I've been keeping mu cool as these idiots slowly destroy our moral fabric but this has gone to far. What gives this elephant eared bozo and his minions the right to redefine a man and a woman? Good Grief! how long before they say beastiality is ok? OR what about Pedophiles. This sure makes it easier for them!
Do you think mooch and the Obama Kids are going to have to put up with this kind of horse Sh..? Fat chance of that
I have zero issue with gender-neutral [single use] restroom facilities......but if you were born with a penis, you're a boy. I don't give a damn what special snowflake, intersexed, inclusive and diverse non-binary gender you may think you "identify" as.
There are restrooms around here that are gender-neutral, but they have LOCKS on them...you unlock it if it's vacant, enter and exit.......two people, one an 8 yr old girl and another a 42 year old man dressed as a woman aren't in at the same time. Big difference. I agree...single use, no biggie. but let's not start identifying ourselves as what we are not. Right, CI
‘Straight into the paper shredder:’ Texans the first to decry Obama’s schools directive about transgender bathrooms
...Just hours after news outlets reported on the directive, which will be sent to all public schools across the country Friday, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick offered a doomsday outlook.
“This will be the beginning of the end of the public school system as we know it,” he told NBC 5.
[...]
And just this week, Patrick called for the resignation of a Fort Worth schools superintendent after he proposed policies more inclusive of transgender students....
I can't wait for Louie Gohmert (R - Planet Mongo) to check in on this. I'm curious to see if he can generate any more hysteria over a problem that doesn't exist.
The North Carolina school board that permitted students to carry pepper spray to protect themselves from raging transexuals still leads the loony pack. What they have managed to do is make the situation more precarious for the ones in danger of assault -- transexuals.
Ducky, don't bother trying to bring Gomert and N. Carolina's School Board into this...focus on the conversation; don't do the typical Ducky "bait and switch BS"... Gomert = Republicans Gomert = Ducky thinks over reacts, promoting hysteria Ducky = All Republicans are hysterical
So hackneyed, so tiring, and doesn't move the conversations forward.
Must I remind you Gomert has every right to his opinions and those of his many constituents, as do the parents of children who could possibly be at risk? Or are real rights too Republican for you?
AOW, let's talk AGE appropriate...will it be that an adult can enter a child's bathroom on any elementary school campus as they do now if they're a parent visiting or some creep off the street...right? We can use the kids' bathroom now. SO, what's to prevent anybody from off the street, a man dressed as a woman, to enter a little girl's bathroom?
The better news is that I don't believe LGBT as any more prone to pedophilia than straight people are, but at least we have separated sexes in the past...?
Do we have a situation where cross dressing adults are targeting grade school rest rooms? What you seem to be doing, as is constantly done to homosexuals, is equating any atypical gender or sexual expression with pedophilia.
I hope I'm right on the LGBT thing....I guess there's no way to know, but you're right...we don't hear what the media doesn't want us to hear.
The other day they talked about a study by a University in Wash State that said white cops are quite a percentage LESS apt to shoot at a Black perp than a White perp...that fascinated me. That was decidedly missing from the media, huh? Seemed to merit some discussion considering the all the racist hoopla around Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.?
And I was hoping you'd steer me right about the identity/gender thing...I was hoping I was wrong. :-(
I agree with Ducky, I honestly do NOT think there are more pedophiles among the LGBT comm. than the straight comm. (i typed Pedophiliacs first..then remembered it's pedophiles!)
Re cross dressers and chidlren's rest rooms, should we not to everything to protect the children over the feelings of adults based on their own sexual difference?
I agree that we may not definitively know pedophilia rates amongst gays, but we certainly don't appear to have any studies that would lead me to believe that there are.
And when it comes to academic studies, it's best not to rely on the media in the first place. With the internet, you can search of and access every study ever conducted.
Megan Kelly was talking to Patrick night and she “acted” completely dense on this issue, refusing to see the harm. Obviously sympathetic to the admin position. To think I used to enjoy watching her.
Ed, Megyn Kelly has gone off the rails. I saw that part of her show last night, then changed the channel. I couldn't stand her playing the part of a dumb blonde.
Now you would think this would be a simple proposition as the world is divided into two categories:
[pointers and setters]
Yes folks each and every one of us is either a pointer or a setter, it doesn't get much simpler than that.
It is nice to suffer only from first world problems; there is nothing like your first experience standing at a urinal in a public restroom when somebody's grandmother comes in and cops a squat behind you over what appears to be urinal mounted horizontally on the floor, and I'm not talking numero uno here folks.
“I got news for President Barack Obama,” Port Neches-Groves (Texas) Superintendent Rodney Canvass told 12News. “He ain’t my President and he can’t tell me what to do. That letter is going straight to the paper shredder. I have 5 daughters myself and I have 2,500 girls in my protection. Their moms and dads expect me to protect them. And that is what I am going to do. Now I don’t want them bullied… but there are accommodations that can be made short of this. He is destroying the very fiber of this country. He is not a leader. He is a failure.”
In a male locker room in Texas, are you more likely to be molested by a transexual or the football coach?
And you damn well know that in Texas they are going to go to lengths to cover up for the football coach but everyone's in a lather about transexuals who are the ones more in danger of being physically assaulted.
Ed, exactly. What is the definition? What is the standard? What is the science? All aspects conveniently/deliberately ignored by supporters of this ill conceived fools errand.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Government actually has no power to dictate what any non-governmental entity does with regards to toilet facilitites. The aside, if the "tolerance and inclusion" crowd wants to enact drastic protected accesses and privileges based on nothing but feelings and self esteem....not science, then it's time to play their own age against them, because it's clear that they're functionally unable to see the asininity of their appeals to emotion on their own.
As a straight, white male...I just might apply for a woman's small business loan, stating that I identify as a woman. You can't deny me on the basis that I'm not NOT ACTUALLY A WOMAN....without invalidating the entire premise behind these efforts.
YOu're right, Canardo, in your usual legalistic approach to argumentation.
HOWEVER, what those of us who much prefer Maximum Freedom of Choice to knuckling under to arbitrary, government-mandated standards of Comfort, Security and Fairness, need to push a Freedom Agenda aimed at states VOLUNTARILY cutting themselves off from Federal Aid, which is nothing but tyrannical bullying disguised as beneficence.
