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Wednesday, April 21, 2021

George Floyd Verdict


Silverfiddle Rant!

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60 comments:

  1. The best take on the larger issues at stake

    https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBvZGJlYW4uY29tL3RoZXNhYWR0cnV0aHdpdGhkcnNhYWQvZmVlZC54bWw/episode/dGhlc2FhZHRydXRod2l0aGRyc2FhZC5wb2RiZWFuLmNvbS8yY2EwOWUyMi0xNjJkLTM4YjEtYWJmZi1kZWNlYzM1M2RmZDQ?ep=14

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    1. Dr Gad Saad. The Saad Truth podcast. Only 15 minutes, and well worth the listen. Are we witnessing the death of deontological ethics?

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    2. SF,
      Thank you that link. Excellent! I hope that many and here will listen to the podcast.

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    1. They haven't made any or exhibited having any sense for quite some time now. Anarchy coming. Or already here and heating up.

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  3. Verdict excessive. Chauvin should have allowed for medical attention to confirm or deny a valid problem. Just for CYA if nothing else. That was just stupid.

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    1. Heat of the moment, Kid. Hostile crowd, perp on PCP, inability of medics to approach and treat ... bad situation all around. Good case for an appeal if he can afford it. I haven't heard about any "go fund me" efforts for the white boy. Shocking.

      Meanwhile, as Bill H. commented earlier at Bunkerville, "When are the police in this country going to learn the one basic rule of policing? DO NOT ARREST A BLACK PERSON. The government you work for will not have your back if violence erupts. The government does not want black people to be arrested. The government did not hire you to arrest black people, they hired you to arrest white people."

      Only a dope would want to be a policeman under these conditions.

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    2. Mustang,
      Up votes for your comment. You have dared to say what many will not say.

      Only a dope would want to be a policeman under these conditions.

      Or a sociopath.

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    3. You'd have to think so Mustang. I'd be treating black areas just like the moslem vermin no go zones in the EU countries. Don't go there. No win situations.

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  4. I found this blog post by Bunkerville to be of great interest; others here may want to take a look:

    Chauven – Floyd: Over what? ‘A little bit of money’.

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  5. Will the Conviction of Officer Chauvin end the Rioting, the Looting, the Tearing Down of our Statues, snd our National Treasures, the Burning of Police Cars, and of Private Businesses?
    Don’t anyone think about that happening for even one minute. The conviction of Derek Chauvin on all charges will do absolutely nothing until the next excuse for rioting and other violence aimed at the police in particular and whitey in general comes around... No the conviction as harsh as it was , won’t fo s damn thing. The looney Left might be happy now, celebrating now, but riots are not going to end...They will be bigger than ever next the time someone gets in trouble snd winds up shot by the Police doing their job. There is an entire group of leftist hoodlums that must burn down things, and Loot, and Steal with every chance they get.
    George Floyd was only an excuse. And wherever there is a Maxine Waters the Professional Agitator, the thugs will soon be there.
    Yep they will be there again to riot and vandalize property and then they go home flop on their stolen couch and turn on their stolen 50 inch TV.....

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  6. Chauven never received an adequate defense. He would have been better off with a public defender. At least he would have had an attorney that would have had murder defense experience. As AOW was kind of enough to mention, I lay out the case at my blog.
    The final argument: He had a blood case Oxygen level of 98 post mortem. How does one die of asphyxiation?

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    1. Floyd? Oh he would have been dead in a couple of months probably anyway. Gotten caught up in a drug deal. Overdosed. A cardiac arrhythmia. A heart attack. A long long history of drugs and in March an overdose.
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      So just kneel on his neck for 10 minutes when he's already been restrained.

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    2. Chauvin must have been surprised that anyone objected to a cop appointing himself judge, jury and executioner.

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    3. Why wouldn't Chauvin be surprised? The 15th time his civil rights violating thug tactics came under scrutiny, he got fired on the spot. Thus answering the question "who has to die to get this scumbag off the police force?" George Floyd might be alive today had Chauvin been canned the first time he became a liability. An interesting deep dive would be to take a look at the employment disciplinary records of every cop that has lost their job and / or gone to jail for going too far. A great deal many of them have been "bad apples" for a predictably long time prior to their last straw screw up.

      Let's see what happens to the latest badge-wearing piece of excrement that roughed up an 80 lbs 73 year old woman with dementia. My money is on him getting a job with a different police department.

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    4. Erratum -- 19th time. Chauvin's abuse record goes WAY back.

