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| Silverfiddle Rant! |
Is that fair? If you think so explain why.
Is it the NRA's fault? If you think so, explain how.
What the Hell is Going On?
More importantly, why is this happening? Why are people going off like sticks of dynamite?
Psychotropic meds? SRIs? Anti-depressants? ADHD medication?
Violent Hollywood "entertainment?"
Realistic first-person shooter games?
Societal decay? Declining moral standards? Family estrangement? Alienation?
Conspiratorial minds could posit darker forces...
All of the above. We are cultivating a self-centered, disposable, drive-by society, where Maslow's hierarchy has been condensed into an on-demand, social media-ization framework.
ReplyDeleteIntelligent people could see that recipe for disaster from the start.
Blaming these events on the tool used or rhetoric by one's politician of choice for convenient scapegoating, ignores the root of the problem. The root that people writ large don't want to confront.....that we've done this to ourselves.
At least we know that the Left will be consistent and continue to blame guns and the NRA, based always on false pretenses.
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DeleteAt least we know that the Left will be consistent and continue to blame guns and the NRA, ...and Trump.
DeleteI read Crucius's entire manifesto. While some of it can be designated as an insane rant, there are portions addressing what we have often discussed in the past -- the disconnect between WE THE PEOPLE and our political leadership:
ReplyDelete...In short, America is rotting from the inside out,
and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly
impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked
corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all
the damage these corporations have caused, but here
is what is important. Due to the death of the baby
boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of
the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship
and more to enact a political coup by importing and then
legalizing millions of new voters. With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future....
His manifesto toward the end extends a call for like minded people to do what he did.
DeleteWhere are we going as a balkanized nation?
BTW, Crucius's manifesto is not a rambling piece of writing in the same sense as Brevik's, which went on for page after page.
DeleteI took your suggestion and read it this morning. Yes, it is a mixed bag. Opinion polls over the past decade have shown Americans concerned the nation is changing in ways they don't like.
DeleteHe also makes valid points on corporations, but his "Hispanic invasion" of Texas is historically ignorant and misplaced. People from Spain and their mestizo Criollo offspring were there before European-American settlers, and Texas has been a great melting pot of Hispanic and Anglo cultures and intermarriage. As I have previously pointed out, pick out a group of people with Hispanic last names, and over half of them won't be able to converse with you in Spanish.
Having said that, Texas is bearing the brunt of illegal immigration from south of the border. One more crisis fomented by our stinking, rotten, incompetent partisan politics-addled federal government.
SF,
DeleteI took your suggestion and read it this morning.
Thank you! I wish that more of my friends would read the entire thing, then consider seriously what is written therein. IMPORTANT!
SF,
Deletehis "Hispanic invasion" of Texas is historically ignorant and misplaced
Agreed.
But if he replaced the word Hispanics, with the word caravans....
Another question that we should be asking, IMO....
ReplyDeleteWhat prevents people from executing mass killings?
My mother would say (yes, she really said this):
"When people lose the fear of punishment in an afterlife, they will do all sorts of evil things in this life."
Could Mom have been onto something with that statement?
YES! Amen.
DeleteOne of the malignant ramifications of the Enlightenment is the cult of reason and the multifarious epigones spawned from it, most being some variant of man as his/her own god.
What prevents people from executing mass killings?
DeletePeople who don't feel the need to take independent action to solve problems that the government is chartered to execute.
The one guy was a satan worshiper and the other was similarly demonically influenced as is the media in it's coverage and some politicians.
DeleteSure, that sounds weird.
What about this doesn't?
We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but principalities and powers of the air.
My friend The Beak published THIS yesterday. Excerpt:
ReplyDeleteThe desperate media tries to play connect the dots with every mass shooting except those done by Muslims or communists. When a Muslim perpetrated the greatest homophobic crime in US history the OBAMA line was it was guns.
[...]
The sad part is that the left and the country club republicans are somewhat guilty of creating an atmosphere where
legitimate concerns about immigration are marginalized. The result is The truly unhinged gather on extremist websites Where lunatics compete to be the shriller....
Read Beak's entire post HERE.
Yes. The left uses these horrific events to shut down rational debate on immigration.
