But why?
Here's the reason...
The Disturbing Reason Why the Dems Really Want to Impeach Trump: Why they want to impeach even if it means losing in 2020 by Daniel Greenfield (aka Sultan Knish). One paragraph therefrom:
Lefties have made it very clear that they would rather, practically or symbolically, reverse the results of the 2016 election than focus on winning in 2020 because of the larger principle at stake. The second part of the principle appears in every media piece pushing impeachment. It hinges on President Trump’s alleged unfitness for office. The first part of the principle is the unfitness of the voters to choose leaders.
ADDENDUM
From Adam Schiff should be forced to take oath before every hearing:
For three years now, Democrats have threatened to impeach President Trump for not taking seriously enough the efforts by foreign governments to meddle in our 2016 elections.Read the rest HERE.
Then evidence surfaces revealing Mr. Trump’s earnest effort to confront a foreign government and pressure them to investigate and turn over information about their meddling in the 2016 elections.
Now Democrats want to impeach Mr. Trump for that.
In other words, Democrats today want to impeach Mr. Trump for doing what they say they have wanted him to do for three years.
[...]
The whole thing quickly devolved into another comical farce when Rep. Adam B. Schiff, California Democrat and “intelligence” chairman, kicked off the hearing by setting aside the just-released transcript of the telephone call between Mr. Trump and the president of Ukraine. He chose instead to read an entirely made up, fraudulent and fabricated transcript of a call that never occurred....
Irony -- and thick, at that:
ReplyDeleteDemocrats Wrote to Ukraine in May 2018, Demanding It Investigate Trump.
U.S. Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Dick Durbin (D-IL), and Patrick Leahy (D-VT
The issue of Ukrainian corruption (especially the prosecutor) was a concern for many allies and is quite separate from Trump's extortion.
DeleteExtortion? What?
DeleteWhat extortion?
Delete@ 1:20 in link above.
DeleteYep. That's extortion.
DeleteGood Read, plus none of this will every got past the Senate.
ReplyDeleteI DO love how this nonsense keeps the retards on the edge of their seats though, with them expecting to wake up "tomorrow" learning that DJT has been arrested/removed from office/fill in the retarded blank. LOL !
You'd think they'd learn by now after multiple fake scandals have blown up in their faces.
DeleteSF,
DeleteYou'd think they'd learn by now after multiple fake scandals have blown up in their faces.
Indeed!
Is one of the underlying causes desperation?
@ AOW: "desperation?"
DeleteI think so. Pelosi has released the furies. There's no backing down now.
They must have solid polling showing President Trump getting reelected.
If he were really failing--as the Democrat Party Propaganda in the Infotainment Media Complex blares at us every day--there would be no need for this.
Trump's Superpower:
DeleteGet his enemies to throw something at him that blows up in their own face.
That's great, Ed.
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Does anyone know a good recipe for IMPEACHMENT CRUMBLCRUST PIE?
ReplyDeleteI believe i starts wth the butchered remains of a deeply resented, targeted political opponent –– after every drop of blood has been drained from his corpse.
DeleteFranco,
DeleteDoes anyone know a good recipe for IMPEACHMENT CRUMBLCRUST PIE?
LOL!
I'm on board with the first ingredients you've mentioned above. Appropriate!
EUREKA!
DeleteIMPEACHMENT PIE with CRUMBLECRUST
INGREDIENTS
1) 2 lbs. Targeted Victim's Flesh, cubed, and rendered in gasoline with Salt, Pepper and a hint of garlic
2) 2 large yellow onions, peeled and coarsely chopped
3) 2 cloves elephant garlic puréed
4) 3 medium carrots, pelled and coarsely chopped
5) 2 ribs celery, chopped fine
6) 1 bunch fresh parsley, cut off and discard stems, chop the reminder fine
7) 1/2 Tsp each: Sage, Rosemary, Thyme, 1 large, or 2 small Bayleaves
8) Moisten with 1/4 C each: Raw Linssed Oil, Turpentine, White Vinegar, Lysol
DIRECTIIONS:
Preheat oven to 375º
Combine all ingredient in a large mixing bowl. Drain off any excess liquid. Using the Crumblecrust Recipe (below) pour into an open pie shell. Spread evenly, then sprinkle with just a wee touch of Arsenic. Bake for 45 minutes.
FAVORITE GRAHAM CRACKER CRUST RECIPE:, moistened with Used Crankcase Oil instead of lard or other favorite shortening ingredients
SERVE PIPING HOT with a Salad of Deathscap Toadstools, dressed in Betodyne, Ground Glass and Tiger Urine or Percolated Panther Pee,
NATUALLY THIS ELEGANT REPAST SHOULD BE SERVED ONLY TO DEMOCRATS.
Eeeeeeeeeeeuw, indeed, Ed1 But don't forget this dainty dish is to be set before DEMOCRATS only.
DeleteThat ought to make it seem a lot more paatable, don't you think?
By the way i frgot to mention STEEL FILINGS may be substituted for the GROUND GLASS, and SPIRITS of AMMONIA make an excellent substitue for either the TURPENTINE or the BETODYNE.
[NOTE: Experienced cooks should feel free to improvise on this measured old Flyover Country Recipe.]
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I publushed the IMPEACHMENT PIE recipe at WYD, and got this witty response from Nathanel Dimsdale & Hester Hawthorne:
DeleteNathaniel Dimsdale & Hester Hawthorne said
OH GOODY!
It will be such fun seeing that crowd of miserable SWINE alwaya DYING to DINE finally DINING to DIE!
