See Fake News Drowned Father and Daughter by my friend Beakerkin of the blog The Beak Speaks, in reference to this recent photo. Brief excerpt below the fold.
Traveling to the USA via a caravan is a dangerous costly venture. The people taking these trips are well aware of these risks. To place any blame for the tragedies on the USA or anyone else is false. Life may not be ideal but the trip itself is dangerous and illegal. How about using the funds to make a criminal journey to improve your life at home....A family made a choice to take a costly dangerous journey to commit immigration fraud.Read the rest HERE.
Wouldn't the first reaction to be to see if both are dead as opposed to a photo-op? Maybe CPR?
ReplyDeleteYou can say it t's the father's fault nobody else's, but it's really the democrats' irresponsible, self-serving refusal; to do anything smart ot helpful that is killing and raping people.
ReplyDeleteOur government is stupid, suicidal and irresponsible, but the fault ultimately lies with those who take the risks to come here.
ReplyDeleteIf we didn't have a wide-open border and stupid laws, people would not risk it all and turn themselves over to criminal gangs to get here.
Anybody remember this purposeful US government cruelty?
ReplyDeleteA mother from Cuba ended up drowning getting her little boy to safety in this country.
What did our government do? They sent a swat team into his relative's Miami home, dragged the boy out screaming and crying, and sent him back to Castro's Cuba.
Thank you Democrat President Bill Clinton and Janet "burn those religious nuts" Reno.
The boy's father was found by U.S. courts to have a valid claim for the boy's return to Cuba.
DeleteIt has nothing to do with the self immolation of the psychotic Waco child molester.
The courts be damned. The mom had custody and died as she gave freedom to her son.
DeleteBeak's rant is all over the lot but does have a germ of truth, many of the migrants are economic migrants but he's wrong on another point, acts committed by non-state actors may qualify under the 1951 Convention where the State is unwilling or unable to protect the individual claiming refugee status. So claiming protection from criminal acts may be legal.
ReplyDeleteAs far as who is to blame for the dead father and infant depends on who you hold responsible for the father's desperation.
Ducky
DeleteFleeing criminal behavior is not a basis for an asylum claim. Nor is fleeing domestic violence. Nor is fleeing family planning. 90/ of the female genital mutation cases are in fact economic migrants.
The only genuine cases are usually gays or Venezuelans.
OT Actual Venezuelans wanted Code Pinko out of their embassy. Funny how Free Venezuelans don’t see eye to eye with Commies.
Officer, apparently you are unfamiliar with the law. There are three criteria necessary to claim refugee status on the basis of criminal threat:
DeleteThe threat of serious harm.
That the harm is on account of being part of a particular social group that refugee law protects.
That the state is unable or unwilling to protect its own citizen.
This is all delineated in the 1951 Refugee Convention which is the basis for U.S. asylum law. Being a member of a targeted family qualifies as membership in a particular group in some court cases.
So, as usual, you are wrong.
The same general guideline apply to domestic abuse although the Trump administration is attempting to deny the court petition.
DeleteDomestic abuse was added by Professor O'Bungle. Not part of the internationally-recognized guidelines.
DeleteLet’s try out Ducky hypotheses
DeleteGo to Canada
Claim you want asylum there on the basis of high crime or domestic violence.
Then go there and say Papa Johns doesn’t pay you enough.
These are not refugees.
Stick with camera angles and training aspiring Pornographers and Wedding photographers.
Good angle shots are difficult. I think Reed's use of the "Dutch tilt" in The Third Man was masterly.
DeleteNow back to the question of fleeing criminal threat as a vlid reason to be granted refugee status. Will you admit your error?
My first observation is that 95% of all immigrants (legal or otherwise) are economically motivated. The death of the man and child is certainly a tragedy, but I do not feel that the incident is in any way the fault of the United States. And of course, we must wonder if the child was one of those rental children we keep reading about. Meanwhile, Beto O’Rourke (whose identity crisis equals that of Rachel Dolezal) recently tweeted that DJT was responsible for that death. Accusations of that sort do not serve the interests of leftist politics, but it does seem to fit the illogical rantings of the left, by which I mean to say that it goes far beyond typical leftist hyperbole.