DeleteI notice even the NY Slimes is engaging in deliberate propagandizing by calling these evens "terrorist," and the perpetrators, "terrorists."
These events do not meet that definition, and it is one more example of Orwellian linguistic vandalism. "control speech-control thought."
Like you said.
DeleteIf Trump’s To Blame For El Paso Shooting, Is Warren To Blame For Dayton?
ReplyDelete"In the case of the shooter who killed nine people in Dayton, Ohio, he was a leftist Elizabeth Warren supporter and a Satanist."
Apparently POTUS is now calling for "strong" background checks.....whatever "strong" means.
ReplyDeleteIf it's the unenforceable 'Universal Background Checks'....then, thanks for nothing.
He's struggling and flailing to get on top of this, and he will fail. But that's politics...
DeleteMore importantly, the Ohio mass murderer was known to be a violent crazy since high school. This seems to be a common thread. The question everyone should be focused on is, in our constitutional republic, how do we handle such situations without infringing the rights of free people?
Your last question is apt....but my position certainly is...whatever 'solution' is proffered....it absolutely does NOT infringe on our Constitutionally protected Rights.
DeleteLiberty isn't a safe space.....
What I heard last night was that POTUS is encouraging “red flag” interventions. Let me say that “government” already collects information on our physical and mental well-being, so I find it difficult to believe that government doesn’t know about those who are likely to have psychotic episodes. I do understand the gravity of the situation, but the red flag idea is about as “just” as believing every woman who makes a claim of sexual impropriety simply because she’s female. I fully support what CI wrote at 5:26:00. No one, it seems, is looking at the impact of violent video games, where you win points for murdering people in cold blood, nor even the fact that the people who design them and play them are all at least two-bubbles off plumb. Parents buy these games for their children when the kids are still around 13 years old. We know where the government is, but where are the parents? That said, some perspective: we do not have hundreds of murdering maniacs running around committing mass murders. We have a few who do harm to large numbers of innocents, but let’s not punish large numbers of law-abiding/responsible gun owners for the sins of a few bad seed.
DeleteNo one, it seems, is looking at the impact of violent video games
DeleteWhatever the actual culpability of violent video games....I find it interesting that generations that grew up playing dodgeball, army, cops/robbers or cowboys/indians....didn't go on to commit mass murder, sans the rarest of exceptions.
The generation that is either prohibited or shamed by doing the same.....quite a different outcome, in a number of metric.
I'd like to hear the pseudo quackery community try to wax lyrically about that.
So long as the government perpetuates the open border immigration problem, no amount of gun control or confiscation will convince people who's jobs are being hijacked and wages suppressed from taking independent action to diminish their opposition to open borders.
DeleteThersites,
DeleteSo long as the government perpetuates the open border immigration problem, no amount of gun control or confiscation will convince people who's jobs are being hijacked and wages suppressed from taking independent action
Yes, that is the scary truth.
Dis you hear Trey Gowdey announce to Maria Bartiroma that he is willing to give up any other right to protect the right to live?
DeleteTraitorous scum.
Yes, over @ tcth... disappointing.
DeleteI never liked Gowdy. I pegged him as a grandstanding blowhard when I first saw him.
DeleteMy opinion of Trey Gowdy changes almost as often as the direction he combs his hair.
DeleteSolvable "political" problems have been turned by politicians and the media into unsolvable "cultural" problem.
ReplyDeleteImmigration is no longer about two classes of people, "citizens" and "non-citizens", it been "racialized" as white people vs. brown people, and socialized as "haves" and "have-nots".
How we "think" of the problems and how politicans/ media "state" the problems makes a big difference.
But if we continue to make the problems "unsolvable", more and more people will see how broken the government is and take independent actions on their own.
Blaming Trump is only going to instigate more shootings. What they should have done to prevent the Walmart shooting is NOT to have confiscated all guns. They should build the wall so that the shooter, et al, didn't feel that NOTHING was beoing done.
The Right isn't going to compromise on gun control. The Left isn't going to compromise racial inequality. But we need to come to a compromise on immigration policy. And compromise (like building walls and controlling entry) is an easy solution.