We would all do well to LIVE WITH LESS in order to free ourselves from almighty NANNY, BIG BROTHER and the coming Reign of Terror administered by NURSE RATCHED in the form of H. Godham Clinton.
So Ducky, you've been the predictable opposition, but I don't think I've seen you explain why having an over whelming minority use facilities not in accordance with their gender, and making the overwhelming majority uncomfortable (at the very least).......is a good idea?
Because there is none. None. The left attempts to dress the issue up in the guise of discrimination, but this isn't occurring. If you have a penis, you are a boy. It doesn't matter what you feel you should have been born...you're not being discriminated by having to use the facilities with other people who have penis's.
This unfortunately, does a great deal of damage to the gains made in areas of actual civil liberties.
And Ducky, you would then agree with me that transgendered folks should be able to get a woman's small business loan, if they have a penis, but claim they "identify" as a female...no?
Why if I "identify" as a black person....oh, sorry...."person of color". I should then be eligible for minority loans, set asides and tuition....no?
CI, This self-identification thing is CRAP! And indicative of not being in touch with reality. Isn't not being in touch with reality part of the definition of mental illness?
Yep; but I'm still wondering how it's the purview of the Chief Executive of the nation, to attempt to dictate what state and local public schools do with regards to their lavatory facilities. If ever there was an argument for school choice and defense of home schooling, this is it. Thanks Obama, keep it up!
Certainly not a civil rights issue, nobody is being discriminated against and nobody is being denied the right of contract. This is a pathetic and specious gesture by POTUS, but for what end state, I'm unsure.
I've seen nothing yet out of Congress, perhaps they actually understand their role, but they could certainly pass a resolution censuring the President for executive overreach.
Doesn't it stand to reason that a SUCCESSFUL transexual would in fact be UNDETECTABLE?
We're not talking about garish drag queens in the girls room, or klitzy-looking transvestites either. We're talking about people who have had their bodies altered with heavy doses of injected hormones and surgical "resculpting" of their genitalia –– aren't we?
Whether you approve of it or not, such radical transformations are often extraordinarily successful, so what's the beef?
Are we at the point now where every person who enters a public toilet must first be required to show their birth certificate and then subject themselves to a close physiological inspection of of their genitals before being allowed to take a leak?
FT, And one more thing....The decree also affects locker rooms, including gang showers. In the transition stage of a sex change, there is, um, some ambiguity.
Myself, I believe that the unacknowledged threat here is having to come to grips with the fact that we don't understand critical aspects of human sexuality.
Transgender used to refer to genitalia change surgery. No longer, which is often where the confusion comes from. No clear definition of terms. Vocabulary fluid individuals. But if an xx wears a xy clothes, that's transvesticism or whatever the term is.
Police in Chicago say a man choked an eight-year-old girl until she passed out in the bathroom of a restaurant.
According to WLS-TV, the girl was with her mother at a Jason's Deli restaurant in Chicago's South Loop when she went by herself to use the restroom on May 7.
Her mom reportedly heard a scream from the bathroom and ran in to find a man carrying her unconscious daughter into a stall.
More HERE, including a video from an ABC News affiliate.
But I'm sure that you understand my point: the slippery slope in that if we use gender self-identiification as the criterion as to who gets admitted to which community john and locker room, the potential for such crimes as in the link above MAY increase. People won't say, "Hey, what are you doing going in there?"
AOW, that's a big part of the problem....everybody will be as scared as they are to tell a funny ethnic joke that means no harm (I tell them on my own peeps...no biggie), scared to call someone HE or SHE on a campus, scared to say you're a Conservative, scared to say Merry Christmas...you know the drill; all the nonsense the left's created that's messing us up SO badly. 'What are you doing in there?" could get jail time, I imagine...it'll be like asking someone to see in their purse to check if they're shop lifting ... "They INTIMIDATED ME!" Oh, GAD>
This is all about jazzing us up. Picking us apart, distraction, dividing us... and it will only get worse as it gets closer to the time when the moving van moves up Pennsylvania avenue. And it can't come soon enough.
you're probably aware that two people must take small children into bathrooms in a school situation, right? At a Christian preschool in my neighborhood, the little ones need someone to take them to the bathroom and two of the teachers must leave class every time so the State can be assured nobody's going to molest the child. This is also true at the children's department of a local large Bible study...two women who volunteer to work the kids' department must accompany a preschooler to the bathroom...you know, so those Christian women volunteers don't have their way with a 3 year old! It's quite some situation, isn't it? It's the typical overkill of liberal America....if one or two children out of the 300,000,000 people in America are molested, ALL schools must implement these laws. It's unbelievable. Pardon my expression, but SHIT is always going to happen, as the expression says, but no shit CAN happen if it's up to liberals and if they think they can legislate it away.
Z, I don't work with small children, but I think that the rules are the same where I am. Not state mandated, however.
The proctor rules for my homeschool classes (Grades 5-12): two adults in the classroom at all times -- unless, of course, if I become ill and must leave the classroom. That has happened twice in my 18 years with the homeschool group. We don't have to chaperone for the bathrooms; most of the time, the students visit the bathrooms in "herds."
Anyway, you LOST the culture war to people who are just more open to the world and aren't going to get in line behind a fundamentalist bunker mentality. Just ain't going to happen.
We lost the culture war to people who market "identity" as a means to generate greater revenues and will believe ANYTHING, even sodomy, can be "fashionable."
Ducky, you're hilarious. Sensible Dems are supporting a socialist. A socialist who hasn't a clue how he's going to support any of the freebies he suggests except to KEEP TAXING THE RICH, though stats show if all the rich gave all they had it wouldn't make a dent. "here's an idea, Bernie!! keep spending! That's a way to get fiscally responsible!" Do you hear yourself? kinda cute :-) And we can get weaker Americans that way, too...entitlement kids who'll never again experience the self reliance and independence and strong minds that our country used to encourage and thrived with. VOTE FOR BERNIE! YEEEAAH!
Thank GOD for people are aren't so "open to the world" that they don't like grown men in the same rest rooms as little girls. If that's being open to the world, and if THAT is a 'fundamentalist bunker mentality', I fear for our children.
