"That posonous gossip Mathilda McGillicuddy goes to church with her head held high, and her nose pointed toward the ceiling looking as though smilled something nasty, but that woman is nothing but an OLD WHITED SEPULCHER. Her HEART is black as pitch"
All three of Notre Dame´s Rose Windows SURVIVED blaze, Archbishop of Paris says, as first daylight images show inferno aftermath and criminal probe focuses on renovation experts
Daily Mail
by Peter Allen and Alexander Robertson
Notre Dame´s three medieval stained-glass windows all survived last night´s devastating fire, the Archbishop of Paris has said, as detectives probe the renovation work which may have led to the blaze. The first daylight pictures inside the wreckage of the Paris landmark today showed the roof destroyed, the 850-year-old church exposed to the elements and the floor covered in charred debris. However the three ´irreplaceable´ Rose Windows, which date to the 13th century and were last night feared to have melted or exploded, are all still believed to be intact. ...
'WE WILL REBUILD': The world is united in grief over the fire that destroyed much of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral Monday as French President Emmanuel Macron vows the historical cathedral will be rebuilt ... (Fox)
The Images That Could Help Rebuild Notre-Dame Cathedral
Atlantic
by Alexis C. Madrigal
Before the tragedy seen all around the world, flames leaping from the top of Notre-Dame Cathedral, there was a smaller one, thousands of miles away in upstate New York. Andrew Tallon, a pioneering architectural historian and father of four, died on November 16, 2018, from brain cancer. He was 49. He had dedicated his life to the study of medieval architecture, its mysteries and resonances, blending in his interest in technology to create novel ways of studying centuries-old buildings. “When you’re working on medieval buildings, it’s difficult to have the impression you can say anything new. ...
Glib Talk in the Wake of the Immensely Sorrowful Notre Dame Inferno
American Thinker
by Monica Showalter
No, I didn´t see any Muslims dancing over it. Which, in my anger as the horror sunk in, was the first thing I looked for. But there were plenty of people didn´t quite get what the massive losses from the Notre Dame fire, which made so many of us actually cry, was really about. (snip) Three things that made me go ´ugh.´ First, the press coverage utterly dismissing that it was terrorism, or that someone set the fire deliberately. For a place like Notre Dame to go 850 years without such a fire, ...
Hysterical article, but at leas Showalter is honest in describing "what the massive losses from the Notre Dame fire, which made so many of us actually cry, was really about.": The loss of a "beautiful landmark."
Also, if she wants to be taken seriously when she speaks of serious historical topics, she should know better than to refer to the Middle Ages as "the Dark Ages."
Where I tend to see passionate involvement, you tend to see hysteria.
So be it. Everyone hs a right to hs option, but let's not confuse opinion with fact. ;-)
I've been tremendsouly moved by this tragic event, myself. I love historic architecture, art, antiques and relics of antiquity. One they are gone, they cannot be replaced.
Even if Notre Dame gets restored using the exact same materials, tools, methods, and specifications, it will STILL never be the same again. The passage of 850-odd years does something to a building that just can't be reproduced.
So, yeah, to ME –– and people like me who really care about such things –– this terrible event is chraged with hyper-emotional significance.
In a strange way i feel as though part of myself has been torn away never to return.
Franco, You can take comfort in the fact that much of Europe's historical architecture is a rebuilt facsimile of the original that was destroyed by time or by war. That doesn't not detract from their beauty or value.
I think it does detract, a little. I'll still visit a recreation but it's not the same as an original. Here's how I managed to be reasonably cheerful about the fire: the medieval engineers who designed the roof would likely be delighted by how this has turned out. They carefully designed it to protect the interior in the event of a fire, and by and large it did! I'd rather it hadn't caught fire, but it did and that cannot be undone. Whether they recreate it or replace it with something else doesn't much matter to me; the original roof was amazing, not just in form and also, over several centuries use and even through its destruction, function. What replaces it should be amazing too; most important of all, it should follow the spirit of its predecessor and protect the interior come what may.
Thank you, Jez. For once we mostly agree. There is a reason why beautifully crafted REPRODUCTIONS of antique furniture and other artifacts from the past, perfectly accurate in every minute detail to the naked eye, sell for less than one tenth the value of the original prototype –– sometimes even less.
Not everyone is able to appreciate the difference. It took me a while to understand it, myself, but there's a mystique about something that has stood the test of time for a century or more thst gives the piece special significance.
I am privileged to own several items that were in use before my great grandparents were born, and even before. Several have lived through the 18th-century colonial period, the American Revolution, the Founding of our Nation, the War of 1812. the period of Westward Expansion, the Birth of the Industrial Revolution, the Civil War, and all the myriad ravages and insults to the human spirit that occurred in the twentieth century.
This may sound absurd to the stern, practical, usually unimaginative souls not given to fancies, appreciatiin of aesthetics, or introspection, but the very fact that several of these beautiful things have SURVIVED for more than two hundred years of storm, stress and relative degrees of poverty and prosperity gives me courage. It's as though theur very existence saying to me, "If we have been able to do it, you can too."
And then there's the constant awareness that these things in many cases were handled and happily used by my mother and father, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, mentors, special friends, and many others I'll never be able to know anything about. They are firsthand Witnesses to History as well.
Such knowledge gves me a peculiar thrill that a brand new replica could never duplicate.
We're not all alike, thank God, so none of this may appeal to many others, but that does nothing to diminish my enjoyment of –– or my respect for –– these tangible links with the past.
No one is arguing that the value of an original far surpasses that of a replica or rebuilt item.
I have scrambled all over historical sites in France, Germany and Italy, and most people would be astonished at how few of them stand untouched by restoration, with some parts that crumbled having been replaced by modern construction projects, painstakingly conducted to not look grafted on.