DeleteHalf a century ago, when the Maoist wave was at its strongest, Mao Zedong’s distinction between “principal” and “secondary” contradictions (from his treatise “On Contradiction,” written in 1937) was a common currency in political debates. Perhaps, this distinction deserves to be brought back to life.
Let’s begin with a simple example: Macedonia – what’s in a name? A couple of months ago, the governments of Macedonia and Greece concluded an agreement on how to resolve the problem of the name “Macedonia.” It should change its name into “Northern Macedonia.”
This solution was instantly attacked by the radicals in both countries. Greek opponents insisted “Macedonia” is an old Greek name, and Macedonian opponents felt humiliated by being reduced to a “Northern” province since they are the only people who call themselves “Macedonians.”
Imperfect as it was, the solution offered a glimpse of hope to end a long and meaningless struggle with a reasonable compromise.
But it was caught in another “contradiction” – the struggle between big powers (the US and EU on the one side, Russia on the other side). The West put pressure on both sides to accept the compromise so that Macedonia could quickly join the EU and NATO, while, for exactly the same reason (seeing in it the danger of its loss of influence in the Balkans), Russia opposed it, supporting conservative nationalist forces in both countries, to varying degrees.
So, which side should we take here? I think we should decidedly take the side of compromise, for the simple reason that it is the only realist solution to the problem. Russia opposed it simply because of its geopolitical interests, without offering another solution, so supporting Russia here would have meant sacrificing the reasonable solution of the singular problem of Macedonian and Greek relations to international geopolitical interests. - Slavoj Zizek
The Right isn't going to compromise on gun control.
DeleteThe Right has always compromised on gun control. Hence the NFA, AWB, etc....
Around the edges. But fundamentally, the 2nd Amendment stands and millions own guns. Confiscation and elimination is what the Left demands.
DeleteThersites,
DeleteWhat they should have done to prevent the Walmart shooting is NOT to have confiscated all guns. They should build the wall so that the shooter, et al, didn't feel that NOTHING was beoing done.
Up votes for that statement!
The 2nd Amendement guarantees two things. That people will either be allowed to pursue their own happiness, or if they become unhappy, people are going to die.
DeleteWe'll absolutely disagree on those two specific acts [not to mention the many others] qualify as "around the edges".
DeleteIncrementalism is still compromise, and that is exactly the strategy the Left is employing...to meet the very end state that you write.
Compromise up to the line of confiscation....is no defense of the 2A.
Lets face it, Americans, be they felons or lunatics or righteous citizens, will always be able to legally or illegally acquire and use guns.
DeleteThere are 393 million guns in the USA and only 326 million people. And those numbers are NEVER going to go down.
Talking gun control after a mass shooting is simple a political evasion of the actual problem that led to the resulting shooting (passage a'lacte; be it mental health, immigration, personal vendetta, or other).
DeleteI agree with your last two points. But be it after or between shootings....the number of staunch 2A supporters in positions or legislative power.....are few.
Delete"Incrementalism is still compromise, and that is exactly the strategy the Left is employing...to meet the very end state that you write."
DeleteYep.
See my previous comment re Trey Gowdey.
Over at Twitchy, Brian Cates makes the case that the underlying problem is nihilism. He also points out: we have a media & a political atmosphere right now that literally cannot recognize this.
ReplyDeletePlease read ‘Media and politicians DON’T get it’: Brian Cates’ thread on the gunman’s alleged ‘manifesto’ is a must read. IMPORTANT!
Another snippet:
Deletethese guys **INSIST** on surrendering alive. They want to watch the "fun" as the media tries to figure out which 'side' they belong to.
I'm not sure 'insisting' is the correct framing....it seems to be a mixed bag on the perpetrators seeking the end in their actions v. surrender.
DeleteA dispassionate analysis
ReplyDeleteNot that it's going to make any difference. The need to defend Trump is too blinding.
"Dispassionate"? Seriously?
DeleteI could give two sh*ts about Trump...but I can tell you that your "dispassionate analysis" is garbage. It opens with blaming Trump...but then quickly interjects the same, tired false narratives and reflexive tantrums about the NRA, and "gun fetishism".
There's some significant reasons that the Left hasn't had much traction on gun control....an aversion to truth and facts are among the most prevalent.