It's interesting that Ducky would laughingly crow about "winning the culture war", yet doesn't have the virtual courage to answer my question to him above.
I'm still waiting for him to answer that and to explain the value of Obama's "directive".
Let male visitors use the White house restrooms while Michelle is using them. They all have armed guards when they use a restroom but want you to place your family in danger. When did it become right to disregard the 99.97% of the population to satisfy the .03% who did not even ask for this? Democrats like Obama and Clinton scream that all votes should count and be heard, but seems not in this case.
AOW: That wouldn't satisfy the bathroom police. It would suggest exclusion. But apparently it's OK to force everyone who isn't comfortable with the issue to be have it shoved in their face so to speak.
It's yet another instance of using the public schools for left wing political indoctrination.
Mike, It's "Some animals are more equal than others" -- in a different context. The comfort level of certain folks just doesn't matter to these wacko birds.
AOW!!!!! I just heard the White House is saying this new law isn't 'legally binding' but the schools will face loss of funds if they don't comply. Are they kidding? SO, wait..."this isn't really a law, but you'd better do it or you're losing money for your children"
Is this anything but blackmail?
This is, after all Obama's done, still almost unbelievable
Anybody really think that the federal government will cut off funds for free lunch programs and pre-K programs for underprivileged kids out of spite over transgender bathrooms? I don't.
Leverage is truly only that which your prepared to employ. The Feds are bluffing. And worse, if they're not, then the people will see what they're really ALL about... exercising arbitrary and capricious power. And THAT kind of symbolism will destroy ALL the "authority" that a responsible government seeks to exercise.
I put up another great illustration of this ridiculous situation Obama's now created...over at my place. Sorry I couldn't figure out how to paste it here.
On the bright side, this could mean the death of the Department of Education as school districts nationwide tell them where they can stick their funding, rendering them superfluous. ( I know. Dream on. NO Federal agency is too small to fail. )
As an interesting aside to my previous comment, I became curious as to just how many Federal agencies there were. So I googled it and came up with the this link: https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/a
Much to my surprise, the governments of all fifty state are listed as Federal agencies.
Funny. I always thought it was the other way around.
Oh, cripes. The University of Toronto tried a variation on this .... for a month, until males were caught filming women in the showers. http://www.dailywire.com/news/330/university-toronto-dumps-transgender-bathrooms-pardes-seleh
Really. I predict an dramatic increase in the number of purportedly, or self-reportedly "trans gendered" males between the ages of 14 and 18. Their only motive being unrestricted access to the women's showers. Having once been an adolescent male, I can't blame them. Carpe diem !!!
Jon, The overwhelming reason to vote for the GOP candidate! And let's never forget what Hillary would do with the SCOTUS, whereupon justices typically sit for decades. And the federal-court appointees as well! The Left would control the entire justice system, and our Constitution would be shredded even more.
My personal take on all this is that the man who calls himself Obama, and his minions, have at least two goals. One being another stab at destroying traditional marriage and all that is good. Two, the recruitment of more homosexuals to their legion of the damned. These are indeed dark days. As Bible believing Christians must stand our ground and say NO to screaming demons or there will be many more people lost for all eternity. Well done AOW. Glad you're on our side. Hope your day is blessed. (Popped over from Z's blog).
I must also say this: we may see a heartening consequence of this "bathroom laws" idiocy. Many voters may decide not to vote for HillaryBeast because they understand that she will continues this idiocy. She has made it clear that her administration would be a continuation of Obama's legacy; BHO has made it clear that he wants to leave a social legacy, and that social legacy includes the LGBTQ agenda.
I am a young trans man, and I think I can make common cause with social conservatives on bathrooms.
To be sure, first there’s going to be litigation. There’s going to be a lot of yelling and screaming. Indeed, for the past several months, transgender activists and social conservatives have been engaged in a public spat about which bathrooms those of various gender identities should be allowed to use. But after North Carolina and the Justice Department are done duking it out, there will still be lots of people — including social conservatives and me — who are afraid to use public bathrooms.
I have a solution to this problem: gender-neutral, single-user bathrooms.
I’m not saying the current debate is unimportant. To the contrary, it is a discussion the country needs to have. But here’s the thing: Whoever wins this fight, lots of people are still going to be scared to use public bathrooms. If trans people are allowed to use the bathrooms aligning with their gender identities, others will be scared of trans people jumping out of bathroom stalls and shouting “boo.” And no matter who wins, the daily necessity faced by transgender people of choosing which bathroom to use, which often requires us to weigh our physical safety against our emotional comfort, will remain an enormous burden. Even if we win, trans people will continue to be harassed and assaulted in public bathrooms. Talk about a Pyrrhic victory.
However irrational those advocating for excluding trans people from the bathrooms that align with our genders are being, I can sympathize with their fears. They’re afraid of predators in bathrooms. Oddly enough, that’s what I’m afraid of, too.
When I go into a men’s bathroom, I have to be scared of a lot of things. After all, 68 percent of trans people report having been verbally abused while using the bathroom and 9 percent report having been physically attacked, according to a study from the UCLA Law School’s Williams Institute. I’ve been taunted and threatened in bathrooms many times, and, while I’ve never been assaulted, some of my friends have been. Every time I enter a public bathroom, I have to wonder if this will be the time I’ll come out bruised or bleeding. It’s terrifying.
To be sure, my fear is justified, while conservative fears of trans people assaulting others in bathrooms are not. Nobody in this entire debate has produced a single documented instance of a trans person initiating any kind of violence or sexual harassment in a bathroom. But fear is not always rational. I take it as a basic principle that, if possible, we should make people comfortable (maybe then they’ll leave us alone). So let’s take conservative fears on this issue seriously.
Fortunately, there’s a solution to the bathroom problem that addresses both anti-trans anxieties and trans fears. Imagine a room with a toilet, a sink and a door with a lock. Suddenly everyone’s problems go away. Are you a trans person who’s afraid to use the ordinary gendered bathrooms? Use the single-user bathroom instead. Are you afraid of encountering trans women in the women’s bathroom while you’re putting on your makeup? Use the single-user bathroom.