I only wanted to emphasize the considerable differences between necessary MAINTENANCE of Old Things, RESTORATION of Old Things that were damaged, and REPLICATION of Old Things that were completely destroyed.
Ou-r own Colinial Williamsburg for nstanc is a wonderful REPLICATION of n important historic place. I understand most it was rebuilt on original FOUNDATIONS whever tht was possible, but when John D. Rockefller underwrote and undertook the project in the early 1920's there was virtually nothing left of the Colonial Capital that had once been.
My parents spent part of their honeymoon visiting Colonal Williamsburg not long after it was first opened to the public.
The "bug" that infected them after that expernce was transferred to me, and I have expanded on fulfilling many of THEIR dreams most of adult life.
French Billionaire Francois-Henri Pinault Pledges $113 Million to Help Rebuild Notre Dame Cathedral
Breitbart Europe
by Joshua Caplan
French billionaire Francois-Henri Pinault, chairman and CEO of the international luxury group Kering, is pledging 100 million euros ($113 million) to help rebuild Paris’ Notre Dame Cathedral after a massive blaze ripped through the over 800-year-old church Monday, according to Agence France-Presse.Pinault owns several high-end fashion brands, including Gucci, Yves Saint Laurent, and Balenciaga, and is the husband of actress Salma Hayek. Forbes pegs the Pinault family fortune at $35 billion.A massive fire engulfed the upper reaches of the Notre Dame Cathedral as it was undergoing renovations Monday, threatening one of the greatest architectural treasures of the Western world as . . .
I WONDER HOW MUCH GEORGE SOROS PLANS TO GIVE, DON'T YOU?
Shepard Smith Shuts Down Discussion of Attacks on French Churches: ‘Not on My Watch’
Newsbusters
by Scott Whitlock
Fox anchor Shepard Smith on Monday melted down when a French guest attempted to explain the ongoing attacks, violence and vandalism against French churches. Talking about the fire engulfing Notre Dame, where the cause is unknown, guest Philippe Karsenty began, “For the past years, we´ve had churches desecrated each and every week all over France.”
Just seconds after his guest was introduced, Smith immediately jumped in and reprimanded, “Sir, sir, sir, we´re not going to speculate of the cause of something that we don´t know! If you have observations or you know something, we would love to hear it.” After . . .
WHAT IF ANYTHING DO YOU MAKE OF THIS ATTITUDE ON SHEP SMITH'S PART?
Fox News Anchors Shut Down Conspiracy Theories About Notre Dame Fire
Daily Beast
by Justin Baragona
During two separate occasions on Monday afternoon, Fox News anchors Shepard Smith and Neil Cavuto had to dump out of interviews after their guests wildly speculated and parroted conspiracy theories that the blaze that suddenly destroyed much of the historic Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris was an intentionally malicious act.
While anchoring breaking-news coverage of the fire, Smith interviewed witness Philippe Karsenty, the deputy mayor of Neuilly-sur-Seine and a controversial right-wing media figure. Early in the call, Karsenty suggested that the Notre Dame blaze — which is currently being investigated as an accident — was a terrorist act . . .
I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT OFFICIAL EAGERNESS TO SHUT DOWN DISCUSSION OF CONTROVERSIALTHEORIES INDICATES THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE MAY WELL BE SOMETHING TO THESE SO-CALLED "CONSPIRACY THEORIES." IT'S TOO REMINISCENT OF THE WARMISTA RABID DESIRE TO MUZZLE<, DEFAME, AND PUNISH HONEST SKEPTICISM ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING.
I would just like for people to pause and hold their fire until the facts emerge. Given the Newsweek article AOW linked to, why not speculate it was radical feminists?
Or better yet, why speculate at all? I am not interested in some cable TV nitwit's fact-free opinion.
There's a world of difference between INFORMED opinion rendered by well-read, sensitive, aware people of culture, and idle speculation by fools and ruffians.
I agree with you, about the rude, loudmouthed, fever-pitched quasi-hysterical ranting and raving we hear entirely too often these days.
Even the TRUTH suffers a great disservice when it is revealed with too much vehemence and fierce vociferation.
I would point you, however, towards MARK LEVIN'S Sunday night program "Life, Liberty and Levin," which consistently features a calm, rational, deliberative, patient, polite, curious, refreshingly even tone.
...The focus of prosecutors is currently on contractors Le Bras Freres, whose owner Julien Le Bras last year boasted his firm's goal was 'to keep as many old items as possible and not to put the building at risk' after they were awarded a €5.7m (£5m, $6.5m) contract as part of the cathedral's restoration project.
Detectives investigating the catastrophic blaze are today interviewing specialist restorers who were carrying out works on the cathedral spire when the inferno broke out.
French police are understood to have launched a criminal inquiry after a 'stray flame' caused fire to engulf the landmark last night, with heroic firefighters battling for eight hours to bring the blaze under control.
The Paris prosecutor's office is probing 'involuntary destruction caused by fire', indicating authorities are treating the blaze as a tragic accident and not arson or terrorism.
'Nothing suggests that it was a voluntary act,' Remy Heitz told reporters outside the Gothic cathedral, adding that the workers employed at the site were being questioned over Monday's blaze....
Frankly I am getting tired of being lectured about what I can speculate or not speculate.....sure, give it time and we will learn nothing and everything will be buried to get the desired outcome. Of course no Muslim would even think about damaging a Catholic Church. Silly me.
I think we need to ask France to share their arson investigation knowledge. Imagine how much time and money could be saved if our government could stand outside a still burning building and rule out arson.
