteAlso, you Dems got your asses handed to you all over the US. Pelosi is clinging to a fraying thread of a majority, and Repubes consolidated gains at the state level.
"Corporate America" funds the Democrat Party.
SF. It's America. You might be right.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't agree that it is time to quit.
And that is what you are advocating.
I will add, Sydney Powell is not to be trifled with.
DeletePowell can't produce evidence either. She's as big a joke as Ghouliani.
DeleteYou also may be right.
DeleteI'll wait.
Ed, I hope I'm wrong. There are people who talk, and people who do. Right now, this is looking like the former.
DeleteEd,
DeleteI'll wait.
That's where I am, too.
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DeleteDemocracy is broken. No one trusts the vote counters or the counting process. This system is done until we all meet on the campus martius and separate by legion again.
Deleteps - I'll no longer be voting. Voting is for suckers and chumps.
DeleteAthena has lost her battle with Enceladus.
DeleteUnder Mount Etna he lies,
DeleteIt is slumber, it is not death;
For he struggles at times to arise,
And above him the lurid skies
Are hot with his fiery breath.
The crags are piled on his breast,
The earth is heaped on his head;
But the groans of his wild unrest,
Though smothered and half suppressed,
Are heard, and he is not dead.
And the nations far away
Are watching with eager eyes;
They talk together and say,
"To-morrow, perhaps to-day,
Euceladus will arise!
And the old gods, the austere
Oppressors in their strength,
Stand aghast and white with fear
At the ominous sounds they hear,
And tremble, and mutter, "At length!"
Ah me! for the land that is sown
With the harvest of despair!
Where the burning cinders, blown
From the lips of the overthrown
Enceladus, fill the air.
Where ashes are heaped in drifts
Over vineyard and field and town,
Whenever he starts and lifts
His head through the blackened rifts
Of the crags that keep him down.
See, see! the red light shines!
'T is the glare of his awful eyes!
And the storm-wind shouts through the pines
Of Alps and of Apennines,
"Enceladus, arise!"
-HW Longfellow
Well said SF. Nobody wants to be on the losing side, especially of something important....but hard truths need to be faced.
ReplyDeleteThe Giuliani Variety Hour is just....embarrassing.
Everybody keeps saying "where's the evidence". Have you looked? Try here
ReplyDeletehttps://hereistheevidence.com/
Allegations and evidence are not the same thing.
DeleteCrap on a website means nothing. In front of a judge, something.
DeleteI'm waiting.
Sadly Silver, and CI for that matter, your position would define you both as RINOs were you not libertarians. A rare breath of fresh air. It's time for President Elect Biden, as all popularly elected presidential candidates in our lifetimes, to get the transition resources and access he needs so that he can get moving once he assumes office.
ReplyDeleteI'm no longer a libertarian. I cannot be defined by labels. Politically, I'm a man without a tribe, and that suits me fine.
DeleteYour first statement nailed it: Party politics is not about fundamental principles. Both parties are more like cheap religious movements.
SF,
DeleteUp votes for that comment.
I find political parties demeaning and worthless and cultish. I'm done with them! That's been the case for me for decades.
Just sayin'.
I am not in a party, but find myself allying with one.
Delete"Is this a money grab of some kind, keeping the campaign going?"
ReplyDeleteYes.
"...until they bring the proof in a court of law, its all BS".
Yes.
"It's time to... have the president deliver a gracious concession speech".
He won't.
"Donald Trump did great things..."
He did not. It's going to take a LOT of work to clean up the mess Donald left behind. But that's been the case for decades now. An incoming Democratic president has to fix the disasters wrought by the outgoing republican. Thank God that, unlike with gwb, the people wisely sent Donald packing after one disastrous term.
Four years of the tripe! Same 'ol same 'ol.
DeleteAll that mideast peace is really messy... Jobs...
ReplyDeletehttps://frankreport.com/2020/04/18/one-hundred-twenty-five-amazing-accomplishments-of-president-donald-j-trump/
What? You trying to confuse the children with facts?
DeleteJobs? Trump's job losses are the worst of any American president on record.
DeleteDervish,
DeleteDisingenuous.
Excerpt from the link you provided:
To be sure, the bulk of the job losses in the Trump economy were precipitated by the shutdown orders associated with the worst pandemic in 100 years.
"I would say Covid-19 is one hell of an extenuating circumstance," said Greg Valliere, chief US policy strategist for AGF Investments.
I keep hearing this refrain:
whether the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic is responsible for deeper economic damage than would have taken place had the White House taken a more active role in fighting coronavirus,
and wonder what EXACTLY he should have done. This is a damn virus and will behave as viruses do -- ever in search of hosts.