Hurray and Hallelujah! You got it comin' to ya!
Come let us prepare the FEAST forthwith!
Howl, Ye, for he Day of the Lord is at hand!
The first part of the principle is the unfitness of the voters to choose leaders.
ReplyDelete-------------
tRump's proof of that.
Duck,
DeleteAhem!
That's unconstitutional.
True, AOW, but that's the very LAST thing Quackpot Canardo would even PRETEND to care about.
DeleteCommunists are perpetually at WAR with our Constitution.
So why the move to impeach?
ReplyDelete1. Pelosi is getting to much pressure? I don't know. She's a skilled politician who has handled pressure before.
2. They've got the goods on him. Extorting a head of state for political favor may be too much to ignore.
Duck,
DeletePelosi is getting to much pressure? I don't know. She's a skilled politician who has handled pressure before.
But she's old now and off her game.
I remember watching Roberto Duran in his last fight against Sugar Ray. Roberto could still punch, but he couldn't pull the trigger in time.
DeleteThis will go down in history as a colossal political blunder.
My contempt and loathing for that botoxious, bald-faced LIAR, and consummate HYPOCRITE Nancy "Pruneface" Pelousy has no limit.
DeleteI despise that baggage, but more than that I despise the effing MORONS who have voted for her and put her where she is today.
With a great deal of help from Gruesome Gavin Nrewsom, I admit, Pruneface Pelousy has transformed one of our most beautiful, most distinguished, most alluring cities into a PUTRID, DISEASE-RIDDEN, RAT-INFESTED CESSPIT.
By rights this vile, ungodly witch ought to tbe forcibly wrested by a howling mob from her walled, gated bastion of luxury and undeserved privilege, stripped naked, tossed into a tumbril, paraded through the streets in front of jeering throngs, pelted with rotted fruits and vegetables, and the fully ripened contents every available invalid's bedpan and urinal, then DECAPITATED with a BUTHCHER'S KNIFE at the Top of the Mark, dismembered, cut into small pieces and sold to be used as BAIT at Fisherman's Wharf.
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Why? 2016.
ReplyDeleteWhy? TDS
Why? Neil Gorsuch.
Why? Brett Kavanaugh.
Why? 2020.
Ed,
DeleteWhy? Neil Gorsuch.
Why? Brett Kavanaugh.
And what else could happen any minute.
Democrats do not actually want to win elections. Democrats want to be in power. Winning elections is hard, and we don't do things that are hard in this nation any more. We put our thumb on the scales. We lie. We use corruption. Democrats want power, and they will use whatever means are at hand to obtain it.
ReplyDeleteJayhawk,
DeleteExcellent points!
"WE" don' lie, Jayhawk. It's the LEFTISTS, the RINO's, and the hateful, bigotted, abysmally blockheaded NeverTrumpers who do more than enough of that for ALL of us.
DeleteThis is that pretending to be (or actually being) stupid thing I mentioned earlier. You'd have to be willfully naive to read the released transcript of Trump's sales pitch to the Ukranians (that's a nice military aid package we're sending... be a shame if something happened to it...) and not see a between the lines quid pro quo shakedown.
ReplyDeleteThe only other possible parsing of that phone call is that Trump is more scatter-brained than most people whacked out on meth.
Neither horn in that dilemma points to "fit for office."
Well said. And we know the outraged response from the Right, we’re this to have occurred under a different POTUS.
DeleteThat said, I’m waiting to see if we learn the actual whistleblower complaint. Everybody is assuming that it only centers on the phone call.
The whistleblower complaint is released.
DeleteTrump is a hobbled grape playing chicken with a sledgehammer.
Yep, albeit redacted. I'm concerned by the allegation that the information surrounding the conversations may have been hidden behind SCI firewalls...if the reporting is accurate.
DeleteTrump isn't denying the whistleblower's allegations or trying some hackneyed theory that he's misunderstood because he's the only person on the planet that speaks English.
DeleteNo, Trump has gone straight to claiming the whistleblower is a spy that should be put to death.
Stick a fork in Trump. He's done
Spy. Add another to the list of words that he doesn’t know the definition of.
DeleteIt's the cop's fault he got a speeding ticket. Who else is issuing speeding tickets?
DeleteTotal amateur hour criminality.
The conversation transcript was classified, with caveats, if I remember correctly from the picture of it.
DeleteIt's not the intel community's job to play police and write tickets.
Said conversation would not rise to the level of being hidden behind an SCI system. There's only one reason that I can think of for doing that. But then again, I'm not predisposed to believing that a CIA officer has a partisan agenda...without some proof.
DeleteThe motive is not partisan. It is Status Quo Establishment.
DeleteIf they over-classified to hide something, that is an easy one to establish.
DeleteHe’s a partisan according to POTUS........
DeleteIt should be easy to establish, but when then Executive retains classification authority.......and withholding of public release......we may never know. IOW, status quo.
Just following the law.
Deletehttp://dcwhispers.com/doh-did-you-know-theres-a-treaty-between-the-usa-ukraine-regarding-cooperation-for-prosecuting-crimes/?fbclid=IwAR3YYHRo66WaHuFSqiVjroeVl5fvwds-Ap9Jj5A-tWoI2gTgrjjMMgrXHMU
Ed - Not sure what that's in response to....doesn't appear tp be anything in the law that warrants hiding the transcripts on an SCI system.....
