There’s a significant difference in waiting for official certification than refusing the start of a smooth and peaceful transition under a fabricated premise of a “stolen election”.
Have to share a funny story about Bunkerville...I posted how Biden had gone to the Korea War Memorial and asked why he might have gone there....she said he probably thought this was the last war we'd had :-)
Ya, we're going to get a LOT of lies soon....one will be "OH, did I say we'd only raise taxes on those making MORE than $400K a year? HAHAHAHA! ! What was I THINKING?" :-(
Ducky "get over it" is my favorite liberal hypocrisy. Who on the Left "GOT OVER IT" after Trump won? Oh, that's right; he didn't REALLY win, right? If I didn't see the kind of cabinet he apparently is being bugged to accept, and if we wouldn't ever trust an election again, and if AOC would shut up and leave whatever pride the Left ever had alone, I'd say I don't really care about Biden's win because, particularly after 2 years of rising crime, and particularly when jobs go south because of Bernie's minimum wage he's fighting for, and corporations going back to Asia due to taxes, heck, who wouldn't vote for Republicans in the midterms and a Republican president in 2024? Americans were stupid enough to elect Biden with Harris somehow, but do it again? I'm thinking not. I have often said at my blog "The pendulum won't swing back again" I have hope now. Congratulations :-)
You can't mean that they move their headquarters to Asia,or maybe you do. The right believes some strange things. Maybe you can give some examples of manufacturing jobs that came back to America due to tRump's tariff policy. It's true that the balance of payments with China did improve but the imports come from Mexico (yeah, you probably believe he renegotiated the trade deal in our favor) and Vietnam instead. Jobs did not relocate to the U.S.
I remember liberals being really, really surpised (and upset) by the 2016 result, but I don't remember them refusing to accept it. Was it more than the odd one? Clinton herself conceded, of course.
I am the Resistence, We are the Resistencece, is what was said, by several members of the Dems in the Congress. We are going to Impeach Trump, was said, by several members of the Dems in the Congress.
I'm sure we can go back and find all sorts, but what I remember is a large section of the electorate who couldn't accept 2016 emotionally and they vented that, sure; but they didn't confuse that with not accepting it intellectually, which is what trump and his base are doing. In '16, the losing side was surprised and angry. Today the losing side is upset and demanding that reality conform to their emotions (while ironically denigrating everyone else for being "snowflakes"). It's not the same thing, is it?
AOW - After the recounts, and assuming the remainder of his legal battles are adjudicated in a manner consistent with track record so far...will you accept that he legitimately lost? Because at present, it seems few in the Trump camp can even envision a reality where he didn't win.
Not to minimise or excuse harrasing people in restaurants, but that's venting frustration which is different from refusal to accept the election result. Asking for recounts is fine, but I think that baseless allegations of fraud are tacky and undermine what is (always has been, and hopefully will continue to be) great about your country. Where is Trump's patriotism? I approve of whistle-blowers bringing specific allegations; but half-cocked un-evidenced vague -- but always strictly along partisan lines -- smears don't show a lot of love for the country if you ask me. It would be interested to see a truly dispassionate comparison of the impeachment allegations vs Trump's election fraud allegations.
Jez, Harassment extends into violence. Last night, for example, some post-demonstration Trumpers were eating outside in the D.C. Capital Hilton; along came BLM and/or Antifa, and they threw fireworks on them. Good way to put out someone's eye or cause a detached retina.
As for baseless allegations of fraud (the refrain offered by almost all the media), that's up to the courts to decide. WE THE PEOPLE are not actually privy to any evidence.
CI, After the recounts, and assuming the remainder of his legal battles are adjudicated in a manner consistent with track record so far...will you accept that he legitimately lost? Because at present, it seems few in the Trump camp can even envision a reality where he didn't win.
I'll have to accept it -- just as I accepted that BHO was the POTUS for 8 years.
The above said, something stinks in all this. And I believe that all these mail-in ballots put the integrity of the ballot box at extreme risk. So easy to subvert mail-in ballots!
It simply defies credulity that Biden got so many votes!
It simply defies credulity that Biden got so many votes!
This speaks to my point. At no other time in my politically aware lifetime, has there been such opposition to a sitting POTUS, not only from his opposition, but from within his own party.
I expected Trump to lose, and while it could have gone either way....it certainly doesn't 'defy' credulity.