And this bathroom panacea has other applications, too. Parent with young children who need help? Single-user bathroom. Person with a disability who has trouble in a stall? Single-user bathroom. Someone who just needs a bit of space to calm down? Single-user bathroom.
Last summer, I went to London for a few days. While wandering through museums, I discovered something that seemed miraculous: All the public buildings I visited had single-user bathrooms. These bathrooms were designed for people with disabilities, but they were open to all. I cannot describe the relief I felt at an arrangement that did not induce the anxiety that plagues me when I use a public bathroom in the United States. I suspect such an arrangement would calm the fears of those who fear my presence in the bathroom, too.
Make non-gendered, single-user bathrooms a standard feature of every place of public accommodation, and everyone will be happier: I don’t have to be scared, social conservatives don’t have to be scared, and everyone else has a more private bathroom option if they need one.
So, to all you state legislators working so busily to keep trans people out of bathrooms, we’ll see you in court. But no matter who wins, remember that we have something in common: both a problem and a solution. Remember as well to add a provision mandating single-user bathrooms the next time you’re writing some discriminatory bill. That, at least, we should be able to agree on. (end)
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"No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,"
ReplyDeleteNo [normal] student should have to endure this nonsense!
It's getting to the point that SANE PEOPLE are the ones who are experiencing the feelings of being unwelcome on college campuses, isn't it, Jon!
DeleteIndeed
DeleteI've been keeping mu cool as these idiots slowly destroy our moral fabric but this has gone to far. What gives this elephant eared bozo and his minions the right to redefine a man and a woman? Good Grief! how long before they say beastiality is ok? OR what about Pedophiles. This sure makes it easier for them!
ReplyDeleteDo you think mooch and the Obama Kids are going to have to put up with this kind of horse Sh..? Fat chance of that
AT the DINNER TABLE
ReplyDelete"Maw?"
"Yes, Paw."
"Don't you think it's time we put some pants on Ella Mae?"
"Why, Paw?"
"Gawrsh, Maw, didn't you see what (s)he just dragged through the soup, when (s)he reached across the table to git a piece of bread?"
I have zero issue with gender-neutral [single use] restroom facilities......but if you were born with a penis, you're a boy. I don't give a damn what special snowflake, intersexed, inclusive and diverse non-binary gender you may think you "identify" as.
ReplyDeleteDNA isn't "fluid".
There are restrooms around here that are gender-neutral, but they have LOCKS on them...you unlock it if it's vacant, enter and exit.......two people, one an 8 yr old girl and another a 42 year old man dressed as a woman aren't in at the same time.
DeleteBig difference. I agree...single use, no biggie.
but let's not start identifying ourselves as what we are not. Right, CI
Z,
DeleteAs I said elsewhere...
The solution: all bathrooms have to be onesies -- with no gender label on any of them.
Forget the matter of lack of space to make onesies available in any significant numbers.
Forget the extra janitorial service.
Forget the bankruptcy factor which will ensue to make that happen.
Now, what about locker rooms and "gang showers"?
CI,
DeleteUpvote for your comment!
We wouldn't have these problems in public schools if there were no public schools.
ReplyDeleteTexas defies Obama's bathroom decree:
ReplyDelete‘Straight into the paper shredder:’ Texans the first to decry Obama’s schools directive about transgender bathrooms
...Just hours after news outlets reported on the directive, which will be sent to all public schools across the country Friday, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick offered a doomsday outlook.
“This will be the beginning of the end of the public school system as we know it,” he told NBC 5.
[...]
And just this week, Patrick called for the resignation of a Fort Worth schools superintendent after he proposed policies more inclusive of transgender students....
More at the above link.
I can't wait for Louie Gohmert (R - Planet Mongo) to check in on this.
DeleteI'm curious to see if he can generate any more hysteria over a problem that doesn't exist.
The North Carolina school board that permitted students to carry pepper spray to protect themselves from raging transexuals still leads the loony pack.
What they have managed to do is make the situation more precarious for the ones in danger of assault -- transexuals.
Pure hysteria.
It is not hysteria, Duck.
DeleteFrom the WaPo today:
...access to suitable facilities — including bathrooms and locker rooms — that match their chosen gender identity...
Locker rooms around here typically do not have curtains. Locker rooms around here typically have "gang showers."
You want your grade niece to have to deal with penises on parade in those locker rooms and gang showers? Really? Enlighten us.
According to that WaPo article, Obama's directive does indeed include locker rooms.
DeleteDucky, don't bother trying to bring Gomert and N. Carolina's School Board into this...focus on the conversation; don't do the typical Ducky "bait and switch BS"...
DeleteGomert = Republicans
Gomert = Ducky thinks over reacts, promoting hysteria
Ducky = All Republicans are hysterical
So hackneyed, so tiring, and doesn't move the conversations forward.
Must I remind you Gomert has every right to his opinions and those of his many constituents, as do the parents of children who could possibly be at risk? Or are real rights too Republican for you?
AOW, let's talk AGE appropriate...will it be that an adult can enter a child's bathroom on any elementary school campus as they do now if they're a parent visiting or some creep off the street...right? We can use the kids' bathroom now. SO, what's to prevent anybody from off the street, a man dressed as a woman, to enter a little girl's bathroom?
The better news is that I don't believe LGBT as any more prone to pedophilia than straight people are, but at least we have separated sexes in the past...?
Z,
DeleteI don't believe LGBT as any more prone to pedophilia than straight people are.
I don't know about that. How can we get accurate statistics with the enemedia being what they are.
Z,
Deletewhat's to prevent anybody from off the street, a man dressed as a woman, to enter a little girl's bathroom?
Nothing to prevent that with this new "rule" about identity.
What's to prevent that now?
DeleteDo we have a situation where cross dressing adults are targeting grade school rest rooms?
What you seem to be doing, as is constantly done to homosexuals, is equating any atypical gender or sexual expression with pedophilia.
Your position pretty much collapses there.
I hope I'm right on the LGBT thing....I guess there's no way to know, but you're right...we don't hear what the media doesn't want us to hear.