It's not surprising that with zero evidence French officials said it is not terrorism, what is surprising is that they immediately said it was an accident while the roof structure was still fully involved. The correct assessment at that time would have been "we have absolutely no idea yet". It's as ridiculous to say it's not terrorism, or arson, or accidental with no evidence as it is to give preference to any of them. Calling it terrorism or calling it an accident are both are presuppositions favoring one's personally preferred narrative. I for one have never come across a "stray flame" wandering around on its own.
"The fire started up near the roof top, while another fire started in the north bell tower," Picaud told NBC News. "All damage seems to be up high and did not go into the lower part of church or touch the organ or stained-glass windows."
And yes, the truth –– whatever it may be –– does remain to be seen, but the immediate attempt to stifle, suppress, and rudely dismiss all points of view not in conformance with the Official Narrative does not pass the Smell Test, and immediately raises hackles in people still capable of deliberative thought processes.
Whenever YOU appear, "A Ninny Mouse," we see how imbecility too easily takes hold of a culture when inspiried by the seductive blandisments of seditious "wolves in sheep's clothing."
But you have already given us enough "evidence" on which it is logical –– even compelling –– to speculate.
The argument I favor is NOT for adamant partisanship, but to allow for unfettered OPEN DEBATE instead of IMPOSED orthodox views from the corridors of Self Serving Centralized Power.
And didn't you mean to say "without any evidence pushing either viewpoint could well be the start of a conspiracy THEORY?"
ISIS and other Islamic terror groups are quick to take credit for their work.....this woild especially be the case after the fall of their last piece of secure real estate in Syria.
'twould be foolish to do so, although they also take credit where credit is not due. Not saying it's terrorism, also not saying it was an accident barring any evidence either way.
Not really.....the inevitable backlash against Islam would play exactly into their overall strategy.....at a time when recruitment and funding is at a low ebb. I've never seen ISIS or AQ fail to take credit for one of their attacks.
CI, the inevitable backlash against Islam would play exactly into their overall strategy
Ahem! Doing something plays into the strategy of Islamic terrorists and doing nothing, i.e. cowering, plays into the strategy of Islamic terrorists. CATCH-22!
This (875 Catholic Churches in France Were Vandalized in 2018 by Radical Secularists and Muslims) was barely reported. What happened to the Notre Dame Cathedral could not be ignored by the media.
To some extent; but the "victimization" of Muslims has historically led to a larger PR gain for terror groups.
Besides, IF this was a terrorist event, but the specific perpetrators are unknown.....the public is likely going to see "no action taken". Because, how is France supposed to retaliate against the terror group? We're already taking the fight to ISIS wherever we find them.
PARIS—An alarm was raised at Notre Dame at 6:20 p.m. on Monday night—23 minutes before the structure was engulfed in flames—but officials found no sign of a fire.
Firefighters who responded to a second alert raced to the scene but were then unable to tame an inferno that ripped through the 12th century cathedral for the next 9 hours.
From what I've been able to gather so far the firemen took MORE than TWO SOLID HOURS to get to the scene AFTER the alarm had been sounded.
lausible excuses have been given involving "crowds of onlookers BLOCKING the Fire Department," and the topography [Notre Dame de Paris was built on an ISLAND in the Seine], but still one can't help wondering why more and btter precautionary measures –– and "battle plans" –– were, apparently, never taken to safeguard so great a National Treasure?
These are the people who thought the Maginot Line would keep the Germans out.
The rare success of the Bitche Citadel in repelling an almost yearlong siege of Bavarian forces during the Franco-Prussian War, and later recouping the Alsace-Lorraine after WW I got them feeling a little too "cocky" (no offence to le coq gaulois)
AN INTERESTNG FACTOID THAT STARTLED ME WHEN IT CAME TO LIGHT YESTERDAY:
The now-fallen STEEPLE, which was at least two hundred feet tall maybe more, was not added to Notre Dame d Paris until EIGHTEEN FORTY-THREE.
We Americans rarely know and have difficulty understanding that the Great Cathedrals of Europe and Britain were built over periods lasting several CENTURIES. The architechts and artisans who produced these marvels have largely remained unidentified.
Modern restorations are themselves a work of science and art. Finding matching materials, modern stonemasons attempting to match the original stonework... Interesting stuff!
Construction on Notre Dame de Paris began in the middle of the 12th century and went on for approximately a hundred years before it opened. But like most 850-year-old buildings, it’s a pastiche.
“This central mother church is, among the ancient churches of Paris, a sort of chimera,” wrote Hugo in his famous novel. “It has the head of one, the limbs of another, the haunches of another, something of all.” Architect Eugène Viollet-le-Duc brought new statues, gargoyles, and the famous spire to the cathedral in his restoration in the 1850s, remaking the historic edifice with his own vision.
The cathedral didn’t stop there. Much of the stained glass dated from the 1960s. The bells were brand new. A new reconstruction campaign had recently gotten underway.
In one way, then, the rebuilding that is surely to come is just one link in the long chain of additions and subtractions that preceded it.
The original Frauenkirche was replaced in the 18th century by a larger Baroque Lutheran building. It is considered an outstanding example of Protestant sacred architecture, featuring one of the largest domes in Europe.
It was originally built as a sign of the will of the citizens of Dresden to remain Protestant after their ruler had converted to Catholicism. It now also serves as a symbol of reconciliation between former warring enemies.
Built in the 18th century, the church was destroyed in the bombing of Dresden during World War II. The remaining ruins were left for 50 years as a war memorial, following decisions of local East German leaders.
The church was rebuilt after the reunification of Germany, starting in 1994. The reconstruction of its exterior was completed in 2004, and the interior in 2005.
The church was reconsecrated on 30 October 2005 with festive services lasting through the Protestant observance of Reformation Day on 31 October.
The surrounding Neumarkt square with its many valuable Baroque buildings was also reconstructed in 2004.