AOW stated... [I]... wonder what EXACTLY he [Pres Trump] should have done.
DeletePresident Trump was dealt a tough hand, perhaps a hand no sitting president could have successfully navigated. That said, I think there are a few things he could have done...
He should have been upfront and not used all the "We're gonna be fine in the fall" language.
He could have told the truth, that he knew, based on his own words on the Woodward tapes, that this was horrible. Americans can handle the truth.
He could have invoked his emergency powers to force companies to produce PPE for health care professionals and N95 [which we still can't get] masks for the general populace.
He could have personally followed the advice of his medical advisors and better advocated for wearing masks as much as possible.
He could have avoided mocking people who yes, are afraid, but who wear masks.
His admin worked their asses off at the front end for New York, getting ventilators, etc in the initial wave. He did call for a national shutdown, which helped keep the early numbers from going crazy. But then he almost immediately undercut his own message by advocating against it.
No president is gonna get something like this perfect. But like Churchill, when you call and declare a National Emerrgency, as Pres Trump did, tell us the truth, force businesses to provide what we need and graciously lead.
I should add also... Pres Trump and his Admin have as best we can tell, done a great job of getting vaccines moving and developed.
DeleteNothing short of miraculous.
I suspect that may be the defining good achievement of his presidency...
Dave,
DeleteHindsight is always 20-20.
That said, Trump has always spoken in optimistic terms -- perhaps because of his braggart personality and way of speaking.
I, too, cringed at some of his statements, particularly "We're gonna be fine in the fall" language and his recent statements that the virus was receding when it clearly was not.
Good point here that you made: forced production of PPE for health care professionals and N95 [which we still can't get] masks for the general populace.
He could have told the truth, that he knew, based on his own words on the Woodward tapes, that this was horrible. Americans can handle the truth.
I'm not so sure about that last sentence. And we also have even experts debating what the truth is about this virus. This, as one example: "Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public" - Cambridge-Trained Physician Drops Truth Bomb on COVID.
I thought that he did invoke emergency powers.
Dave,
DeleteThank you for acknowledging Trump's great move with the initiation of Operation Warp Speed. He should definitely get credit for that!
Rev, Trump screwed up but so did de blacio, pelosi, cooper especially killer cuomo who is getting an academy award instead of a jail cell.
DeleteAOW... he did invoke those emergency powers, but never used them to force production of US Made N95's. A huge mistake in my opinion.
DeleteAll medical ppl tell us to wear N95's, but we can't them. Why not? Because we don't have sufficient capacity to make them.
That's probably the biggest single short coming of this admin. It makes me wonder why he bothered with the Emer Powers.
I've used the KN95's from China. And I'll be honest, I'd rather have US made, but I can't.
Skud... there's lots of blame to go around, and as AOW said, hindsight is 20/20. But those with the greatest power to affect an outcome, or change, are the most culpable. That means for me, Trump gets the lion's share of the blame followed by, from your list, Cuomo.
Pelosi gets lumped with McConnell as US business owners fail and families and school districts go broke.
Cooper, I assume you mean Anderson, is a nothing burger. Nothing more than the chattering class. Better than some, worse than others.
Skudrunner,
Deletecuomo who is getting an academy award
Really? What for?
Dave,
DeleteAll medical ppl tell us to wear N95's, but we can't them. Why not? Because we don't have sufficient capacity to make them.
That's probably the biggest single short coming of this admin.
I'll agree on that!
Not all Fox News pundits are equal.
ReplyDeleteWatch this clip from last night's episode of Tucker Carlson.
"Rudy drools on himself in the courtroom and makes Biden look like the picture of youthful mental clarity,"
ReplyDeleteThe low point was watching him sweat with his Number 9 Black hair dye rolling down the side of his face. Was I the only one who found this to say it all about Rudy?
I notice that Di Genova and his wife were strangely silent...the better spokespeople for the case whatever that may be..
Rudy screwed up and around the Ukraine case... why have him head up this number? It's going to take a lot more than statistical analysis and sworn affidavits. Rudy is counting on the Supremes. They will never ever vote to have the cities burn to the ground and start a civil war.
But I am willing to wait... good luck America.
Bunkerville,
DeleteThe low point was watching him sweat with his Number 9 Black hair dye rolling down the side of his face. Was I the only one who found this to say it all about Rudy?
You are not alone! Rudy needs to be taken away from in front of the camera!
PS: It was painful to watch!
DeleteTo those threatening civil war if Biden takes office, all I can ask is that you do go terrorist and remove your uniforms. Leave your red hats on so you can be found.