DeleteThe Whistleblower laws are weaponized legislated political treason to benefit Democrats and wrap the country in a perpetual "Watergate-like" secrecy-half-truth-abuse of power loop.
DeleteI think that sizes it up very well, Mrs. G., although all these pettifogging, obstructive '"enactments" can functon as a two-edged sword depending on who or what is in power at any given moment.
DeleteI agree, hwever, that Democrats [and their obtuse "Silent Partners," –– the RINO's ––, who are suffiiently conceited, self-righteous, cocksure, and willfully ignorant of REALITY to imagine themselves "Above the Fray," and more devoted to their stiff-necked notions of "PRINCIPLE" than to the desperately urgent needs of the moment], are much more apt to ABUSE power than honest, committed, sure-footed Conservative-Libertarians.
"HE WHO TROUBLETH HIS OWN HOUSE SHALL INHERIT THE WIND."
Delete~ Proverbs - KJV
Trump should just come out and say his publicist John Barron made the phone call.
ReplyDeleteBeautiful! +1
DeleteSnarky! - 100
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Pastorius posted this at Infidel Bloggers Alliance:
ReplyDeleteTo me, it looks like this:
Trump went to the United Nations and spoke about Nationalism, Patriotism, the "evils" of Illegal Immigration, and the Human Rights violations of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments by technology corporations (“a free society cannot allow social media giants to silence the voices of the people.”).
And after his speech was over, Big Tech companies lost $56 Billion in Market capitalization.
And the Left decided, right then, that they must impeach.
Yes, but the LEFT most fervently wants to persuade us to beieve that NATIONALISM is the same thing as NAZIISM.
DeleteForcefully changing the MEANING of terms in common usage in order to ONFUSE, –– and thus kore easily CONTROL ––, the ignorant, partially-aware public.
Good read...What isn't explained is that ordinary people who previously were rational, of my generation, who were not subjected to a Marxist educational system have bought into this total nonsense. Friendships ending over what? That anyone who doesn't agree with them is evil. How did that happen?
ReplyDelete
DeleteAbsoltely right, Bunker with one exaction.
What you've accurately described is NOT "nonsense." it is true WICKEDNESS. That's not oo strong a term.
I hope you believe me?
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EXCEPTION not "exaction."
DeleteDamned AutoSpel always acting as though IT knows better than I what I mean.
True or not:
ReplyDeleteLiberal Media Lies and OMITS 500+ WORDS from Transcript to Claim Trump Asked Zelensky to Investigate Biden?
I have been asking myself how did a 30 minute discussion boil down to 5 pages.
DeleteI thought the Whistleblowers formal complaint was NINE pages,Bunker.
DeleteThere appears to be consensus among prominent Conservative-Libertarian commentators, that this much vaunted "Formal Complaint" smacks of an artfully contrived "Hit Job" on President Trump from INSIDE the White House, because the phraseology is typical of efforts made by GROUPS of heartless, soulless, highly-professional, deeply-partisan, leftist Deep State lawyers in their incessant, Machiavellian, behind-the-scenes machinations designed to rip the wheels off President Trump's "Little Red Wagon." [That's a metaphor to you unimagunative, blindly antagonistic opponents who seem determined to take everything LITERALLY.]
Apparently, "The Whistleblower" is no such thing, but rather a SPY –– an ENEMY AGENT –– a PLANT –– probably from the CIA –– craftily inserted among the White House staff. This SPY's main purpose, of course, has been to "GET DIRT on President Trump."
Joseph di Genova and Victoria Toensing think that. Rodolfo Giuliani thinks that. Sydney Powell and Harmeet Dhillon think that. New Gingrich thinks that. Most members of the Freedom Caucus think that, as do Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs –– and doubtless myriad others.
Many believe SOROS's BIG BUCKS are behind nearly ALL these "fires" the president is constantly being forced to put out. The purpose, of course, being to BALK, FRUSTRATE, STICK SPOKES in the WHEELS of implementing the president's generally splendid AGENDA.
Makes sense to me.
I find it hard to believe that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence doesn't see it that way too, but . . .
Franco,
DeleteApparently, "The Whistleblower" is no such thing, but rather a SPY –– an ENEMY AGENT –– a PLANT...
Looks that way to me at this point.
Again....words are cheapened to the point of absurdity, just as the Left does. Bravo.
DeleteI'll say it straight out, "See Eye."
DeleteI have nothng but CONTEMPT for your incredible opacity and despicably arrogant, cynical attitude toward our president, who is certain the very best of all possiible alternatives at this time in our checkered history.
Unfortunately for us –– or maybe not –– Socrates, Sophocles, Plato, Solon, Solomon, Moses, Jesus Christ, Saint Paul, Saint Francis, Saint Sebastian, and Marcus Tullius Cicero are not available to fulfill our current political needs. And I'm not sure that even GEORGE WASHINGTON could prevails against the forces of darkness we face today.
I'm well aware of your sneering contempt for me, but all it has accomplished is to convince me that IF you EVER gave me even the slightest sign of respect or approbation, I would know for sure that I must have gotten off on a Wrong Track.
I don't LIKE you. I don't RESPECT you, and very frankly I think you're a miserable, insufferably arrogant, conceited, condescending, bullying ass.
I happen to know that a considerble number of participants in the blogosphere agree with my derisive assessment of your character and disposition, but unlike me, THEY will never tell you.
I'm too old to bother being "polite" to contemptible people anymore. I'm just not that much of a hypocrite, and frankly i don't give a Hoot in Hell, a Good God Damn, or a Copious Country Crap WHAT you –– or anyone else –– thinks of ME.