~ from WIKIPEDIA on the Fraunkirche, Dresden, Germany
On April 15, 2019, a huge fire destroyed much of the beautiful medieval Catholic cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. Millions of people watched, in shock, live video feeds of the tragic destruction.
But what about the hundreds of other European churches that are vandalized and set ablaze each year? As Gatestone's Raymond Ibrahim reported in an article just one day before the Notre Dame blaze:
"Countless churches throughout Western Europe are being vandalized, defecated on, and torched. In France, two churches are desecrated every day on average... In virtually every instance of church attacks, authorities and media obfuscate the identity of the vandals. In those rare instances when the Muslim (or "migrant") identity of the destroyers is leaked, the perpetrators are then presented as suffering from mental health issues."
Well, Quackpot, we kn;ow POSITI+VELY what bothers YOU most:
The very EXISTENcE of the Right Wing, itself.
I rather think YOu don't really care a proverbial FIG about the fate of Notre Dame d Paris or anything ELSE, except the zealous imposition of your precious crypto-Marxist ideology on whatever may be left of Western Civilization.
SF, Yes, a fat racist pig burned three churches in Louisiana. It is sad but unremarkable that in a nation of over 300 million we would have such statistical outliers.
ISIS fanatics Warn of a Future Attack on Fire-Ravaged Notre Dame in Online Poster Depicting the Cathedral Up in Flames Once More
Daily Mail (UK)
by Tim Stickings
Jihadists linked to ISIS have shared a menacing image of Notre Dame in flames once more, warning: ´Wait for the next´. The extremist media group published the graphic showing flames in front of the Paris cathedral´s bell towers, which survived Monday´s blaze.
There is no indication that the fire was linked to terror but ISIS fanatics have revelled in the damage to the 850-year-old landmark, a symbol of Western civilisation, just days before Easter.
The latest image, revealed by terror monitors SITE intelligence, hints at a possible deliberate attack by ISIS-aligned militants in the future. (Photos) As the church burned . . .
YET ANOTHER OF MYRIAD EXAMPLES WHY IMPLEMENTING DIDADIN WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT ISLAMANIA. THIS VICIOUS LUNATIC DEATH CULT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE WEST.
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A sad metaphor for Christianity in Europe
ReplyDeleteNo, the sad metaphor is that France (the State) owns the cathedral and that the Catholics only "maintain" it.
Delete"whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean."
Delete"That posonous gossip Mathilda McGillicuddy goes to church with her head held high, and her nose pointed toward the ceiling looking as though smilled something nasty, but that woman is nothing but an OLD WHITED SEPULCHER. Her HEART is black as pitch"
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The West need more men like Father Fournier.
ReplyDeleteAMEN!
DeleteOnward, Chrisstian Soldiers, marching as to war
DeleteWith the Cross of Jesus going on before.
~ S. Baring-Gould
Remember a CROSS was formed in the rubble and stood out like a beacon after the destruction of New York's World Trade Center on Septemeber 11, 2001
And now the Golden Cross at the altar of Notre Dame de Paris still shines –– again like a beacon –– amidst the rubble that was once a great cathedral.
AN ENCOURAGING REPORT:
ReplyDeleteAll three of Notre Dame´s Rose Windows SURVIVED blaze, Archbishop of Paris says, as first daylight images show inferno aftermath and criminal probe focuses on renovation experts
Daily Mail
by Peter Allen and Alexander Robertson
Notre Dame´s three medieval stained-glass windows all survived last night´s devastating fire, the Archbishop of Paris has said, as detectives probe the renovation work which may have led to the blaze. The first daylight pictures inside the wreckage of the Paris landmark today showed the roof destroyed, the 850-year-old church exposed to the elements and the floor covered in charred debris. However the three ´irreplaceable´ Rose Windows, which date to the 13th century and were last night feared to have melted or exploded, are all still believed to be intact. ...
'WE WILL REBUILD': The world is united in grief over the fire that destroyed much of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral Monday as French President Emmanuel Macron vows the historical cathedral will be rebuilt ... (Fox)
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The Images That Could Help Rebuild Notre-Dame Cathedral
ReplyDeleteAtlantic
by Alexis C. Madrigal
Before the tragedy seen all around the world, flames leaping from the top of Notre-Dame Cathedral, there was a smaller one, thousands of miles away in upstate New York. Andrew Tallon, a pioneering architectural historian and father of four, died on November 16, 2018, from brain cancer. He was 49. He had dedicated his life to the study of medieval architecture, its mysteries and resonances, blending in his interest in technology to create novel ways of studying centuries-old buildings. “When you’re working on medieval buildings, it’s difficult to have the impression you can say anything new. ...
ReplyDeleteGlib Talk in the Wake of the Immensely Sorrowful Notre Dame Inferno
American Thinker
by Monica Showalter
No, I didn´t see any Muslims dancing over it. Which, in my anger as the horror sunk in, was the first thing I looked for. But there were plenty of people didn´t quite get what the massive losses from the Notre Dame fire, which made so many of us actually cry, was really about. (snip) Three things that made me go ´ugh.´ First, the press coverage utterly dismissing that it was terrorism, or that someone set the fire deliberately. For a place like Notre Dame to go 850 years without such a fire, ...
Hysterical article, but at leas Showalter is honest in describing "what the massive losses from the Notre Dame fire, which made so many of us actually cry, was really about.": The loss of a "beautiful landmark."
DeleteAlso, if she wants to be taken seriously when she speaks of serious historical topics, she should know better than to refer to the Middle Ages as "the Dark Ages."
Where I tend to see passionate involvement, you tend to see hysteria.
DeleteSo be it. Everyone hs a right to hs option, but let's not confuse opinion with fact. ;-)
I've been tremendsouly moved by this tragic event, myself. I love historic architecture, art, antiques and relics of antiquity. One they are gone, they cannot be replaced.