DeleteThe other day they talked about a study by a University in Wash State that said white cops are quite a percentage LESS apt to shoot at a Black perp than a White perp...that fascinated me. That was decidedly missing from the media, huh? Seemed to merit some discussion considering the all the racist hoopla around Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.?
And I was hoping you'd steer me right about the identity/gender thing...I was hoping I was wrong. :-(
I agree with Ducky, I honestly do NOT think there are more pedophiles among the LGBT comm. than the straight comm. (i typed Pedophiliacs first..then remembered it's pedophiles!)
DeleteRe cross dressers and chidlren's rest rooms, should we not to everything to protect the children over the feelings of adults based on their own sexual difference?
Z,
DeleteI still maintain that we don't definitively know.
I agree that we may not definitively know pedophilia rates amongst gays, but we certainly don't appear to have any studies that would lead me to believe that there are.
DeleteAnd when it comes to academic studies, it's best not to rely on the media in the first place. With the internet, you can search of and access every study ever conducted.
Megan Kelly was talking to Patrick night and she “acted” completely dense on this issue, refusing to see the harm.
DeleteObviously sympathetic to the admin position.
To think I used to enjoy watching her.
Mirabile dictu: Ducky's right in this one.
DeleteEd,
DeleteMegyn Kelly has gone off the rails. I saw that part of her show last night, then changed the channel. I couldn't stand her playing the part of a dumb blonde.
From Western Hero:
ReplyDeleteNow you would think this would be a simple proposition as the world is divided into two categories:
[pointers and setters]
Yes folks each and every one of us is either a pointer or a setter, it doesn't get much simpler than that.
It is nice to suffer only from first world problems; there is nothing like your first experience standing at a urinal in a public restroom when somebody's grandmother comes in and cops a squat behind you over what appears to be urinal mounted horizontally on the floor, and I'm not talking numero uno here folks.
Also from the above link:
Delete“I got news for President Barack Obama,” Port Neches-Groves (Texas) Superintendent Rodney Canvass told 12News. “He ain’t my President and he can’t tell me what to do. That letter is going straight to the paper shredder. I have 5 daughters myself and I have 2,500 girls in my protection. Their moms and dads expect me to protect them. And that is what I am going to do. Now I don’t want them bullied… but there are accommodations that can be made short of this. He is destroying the very fiber of this country. He is not a leader. He is a failure.”
LOL!
In a male locker room in Texas, are you more likely to be molested by a transexual or the football coach?
DeleteAnd you damn well know that in Texas they are going to go to lengths to cover up for the football coach but everyone's in a lather about transexuals who are the ones more in danger of being physically assaulted.
Duck,
DeleteForget the Texas part.
What about in a female locker room -- if a fake transsexual has nefarious intentions?
Channging rooms have already have had problems with fake transsexuals.
DeleteTypos courtesy of iPad autocorrect. **sigh**
DeleteDucky's argument ignore the mischief of those boys who no longer have to even dress "funny" to access the girl's locker room.
DeleteEd, exactly. What is the definition? What is the standard? What is the science? All aspects conveniently/deliberately ignored by supporters of this ill conceived fools errand.
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ReplyDeleteHey, Duck! Blog Talk Radio won't let WC sign in. **sigh**
ReplyDeleteHe's going to keep trying. 3 minutes.
We may have to reschedule.
Duck,
DeleteI'm going to try to sign in. We may run a bit late.
I'll hold for a couple more minutes.
DeleteDuck,
DeleteWe're in.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Government actually has no power to dictate what any non-governmental entity does with regards to toilet facilitites. The aside, if the "tolerance and inclusion" crowd wants to enact drastic protected accesses and privileges based on nothing but feelings and self esteem....not science, then it's time to play their own age against them, because it's clear that they're functionally unable to see the asininity of their appeals to emotion on their own.
ReplyDeleteAs a straight, white male...I just might apply for a woman's small business loan, stating that I identify as a woman. You can't deny me on the basis that I'm not NOT ACTUALLY A WOMAN....without invalidating the entire premise behind these efforts.
The government has every legal right to dictate under what terms the states would qualify for government grants.
DeleteAnd? This doesn't refute what I've written.
DeleteYou said exactly that, CI.
DeleteAnd I think you should apply as a woman, I think we all should do something like that. WHY NOT?
YOu're right, Canardo, in your usual legalistic approach to argumentation.
DeleteHOWEVER, what those of us who much prefer Maximum Freedom of Choice to knuckling under to arbitrary, government-mandated standards of Comfort, Security and Fairness, need to push a Freedom Agenda aimed at states VOLUNTARILY cutting themselves off from Federal Aid, which is nothing but tyrannical bullying disguised as beneficence.
We would all do well to LIVE WITH LESS in order to free ourselves from almighty NANNY, BIG BROTHER and the coming Reign of Terror administered by NURSE RATCHED in the form of H. Godham Clinton.
Wouldn't "maximum freedom of choice" (whatever that is) permit transexuals to use the rest room they choose?
DeleteSo Ducky, you've been the predictable opposition, but I don't think I've seen you explain why having an over whelming minority use facilities not in accordance with their gender, and making the overwhelming majority uncomfortable (at the very least).......is a good idea?
Delete1. The overwhelming majority is comprised of adults who are not made uncomfortable.
Delete2. You have no standing to present yourself as an authority on what constitutes true gender.
3. We fear what we don't understand. Allport's, Nature of Prejudice is useful here.
That is the weakest defense of a goal that I've yet seen from you. You've made my point, congratulations.
DeleteCI,
DeleteHonestly, I cannot find a logical defense for this transgenders-in-the-bathrooms and, especially, transgenders-in-the-locker-rooms agenda.
Because there is none. None. The left attempts to dress the issue up in the guise of discrimination, but this isn't occurring. If you have a penis, you are a boy. It doesn't matter what you feel you should have been born...you're not being discriminated by having to use the facilities with other people who have penis's.
DeleteThis unfortunately, does a great deal of damage to the gains made in areas of actual civil liberties.
And Ducky, you would then agree with me that transgendered folks should be able to get a woman's small business loan, if they have a penis, but claim they "identify" as a female...no?
DeleteWhy if I "identify" as a black person....oh, sorry...."person of color". I should then be eligible for minority loans, set asides and tuition....no?