DeleteThe GOP is not threatening....look elsewhere.
Delete😏
DeleteAlways On Watch: It was painful to watch!
DeleteIt was hilarious it watch! btw, the "GOP" might not be threatening, but what about the Proud Boys who are standing by ready to do violence as soon as tRump gives the word?
Dervish,
Deletewhat about the Proud Boys who are standing by ready to do violence as soon as tRump gives the word?
I call BS on that. Proud Boys do, of course, fight back if someone else starts the fight.
Antifa and BLM are the ones committing acts of violence.
There is plenty of video footage showing the 'proud boys' starting fights in and around Portland. Let's not act like there aren't small minded people who really need a hobby, on both 'sides' of this.
DeleteBellingcat has done some good investigative reporting on the 'patriot coalition' in the Northwest. It' worth a read, since much of the oxygen gets used up on 'antifa'.
Deletehttps://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/09/23/patriot-coalition-far-right-chat-logs-violence/
The proud Boys control the Portland County Council and Mayor? Who knew?
DeleteMeanwhile, we have this:
ReplyDeleteCalifornia Dem Official Wonders How To ‘Deprogram’ Conservatives Like In ‘Post-WWII Germany’!
And Bunkerville has this, also from David Atkins (and others agreeing):
We have to start thinking in terms of ... the failures of Reconstruction in the South.
Bunker asked about Rudy G... "why have him head up this number?"
ReplyDeleteBecause the serious lawyers all quit, fearing for their careers. Look at the court filings, where you need to bring evidence. The real lawyers have said, in court that they are not alleging fraud. Because they have no evidence. President Trump wants them to go to court and argue fraud. But it takes a certain kind of lawyer to do that, and risk sanction or disbarment with no evidence.
Threatened by who? Links please.
DeleteJoe and CI... threatened by reality.
DeleteYou can't go into court and argue a case without evidence. As of today, the string is now up to 30 cases that have been dismissed, by Judges appointed by GW Bush, Obama and yes, President Trump.
They've all asked for the evidence of fraud and it simply is not forthcoming.
Even Giuliani in court admitted, yes, there's a transcript, that this is not about fraud.
Who wants to lose their license by lying and filing fantasy lawsuits?
I'll reiterate: President Trump putting Rudy tootie toot toot in front of this is a sure sign the President is not serious about overturning the election.
DeleteAbout threats...
DeleteThe lawless fantasy to oust all the election lawyers of Donald Trump by Jonathan Turley.
IF Trump's law firms are indeed being threatened and IF the media aren't reporting those threats (Orwell's Ministry of Truth?), then America has a huge problem. Team Trump is within Trump's legal rights to challenge the election results.
Please notice that I said IF.
SF,
DeleteI'll reiterate: President Trump putting Rudy tootie toot toot in front of this is a sure sign the President is not serious about overturning the election.
I disagree.
That Trump isn't out there in front of the cameras doing his usual schtick indicates to me that he's stepping back because he IS serious about "overturning" the election results.
threats...
DeleteGiuliani is not a serious lawyer. He hasn't been in a court room for over 20 years. Compare this farce to how Gore and Bush lawyered up in 2000. Those were some serious cats on both sides.
DeleteSydney Powell isn't a "serious cat?" Joe DeGenova and his wife are a joke? Who knew?
Delete...and did Dubya have the entire MSM hating on him, or was needing PR in the face of absolute press and nominal digital censorship a factor in HIS case? Rudy is a great PR maching. I LOVE Rudy G. He could have been a candidate in the presidential race.
Delete...which gives him a credibility no Lawfare/Brooking's "Biden lawyers" will EVER have with the publics
Delete:p
DeleteGiuliani is not a serious lawyer.
DeleteGiuliani's transformation from 'America's Mayor' to Drunky the Clown, is one of the saddest slides I've seen in a public figure.
...and Trump is not a serious real estate investor.
DeleteIt's amazing what one can do with four years of mainstream press character assassination...
Rudy's about to do to the Democrats what he did to the mafia's five crime families.
DeleteThis is what SERIOUS lawyering looks like.
DeleteThis crooked election was compromised across the whole country. The courts should order a new election with in person paper ballots only and hand counting with equal representation for both the counting & inspections, and doing so with legitimate poll-watchers, and legitimate machines, but that's a long shot.
ReplyDeleteSo my advice is to contact the legislatures in every state & let them know we are all paying attention to what has been happening.. . They can't certify the results of a fraudulent election or the whole system will collapse, and our elections in the future will be all fraudulent.
Either the courts order the House settle it or they ignore it & try to install the Chinese puppet.