[FYI: This note has been COPIED, SAVED, FILED, and stands ready to paste into an approprite place again if needed.]
Don’t care. The addled rantings of spineless, sycophantic cucks are fodder for my entertainment. Nothing more. You’re not even important enough for me to gin up the same impotent outrage that seems to consume you.
DeleteYou are a jester and a fool, and you fill your role well. Please don’t ever change.
"cuck"??? Please assure me you're not one of those Breitbart loonies.
DeleteI’d say no. I’m familiar with the term “cuckservative”, but I didn’t mean that connotation......and I don’t hang out on Breitbart.
DeleteOK. When I hear that term used, it screams "incel trying to be macho."
DeleteIt sounded out of place coming from you.
It was definitely appropriate in my meaning....but if it’s a popular term amongst incels.......I’m happy to dismiss it. Besides, my point was made.
DeleteAppreciate the heads up. I hate it when words are misappropriated by intellectual midgets.
“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.” - Chuck Schumer
ReplyDelete:)
ReplyDeleteI was waiting for Princess Leia... I thought that was a Jabba the Hutt scene from Star Wars.
DeleteYou must mean Princess AOC...
DeleteBeware the Intelligence Industrial Complex
ReplyDelete...where only half the information (all anti-Trump) leaks out from under their cloak of Gyges (Secrecy).
Delete"Would Hunter Biden have gotten that job if his father were not vice president? Ditto for a sweetheart investment deal Hunter Biden got from the Chinese government. On at least one occasion, he reportedly flew with his father on Air Force Two to China to seal a lucrative agreement there."
ReplyDeletehttps://nypost.com/2019/09/24/goodwin-pelosis-impeachment-flip-flop-changes-everything/
Fair question though nothing illegal about it. One also might wonder if Ivanka would have gotten so many Chinese trademarks approved were she not a Trump.
DeleteWe agree. Not a good look, and imo, both are legitimate targets of investigation.
DeleteOne distinction that makes the Ukraine prosecutor's firing a legitimate line of question is the tangle of corruption around it.
DeleteBut yes, in the Chinese trademark case, that could very well be the ChiComms attempt to curry favor.
:)
DeleteSpeaking of Prosecutors...
DeleteNew Democrat Rule:
ReplyDeleteA President may not ask another nation about corruption if it involves an opposition presidential candidate.
This could also be a desperate last ditch by mole rats and bedbugs in the bowels of government who know the jig is up when the DoJ investigations wrap up and report findings.
ReplyDeleteA blast from the past by Politico (not exactly a member of the VRWC)
ReplyDeleteUkrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
“I want to stress that I believe that the whistleblower and the inspector general acted in good faith throughout. I have every reason to believe that they have done everything by the book and followed the law.” - DNI Maguire
ReplyDeleteGlad to see that he's not throwing his folks under the bus.
Every calumnious syllable connected to this whole affair reeks of horse puckey.
DeleteD IS FOR DIRT, DEARTH, DUPED, DAMNED, DEMENTED, DREARY, DYSFUNCTIONAL, DEPRAVITY, DEBAUACHERY, DECEIT, DEGRADED, DEMONIC, DEVILISH, DAUNTING, DERANGED, DEFILED, DISTORTED, DUPLICITOUS, DESPICABLE . . .
ReplyDeleteD IS FOR D__E__M__O__C__R__A__T__S
I almost forgot to add:
D is for DEFECATION. DEFEAT, DUNGEONS, DRAGONS, and DUNG.
No surprise here...
ReplyDeleteWhistle-Blower Is a C.I.A. Officer Who Was Detailed to the White House
Dispatched with a specific mission, no doubt.
So, the CIA is now the arbiter of foreign policy right and wrong.
Where the hell were they when Bush abused intelligence to invade Iraq?
Where the hell were they when Obama shut down a global federal investigation of Hezbollah drug trafficking.
Anyone cheering any of this isn't thinking it through.
SF,
DeleteAnyone cheering any of this isn't thinking it through.
My thought, exactly!
Nobody on any side of this issue should be cheering it. This is a travesty on multiple fronts.
DeleteOur government has been corrupt for a long time. Now it is going crazy, and we are in dangerous territory.
DeleteIt has always been the ESSENTIAL NATURE of GOVERNMENT ––– any govenment ––– to BE CORRUPT, bu it involves putting the POWER to PUSH PEOPLE AROUND at WILL in designated hands.
DeleteThat's why Jefferson –– and Adams and Franklin, et al. designed a system of governance that made Sudden Sweeping Changes based on venl motives or whims of the mioment all-but-imposable.
"PROGRESSIVES" (crypto-Marxsts, of course, what else?) DETEST our Constitution, which is wy they have sought since their unfortunate mergence to obviate, cicumvent, change, or ELIMINATE it.
President Trump is one part of us getting the government we deserve.
ReplyDeleteThe other part is an internal police state with a global intelligence gathering apparatus that enforces Establishment Orthodoxy.
What precisely do you MEAN by saying President Trump is "part" of what it means for us to "get the government we deserve?"
DeleteI'm not sure i like the sound of that, but it needs further clarificatiin before I could possibly dare to pass judgment..
If Democrats and Republicans were still serious parties with established and well-understood ideologies and programs, and if government were functioning well and performing its lawful functions, Donald Trump would not even be on the radar screen for president. Same for Bernie Sanders and the other leftwing outrage clowns.
DeleteSure, and if my Aunt Vinnie had had wheels, she could have been a teacart.