Even if Notre Dame gets restored using the exact same materials, tools, methods, and specifications, it will STILL never be the same again. The passage of 850-odd years does something to a building that just can't be reproduced.
So, yeah, to ME –– and people like me who really care about such things –– this terrible event is chraged with hyper-emotional significance.
In a strange way i feel as though part of myself has been torn away never to return.
Franco,
DeleteYou can take comfort in the fact that much of Europe's historical architecture is a rebuilt facsimile of the original that was destroyed by time or by war. That doesn't not detract from their beauty or value.
I think it does detract, a little. I'll still visit a recreation but it's not the same as an original.
DeleteHere's how I managed to be reasonably cheerful about the fire: the medieval engineers who designed the roof would likely be delighted by how this has turned out. They carefully designed it to protect the interior in the event of a fire, and by and large it did!
I'd rather it hadn't caught fire, but it did and that cannot be undone. Whether they recreate it or replace it with something else doesn't much matter to me; the original roof was amazing, not just in form and also, over several centuries use and even through its destruction, function. What replaces it should be amazing too; most important of all, it should follow the spirit of its predecessor and protect the interior come what may.
@ Jez: " They carefully designed it to protect the interior in the event of a fire"
DeleteInteresting! I didn't know that.
Thank you, Jez. For once we mostly agree. There is a reason why beautifully crafted REPRODUCTIONS of antique furniture and other artifacts from the past, perfectly accurate in every minute detail to the naked eye, sell for less than one tenth the value of the original prototype –– sometimes even less.
DeleteNot everyone is able to appreciate the difference. It took me a while to understand it, myself, but there's a mystique about something that has stood the test of time for a century or more thst gives the piece special significance.
I am privileged to own several items that were in use before my great grandparents were born, and even before. Several have lived through the 18th-century colonial period, the American Revolution, the Founding of our Nation, the War of 1812. the period of Westward Expansion, the Birth of the Industrial Revolution, the Civil War, and all the myriad ravages and insults to the human spirit that occurred in the twentieth century.
This may sound absurd to the stern, practical, usually unimaginative souls not given to fancies, appreciatiin of aesthetics, or introspection, but the very fact that several of these beautiful things have SURVIVED for more than two hundred years of storm, stress and relative degrees of poverty and prosperity gives me courage. It's as though theur very existence saying to me, "If we have been able to do it, you can too."
And then there's the constant awareness that these things in many cases were handled and happily used by my mother and father, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, mentors, special friends, and many others I'll never be able to know anything about. They are firsthand Witnesses to History as well.
Such knowledge gves me a peculiar thrill that a brand new replica could never duplicate.
We're not all alike, thank God, so none of this may appeal to many others, but that does nothing to diminish my enjoyment of –– or my respect for –– these tangible links with the past.
No one is arguing that the value of an original far surpasses that of a replica or rebuilt item.
DeleteI have scrambled all over historical sites in France, Germany and Italy, and most people would be astonished at how few of them stand untouched by restoration, with some parts that crumbled having been replaced by modern construction projects, painstakingly conducted to not look grafted on.
Here are five famous examples:
https://homesthetics.net/5-buildings-destroyed-during-ww2-now-rebuilt-from-ashes/
Thanks for that information, Silver.
DeleteI only wanted to emphasize the considerable differences between necessary MAINTENANCE of Old Things, RESTORATION of Old Things that were damaged, and REPLICATION of Old Things that were completely destroyed.
Ou-r own Colinial Williamsburg for nstanc is a wonderful REPLICATION of n important historic place. I understand most it was rebuilt on original FOUNDATIONS whever tht was possible, but when John D. Rockefller underwrote and undertook the project in the early 1920's there was virtually nothing left of the Colonial Capital that had once been.
My parents spent part of their honeymoon visiting Colonal Williamsburg not long after it was first opened to the public.
The "bug" that infected them after that expernce was transferred to me, and I have expanded on fulfilling many of THEIR dreams most of adult life.
Indeed. Unfortunately, the foundation of some European historical landmarks are the only remaining original piece.
DeleteIt'll make a great Community Center/ Mosque for the new 21st century occupants.
DeleteFrench Billionaire Francois-Henri Pinault Pledges $113 Million to Help Rebuild
ReplyDeleteNotre Dame Cathedral
Breitbart Europe
by Joshua Caplan
French billionaire Francois-Henri Pinault, chairman and CEO of the international luxury group Kering, is pledging 100 million euros ($113 million) to help rebuild Paris’ Notre Dame Cathedral after a massive blaze ripped through the over 800-year-old church Monday, according to Agence France-Presse.Pinault owns several high-end fashion brands, including Gucci, Yves Saint Laurent, and Balenciaga, and is the husband of actress Salma Hayek. Forbes pegs the Pinault family fortune at $35 billion.A massive fire engulfed the upper reaches of the Notre Dame Cathedral as it was undergoing renovations Monday, threatening one of the greatest architectural treasures of the Western world as . . .
I WONDER HOW MUCH GEORGE SOROS PLANS TO GIVE, DON'T YOU?
ReplyDeleteShepard Smith Shuts Down Discussion of Attacks on French Churches: ‘Not on My Watch’
Newsbusters
by Scott Whitlock
Fox anchor Shepard Smith on Monday melted down when a French guest attempted to explain the ongoing attacks, violence and vandalism against French churches. Talking about the fire engulfing Notre Dame, where the cause is unknown, guest Philippe Karsenty began, “For the past years, we´ve had churches desecrated each and every week all over France.”
Just seconds after his guest was introduced, Smith immediately jumped in and reprimanded, “Sir, sir, sir, we´re not going to speculate of the cause of something that we don´t know! If you have observations or you know something, we would love to hear it.” After . . .