No matter what, this is going to result in chaos & violence, from the public.
Thanks Democrats for putting in Fraudulent ways, and systems of STEALING the elections of our President
This election was no more riddled with fraud than any others. Until we have voter ID presented prior to voting and poll workers who are unbiased we will have corruption.
ReplyDeleteWhat sets this election apart is the appeal to the lazy voter which worked well for one side. We have had absentee voting for decades but you have to take some initiative to get a ballot. This time millions were mailed with no action on the part of voter. You don't need to do anything to vote and you can do it from your couch or basement. It does make accusations and commercials more effective because they take away any reason to think which out low energy voter hates, thinking.
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DeleteSkudrunner: This election was no more riddled with fraud than any others.
DeleteIt was significantly more riddled with fraud. Although it was election fraud, not voter fraud. Louis DeJoy should be charged, convicted and serve time.
I thought that there wasn't any proof of voter fraud, so we never need to concern ourselves about it...
DeleteWhere are all the signature records for those "absentee ballots"?
DeleteI'm with ya on the lip service, but what about this person on DJT's legal management team?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3oW75LS2aw&feature=emb_logo
Never mind. It's Jenna Ellis.
DeleteUh, oh! What's THIS?
ReplyDeleteIf They Have Nothing to Hide, Why Are They Hiding from Us?" PA GOP SLAMS Dominion who SKIP Hearing
The most ridiculous assertion of all is that the machine makers were "in on it." Absurd.
Delete...and Volkswagon would never fake EPA data...
Delete...and Boeing would never pull fast ones' on the FAA.
DeleteFollow the money. I don't know how much is dominion's contract worth, but I doubt it's sufficient temptation to explain fraud on this scale. Risk far outstrips reward.
DeleteBlogspot comments need like buttons. Likes for for VW and BA comments.
Deletebtw, sf - I can't wait until the NEXT McDonald's Monopoly McMillions contest. It's CERTAIN to be fair in its' prize distributions.... the idea of ANY fraud would HAVE to a ABSURD!
DeleteTrump is the true perpetrator of election fraud (excerpt) Yes, there is election fraud. ... President Donald Trump's attempts to steal the election and win another term are exceedingly unlikely to work. But he is already succeeding in undermining key democratic norms on which our society functions by questioning the results without evidence, falsely alleging voter fraud, and... even reaching out to a local election official charged with certifying results.
DeleteThere's PLENTY of evidence, and it's long past time that THAT evidence not get swept under the rug as has been done in past elections.
DeleteSo F*CK your "norms" of allowing Democrats to rig their own city elections.
:p
DeleteFJ,
DeleteWe elected Trump to upend those "norms" -- and many other norms"!
I read the other day that 30% of Dems polled believe that this election was stolen from Trump. Hmmmmm....
I don't support imaginary norms. I highly doubt any such poll showing any percentage of Democrats thinking the election was stolen from tRump exists. If the fraud was as massive as the tRump "legal team" claims (only outside of court) they would prove it. As opposed to getting cases tossed due to a lack of evidence.
DeleteDervish,
DeleteI highly doubt any such poll showing any percentage of Democrats thinking the election was stolen from tRump exists.
I don't talk out of my a$$. Here is what I saw: 30% of Democrats Believe Election Stolen from Trump.
I confirmed at Twitter.
That poll should of course, be viewed through the Right's distrust if not outright disdain of polling, no?
DeleteSo they "feel" the election was stolen. All without evidence.
DeleteIt's even worse on the Republican side. I thought you were the side of reason not feelings.
So much lately seems to be "I believe" and "I feel" and "I think." On all sides.
DeleteLet's see what the courts decide.
rasmussen question wording
Delete3* How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win - very likely, somewhat likely, not very likely or not at all likely?
Not included in that question is whether the suspected fraud is on the necessary scale to secure the win. For example, I would respond "very likely" to this question, but I do not think that Trump would have won in a perfectly fair contest.
AOW said... "let the courts decide."
DeleteThe courts have decided, time and time again. No fraud. Even the president's legal team has said, in court, they are "Not alleging fraud." The Trump Admin has publicly stated, the president's denials notwithstanding, that "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.
The conservative judge in Pennsylvania stated of the latest attempt by the Trump Campaign to overturn the election that his lawyers had failed to present “compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption” in their unprecedented bid to invalidate millions of ballots.
“Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by the evidence,” Brann fumed.
“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”
Even GOP Senator Pat Toomey agreed with the judge and stated afterwards that he knew the conservative judge to fair and unbiased, that Joe Biden had won and will be the 46th president of the US.