AoW that's certainly outrageous, but we're talking about whether these guys believed the outcome of the election. Sure, elections are distorted through disinformation from foreign powers and data-driven campaign efforts. But the counts themselves are generally considered to have been imperfect but adequate. Until now. Trump and his supporters are not shy about releasing evidence and bogus analyses. If there was any good evidence, I doubt he'd be sitting in it. And anyway, his mo is clearly to smear the process first and collect the evidence (ie conduct a fishing expedition) second. If by some miraculous coincidence he uncovers some fraud, it doesn't alter the fact that at the time when he's saying all this he didn't know. Is that unimportant?
Jez, that's certainly outrageous, but we're talking about whether these guys believed the outcome of the election
Look. The Trumpers had a valid permit to assemble. Assemble they did. When they dispersed, the THUGS, who certainly did not have a permit, came out and, in many cases, attacked the most vulnerable -- i.e., the elderly.
As for voter fraud, it's apparently been going on for a long time, and nobody much challenged the final count. That doesn't mean that the final count wasn't way off. Let's see what the courts rules, not beat up people in the streets.
We're talking about different things. The seriousness of the assaults does not bear on the distinction I'm making, which is between rejecting the reality of a result, and merely being cross about it.
What Is Happening to America? We Have All Become So Relaxed and So Naive, Trusting Our Government to investigate the Fraud that the Democratic Socialis’s have committed on us! , We Tend to Leave it in Their Hands & Hope They Make the Right Decisions, .....Not this Time, If You and I Want to Live in a Country with out a Socialist like Kamala Harris or a Dictator who might be the next jerk that George Soros picks. ........Then it Is Important That We Write to Our Senators and Congressman and Join the Conservative Party and Do Something That Will Help Change this New Obama Health Care Change..........He Said Be for He Was Elected..."Change" Well If the Health Care Goes Through There Is Definitely Going to Be "Change" and Not for the Better.............Lets Stop this Before We Lose Our Country to People Like the LUNATICS in the Squad/ .
If Congress isn't listening now, they will have to listen to the 2024 elections. The question is, will the voters just talk about it on Facebook, or Yell?
What would you do if you left the front door open to your house and one day you went into your living room and saw some guy stting in your favorite chair, smoking one of your best Cigars that you have in a box on the table. And drinking some of your best Scotch right out of the bottle. A closer look finds that they guy is unshaven, and filthy.?
You saw enough, so you call the the Police, they won’t come. So you call the FBI, same answer, you call ICE, you call the Feds, but they won’t come. They ignore your plea’s for help. WHY? What the hell is going on? Oh they were DEFUNDED! . The frustration is building, after all, it is your house. but they tell you their hands are tied and there is nothing they can do because federal law says they can’t
So,You’re helpless.
You contemplate moving to another State, because you like in Andrew Cupmo’s New York., so FORGETABOUTIT. Perhaps taking the law into your own hands, but wait…. There is a better solution! Create a state law that says you can do that.. So you do. But nobody care.
The next thing you see is just unbelievable… buses are pulling up in front of your home, protests are forming, people are calling you racist and they are calling for your eviction. They want to boycott your sources of income. They want to take over your house and live there.... you and make you pay.
AW...You're right. It could never happen here in the good ole USA
Mal, Somewhere out on the Left Coast the other day, one of strongest advocates of defunding the police called the police to complain that the Lyft driver had the vehicle's window down. One can only home that the police didn't answer the phone. LOL.
* It was you who spoke these words at an Islamic dinner – “I am one of you.”
* It was you who on ABC News referenced – “My Muslim faith.”
* It was you who gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build foreign mosques.
* It was you who wrote that in the event of a conflict- “I will stand with the Muslims.”
* It was you who assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that – “I am a Muslim.”
* It was you who bowed in submission before the Saudi King.
* It was you who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning America and professing Marxism.
* It was you who exempted Muslims from penalties under Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.
* It was you who purposefully omitted – “endowed by our Creator ” – from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence.
* It was you who mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ’s Sermon On The Mount while repeatedly referring to the ‘HOLY’ Qur’an.
* It was you who traveled the Islamic world denigrating the United States Of America.
* It was you who instantly threw the support of your administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.
* It was you who refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the White House,* It was you who ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested the mosques you have visited to adjust their decor.
* It was you who appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar Corps.
* It was you who appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland Security.
* It was you who said that NASA’s “foremost mission” was an outreach to Muslim communities.