WHAT IF ANYTHING DO YOU MAKE OF THIS ATTITUDE ON SHEP SMITH'S PART?
Franco,
DeleteI suppose that this must not be brought up in the aftermath of the burning of the Notre Dame Cathedral:
Catholic Churches Are Being Desecrated Across France (Newsweek).
Western Europe, get a clue!
DO YOU THINK THIS WISE ON FOX'S PART?
ReplyDeleteFox News Anchors Shut Down Conspiracy Theories About Notre Dame Fire
Daily Beast
by Justin Baragona
During two separate occasions on Monday afternoon, Fox News anchors Shepard Smith and Neil Cavuto had to dump out of interviews after their guests wildly speculated and parroted conspiracy theories that the blaze that suddenly destroyed much of the historic Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris was an intentionally malicious act.
While anchoring breaking-news coverage of the fire, Smith interviewed witness Philippe Karsenty, the deputy mayor of Neuilly-sur-Seine and a controversial right-wing media figure. Early in the call, Karsenty suggested that the Notre Dame blaze — which is currently being investigated as an accident — was a terrorist act . . .
I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT OFFICIAL EAGERNESS TO SHUT DOWN DISCUSSION OF CONTROVERSIALTHEORIES INDICATES THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE MAY WELL BE SOMETHING TO THESE SO-CALLED "CONSPIRACY THEORIES." IT'S TOO REMINISCENT OF THE WARMISTA RABID DESIRE TO MUZZLE<, DEFAME, AND PUNISH HONEST SKEPTICISM ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING.
I'm tired of loudmouth lunatics on all sides using global platforms to belch out their nonsense.
Delete"Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see."
Mob hysteria is one thing. Honest speculation about various possibilities that may or may not have bearing on a tragic event is another.
DeleteThe former is always undesirable.
The latter entirely legitimate.
The TIMING of this horrific event certainly suggests something other than a mere "accident."
I, personally, am sick and tired of OFFICIAL STIFLING of OPINIONS not in harmony with the OFFICIAL NARRATIVE or political point of view.
A Free Society can NOT thrive in climate that honors TABOOS.
We are living in an increasingly militant ATHEISTIC, ANTI-CHRISTIAN, vehemently PRO-MULTICULTURAL Age.
Absolutely EVERYBODY must be CELEBRATED, LAUDED, PROTECTED, SHELTERED and INDULGED with the SINGLE EXCEPTION of WHITE CHRISTIAN CAPITALIST MALES.
I would just like for people to pause and hold their fire until the facts emerge. Given the Newsweek article AOW linked to, why not speculate it was radical feminists?
DeleteOr better yet, why speculate at all? I am not interested in some cable TV nitwit's fact-free opinion.
There's a world of difference between INFORMED opinion rendered by well-read, sensitive, aware people of culture, and idle speculation by fools and ruffians.
DeleteI agree with you, about the rude, loudmouthed, fever-pitched quasi-hysterical ranting and raving we hear entirely too often these days.
DeleteEven the TRUTH suffers a great disservice when it is revealed with too much vehemence and fierce vociferation.
I would point you, however, towards MARK LEVIN'S Sunday night program "Life, Liberty and Levin," which consistently features a calm, rational, deliberative, patient, polite, curious, refreshingly even tone.
I have found Levin's approach most engaging.
For what it's worth:
ReplyDelete...The focus of prosecutors is currently on contractors Le Bras Freres, whose owner Julien Le Bras last year boasted his firm's goal was 'to keep as many old items as possible and not to put the building at risk' after they were awarded a €5.7m (£5m, $6.5m) contract as part of the cathedral's restoration project.
Detectives investigating the catastrophic blaze are today interviewing specialist restorers who were carrying out works on the cathedral spire when the inferno broke out.
French police are understood to have launched a criminal inquiry after a 'stray flame' caused fire to engulf the landmark last night, with heroic firefighters battling for eight hours to bring the blaze under control.
The Paris prosecutor's office is probing 'involuntary destruction caused by fire', indicating authorities are treating the blaze as a tragic accident and not arson or terrorism.
'Nothing suggests that it was a voluntary act,' Remy Heitz told reporters outside the Gothic cathedral, adding that the workers employed at the site were being questioned over Monday's blaze....
Worth knowing...
ReplyDeleteNotre Dame Cathedral was 'vulnerable' to fire, expert says: "If there is a most vulnerable time for a church, it is when it is under construction," one fire expert said.
Certainly worth CONSIDERING, but so are some of the grimmer, more cntroversial possibilities given the virulent anti-Chrisitan mental climate today.
DeleteHEADLINES at the DRUDGE REPORT re NOTRE DAME de PARIS
ReplyDeleteTHE MORNING AFTER...
STAINED-GLASS WINDOWS SURVIVE...
PHOTOS...
COPS LAUNCH CRIMINAL PROBE...
Alarm Was Raised 23 Mins Before Blaze Detected...
AGE, DESIGN FOILED FIREFIGHTERS...
Macron Presides Over Rare Unity...
Could take DECADES to rebuild...
ISIS celebrates 'punishment'...
LIVE: FRANCE 24...
Frankly I am getting tired of being lectured about what I can speculate or not speculate.....sure, give it time and we will learn nothing and everything will be buried to get the desired outcome. Of course no Muslim would even think about damaging a Catholic Church. Silly me.
ReplyDeleteYES!
DeleteI think we need to ask France to share their arson investigation knowledge. Imagine how much time and money could be saved if our government could stand outside a still burning building and rule out arson.
DeleteTC,
Deletestand outside a still burning building and rule out arson
And that's what has my hackles up the most! Other than the destruction of the Cathedral of Notre Dame.