In fact, the Trump Admin has lost, or withdrawn over 30 cases that it has tried to argue in front of courts and judges across the US.
The courts have decided.
From what I understand, all legal avenues are not yet exhausted.
DeleteI'll wait.
Rasmussen Polling found this week that 75% of Republicans believe it is likely the election was stolen from Trump.
DeleteAnd, even 30% of Democrats believe that it was stolen...
...from Biden, whose victory would have been even larger without DeJoy delaying mail-in ballots.
A very courageous post, Silver...
ReplyDeleteMy suspicion is that the farcical errors and terrible optics are deliberate. They get maximum coverage from late night comedians and stick in people's minds. (Related note, did you know that commercials are deliberately made to be annoying? They're more memorable that way.) 10 years from now everyone will recall giuliani at the wrong 4 seasons far more vividly than we currently remember Al Gore's more dignified dispute from 2000.
ReplyDeleteFor what it's worth, I've linked to this post. Ta.
ReplyDeleteThis appears to be slanted in Trump's favor, but is still an informative read as to the process of these election challenges...
ReplyDeleteFEC Chairman: Trump campaign bringing 'legitimate accusations' of election fraud to court.
Teaser: The "massive amounts of affidavits that we see in these cases show that there was in fact fraud that took place," said FEC Chairman Trey Trainor: "And the other side really needs to answer these questions".
Aren't unproven affidavits just accusations? The Trump campaign has had almost three weeks and is still only coming up with accusations.
DeleteAs Silver said, bring evidence. And no matter how many affidavits there are, unless those are proven, and the Trump campaign has so far not been able to do that, they are proof of nothing.
At least in a legal sense. Little more than he said/she said.
Sworn testimony in Court is evidence. If these people are lying, you can send them to jail.
DeleteDid you ever see "My Cousin Vinny". The point is to use "other /physical" evidence to DISPROVE or to CORABORATE testimony. It's simply "evidence of another type". And in MANY civil and criminal cases, it doesn't exist. It literally comes down to "He said," "She said." Except we now have hundreds have 'literally' of "He saids" and the video evidence to back many of them up.
Delete...and then there's Biden's video confession.
DeleteWhat about Dotard confessing during his impeachment to hiding evidence of his guilt? That's a REAL confession, unlike the video you linked to, which is just Biden misspeaking.
DeleteIn scathing ruling, judge dismisses Trump campaign's effort to overturn election results in Pennsylvania
ReplyDeleteThrowing crap at the wall to see what sticks is not a legal strategy.
They're making broader Constitutional arguments meant to be won in appeals, not the biased courts in which they must be filed ie Detroit, Atlaant, Philadelphia, etc.... and that is a sound legal strategy
DeleteThe point is to get TO the appeals court ASAP!
Deletecapiche?
Delete"Pennsylvania will flip to tRump"... LOL. The hair dye running down the sides of Giuliani's head was ON PURPOSE... LOL! Dotard is an evil genius... LOL!!! Hilarious video :)
DeleteA development today:
ReplyDeleteTrump legal team shuns Sidney Powell as insiders and national security officials see no evidence supporting her voting machine claims.
She was going to take down Georgias Republican Governor for taking kickbacks from Dominion.... the GOPe must have balked.
DeleteSee the "Reason" press relese from today...
DeleteOf ALL Trump's lawyers, she's the one I trusted most to take on the Deep Staters of all stripes... but it looks like Trump is only interested in taking out half the swamp.
DeleteSince Trump Inc. is part of the 'swamp'.....that would be fratricide now wouldn't it?
DeleteFJ,
DeleteSee the "Reason" press relese from today...
Link?
link.
ReplyDeletePowell appears to have taken the announcement in stride. “I agree with the statement today. I will represent #WeThePeople and seek the Truth,” she said in a statement. “I intend to expose all the fraud and let the chips fall where they may. We will not allow the foundations of this great Republic to be destroyed by abject fraud or our votes for President Trump and other Republicans to be stolen by foreign interests or anyone else.”
Exposing Republic corruption is also needed...
...but Republicans don't see it that way.
DeleteJoe,
DeleteThe vultures assembling and protecting their paychecks do not want Powell getting paid, nor do they want any financial liability. That’s all this statement is.
Could well be. I hadn't thought of that angle.
Damn, but politics is corrupt!
Amen!!
DeleteJoe,
Delete2006!!!
Yeo... the GOPe money angle seems to have come from Mike Flynn...
DeleteSounds like Bev Harris and black box voting.
DeletePlus change, plus la meme chose.
Dominion is the Democrat's Diebold? LOL.
DeleteMakes you long for "hanging chads"...
Delete