* It was you who as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual who would speak in favor of infanticide.
* It was you who was the first President not to give a Christmas Greeting from the White House, and went so far as to hang photos of Chairman Mao on the White House tree.
* It was you who curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic terrorists.
* It was you who refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an Islamic terrorist.
* It is you who has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights abuses.
* It was you who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists assaults.
* It was you who funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to Hamas.
* It was you who ordered the United States Postal Service to honor the MUSLIM holiday with a new commemoration stamp.
* It was you who directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to help “empower” the British Muslim community.
* It was you who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country.
* It is you who follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of jewelry during Ramadan.
* It is you who departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal White House religious events.
* It was you who was uncharacteristically quick to join the chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, formerly America’s strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.
* It was you who appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, an Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.
YES, IT WAS YOU WHO SAID ALL THOSE THINGS! SO, ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL “GUSSHING” OVER OBAMA, I SUGGEST THAT YOU MAY HAVE CONVENIENTLY FORGOT THOSE THING, BUT I’M HERE TO REMIND YOU.
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That presumes he has a mind to be changed.
ReplyDeleteThere’s a significant difference in waiting for official certification than refusing the start of a smooth and peaceful transition under a fabricated premise of a “stolen election”.
ReplyDeleteGee AOW he said that so long ago... you are asking a lot of him that he remember,,,, :)Let's see do I push the Red Button now or later? Even better.
ReplyDeleteHave to share a funny story about Bunkerville...I posted how Biden had gone to the Korea War Memorial and asked why he might have gone there....she said he probably thought this was the last war we'd had :-)
ReplyDeleteYa, we're going to get a LOT of lies soon....one will be "OH, did I say we'd only raise taxes on those making MORE than $400K a year? HAHAHAHA! ! What was I THINKING?" :-(
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DeleteYour candidate lost. Get over it.
DeleteThe corrupt Democrat election officials in Philly have spoken!
DeleteDucky "get over it" is my favorite liberal hypocrisy. Who on the Left "GOT OVER IT" after Trump won? Oh, that's right; he didn't REALLY win, right? If I didn't see the kind of cabinet he apparently is being bugged to accept, and if we wouldn't ever trust an election again, and if AOC would shut up and leave whatever pride the Left ever had alone, I'd say I don't really care about Biden's win because, particularly after 2 years of rising crime, and particularly when jobs go south because of Bernie's minimum wage he's fighting for, and corporations going back to Asia due to taxes, heck, who wouldn't vote for Republicans in the midterms and a Republican president in 2024? Americans were stupid enough to elect Biden with Harris somehow, but do it again? I'm thinking not. I have often said at my blog "The pendulum won't swing back again" I have hope now. Congratulations :-)
DeleteZ, how does a corporation move to Asia?
DeleteYou can't mean that they move their headquarters to Asia,or maybe you do. The right believes some strange things. Maybe you can give some examples of manufacturing jobs that came back to America due to tRump's tariff policy.
It's true that the balance of payments with China did improve but the imports come from Mexico (yeah, you probably believe he renegotiated the trade deal in our favor) and Vietnam instead.
Jobs did not relocate to the U.S.
I remember liberals being really, really surpised (and upset) by the 2016 result, but I don't remember them refusing to accept it. Was it more than the odd one? Clinton herself conceded, of course.
DeleteJez, The left still will not accept Donald Trump is president.
DeleteI am the Resistence, We are the Resistencece,
Deleteis what was said, by several members of the Dems
in the Congress.
We are going to Impeach Trump, was said, by several members of the Dems in the Congress.
Starting right after Trump was sworn in.
Remember, remember, remember?
I'm sure we can go back and find all sorts, but what I remember is a large section of the electorate who couldn't accept 2016 emotionally and they vented that, sure; but they didn't confuse that with not accepting it intellectually, which is what trump and his base are doing. In '16, the losing side was surprised and angry. Today the losing side is upset and demanding that reality conform to their emotions (while ironically denigrating everyone else for being "snowflakes"). It's not the same thing, is it?
DeleteJez,
Deletewhat I remember is a large section of the electorate who couldn't accept 2016 emotionally
For one thing, they harassed Trump supporters at restaurants.
For another, all the impeachment nonsense, which tied up Congress for weeks and cost a bundle.
If I had more time, I could list more.