Ducky is a Typical left-winger. Join us or die
DeleteWhat CI said.
DeleteOnly a fully-indoctrinated hive dweller could confuse an overflowing propaganda toilet with "dispassionate analysis."
Your second amendment fetish is blinding you.
DeleteHate the Constitution....not the Citizen.
DeleteYour fetish for control has robbed you of the ability to see the reasons for why society has devolved.
There were no mass murders or shootings before Trump became President? Who knew?
DeleteThe legendary dispassion of the duck..
DeleteFarmer: Thank you for finding and sharing the perfect link.
DeleteThe 2nd is a train wreck of a sentence that is open to more than the recent strict NRA interpretation.
DeleteMeanwhile the issue of mass shootings will see nonsense blaming vide games and pop culture try to cover for just accepting the shootings or enacting reasonable controls like the rest of the industrialized world.
Why only here?
Let the infantile ad hominems continue.
Farmer: Thank you for finding and sharing the perfect link.
Deletealso.
"The 2nd is a train wreck of a sentence that is open to more than the recent strict NRA interpretation."
DeleteOf course you are more brilliant than the Founders, Duck.
Shame you weren't there to correct them.
Ducky,
DeleteConcerning your comment about the 2nd Amendment:
Can you point to any instances of the US government in in the early days of the republic...
Confiscating guns from non-militia members?
Passing any laws prohibiting gun ownership by people not belonging to a "well-regulated militia?" Don't weasel out by saying "everybody was part of the militia." Old grannies and invalids unable to serve had firearms in their homes.
Can you point to any of the founders' writings that suggest gun ownership should be restricted to only those belonging to a militia, and that upon leaving the militia, the former member must surrender his firearm?
As a final note, did you know that the Bill of Rights are nothing more than positive declarations of specific rights that already exist in natural law as negative rights, and are protected by the text of the original constitution?
In other words, since I know you are incapable of comprehending what I just stated, The Bill of Rights does not grant any rights to anyone, and it certainly does not limit anyone's preexisting rights, so the left's arguments against the 2nd Amendment are intellectually vapid, which has been repeatedly demonstrated in our nation's courts, to include the Supreme Court.
I'm with those who believe that Madison wrote the 2nd to assure his fellow Virginians (and others) that they would be guaranteed the "right" to arm militias to protect themselves from the slave revolts they feared. The militia were at that stage almost exclusively a slave-control tool.
DeleteThe militias were disbanded after the war but arm weren't confiscated.
Anyway it's a long way from a general provision for home protection.
Gun control comes up in a most indicative fashion around race again when St. Ronnie Raygun was scared by the Black Panthers and got behind the Mulford Act.
SCOTUS didn't get involved till 2008 but many state controls have stayed in effect.
@ Nostradumbass.
DeleteYou are also among those that "think" that Santa Claus is real.
Farmer, SF, do you still believe Ducky is intelligent?
I just really want to know if he actually believes the crap he spouts.
The History Of The Second Amendment
Unlike, Nostradumbass's fever dreams, this is actual history and not agitprop.
Ducky,
DeleteThank you for conceding that in no time in our nation's history did any responsible people interpret the 2nd Amendment in the perverse post-modern reading you lefties pulled out of your wazoos.
Warren,
DeleteI believe Ducky is intelligent, and crafty. I also believe he is a fully-indoctrinated member in good standing of the hive politburo and he will lie, cheat and steal to advance his leftwing extremism.
I have said it many times: He is intellectually dishonest to his rotten core.
Ducky cannot only see what the Framers intended WRT the Right of the Citizen to be armed...he dares not delve into the historical influences that guided their work.
DeleteLearning iz hard.....
I vote intelligent, sincere, but with a pink brand on his hiney from his red diapers.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about "Red Flag" laws:
ReplyDeleteThe lefties have already promoted the idea the "Right Wing Thought" is a mental disease. If they get a confiscation law in place the "justification" for confiscating ALL guns will be found.
Your last point is exactly correct.
DeleteAsk a Leftist this: If the gun control clownshow succeeds in confiscation of firearms that they erroneously ascribe as "assault weapons"....when the next mass shooting occurs, but with a pistol [as with Virginia Tach and others], what do they do then?