It's not surprising that with zero evidence French officials said it is not terrorism, what is surprising is that they immediately said it was an accident while the roof structure was still fully involved. The correct assessment at that time would have been "we have absolutely no idea yet". It's as ridiculous to say it's not terrorism, or arson, or accidental with no evidence as it is to give preference to any of them. Calling it terrorism or calling it an accident are both are presuppositions favoring one's personally preferred narrative. I for one have never come across a "stray flame" wandering around on its own.
ReplyDeleteBRAVO! Good man, Finntann!
DeleteThank you.
Finntann,
DeleteCalling it terrorism or calling it an accident are both are presuppositions favoring one's personally preferred narrative.
Exactly@
Oh, and did anyone else catch this?
ReplyDelete"The fire started up near the roof top, while another fire started in the north bell tower," Picaud told NBC News. "All damage seems to be up high and did not go into the lower part of church or touch the organ or stained-glass windows."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/notre-dame-cathedral-was-vulnerable-fire-expert-says-n994791
I've never heard of an accidental fire coincidentally starting in two different places.
Now whether Picaud knows anything about what he's talking about remains to be seen.
Egg-ZACK-Lee!
DeleteAnd yes, the truth –– whatever it may be –– does remain to be seen, but the immediate attempt to stifle, suppress, and rudely dismiss all points of view not in conformance with the Official Narrative does not pass the Smell Test, and immediately raises hackles in people still capable of deliberative thought processes.
We are seeing how conspiracy theories start.
ReplyDeleteThink Vince Foster and Fort Marcy Park and learn how that conspiracy theory worked out for him.
DeleteWhenever YOU appear, "A Ninny Mouse," we see how imbecility too easily takes hold of a culture when inspiried by the seductive blandisments of seditious "wolves in sheep's clothing."
Deletewithout any evidence pushing either viewpoint could well be the start of a conspiracy.
DeleteBut you have already given us enough "evidence" on which it is logical –– even compelling –– to speculate.
DeleteThe argument I favor is NOT for adamant partisanship, but to allow for unfettered OPEN DEBATE instead of IMPOSED orthodox views from the corridors of Self Serving Centralized Power.
And didn't you mean to say "without any evidence pushing either viewpoint could well be the start of a conspiracy THEORY?"
ISIS and other Islamic terror groups are quick to take credit for their work.....this woild especially be the case after the fall of their last piece of secure real estate in Syria.
ReplyDeleteNone have done so.
'twould be foolish to do so, although they also take credit where credit is not due. Not saying it's terrorism, also not saying it was an accident barring any evidence either way.
DeleteNot really.....the inevitable backlash against Islam would play exactly into their overall strategy.....at a time when recruitment and funding is at a low ebb. I've never seen ISIS or AQ fail to take credit for one of their attacks.
DeleteHas anyone yet "taken credit"?
DeleteCI,
Deletethe inevitable backlash against Islam would play exactly into their overall strategy
Ahem! Doing something plays into the strategy of Islamic terrorists and doing nothing, i.e. cowering, plays into the strategy of Islamic terrorists. CATCH-22!
This (875 Catholic Churches in France Were Vandalized in 2018 by Radical Secularists and Muslims) was barely reported. What happened to the Notre Dame Cathedral could not be ignored by the media.
Delete"Catch 22"
DeleteTo some extent; but the "victimization" of Muslims has historically led to a larger PR gain for terror groups.
Besides, IF this was a terrorist event, but the specific perpetrators are unknown.....the public is likely going to see "no action taken". Because, how is France supposed to retaliate against the terror group? We're already taking the fight to ISIS wherever we find them.
Above, Franco copied and pasted this headline from Drudge:
ReplyDeleteAlarm Was Raised 23 Mins Before Blaze Detected
HERE is the link. From the Daily Beast:
PARIS—An alarm was raised at Notre Dame at 6:20 p.m. on Monday night—23 minutes before the structure was engulfed in flames—but officials found no sign of a fire.
Firefighters who responded to a second alert raced to the scene but were then unable to tame an inferno that ripped through the 12th century cathedral for the next 9 hours.
Explain, please!
From what I've been able to gather so far the firemen took MORE than TWO SOLID HOURS to get to the scene AFTER the alarm had been sounded.
Deletelausible excuses have been given involving "crowds of onlookers BLOCKING the Fire Department," and the topography [Notre Dame de Paris was built on an ISLAND in the Seine], but still one can't help wondering why more and btter precautionary measures –– and "battle plans" –– were, apparently, never taken to safeguard so great a National Treasure?
We're talking France, where in 2003, 19,000 old people died in a heat wave while the rest of the nation was out on six weeks holiday.
DeleteTerrible, of course but isn't that a bit like comparng oranges to apples?
Deletei don't see how the heat wave tragedy of 2002 relates to this particular discussion, but I'm eager to hear any explanation you might want to offer.
These are the people who thought the Maginot Line would keep the Germans out.
DeleteThe rare success of the Bitche Citadel in repelling an almost yearlong siege of Bavarian forces during the Franco-Prussian War, and later recouping the Alsace-Lorraine after WW I got them feeling a little too "cocky" (no offence to le coq gaulois)
AN INTERESTNG FACTOID THAT STARTLED ME WHEN IT CAME TO LIGHT YESTERDAY:
ReplyDeleteThe now-fallen STEEPLE, which was at least two hundred feet tall maybe more, was not added to Notre Dame d Paris until EIGHTEEN FORTY-THREE.
We Americans rarely know and have difficulty understanding that the Great Cathedrals of Europe and Britain were built over periods lasting several CENTURIES. The architechts and artisans who produced these marvels have largely remained unidentified.
The cathedral originally had a spire from about 1230 up until 1786. The 1843 spire was part of le-Duc's restoration.