CI,
DeleteThis self-identification thing is CRAP! And indicative of not being in touch with reality. Isn't not being in touch with reality part of the definition of mental illness?
Yep; but I'm still wondering how it's the purview of the Chief Executive of the nation, to attempt to dictate what state and local public schools do with regards to their lavatory facilities. If ever there was an argument for school choice and defense of home schooling, this is it. Thanks Obama, keep it up!
DeleteCI,
DeleteIt isn't the purview of the federal branch -- except as it's being framed as a civil rights issue.
A pity that I'm coming to the end of my career as a homeschool teacher. Enrollment in my classes should have soared, right?
Except that few people have the guts to make a stand.
CI,
DeleteWhere is Congress on this? Any indication you've heard?
A number of comments ago Ducky mentioned "adults".
DeleteWhen are school children (the susceptible ones here) adults?
Certainly not a civil rights issue, nobody is being discriminated against and nobody is being denied the right of contract. This is a pathetic and specious gesture by POTUS, but for what end state, I'm unsure.
DeleteI've seen nothing yet out of Congress, perhaps they actually understand their role, but they could certainly pass a resolution censuring the President for executive overreach.
DeleteBy the way most of the objections seem unduly focused on distaste for PENISES in the GIRLS room.
ReplyDeleteWhat about VAGINAS in the BOYS room?
Don't MALES have as much right to be "offended" at having unwanted, inappropriate genital intimacy forced upon them as FEMALES? };^)>
FT,
DeleteAre there that many transsexuals (that is, individuals with female DNA) going into the boys room?
A transgendered person enters the stall and does his business. What's the big deal?
DeleteMost of us aren't going to confuse using the stall with inappropriate sexual intimacy.
Duck,
DeleteIF there IS a stall. Not typical of locker rooms with gang showers, and the decree includes locker rooms.
Urinals are not in stalls.
DeleteAlso, why not use some COMMON SENSE for a change?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't it stand to reason that a SUCCESSFUL transexual would in fact be UNDETECTABLE?
We're not talking about garish drag queens in the girls room, or klitzy-looking transvestites either. We're talking about people who have had their bodies altered with heavy doses of injected hormones and surgical "resculpting" of their genitalia –– aren't we?
Whether you approve of it or not, such radical transformations are often extraordinarily successful, so what's the beef?
Are we at the point now where every person who enters a public toilet must first be required to show their birth certificate and then subject themselves to a close physiological inspection of of their genitals before being allowed to take a leak?
The entire subject is beyond absurdity.
FT,
DeleteAre there many SUCCESSFUL transgenders in elementary school?
Besides, the decree is about gender identity -- that is, how one thinks of oneself, not the gender that one biologically is.
FT,
DeleteAnd one more thing....The decree also affects locker rooms, including gang showers. In the transition stage of a sex change, there is, um, some ambiguity.
Myself, I believe that the unacknowledged threat here is having to come to grips with the fact that we don't understand critical aspects of human sexuality.
DeleteDuck,
DeleteMaybe so.
But this much I DO know: I ain't using the gang shower at the red center if the rec center locker room is not gender specific.
If we don't understand, maybe we should err on the side of caution? At least for our children?
DeleteSeems that way to me.
DeleteI really wish more liberals understood this concept and heeded it.
DeleteThis issue is bound to impede human evolution...
DeleteIs transgenderism is the same as having had a sex change operation?
ReplyDeletePerhaps, all who have had sex change operations are transgenders, but not all transgenders have had sex change operations?
Most transgender individuals do not have a sex change operation.
DeleteBy definition.
DeleteTransgender used to refer to genitalia change surgery.
DeleteNo longer, which is often where the confusion comes from.
No clear definition of terms.
Vocabulary fluid individuals.
But if an xx wears a xy clothes, that's transvesticism or whatever the term is.
Man Choked 8-Year-Old Girl in Restaurant Bathroom:
ReplyDeletePolice in Chicago say a man choked an eight-year-old girl until she passed out in the bathroom of a restaurant.
According to WLS-TV, the girl was with her mother at a Jason's Deli restaurant in Chicago's South Loop when she went by herself to use the restroom on May 7.
Her mom reportedly heard a scream from the bathroom and ran in to find a man carrying her unconscious daughter into a stall.
More HERE, including a video from an ABC News affiliate.
Why didn't somebody stop that man from going into the women's restroom?
DeleteEasy enough to slip in unseen.
DeleteDuck,
DeleteReally? Easy enough?
But I'm sure that you understand my point: the slippery slope in that if we use gender self-identiification as the criterion as to who gets admitted to which community john and locker room, the potential for such crimes as in the link above MAY increase. People won't say, "Hey, what are you doing going in there?"
AOW, that's a big part of the problem....everybody will be as scared as they are to tell a funny ethnic joke that means no harm (I tell them on my own peeps...no biggie), scared to call someone HE or SHE on a campus, scared to say you're a Conservative, scared to say Merry Christmas...you know the drill; all the nonsense the left's created that's messing us up SO badly.
Delete'What are you doing in there?" could get jail time, I imagine...it'll be like asking someone to see in their purse to check if they're shop lifting ... "They INTIMIDATED ME!" Oh, GAD>
Z,
Delete'What are you doing in there?" could get jail time, I imagine.
Or receive some other punitive measure?
"Easy enough to slip in unseen."
DeleteUnder the new rules, no need to slip in unseen.
That's the point!
This is all about jazzing us up. Picking us apart, distraction, dividing us... and it will only get worse as it gets closer to the time when the moving van moves up Pennsylvania avenue. And it can't come soon enough.
ReplyDeleteThat's Fabulous !
ReplyDeleteCollege dorm mates are next.
ReplyDeleteFungi can reproduce asexually by fragmentation, budding, or producing spores, or sexually with homothallic or heterothallic myce
ReplyDeleteHere's how the criterion that should be used:
ReplyDelete"What kind of urethra do you have? Use the corresponding facility."
Biology! Physiology!
Meanwhile, some of us might want to invest in diaper stock.
Today I identify as a turtle. Therefore, I am permitted to enter the turtle enclosure at the zoo -- so that I can "feel comfortable."
ReplyDeleteSheesh.