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  7. Time for "qualified immunity" precedents / protections for law enforcement from the Supreme Court to go bye-bye. Taxpayers should not be on the hook for police brutality and civil rights abuse. Nuke the problem in the bud.

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    1. The doctrine of "qualified immunity" and its precedents are complicated! See THIS at Lawfare.

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    2. Say bye-bye to honest cops. Who else besides the US military and police apply force, and if cops don't qualify, it won't be long until soldiers don't qualify. If anyone deserves to lose qualified immunity, its' judges and politicians.

      Cuz only a fool would position himself to get thrown under a bus the next time he uses or upholds the use of force.

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    3. If qualified immunity is complicated, make it less so. I don’t think any government official should have immunity at all, period. Everyone must be held accountable for their behavior, whether a bureaucrat, cabinet officer, or president. Police should not have any more protection than citizens lawfully armed who decide to employ deadly force. If anything, the fact that they are trained law enforcement officers should place police shootings (and other critical demonstrations) under a more refined microscope.

      The problem, however, is that a police officer is ALWAYS mere seconds away from a life-changing event. So far this year, 103 officers have died in the line of duty. Of those, 3 by assault (crowbar up-side-the-head qualifies), 17 from gunfire, 2 from knives to the heart, 6 run down by a motor vehicle, and beyond the 103, seven additional cases of attempted assault with a motor vehicle. What this means is that police officers have to be “on edge” at all times, and they are taught that to avoid serious injury, they MUST immediately take charge and exercise their authority. Pussy foot around, and you might die or get your partner shot/stabbed/clubbed. Because this is part of police training, that’s what we should expect from a police officer who pulls us over because our right brake light is out.

      What needs to happen is for citizens within a community to involve themselves in police advisory boards, including annual or semi-annual review of police procedures and, perhaps, as “observers” as police performance review boards and shooting boards. That said, any moron who attacks a police officer or resists arrest is fighting with someone who is (a) armed and (b) will arrest you no matter what it takes, and (c) is a person who carries around baggage just like the rest of us. Ergo, discretion is the better part of valor.

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    4. Yeah, lots of people will be signing up to be cops so that they can get sued by every person they arrest for excessive use of force. This country does not lack for Monday morning quarterbacks willing to judge/ jury a case and offer a lucrative settlement. You thought that there were too many lawsuits in the past? Just you wait. Every crook in the country will play the excessive force lottery and win a million!

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    5. "Say bye bye to honest cops" - okay... line them up at 9am. We'll be done by 10:30am if we milk the hell out of coffee breaks.

      Nobody wants "qualified immunity" for any other profession - think doctors... medical malpractice lawsuits are an adequate enough deterrent seperating the professionals from the riff-raff in most cases. Why not something like that for police? Of course, hiring police officers might be a little tougher when it's no longer a jobs program for military washouts and sub-potato level intellects, but so what? The status quo is a failure.

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    6. Mustang, I would caution for extra scrutiny on looking at police line of duty death statistics. The most prominent website that memorializes every cop that dies in America and takes to the media with the grand total for shock value don't tell you most of they deaths are from heart disease and single vehicle auto accidents with them drunk behind the wheel. The #1 cause of deaths of cops in America is doughnuts and vodka.

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    7. Why not? Because police CONFRONT LAWBREAKERS, they don't solve their medical issues for them. Cooperation isn't in question.

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    8. So, "oops sorry we shot your dog and broke all your windows with tear gas grenades because your address kinda looks the same as our suspect's when your hungover" gets a pass?

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    9. With the way this
      pastry chomper is out of breath from rag-dolling a 73 year old woman with dementia, it's obvious the Loveland Police Department needs MRAPs and attack helicopters.

      RESPECT MUH AUTHORITAH!

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    10. Mistakes will be made, and they'll be reviewed. You can sue the city for property damage.

      I want the cops to be aggressive and dish out lots of wood shampoos. People need to know that when the cops arrive, they mean business, and the time for *ssholery is over. In the old days, the lictors would whip the sh*t out of everyone around. You don't f*ck with them. If your 'mental' and 'old' and you still f*ck with them, tough t*tties. Even the mental cases should know better.

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    11. Joseph de Maistre' St Petersburg dialogues...