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From the looks of the Infotainment Media Complex coverage, the CIA's Operation Mockingbird is reaching a success rate of almost 95%.
ReplyDeleteAdam Schiff should be removed from office for this stunt:
ReplyDeleteAdam Schiff Performs Fake Conversation Between Trump and Ukraine President!
I know that plays well around here...but come on....while this is petty and childish......but doesn't rise to any level for removal from office.
DeleteI'd say that lying to the American people [continually] is a far more serious offense....no?
Suggesting that a whistleblower be executed, should at least be on par.......
DeleteCI,
DeleteFor Adam Schiff to do what he did, which resulted in at least one journalist's running off the cliff and quoting Schiff as telling a grave truth to the American public is unacceptable. I just watched a clip of a journalist doing that. Sheesh.
In fact, many people heard only that portion of the hearing. Sheesh.
So, in my view, what Schiff did today is way beyond petty and childish.
As for what plays well around here on this blog, I assure you that I don't take popularity into account when I post a comment.
It's reassuring to hear that you likewise disparage a journalist running off the cliff and quoting Trump as telling a grave truth to the American public is unacceptable. Right?
DeleteYep...beyond petty and childish. We agree.
Otherwise, lay out the specific and unique charge that should result in only Schiff being "removed from office".
CI,
DeleteWhat a demanding tone you have! You must be delusional!
Go read up on Schiff's lies today.
I'll get to them. I'm still wading through Trump's.
DeleteSo, your position is that Schiff should be removed from office for lying....yes?
Just want to clarify.....for a baseline.
For further clarity.....is a whistleblower a spy....or would that be a lie?
DeleteWords matter....no matter the party.
I didn’t think I was being demanding, so my apologies. I could have at least said please.
DeleteJust curious about your position on this.
@ CI:
DeleteI've spoken with AOW about this.
#1 The guy doesn't qualify as a "Whistle-Blower". He can't testify as to the contents of the phone call or the transcript because he doesn't have first hand knowledge, only second and third hand. In other words, he's just spreading rumors and trying to cover his ass through status.
#2 Schiff, If he were a lawyer in court, would be disbarred for perjury after purposely misstating the contents of a legal document, probably, with malice of forethought.
As someone said, "Words matter....no matter the party."
I've spoken with AOW about this.
DeleteUmmm....OK Not sure the relevance of this.
#1 - The DNI disagrees with you, on record. I think that I'll lean towards his position rather than your opinion.
#2 - Perhaps [though Schiff is not in a court of law].....as would many instances of a certain POTUS. You do hold the same standard for honesty and integrity among your elected Representatives....do you not?
I reiterate......."Words matter....no matter the party."
According to Federal Law, only U.S. Court of Appeals that has jurisdiction can make such determination. What the DNI thinks doesn't matter. You can lean any way you want.
DeletePlease name such relevant instances. I'm not worried about Trumps lies, everyone lies maybe to keep from hurting someones feelings, sometimes as false aggrandizement. I'm speaking of bearing false witness -telling lies to harm someone maliciously with evil intent-.
I skipped everything since CI said that Trump called the whistleblower a spy to say this.
DeleteTrump was obviously referring to the whistleblower's source.
Not the first time a presidential phone call to a foreign leader has been leaked.
That's espionage.
Well Warren......you’re not the US Court of Appeals either...are you?
DeleteAnd is been quite clear that you’re not concerned about Trump’s lies.
Integrity matters.....to some. Not to others.
Ed, if the source had the same placement and access as the whistleblower, but didn’t act on it......that’s not espionage.
Delete@ CI, if the legal determination hasn't been made then he isn't a whistle-blower. (Hint) it's a legal status.
DeleteWords also mean things.
And you have no idea what things I'm concerned about, oh great swami.
CI,
Delete"Words matter....no matter the party."
And so do actions!
Just which of Trump's policies do you find so despicable?
Just imagine the list we'd have had HRC been elected? **shudder**
Warren - And yet the subject in question is protected under the Whistleblower Protection Act throughout the process. Perhaps you can invent a new word for said person.
DeleteAOW - Because I hold Trump to the same standard as I would any other politician......you jump to the predictable extreme? You're better than that. Nice list of talking points.
The possibility exists that CIA employee was put there to spy on President Trump.
DeleteYes. That's the territory we are now in.
Of course it’s a possibility. Equal possibility that he did what he thought was right as a Patriot.
DeleteCI, Does it not concern you that you sound like Adam Schiff?
DeleteNope, because I consider the source......and I’m not terribly concerned with what people on the internet think I sound like.
DeleteDo you care what I think you sound like?
CI @ AOW,
DeleteYou're better than that.
Hey, bud. Look in the mirror.
Your scolding tone is going to get you deleted. Furthermore, rudeness directed at any of this blog's owners is unwise -- to say the least.
Fair warning.
"HE THAT TROUBLETH HIS OWN HOUSE SHALL INHERIT THE WIND."
Delete~ Proverbs - KJV
You can take that any way you like, but it MEANS precisely what it SAYS.
CI: Think of all the stupid and outrageous sh** our government has done over the Bush and Obama years.
DeleteNot one "patriotic" "whistleblower" stood up (to be fair, there were a few on Iraq WMD, but they were crushed by the press and barely raised aroused the interest of Democrats). Why now? Over a corrupt, unimportant nation we already allowed Putin to take a bite out of?
Obama shutting down the global investigation of the Hezbollah drug trafficking network was huge (not criminal, just bad judgment) why no outrage?