The solution?
ReplyDelete1. Onesie bathrooms. No more community bathrooms.
2. No more locker rooms. That would mean an end to Physical Education as we know it today?
This madness will not remain restricted to schools.
ReplyDeleteChurches, restaurants, concert venues, museums, etc., will be affected.
Why? Because this matter has been framed as a civil rights issue.
Get ready for the onslaught.
What about the nursing rooms in the ladies bathrooms? Some large churches have those.
ReplyDeleteyou're probably aware that two people must take small children into bathrooms in a school situation, right? At a Christian preschool in my neighborhood, the little ones need someone to take them to the bathroom and two of the teachers must leave class every time so the State can be assured nobody's going to molest the child. This is also true at the children's department of a local large Bible study...two women who volunteer to work the kids' department must accompany a preschooler to the bathroom...you know, so those Christian women volunteers don't have their way with a 3 year old! It's quite some situation, isn't it?
DeleteIt's the typical overkill of liberal America....if one or two children out of the 300,000,000 people in America are molested, ALL schools must implement these laws.
It's unbelievable.
Pardon my expression, but SHIT is always going to happen, as the expression says, but no shit CAN happen if it's up to liberals and if they think they can legislate it away.
Z,
DeleteI don't work with small children, but I think that the rules are the same where I am. Not state mandated, however.
The proctor rules for my homeschool classes (Grades 5-12): two adults in the classroom at all times -- unless, of course, if I become ill and must leave the classroom. That has happened twice in my 18 years with the homeschool group. We don't have to chaperone for the bathrooms; most of the time, the students visit the bathrooms in "herds."
Z,
DeletePardon my expression...
All these rules and agendas are exactly that!
[A]s of Friday afternoon, officials from eight states—West Virginia, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Maine and North Carolina—have signed on to challenge an appeals court ruling that sided with a Virginia transgender student over bathroom access.
ReplyDeleteHillary will be forced to defend this nonsense, turning many "sensible" dems against her in November?
ReplyDeleteEd, sensible Dems are supporting Bernie.
DeleteAnyway, you LOST the culture war to people who are just more open to the world and aren't going to get in line behind a fundamentalist bunker mentality. Just ain't going to happen.
We lost the culture war to people who market "identity" as a means to generate greater revenues and will believe ANYTHING, even sodomy, can be "fashionable."
DeleteDucky, you're hilarious. Sensible Dems are supporting a socialist. A socialist who hasn't a clue how he's going to support any of the freebies he suggests except to KEEP TAXING THE RICH, though stats show if all the rich gave all they had it wouldn't make a dent. "here's an idea, Bernie!! keep spending! That's a way to get fiscally responsible!" Do you hear yourself? kinda cute :-) And we can get weaker Americans that way, too...entitlement kids who'll never again experience the self reliance and independence and strong minds that our country used to encourage and thrived with. VOTE FOR BERNIE! YEEEAAH!
DeleteThank GOD for people are aren't so "open to the world" that they don't like grown men in the same rest rooms as little girls. If that's being open to the world, and if THAT is a 'fundamentalist bunker mentality', I fear for our children.
FJ,
DeletePrecisely!
It's interesting that Ducky would laughingly crow about "winning the culture war", yet doesn't have the virtual courage to answer my question to him above.
DeleteI'm still waiting for him to answer that and to explain the value of Obama's "directive".
CI....join the club..and don't hold your breath.
DeleteAs a trans-species individual, I DEMAND the right to urinate and defecate in public parks. If you can't deal with MY identity, that's YOUR problem!
ReplyDeleteThersites,
DeleteBefore long, trans-species individuals will have to be made comfortable. Civil right! Pfffft.
Dogs will be forced to use Kitty-litter.
DeleteBathroom Barry... protecting Americans from good judgement since 2009!
DeleteSpeedy,
DeleteBathroom Barry?
Yeah, the POTUS has determined that bathrooms merit more attention than ISIS (ISIL).
https://starboardsite.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/dem-restroom1.jpg?w=800
DeleteLet male visitors use the White house restrooms while Michelle is using them. They all have armed guards when they use a restroom but want you to place your family in danger. When did it become right to disregard the 99.97% of the population to satisfy the .03% who did not even ask for this? Democrats like Obama and Clinton scream that all votes should count and be heard, but seems not in this case.
ReplyDeleteI'm a wealthy corporate banking CEO trapped in the body of a middle class skilled laborer. I demand my TARP bailout rights...
ReplyDeleteI'm just a Jill...
ReplyDeleteAdd Bathroom cops to TSA workers for another useless government mandated profession.
ReplyDeleteHere's an idea, which I found on another blog and was about to type in as my own comment:
ReplyDeleteBuild a 3rd bathroom and 3rd locker room and let whoever wants to USE IT, and keep M/F for M/F by DNA.
AOW: That wouldn't satisfy the bathroom police. It would suggest exclusion. But apparently it's OK to force everyone who isn't comfortable with the issue to be have it shoved in their face so to speak.
DeleteIt's yet another instance of using the public schools for left wing political indoctrination.
Mike,
DeleteIt's "Some animals are more equal than others" -- in a different context. The comfort level of certain folks just doesn't matter to these wacko birds.
AOW!!!!! I just heard the White House is saying this new law isn't 'legally binding' but the schools will face loss of funds if they don't comply.
ReplyDeleteAre they kidding? SO, wait..."this isn't really a law, but you'd better do it or you're losing money for your children"
Is this anything but blackmail?
This is, after all Obama's done, still almost unbelievable
Obama is not done yet, Z.
DeleteAnybody really think that the federal government will cut off funds for free lunch programs and pre-K programs for underprivileged kids out of spite over transgender bathrooms? I don't.
DeleteThen why threaten.
DeleteLeverage is truly only that which your prepared to employ. The Feds are bluffing. And worse, if they're not, then the people will see what they're really ALL about... exercising arbitrary and capricious power. And THAT kind of symbolism will destroy ALL the "authority" that a responsible government seeks to exercise.
DeleteI put up another great illustration of this ridiculous situation Obama's now created...over at my place.
ReplyDeleteSorry I couldn't figure out how to paste it here.
Z,
DeleteHahaha!