      I am sure, gentlemen, that you are too accustomed to reflection not to have pondered often on the executioner. Who is then this inexplicable being who has preferred to all the pleasant, lucrative, honest, and even honorable jobs that present themselves in hundreds to human power and dexterity that of torturing and putting to death his fellow creatures? Are this head and this heart made like ours? Do they not hold something peculiar and foreign to our nature? For my own part, I do not doubt this. He is made like us externally; he is born like us but he is an extraordinary being, and for him to exist in the human family a particular decree, a FIAT of the creative power is necessary. He is a species to himself. Look at the place he holds in public opinion and see if you can understand how he can ignore or affront this opinion! Scarcely have the authorities fixed his dwelling-place, scarcely has he taken possession of it, than the other houses seem to shrink back until they no longer overlook his. In the midst of this solitude and this kind of vacuum that forms around him, he lives alone with his woman and his offspring who make the human voice known to him, for without them he would know only groans. A dismal signal is given; a minor judicial official comes to his house to warn him that he is needed; he leaves; he arrives at some public place packed with a dense and throbbing crowd. A poisoner, a parricide, or a blasphemer is thrown to him; he seizes him, he stretches him on the ground, he ties him to a horizontal cross, he raises it up: then a dreadful silence falls, and nothing can be heard except the crack of bones breaking under the crossbar and the howls of the victim. He unfastens him; he carries him to a wheel: the shattered limbs interweave with the spokes; the head falls; the hair stands on end, and the mouth, open like a furnace, gives out spasmodically only a few blood-spattered words calling for death to come. He is finished: his heart flutters, but it is with joy; he congratulates himself, he says sincerely, No one can break men on the wheel better than I. He steps down; he stretches out his blood-stained hand, and justice throws into it from a distance a few pieces of gold which he carries through a double row of men drawing back with horror. He sits down to a meal and eats; then to bed, where he sleeps. And next day, on waking, he thinks of anything other than what he did the day before. Is this a man? Yes: God receives him in his temples and permits him to pray. He is not a criminal, yet it is impossible to say, for example, that he is virtuous, that he is an honest man, that he is estimable, and so on. No moral praise can be appropriate for him, since this assumes relationships with men, and he has none.

      And yet all grandeur, all power, all subordination rests on the executioner: he is the horror and the bond of human association. Remove this incomprehensible agent from the world, and at that very moment order gives way to chaos, thrones topple, and society disappears. God, who is the author of sovereignty, is the author also of chastisement: he has built our world on these two poles; for Jehovah is the master of the two poles, and on these he makes the world turn.[1 Samuel 2:8.]

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    12. Ah yes... nothing like the chance to lick boots to get your rocks off. I think you may be in the wrong country, if not the wrong planet.

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    13. You may want to review the US Declaration of Independence list of grievances when your meth binge wears off...

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    14. No, I don't crave anarchy... so sue me.

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    15. ...and neither did the founders, or we'd be living under Ben Franklin's Articles of Confederation instead of the government centralizing US Constitution.

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    16. ...but keep living in your own private Magnesia ad Meandrum.

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    18. Distrust all in whom the impulse to impose punishment is powerful." - Nietzsche

      You may want to read for comprehension as well

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    19. You too, since I was the one for letting Officer Chauvin off. :)

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    20. "But thus I counsel you, my friends: Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. They are people of a low sort and stock; the hangmen and the bloodhound look out of their faces. Mistrust all who talk much of their justice! Verily, their souls lack more than honey. And when they call themselves the good and the just, do not forget that they would be pharisees, if only they had—power."

      I revel in your impotence. ;)

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    21. Confrontation and arrest is punishment? Who knew? I thought that "punishment" was what happened after the verdict was in and the defendant deemed "guilty".

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    22. Seems to me that you would question La Clemenza de Tito, and scorn the giver of it.

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    23. Nietzsche was speaking of and to the Jews...

      The quality of mercy is not strained.
      It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
      Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
      It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
      'Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
      The thronèd monarch better than his crown.
      His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
      The attribute to awe and majesty
      Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
      But mercy is above this sceptered sway.
      It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings;
      It is an attribute to God Himself;
      And earthly power doth then show likest God's
      When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
      Though justice be thy plea, consider this:
      That in the course of justice none of us
      Should see salvation. We do pray for mercy,
      And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
      The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
      To mitigate the justice of thy plea,
      Which, if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
      Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.


      — Portia, in William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act 4, Scene 1.[1]<

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    24. Imagine a day when even the weak, the poor, and the oppressed were merciful. They would be a powerful people, indeed!

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    25. But you would deny all Authority. And the police are here to remind you of that Authority's source. This real of violence. 'F with it at your own peril.

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  8. There is no sanity in our civil discourse. If I want my neighbor to quit letting his dog poop on my lawn, is calling him foul names, throwing bricks at his house, and telling him how evil he is a productive manner of accomplishing that?