ReplyDeleteIf ducky’s logic incorporates the supposition that persons threatened by criminal elements qualify for refugee status, it would not appear to have been the intent of a law designed to ameliorate the post-colonial period following World War II. Still, given rampant levels of crime in Mexico, and again applying ducky’s logic, then every single person living in Mexico would qualify for refugee status. I’m thinking that this was never the intent of the US Department of State, although I am certain that ducky and the United Nations would be happy to make that argument now. The primary responsibility for taking care of citizens rests with their government. Mexico’s government will never own up to its responsibilities for as long as the US southern border is their safety value for unhappy people. So, if we apply ducky’s logic for a third time, those responsible for the dead man and the child would be the government of Mexico, whose inhumanity or incompetence led to their demise.
The best way to avoid drowning in the Rio Grande is not attempting to swim across the Rio Grande.
DeleteExactly so!
DeletePoultry
DeleteWhile you are entitled to an opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. He had no case for Asylum and the huge lines were caused by other fraudsters. Sorry you don’t like your menial job. Of course the globalist Duck would be singing a different tune if migrants were being given faculty jobs.
Yes Poultry I am an Officer. Actual activists familiar with my work praise it. Then again they are helping the actual poor and you are teaching aspiring pornographers.
Ducky "As far as who is to blame for the dead father and infant depends on who you hold responsible for the father's desperation."
ReplyDeleteOUR FAULT? America's is to blame? That's your usual default.
Beak is correct, and he knows immigration, of course, and he's heard every possible reason for immigrating.
America needs to protect the world, welcome and pay for the derelict and needy from countries their votes or their dictator allowed to go to hell, and we must support those who broke their country's laws and ours, but we need to disarm. Nice thinking. Let's protect them with our hands behind our backs, or in our pocket books looking for the remaining change.
A good discussion of the photo
Delete"The reality is that, although we know a little of the meaning behind what Le Duc has shown us, we still do not know enough.
We know that Martínez, 25, Valeria and her mother, Tania Vanessa Ávalos, arrived last weekend in the border city of Matamoros, Mexico, hoping to apply for asylum in the US.
We know too that finding the international bridge they entered the river to swim across on Sunday afternoon, quickly getting into difficulties in the current with their bodies washed on to the Mexican shore of the river.
Paradoxically, to protest and not simply acknowledge what we see in Le Duc’s harrowing picture requires that we do not look away; that we demand to know the context and ask the hard questions. That we bear both witness and know what we are seeing."
We don't want to hear from this communist bird, Even when he's right about technical points in the law, which is doubtful, he's still always wrong, because he's a rotten marxist who should not be allowed to air his evil views in any publc place. Marxism should hve been outlawed a hundred years ago, and those who liked it should have been put to death. It would have seed us all a lot of trouble. Hitler ws not all wrong.
DeleteDucky,
DeleteIf they were fleeing their home nation, they were safe from that in Mexico.
This human wave is about the Golden Ticket.
...much like all those Syrians still in Sweden.
DeletePoultry
DeleteA photo without facts is bs
The guy didn’t like his job a Papa Johns. He knowingly took a costly trip to commit Asylum fraud. Did we mention the trip is dangerous. Having found the line to commit fraud long he decided to illegally enter the USA. He engaged in risky behavior swimming with a toddler and leaving her unattended
All this lousy behavior and you blame trump.
Says more about a movement that makes operas about Muslims tossing sen American senior citizens in wheelchairs off cruise liners.
Up votes for Beak!
DeleteOfficer Strutter, he waited in line at the point of entry. His initial intent was not to commit fraud.
DeleteWhat the bleep does a well received John Adams opera have to do with the matter at hand?
"A photo without facts is bs"
That's ridiculous and your cheering section should know it. You seem to want to trivialize his death.
Please point to one post in this entire thread where I blame Trump.
Nostradumbass,
DeleteSave your outrage for someone unfamiliar with your agitprop. "You" trivialize "their" deaths with your cheap adherence to a leftist political narrative - as in waving the bloody shirt.