This stinks.
Agreed. I don’t however, base my position on current events on past malfeasances or party loyalty. Standards matter to me.
DeleteStandards matter to me, too, and this is unprecedented.
DeleteRegardless of reality, the PERCEPTION is that our intel and law enforcement agencies have been politicized, or--removing politics from the issue--are meddling in politics at the behest of people desperate to enforce an institutional status quo.
That is the danger that bothers me. Yes, I voted for Donald Trump with my middle finger, but this is bigger than any one person.
Having just struggled through twenty minutes of Google jerking me around, and losing my full comment, I'll pose the following challenge. All of these allegations are BS. Change my mind. Has any one considered that one of the chief responsibilities of the President is "he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed,"? That being the case, pursuing an allegation against a former VP should be seen as fair game. Which of them should be under investigation? I say this, not as a Trump voter ( I didn't) but as a concerned citizen who thinks it both a travesty of powers,not to say a pissing contest, and a complete and utter waste of the taxpayers time and money. AOW, I apologize if this came through disjointed and out of sequence. IDK if this happens to others, but it's Google. Ya Know?
ReplyDeleteAs I linked earlier:
Deletehttp://dcwhispers.com/doh-did-you-know-theres-a-treaty-between-the-usa-ukraine-regarding-cooperation-for-prosecuting-crimes/?fbclid=IwAR3YYHRo66WaHuFSqiVjroeVl5fvwds-Ap9Jj5A-tWoI2gTgrjjMMgrXHMU
Thanks for pointing that out Ed. We have similar agreements with dozens of nations. None of which are ever enforced when the parties involved have any political pull. I've been pummeled in annual trainings for years regarding my company's "Business Conduct Policy" but compliance with the "Corrupt Foreign Practices Act" apparently doesn't apply to politicians.
DeleteViburnum,
DeleteWelcome! Glad to see you here!
Do any of us have any doubt that what's really going on with this "impeachment inquiry" is an effort to influence the 2020 General Election?
DeleteI, for one, am fed up to my eyeteeth with Congress's all these "gotcha" moments. They've been ongoing since Trump's victory in the 2016 General Election -- and they will continue no matter the outcome of the 2020 General Election. Has anything like this previously happened in the history of our republic?
Ed,
DeleteThat is an important link:
Did You Know There’s a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes?
WHen are you guys going to earn that trying to hold a productive discussion with an adamantly entrnched BIGOT with a nasty disposition or a certifiable LUNATIC is NOT go8ng produce worthwhile or desirable results?
DeleteHmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Franco,
DeleteDepends on one's definition of worthwhile or desirable results. You and I disagree on that definition, I think.
That being the case, pursuing an allegation against a former VP should be seen as fair game.
ReplyDeleteI agree. The Biden's are fair game to investigate....as are claims under the Whistleblower Act. As are questions regarding Giuliani and Aaron Investments LLC political contributions.
Smoke from the barrel? Not when the left has a narrative to protect. This will never see the light of day from any one but the likes of you. Keep on keeping on!
DeleteHave at them. I'm with you CI. The people, have been kept in the dark too long. We are the ones who will pay the price for our soi dissant "betters" plotting out course.
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ReplyDeleteFor three years now, Democrats have threatened to impeach President Trump for not taking seriously enough the efforts by foreign governments to meddle in our 2016 elections.
ReplyDeleteThen evidence surfaces revealing Mr. Trump’s earnest effort to confront a foreign government and pressure them to investigate and turn over information about their meddling in the 2016 elections.
Now Democrats want to impeach Mr. Trump for that.
In other words, Democrats today want to impeach Mr. Trump for doing what they say they have wanted him to do for three years.
[...]
The whole thing quickly devolved into another comical farce when Rep. Adam B. Schiff, California Democrat and “intelligence” chairman, kicked off the hearing by setting aside the just-released transcript of the telephone call between Mr. Trump and the president of Ukraine. He chose instead to read an entirely made up, fraudulent and fabricated transcript of a call that never occurred....
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Yup. Its going to get very loud and crazy. Dems cannot back down now, regardless of their paucity of facts and evidence. The press will not be a help to them as it was during Nixon's time. An overwhelming majority of Americans don't trust the Third Estate, which has become a Fifth Column.
DeleteDemocrats have proven they would burn down the entire nation in order to rule over it.
SF,
DeleteYup. Its going to get very loud and crazy.
I'm getting older, working toward a big move to a more conservative state, and finding that I'm wanting more peace in my life, my "Golden Years."
Do I have to go live under a rock to find that peace? Sheesh.
I think Democrats are getting out in front of what will be damning information coming out of DoJ about all the malfeasance of the past three years. Its a bonus if they can smear Barr.
ReplyDeleteThe bonus is that Biden is also "toast".
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DeleteSF,
DeleteI think Democrats are getting out in front of what will be damning information coming out of DoJ about all the malfeasance of the past three years.
Up votes!
I think so, too.
Adam Schiff's confabulated lies fobbed off as a reading of the telephone transcript is an official lie perpetrated in an official hearing in Congress.
ReplyDeleteThat is a much more serious lie than a rhetorical one told by a President who we have all learned to apply Kentucky windage to anyway.
Politics is a cloud of lies, obfuscation and fake outrage.
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DeleteSF,
Delete...an official lie perpetrated in an official hearing in Congress....a much more serious lie than a rhetorical one told by a President who we have all learned to apply Kentucky windage to anyway.
EXACTLY!