    We want whites to treat blacks better so we tell whites that they are evil, call them foul names, burn down their cities, take away their means of making a living. Do we really think all of this is going to make white people have more kindly and loving attitudes toward black people?

    Politicians and media rant endlessly about "systemic racism" and how blacks have been endlessly oppressed, and they think this will lead to any kind of solution. What solution? Telling someone repeatedly that they are and have been victims is going to make them feel better? Of course not. It is going to make them angry, and endlessly repeating it is going to feed and build that anger.

    So all of this left wing rhetoric is making the people who are chanting it feel better, but it is not solving any problems. It is not creating any jobs. It is not promoting family structures. It is not rebuilding communities. It is merely stoking anger in whites and blacks both.

    And so we seen in the news every single day that a mass shooting, five dead, four dead, twelve dead, is occurring somewhere in the country. Every day, and sometimes twice a day. Politicians and media blame guns. The real reason is anger, built by the rhetoric of "identity politics."

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    1. Jayhawk,
      As I read your comment, I found that I was nodding in agreement throughout.

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    2. Jayhawk - a question... do you think blacks are convinced that they are oppressed in America because of media attention to that oppression? When does experience and empathy come into play?

      I used to cynically joke that Bull Connor advanced the civil rights movement immeasurably by putting his firehoses and riot dogs on TV, into every Americans home on thr nightly news.

      The thing that upsets me the most about the George Floyd murder video is all the effing bystanders that didn't overwhelm the cops to stop it. Chauvin's smirk should be a permanent stain in someone's shoe treads.

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    3. Some EXCELLENT comments, thanks. I saw this recently, said by the newer Sen JFKennedy!
      "When it's a cop who shoots a criminal, it's always the cop's fault. WHen a criminal shots anyone, it's the gun's fault." Thus sayeth the Left. (my addition) Kind of goes along with your sentiment.
      I, too, worry this purge on anything White is going to backfire and it worries me...pushing hard doesn't help. A country who elected a Black president twice is 'systematically racist?', or a Black female VP? REALLY? Whose literally EVERY commercial on TV today has a Black cast and isn't commenting on that is SYSTEMICALLY RACIST? WOWZA.

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  9. @(((Thought Criminal)))
    I cannot answer that question, having flunked mind reading class in school.

    What about the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Does that make blacks think that they are oppressed? What about universities giving them preference in admission? does that add to their feelings of oppression?

    A wise person once told me that one person cannot be responsible for another person's feelings. I am responsible for how I treat you, but I am not responsible for how you feel. How much is real "oppression," and how much is simply feelings?

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  10. Thus the second part of my question - experience and empathy...

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    1. Don't be ridiculous. How can I experience what a black person does?

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    2. With your wide experience with oppression that allows you to dismiss claims of it from other human beings, of course. 🙄

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    3. @ TC:
      You are just being noisy and irrelevant; personal experience and empathy are not elements of law, they are just supposition. Are we supposed to be a nation of laws or not?
      Are we supposed to believe that the jury wasn't intimidated by the clown show in the streets that threatened to burn everything down or that they didn't feel personally threatened for the life's of their families and the destruction of their property? If even one juror felt threatened, if they didn't return the "right" verdict, then the trial was tainted and justice wasn't done; the verdict should be overturned and a mistrial be declared.
      When did you join BLM?

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  11. Following the verdict, we have this:

    BLM protesters scream ‘we don’t want you here’ at diners outside NYC restaurant

    Watch the video HERE.

    New York: #BLM protesters tell white people dining outside to “get the f— out of New York” & that their white-owned taquerias aren’t welcome. The crowd chant along.

    Charming. **heavy sarcasm**

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  12. NBC News deceptively edited police bodycam footage so their viewers wouldn’t see the knife in 15-year-old Ma’Kiyah Bryant’s hand moments before a Columbus officer shot her dead.

    NBC also deceptively edited the 911 call to omit the part where the caller says a girl was “trying to stab us.”

    Per Gateway Pundit... Yet we opine on the Floyd case as well as the latest with a modicum of information and that massaged by the MSM.

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    1. Bunkerville,
      NBC News deceptively edited police bodycam footage so their viewers wouldn’t see the knife in 15-year-old Ma’Kiyah Bryant’s hand...

      [head/desk]

      The mainstream media are the enemy of the people!

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  13. I am very glad that I am not going to live very much longer, but I grieve for the younger members of my family. This nation has no future, and its final years are going to be ugly.

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