Love it!
Z,
DeleteI saved it to my iPad.
The graphic which Z mentioned above:
ReplyDeletehttps://geeezblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/obama-bathroom.jpg
Take a look!
On the bright side, this could mean the death of the Department of Education as school districts nationwide tell them where they can stick their funding, rendering them superfluous. ( I know. Dream on. NO Federal agency is too small to fail. )
ReplyDeleteAs an interesting aside to my previous comment, I became curious as to just how many Federal agencies there were. So I googled it and came up with the this link: https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/a
DeleteMuch to my surprise, the governments of all fifty state are listed as Federal agencies.
Funny. I always thought it was the other way around.
Viburnum,
Delete!!!
???
Stunner!
Really. The left needs a review of Article 5. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
DeleteOh, cripes. The University of Toronto tried a variation on this .... for a month, until males were caught filming women in the showers.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailywire.com/news/330/university-toronto-dumps-transgender-bathrooms-pardes-seleh
Really. I predict an dramatic increase in the number of purportedly, or self-reportedly "trans gendered" males between the ages of 14 and 18. Their only motive being unrestricted access to the women's showers. Having once been an adolescent male, I can't blame them. Carpe diem !!!
DeleteShrillary want's to continue B.O.'s insanity; we can't let that happen!
ReplyDeleteJon,
DeleteThe overwhelming reason to vote for the GOP candidate! And let's never forget what Hillary would do with the SCOTUS, whereupon justices typically sit for decades. And the federal-court appointees as well! The Left would control the entire justice system, and our Constitution would be shredded even more.
My personal take on all this is that the man who calls himself Obama, and his minions, have at least two goals. One being another stab at destroying traditional marriage and all that is good. Two, the recruitment of more homosexuals to their legion of the damned. These are indeed dark days. As Bible believing Christians must stand our ground and say NO to screaming demons or there will be many more people lost for all eternity.
ReplyDeleteWell done AOW. Glad you're on our side.
Hope your day is blessed.
(Popped over from Z's blog).
Hello, Sparky.
DeleteI agree with your two points.
I must also say this: we may see a heartening consequence of this "bathroom laws" idiocy. Many voters may decide not to vote for HillaryBeast because they understand that she will continues this idiocy. She has made it clear that her administration would be a continuation of Obama's legacy; BHO has made it clear that he wants to leave a social legacy, and that social legacy includes the LGBTQ agenda.
Interesting opinion piece from the WaPo:
ReplyDeleteI am a young trans man, and I think I can make common cause with social conservatives on bathrooms.
To be sure, first there’s going to be litigation. There’s going to be a lot of yelling and screaming. Indeed, for the past several months, transgender activists and social conservatives have been engaged in a public spat about which bathrooms those of various gender identities should be allowed to use. But after North Carolina and the Justice Department are done duking it out, there will still be lots of people — including social conservatives and me — who are afraid to use public bathrooms.
I have a solution to this problem: gender-neutral, single-user bathrooms.
I’m not saying the current debate is unimportant. To the contrary, it is a discussion the country needs to have. But here’s the thing: Whoever wins this fight, lots of people are still going to be scared to use public bathrooms. If trans people are allowed to use the bathrooms aligning with their gender identities, others will be scared of trans people jumping out of bathroom stalls and shouting “boo.” And no matter who wins, the daily necessity faced by transgender people of choosing which bathroom to use, which often requires us to weigh our physical safety against our emotional comfort, will remain an enormous burden. Even if we win, trans people will continue to be harassed and assaulted in public bathrooms. Talk about a Pyrrhic victory.
However irrational those advocating for excluding trans people from the bathrooms that align with our genders are being, I can sympathize with their fears. They’re afraid of predators in bathrooms. Oddly enough, that’s what I’m afraid of, too.
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ReplyDeleteWhen I go into a men’s bathroom, I have to be scared of a lot of things. After all, 68 percent of trans people report having been verbally abused while using the bathroom and 9 percent report having been physically attacked, according to a study from the UCLA Law School’s Williams Institute. I’ve been taunted and threatened in bathrooms many times, and, while I’ve never been assaulted, some of my friends have been. Every time I enter a public bathroom, I have to wonder if this will be the time I’ll come out bruised or bleeding. It’s terrifying.
To be sure, my fear is justified, while conservative fears of trans people assaulting others in bathrooms are not. Nobody in this entire debate has produced a single documented instance of a trans person initiating any kind of violence or sexual harassment in a bathroom. But fear is not always rational. I take it as a basic principle that, if possible, we should make people comfortable (maybe then they’ll leave us alone). So let’s take conservative fears on this issue seriously.
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ReplyDeleteFortunately, there’s a solution to the bathroom problem that addresses both anti-trans anxieties and trans fears. Imagine a room with a toilet, a sink and a door with a lock. Suddenly everyone’s problems go away. Are you a trans person who’s afraid to use the ordinary gendered bathrooms? Use the single-user bathroom instead. Are you afraid of encountering trans women in the women’s bathroom while you’re putting on your makeup? Use the single-user bathroom.
And this bathroom panacea has other applications, too. Parent with young children who need help? Single-user bathroom. Person with a disability who has trouble in a stall? Single-user bathroom. Someone who just needs a bit of space to calm down? Single-user bathroom.
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ReplyDeleteLast summer, I went to London for a few days. While wandering through museums, I discovered something that seemed miraculous: All the public buildings I visited had single-user bathrooms. These bathrooms were designed for people with disabilities, but they were open to all. I cannot describe the relief I felt at an arrangement that did not induce the anxiety that plagues me when I use a public bathroom in the United States. I suspect such an arrangement would calm the fears of those who fear my presence in the bathroom, too.
Make non-gendered, single-user bathrooms a standard feature of every place of public accommodation, and everyone will be happier: I don’t have to be scared, social conservatives don’t have to be scared, and everyone else has a more private bathroom option if they need one.
So, to all you state legislators working so busily to keep trans people out of bathrooms, we’ll see you in court. But no matter who wins, remember that we have something in common: both a problem and a solution. Remember as well to add a provision mandating single-user bathrooms the next time you’re writing some discriminatory bill. That, at least, we should be able to agree on. (end)