He couldn't bother to wait in line and died of his own bad decisions. Too bad he drug along an innocent child to her death.
One other thing, the illegals held over for a deportation hearing are released until the date of the hearing, 90% don't show and disappear into the general population. That, also, is committing a fraud. For all ICE knew, he could have been someone who had already been deported, a criminal escaping justice and the child might not even have been his own.
Perhaps you should, instead, contemplate the deaths and misery your failed ideology has brought about in the last century.
Duck,
DeleteOfficer Strutter?
Cut that out! Beak does his job and without strutting.
Warren,
DeleteOne other thing, the illegals held over for a deportation hearing are released until the date of the hearing, 90% don't show and disappear into the general population. That, also, is committing a fraud.
Yep! And often committing identity theft in the process (fraud).
That fraud is one reason that we who are citizens and have basically lived in one place for our entire lives have to be tormented with proving our "legal presence" via obtaining a Real ID driver's license. Hours of document gathering followed by hours of waiting in line like cattle at the DMV. Mr. AOW and I just went through that hassle.
If Duck is right (about the parental relationship) it removes my suspicion that she was a "rent-a-child".
ReplyDeleteBEAK HAS WRITTEN AN EXCELLENT, WELL REASONED, ADMIRABLY DISPASSIONATE STATEMENT of FACTS. I, personally, hate chasing after links, so I'm taking the liberty of posting Beak's article here verbatim for everyone's convenience . It's well worth reading.
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FAKE NEWS DROWNED FATHER AND DAUGHTER
While the images are disturbing and tragic, The media spin is nauseating. The reaction in the media is reminiscent of the labotomized Obama responses to terrorism and school shootings. Commit the greatest homophobic crime in USA history while screaming religious verbiage let’s blame the NRA. Do the same in Paris at a Kosher Market and let’s call it street crime.
SOME BASIC FACTS
Immigration is not a human right
Illegal immigration is a crime
Economic Migrants have no basis to claim Asylum
Asylum is rife with all manner of fraud
Few cases other than those fleeing Venezuela or Gays are genuine
Fleeing criminal activity, domestic violence or family planning are asylum issues
Traveling to the USA via a caravan is a dangerous costly venture. The people taking these trips are well aware of these risks. To place any blame for the tragedies on the USA or anyone else is false. Life may not be ideal but the trip itself is dangerous and illegal. How about using the funds to make a criminal journey to improve your life at home.
Once again, I watched the most insane news source to see how this was presented. The words economic migrants never did get mentioned among the self righteous platitudes. Yes there was a tragedy, but standing on top of the dead sans facts is labotomized Obama-style politics.
Lets talk about some facts missed in the Young Turks presentation. These are in no description refugees. These are not Jews fleeing the Holocaust. These are not Venezuelans fleeing socialist caused starvation. These are not gays or Christians fleeting persecution.
These are economic migrants making taking a dangerous expensive journey to commit immigration fraud.
The media treat immigrants like pure innocents and the reality is more complex. Lefties like to spin word salads for facts they can’t explain like persistent starvations every time Marxism is applied at a national level. How the folks in Gaza have a better standard of living and more freedoms than Venezuelans.
Crime is not a legitimate basis for an asylum claim. If so let residents of bad enclaves in the USA ask for asylum in Canada.
Domestic violence is a criminal matter and not the basis of an asylum claim. It is up to local governments to handle these situations.
There is a loss of life and a regrettable tragedy. However, this tragedy has nothing to do with the USA or Trump. A family made a choice to take a costly dangerous journey to commit immigration fraud. The reason the lines are long is because of a plethora of economic migrants making fraudulent claims often coached by ethically immoral NGOs and legal charlatans.
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They don't give a dam about children. They do care about power.
ReplyDeleteForgive link but I like Jericho Green's summation -- see end of infovid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MsHf6rU-Yc
LSP,
DeleteThey don't give a dam about children. They do care about power.
Truer words never spoken!
Actually you can see scores of Venezuelan children working as prostitutes and cleaning cars in Colombia. Of course Poultry could care less.
ReplyDeleteHe has his lefty snuff picture. Thousands of starving caused by Marx doesn’t exist