Jez,
DeleteToday the losing side is upset and demanding that reality conform to their emotions
Demanding a recount is legal. After all, this election was close, close, close -- and the first National Election with mounds of mail-in ballots.
AOW - After the recounts, and assuming the remainder of his legal battles are adjudicated in a manner consistent with track record so far...will you accept that he legitimately lost? Because at present, it seems few in the Trump camp can even envision a reality where he didn't win.
DeleteNot to minimise or excuse harrasing people in restaurants, but that's venting frustration which is different from refusal to accept the election result.
DeleteAsking for recounts is fine, but I think that baseless allegations of fraud are tacky and undermine what is (always has been, and hopefully will continue to be) great about your country. Where is Trump's patriotism? I approve of whistle-blowers bringing specific allegations; but half-cocked un-evidenced vague -- but always strictly along partisan lines -- smears don't show a lot of love for the country if you ask me.
It would be interested to see a truly dispassionate comparison of the impeachment allegations vs Trump's election fraud allegations.
Jez,
DeleteHarassment extends into violence. Last night, for example, some post-demonstration Trumpers were eating outside in the D.C. Capital Hilton; along came BLM and/or Antifa, and they threw fireworks on them. Good way to put out someone's eye or cause a detached retina.
As for baseless allegations of fraud (the refrain offered by almost all the media), that's up to the courts to decide. WE THE PEOPLE are not actually privy to any evidence.
CI,
DeleteAfter the recounts, and assuming the remainder of his legal battles are adjudicated in a manner consistent with track record so far...will you accept that he legitimately lost? Because at present, it seems few in the Trump camp can even envision a reality where he didn't win.
I'll have to accept it -- just as I accepted that BHO was the POTUS for 8 years.
The above said, something stinks in all this. And I believe that all these mail-in ballots put the integrity of the ballot box at extreme risk. So easy to subvert mail-in ballots!
It simply defies credulity that Biden got so many votes!
Jez,
DeleteTHIS is a lot more than venting frustration...
DC: Antifa and BLM physically assault a Trump Supporter by macing him and beating him over the head with a flag pole
Many more of these violent attacks last night in D.C. upon Trump supporters, who did, BTW, have a lawful permit!
Just take a look at Drew Hernandez's Twitter feed!
It simply defies credulity that Biden got so many votes!
DeleteThis speaks to my point. At no other time in my politically aware lifetime, has there been such opposition to a sitting POTUS, not only from his opposition, but from within his own party.
I expected Trump to lose, and while it could have gone either way....it certainly doesn't 'defy' credulity.
AoW that's certainly outrageous, but we're talking about whether these guys believed the outcome of the election.
DeleteSure, elections are distorted through disinformation from foreign powers and data-driven campaign efforts. But the counts themselves are generally considered to have been imperfect but adequate. Until now.
Trump and his supporters are not shy about releasing evidence and bogus analyses. If there was any good evidence, I doubt he'd be sitting in it. And anyway, his mo is clearly to smear the process first and collect the evidence (ie conduct a fishing expedition) second. If by some miraculous coincidence he uncovers some fraud, it doesn't alter the fact that at the time when he's saying all this he didn't know. Is that unimportant?
Jez,
Deletethat's certainly outrageous, but we're talking about whether these guys believed the outcome of the election
Look. The Trumpers had a valid permit to assemble. Assemble they did. When they dispersed, the THUGS, who certainly did not have a permit, came out and, in many cases, attacked the most vulnerable -- i.e., the elderly.
As for voter fraud, it's apparently been going on for a long time, and nobody much challenged the final count. That doesn't mean that the final count wasn't way off. Let's see what the courts rules, not beat up people in the streets.
We're talking about different things. The seriousness of the assaults does not bear on the distinction I'm making, which is between rejecting the reality of a result, and merely being cross about it.
DeleteAgain, let's see where THIS goes. If things are as Ms. Powell says, there is a reason to reject the election results.
DeleteAll these lawsuits and appeals are within the law.
Democrat Communists wouldn't lie would they?