And anyone who can't see that truth has his head up where the sun don't shine.
We’ll disagree on much of the above, but kudos on the weapons grade rationalization. Rhetorical lies.......?
DeleteIt seems inconceivable to some that a Citizen can’t activate both Trump and Schiff. Binary thought must be easier, I guess.
DeleteIf the GOP thinks he should be censured or removed.....have they initiated a complaint with the Ethics Committee?
CI: Adam Schiff perpetrated a deliberate, premeditated outrageous lie from the pedestal of his august office that defamed the president of the United States, with the purpose of misleading millions in what is shaping up to be a political trial on his presidency.
DeleteDonald Trump lies. I turn it over to you to list one of his with this much gravity and impact, and I concede you may be able to come up with one, but can we both agree Schiff's lie was colossal and nuclear?
There’s no argument that Schiffs lie was colossal. I thought that was clear.
DeleteGood. Glad we can agree. I will restate what I said earlier in one of the many sub-threads:
DeleteIf Democrats and Republicans were still serious parties with established and well-understood ideologies and programs, and if government was performing its lawful functions reasonably well, Donald Trump would not even be on the radar screen for presidential candidate. Same for Bernie Sanders and the other leftwing outrage clowns.
#Make Government Boring Again
I don’t tweet, but that’s a hashtag I can promote. What I wouldn’t give for boring government.
DeleteYup, Trump knows the type who support him well. And he was right when he said he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue in NYC and get away with it.
ReplyDeleteIt is now without doubt that the supporters of Trump and his authoritarian leadership style as well as his massive demagoguery could not care less what he does. Right wing ideology has run so far amuck since Bush 2 it is now willing to turn our democratic republic into a 3'rd world banana republic.
RN,
DeleteIt was BHO who put our republic well down the path to a 3'rd world banana republic.
I’d argue that it began much earlier than that.....but I’d grant the recent relevancy. I sorely wish that we could break the mold instead of continuing down that path.
DeleteI keep waiting for the swamp to be “drained”. But all I hear are weak excuses.
Can you give us some examples of his "authoritarian" leadership style?
DeleteHis violation of the ankle-biting court orders staying his plans? Oh, wait. He obeyed all those...
Here are some examples Silverfiddle. Not that you’ll accept any of them as having any veracity at all. Trumpers never do. Even, and especially, when it’s the unvarnished negative truth about Trump.
Deletehttps://www.justsecurity.org/63860/mueller-report-illustrates-trumps-authoritarian-rhetorical-tactics/
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/14/723325835/how-trumps-embrace-of-authoritarian-rulers-has-impacted-the-world
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-squad-borrow-from-authoritarian-playbook-2019-7
http://www.cambridgeblog.org/2019/03/the-rise-of-authoritarianism-under-the-presidency-of-trump/
I know Trumpers don’t get, and therefor will not accept that Trump’s rhetoric actually has a chilling, as well as being very effective at numbing his followers to the reality of his intentions. I remind you that authoritarianism is not always implemented by brute force. Trump’s no dummy and man is he working his crowd of cult like supporters into accepting his every false and inflammatory utterances.
Yep, authoritarianism has quite often been voted in by consent of the People.
DeleteLes: So you can't point to any actions, just rhetoric from the haters. Got it.
DeleteHitler owned a dog. Trump owns a dog. Trump is Hitler!!!!!
DeleteThe left is drowning in logical fallacies.
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DeleteRN,
DeleteDrop the blog gossip. Now.
Gossip? Right. Whatever you say.
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DeleteFigures!
ReplyDeleteThe Trump-Ukraine whistleblower complaint looks just like ‘Steele Dossier 2.0’
Saner views from the Left...
Deletebtw - AoW, I think that you might have missed your calling... ;)
DeleteImpeachment 2019... evidence that the Left's infatuation with cancel culture continues...
ReplyDeleteAny government official blatantly sewing seeds of disinformation when facts are before him (or her) need to be chained up skin to skin with Hillary, Waters and Pelosi. Someone please hand me blinders.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
DeleteKoji,
DeleteUp votes!
Off topic, but too loony not to share...
ReplyDeleteCringeworthy Video: This Is Why People Shouldn’t Vote For Elizabeth Warren
Banana republic tactics...
ReplyDeleteIntel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge: Federal records show that the intelligence community secretly revised the formal whistleblower complaint form in August 2019 to eliminate the requirement of direct, first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing.
In this instance, primary source files were discovered by one person and handed off to another, the only problem that would arise, would be if both parties didn’t have the same placement and access.
DeleteBeyond that, no issue or concerns of “banana republics”......at least if your concerned with exposing wrongdoing.
CI,
DeleteSurely you realize what I meant by posting the link!
You know what? You need to take a break. Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome is skewing your personality -- or at least the personality I knew when I interviewed you on Blog Talk Radio some years ago.
Perhaps you can grasp that it may not be me who’s changed. Made up “derangement syndromes” work both ways.......
Delete:)
Deletebtw - 1st hand knowledge vs hearsay. Accusations based upon mere hearsay are now a "protected category" in the IC?
DeleteWOW. I know that there standards of evidence aren't as high as the justice systems are... but I suppose spies are all about "hearsay"... not actual facts.
And that's the problem with "facts".
“There are no facts, only interpretations.” - Friedrich Nietzsche
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DeleteDNI (Trump pick) doesn’t share your opinion.
DeleteI’m entertained however, at how the cheapening and utter misuse of key terms (long the purview of the Left) has become the currency of the modern Right. The antithesis of Conservatism.