DeleteWhich is the point I was trying to make earlier. Rare is the ancient European architectural marvel untouched by some degree of modern restoration.
DeleteModern restorations are themselves a work of science and art. Finding matching materials, modern stonemasons attempting to match the original stonework... Interesting stuff!
DeleteConstruction on Notre Dame de Paris began in the middle of the 12th century and went on for approximately a hundred years before it opened. But like most 850-year-old buildings, it’s a pastiche.
Delete“This central mother church is, among the ancient churches of Paris, a sort of chimera,” wrote Hugo in his famous novel. “It has the head of one, the limbs of another, the haunches of another, something of all.” Architect Eugène Viollet-le-Duc brought new statues, gargoyles, and the famous spire to the cathedral in his restoration in the 1850s, remaking the historic edifice with his own vision.
The cathedral didn’t stop there. Much of the stained glass dated from the 1960s. The bells were brand new. A new reconstruction campaign had recently gotten underway.
In one way, then, the rebuilding that is surely to come is just one link in the long chain of additions and subtractions that preceded it.
https://slate.com/business/2019/04/a-piece-of-paris-goes-up-in-flames.html
Notre Dame will be restored just as Dresden restored the Frauenkirche.
DeleteThe church of Theseus?
Delete"Someone broke into my house and replaced everything with exact replicas." - Steven Wright
DeleteThe original Frauenkirche was replaced in the 18th century by a larger Baroque Lutheran building. It is considered an outstanding example of Protestant sacred architecture, featuring one of the largest domes in Europe.
DeleteIt was originally built as a sign of the will of the citizens of Dresden to remain Protestant after their ruler had converted to Catholicism. It now also serves as a symbol of reconciliation between former warring enemies.
Built in the 18th century, the church was destroyed in the bombing of Dresden during World War II. The remaining ruins were left for 50 years as a war memorial, following decisions of local East German leaders.
The church was rebuilt after the reunification of Germany, starting in 1994. The reconstruction of its exterior was completed in 2004, and the interior in 2005.
The church was reconsecrated on 30 October 2005 with festive services lasting through the Protestant observance of Reformation Day on 31 October.
The surrounding Neumarkt square with its many valuable Baroque buildings was also reconstructed in 2004.
~ from WIKIPEDIA on the Fraunkirche, Dresden, Germany
IMO, it is not unreasonable to speculate that Muslim arsonists were behind the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral.
ReplyDeleteOf course, even IF Muslims were the arsonists, the power that be would cover up -- or at least try to cover up -- that reality.
Islamophilia rules the day.
So do cowardice and dhimmitude.
Email from Gatestone Institute:
ReplyDeleteDear Friend,
On April 15, 2019, a huge fire destroyed much of the beautiful medieval Catholic cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. Millions of people watched, in shock, live video feeds of the tragic destruction.
But what about the hundreds of other European churches that are vandalized and set ablaze each year? As Gatestone's Raymond Ibrahim reported in an article just one day before the Notre Dame blaze:
"Countless churches throughout Western Europe are being vandalized, defecated on, and torched. In France, two churches are desecrated every day on average... In virtually every instance of church attacks, authorities and media obfuscate the identity of the vandals. In those rare instances when the Muslim (or "migrant") identity of the destroyers is leaked, the perpetrators are then presented as suffering from mental health issues."
I don't know what bother the right most, the extreme damage to an iconic symbol of western civilization or the fact it can't be pinned on islamists.
DeleteWell, Quackpot, we kn;ow POSITI+VELY what bothers YOU most:
DeleteThe very EXISTENcE of the Right Wing, itself.
I rather think YOu don't really care a proverbial FIG about the fate of Notre Dame d Paris or anything ELSE, except the zealous imposition of your precious crypto-Marxist ideology on whatever may be left of Western Civilization.
Franco,
DeleteSpot on!
Related reading:
ReplyDeleteEuropean Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day" by Raymond Ibrahim April 14, 2019 at 5:00 am
The fire at Notre Dame Cathedral occurred on April 15.
There was a fire at the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem the same day.
ReplyDeleteSome sheriff's son burned three churches in Louisiana recently.
DeleteSimultaneous retaliation by a rapid reaction force of European Fox News conservatives?
DeleteCalifornia wildfires are burning the pagan gathering grounds of Gaia worshippers ;)
DeleteIt's a conspiracy, Ducky.
SF,
DeleteYes, a fat racist pig burned three churches in Louisiana. It is sad but unremarkable that in a nation of over 300 million we would have such statistical outliers.
Outlier, indeed. On a Facebook page that appears to belong to [21 yo Holden] Matthews, he is listed as the lead singer of a band called Vodka Vultures .
His social media participation indicates that he's a nutjob with too much time -- and too much food -- on his hands.
ISIS fanatics Warn of a Future Attack on Fire-Ravaged Notre Dame in Online Poster Depicting the Cathedral Up in Flames Once More
ReplyDeleteDaily Mail (UK)
by Tim Stickings
Jihadists linked to ISIS have shared a menacing image of Notre Dame in flames once more, warning: ´Wait for the next´. The extremist media group published the graphic showing flames in front of the Paris cathedral´s bell towers, which survived Monday´s blaze.
There is no indication that the fire was linked to terror but ISIS fanatics have revelled in the damage to the 850-year-old landmark, a symbol of Western civilisation, just days before Easter.
The latest image, revealed by terror monitors SITE intelligence, hints at a possible deliberate attack by ISIS-aligned militants in the future. (Photos) As the church burned . . .
YET ANOTHER OF MYRIAD EXAMPLES WHY IMPLEMENTING DIDADIN WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT ISLAMANIA. THIS VICIOUS LUNATIC DEATH CULT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE WEST.