ReplyDeleteWhat Is Happening to America? We Have All Become So Relaxed and So Naive, Trusting Our Government to investigate the Fraud that the Democratic Socialis’s have committed on us! , We Tend to Leave it in Their Hands & Hope They Make the Right Decisions, .....Not this Time, If You and I Want to Live in a Country with out a Socialist like Kamala Harris or a Dictator who might be the next jerk that George Soros picks. ........Then it Is Important That We Write to Our Senators and Congressman and Join the Conservative Party and Do Something That Will Help Change this New Obama Health Care Change..........He Said Be for He Was Elected..."Change" Well If the Health Care Goes Through There Is Definitely Going to Be "Change" and Not for the Better.............Lets Stop this Before We Lose Our Country to People Like the LUNATICS in the Squad/ .
ReplyDeleteIf Congress isn't listening now, they will have to listen to the 2024 elections. The question is, will the voters just talk about it on Facebook, or Yell?
What would you do if you left the front door open to your house and one day you went into your living room and saw some guy stting in your favorite chair, smoking one of your best Cigars that you have in a box on the table. And drinking some of your best Scotch right out of the bottle. A closer look finds that they guy is unshaven, and filthy.?
ReplyDeleteYou saw enough, so you call the the Police, they won’t come. So you call the FBI, same answer, you call ICE, you call the Feds, but they won’t come. They ignore your plea’s for help. WHY? What the hell is going on? Oh they were DEFUNDED! . The frustration is building, after all, it is your house. but they tell you their hands are tied and there is nothing they can do because federal law says they can’t
So,You’re helpless.
You contemplate moving to another State, because you like in Andrew Cupmo’s New York., so FORGETABOUTIT.
Perhaps taking the law into your own hands, but wait…. There is a better solution! Create a state law that says you can do that.. So you do. But nobody care.
The next thing you see is just unbelievable… buses are pulling up in front of your home, protests are forming, people are calling you racist and they are calling for your eviction. They want to boycott your sources of income. They want to take over your house and live there.... you and make you pay.
AW...You're right. It could never happen here in the good ole USA
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DeleteMal,
DeleteSomewhere out on the Left Coast the other day, one of strongest advocates of defunding the police called the police to complain that the Lyft driver had the vehicle's window down. One can only home that the police didn't answer the phone. LOL.
ReplyDeleteObama: It was You.”
* It was you who spoke these words at an Islamic dinner – “I am one of you.”
* It was you who on ABC News referenced – “My Muslim faith.”
* It was you who gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build foreign mosques.
* It was you who wrote that in the event of a conflict- “I will stand with the Muslims.”
* It was you who assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that – “I am a Muslim.”
* It was you who bowed in submission before the Saudi King.
* It was you who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning America and professing Marxism.
* It was you who exempted Muslims from penalties under Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.
* It was you who purposefully omitted – “endowed by our Creator ” – from your recitation of The Declaration Of
Independence.
* It was you who mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ’s Sermon On The Mount while repeatedly referring to the ‘HOLY’ Qur’an.
* It was you who traveled the Islamic world denigrating the United States Of America.
* It was you who instantly threw the support of your administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.
* It was you who refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the White House,* It was you who ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested the mosques you have visited to adjust their decor.
* It was you who appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar Corps.
* It was you who appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland Security.
* It was you who said that NASA’s “foremost mission” was an outreach to Muslim communities.
* It was you who as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual who would speak in favor of infanticide.
* It was you who was the first President not to give a Christmas Greeting from the White House, and went so far as to hang photos of Chairman Mao on the White House tree.
* It was you who curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic terrorists.
* It was you who refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an Islamic terrorist.
* It is you who has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights abuses.
* It was you who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists assaults.
* It was you who funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to Hamas.
* It was you who ordered the United States Postal Service to honor the MUSLIM holiday with a new commemoration stamp.
* It was you who directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to help “empower” the British Muslim community.
* It was you who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country.
* It is you who follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of jewelry during Ramadan.
* It is you who departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal White House religious events.
* It was you who was uncharacteristically quick to join the chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt’s Hosni
Mubarak, formerly America’s strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.
* It was you who appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, an Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.
YES, IT WAS YOU WHO SAID ALL THOSE THINGS!
SO, ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL “GUSSHING” OVER OBAMA, I SUGGEST THAT YOU MAY HAVE CONVENIENTLY FORGOT THOSE THING, BUT I’M HERE TO REMIND YOU.
Satan is the Father of Lies and a murderer from the beginning.
ReplyDeleteLSP,
DeleteIndeed! People who are not Believers won't believe that, of course. The lure of self-deception is powerful.
Gosh. Remember the good old days when God only smite heathen nations with plagues....
ReplyDelete