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DeleteI wonder why, while the Adminsitration circles the wagons looking guilty, and tweeting like a dumped 13 yr old girl......nobody is venting their anger at said Administration or the Senate Intelligence Committee....that can set things to right...if the allegations raised here are...true.
DeleteCI,
DeletePerhaps you can grasp that it may not be me who’s changed.
Ask around, and you'll find out that I'm consistent -- the way I've always been since I first leapt into the blogosphere.
But something has indeed changed: the direction of politics and interpersonal interactions since at least the Obama years.
More has changed than that. I’ve seem Republicans become obsequiously compliant to the cult of personality - disturbingly similar to the Obama years.......discarding all respect for integrity and honor.
DeleteI’m on the outside looking in, so I understand that my view would carry over into the GOP.
CI, Politics has always been personality based.
DeleteSocial scientists point out that emotional and personality-based appeals are way more effective than fact-based ones.
Basically, the choice now and the choice back in 2016 was this:
Swallow your misgiving and vote for an unprincipled vulagarian
OR
Abandon Trump, stand back, and let the herd of filthy leftwing globalist Democrat swine trample us and our nation.
I make no apologies for my choice.
I’m glad that you’ve rationalized the choices you think you have.
DeleteI’m glad you’ve rationalized the choices that you believe are in front of you. I work as diligently as I’m able, to promote choice beyond two corrupt parties.
DeleteWill my effort achieve success? Perhaps not....but righteous causes are seldom easy and quick.
And I don’t have to apologize either!
I’m glad you’ve rationalized the choices that you believe are in front of you. I work as diligently as I’m able, to promote choice beyond two corrupt parties.
DeleteWill my effort achieve success? Perhaps not....but righteous causes are seldom easy and quick.
And I don’t have to apologize either.
By the way.....I understand and have no issue with people’s binary choice; it’s the utter abandonment of integrity and accountability that went hand in hand.
DeleteCI et al... the question I have is this. Would anyone be concerned if the reporting is true that a sitting US president said to the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister that meddling in our elections is of no concern.
ReplyDeleteJust askin...
Hi Dave,
Deletefor the record, CI is on your side on this issue.
My answer is, its all about context.
In my defense, I’m not really on any side......but that of integrity and accountability in government and it’s elected representatives. Context here clearly matters.
DeleteBut you also have your answer already. The legion of sycophants are going to defend the grifter in chief, if the reporting is accurate.
CI & Dave,
DeleteThe hell of it is, most Americans--including me--don't trust the press to play it straight.
I trust the media as much as I trust the White House.
DeleteCI,
DeleteYou and I certainly agree there!
It does take a lot of time to track down primary sources -- time that I don't have during The Big Clean Out here.
Sheesh.
Yep, being a Citizen fact checker can be a full time job.
DeleteSilver... well how about this...
ReplyDeleteNow we have reports that Former Chief of Staff John Kelly would mute President Trump's calls to world leaders to avoid him saying stupid stuff.
That's on the heels of reports of Former Sec State Tillerson calling Trump a moron who is undisciplined and doesn't like to read.
On top of reports of Former Sec Def Mattis believing Trump to be taking America on a dangerous path.
On top of reports from Former Nat Security Advisor McMaster calling Trump an idiot and a dope.
Now I guess it's possible all of these reports are made up fake news BS stories. But these guys took oaths to preserve and protect the constitution and defend the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.
Those former military leaders took that oath multiple times.
If those stories are in fact false, based on the damage those "falsehoods" are doing to our president, don't those leaders have a duty to step up and say all those reports are false?
And if they are true, don't they have a duty, under their oath to say that too?
Both sides cannot be true.
Either these stories are true, or they are not. Those former military leaders would know.
They have a duty to stand up and tell the American people the truth, one way or the other. For the good of the country.
Dave,
DeleteOn the other hand, we read this:
10 Reasons Democrats’ Impeachment Argument Is Falling Apart.
Dave,
DeleteOn top of it all, HE WAS F***ING ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE!
If Democrats want to pursue the rumors you have detailed, then they need to proceed to an impeachment hearing and bring those people you mentioned up to testify under oath.
@ Dave:
DeleteThere are two types of senior officer. One type has the unique abilities of leadership, the other type is a bureaucratic Martinet, -i.e. they demand that people obey their rules and orders --they are very anal and demand respect they neither deserve or earn--. The slightest hint of disrespect, real or perceived, will cause them to react in ways... well, let's say, over the top. Every one of them you mention had been fired or in the case of Mattis, retired in 2013, but it's not uncommon for a former Secretary of Defense, to deliver such warnings especially if his "guidance" is no longer required.
Their oath? Please, every one of these people are class A personality types and believe that "they" are the indispensable man. They will not allow a slight go unanswered. If they had been concerned about their oath, they wouldn't have said those things --in public-- to start with. Saying that type of thing on active duty can get you Court-martialed or removed from duty and forced into retirement.
I don't think you'll understand what I'm talking about but those things that were said hardly constitute grounds for impeachment and seem to be angry personality clashes and weapons grade hurt feelings. The media --tis to laugh--. Taking things out of context, making things up, etc.
Really Dave???
DeletePersonal opinions are grounds for impeachment?
You seem to have an awful high opinion of bureaucrats who were once "former" officers than I.
They may really believe what they say but their personal opinions don't carry much weight with me. Just because they are use to their underlings bowing to their wishes doesn't mean Trump is going to.