You likely won't get an honest answer, because, of course......but we know.
The canard of "nobody wants to take away your guns' is laughably, and transparently false.
Bingo! The same leftwing tactic applies to speech. Once the politburo speech controllers are given the OK to stamp out "hate speech," watch that definition grow.
Delete@Silverfiddle
ReplyDeleteYes. The bill of rights does not grant rights to individuals. It specifies that these rights cannot be taken away or infringed by the government.
It's amazing how few people understand that, and nobody on the totalitarian left can even bring themselves to acknowledge it when its pointed out to them.
DeleteMOST if not ALL the things that have been rotting out our society from within for many decades have stemmed from the pernicious influence of Cultural Marxism.
ReplyDeleteDisbeleve that at your peril.
Cultural Marxism was an "appropriation" and subsequent "defense" of capitalism to the threat of Marxism. A tool used to facilitate Big Capital's "multi-cultural" cheap-labour project and at the same time "muddle" the former solidarity of social-class divisions identified by the Marxists.
ReplyDeleteDisbelieve that at your peril.
In a fascist way, the rightist populist figure of the enemy (the combination of financial elites and invading immigrants) combines both extremes of the social hierarchy, thereby blurring the class struggle.
DeleteOn the opposite end and in an almost symmetrical way, the politically-correct anti-racism and anti-sexism struggles barely conceal that their ultimate target is white working class racism and sexism, thereby also neutralizing class struggle.
That’s why the designation of political correctness as “cultural Marxism” is false. Political correctness in all its pseudo-radicality is, on the contrary, the last defense of “bourgeois” liberalism against Marxism, obfuscating/displacing class struggle as the “principal contradiction.”
The same goes for the transgender and #MeToo struggle. It is also overdetermined by the “principal contradiction” of the class struggle which introduces an antagonism into its very heart.
Tarana Burke, who created the #MeToo campaign more than a decade ago, observed in a recent critical note that in the years since the movement began, it deployed an unwavering obsession with the perpetrators — a cyclical circus of accusations, culpability, and indiscretions.
“We are working diligently so that the popular narrative about MeToo shifts from what it is,” Burke said.
“We have to shift the narrative that it’s a gender war, that it’s anti-male, that it’s men against women, that it’s only for a certain type of person — that it’s for white, cisgender, heterosexual, famous women.“
In short, one should struggle to refocus #MeToo onto the daily suffering of millions of ordinary working women and housewives. This emphatically can be done. For example, in South Korea, #MeToo exploded with tens of thousands of ordinary women demonstrating against their sexual exploitation. - Slavoj Zizek, "How Mao would have evaluated the Yellow Vests
Silver... Under the heading "What the hell is going on" you listed some potential reasons/causes for what happened in El Paso. Many commentators here, and you seemed to pooh pooh the idea that President Trump's words could be inspirational to people perhaps inclined to commit such acts.
ReplyDeleteFor centuries, we've seen how words have inspired people to achieve, excel and act heroically. The words of Pres Kennedy, Winston Churchill, Gandi and Martin Luther King have pushed many people to act as, using the words of Pres GHW Bush, "points of light."
If it is possible that the words of world leaders can inspire people to do good, isn't it also possible that those leader's words could inspire people to tragic acts as well?
If so, isn't a discussion of whether Pres Trump is inspiring people to good, or bad acts, a fair discussion?
Of course words can inspire people to action, but pinning any of this on President Trump is no more legitimate that pinning Rep Scalise's shooting on Bernie Sanders, or the Ohio shooter's murders on Elizabeth Warren.
DeleteI don't believe in playing those games. I do not believe in the heckler's (or mentally ill) veto.
Dave Miller, asks: Could President Trump's words be inspirational to people perhaps inclined to commit such acts.
DeleteYes they could, especially if they couldn't afford one of THESE.
Remember, when you hear the dog whistle, it means that you're the dog.
If so, isn't a discussion of whether Pres Trump is inspiring people to good, or bad acts, a fair discussion?
ReplyDeleteLet's not limit ourselves...if Trump's rhetoric is worthy of discussion due to likelihood of inciting violence.....then the rhetoric by Democrats towards Conservatives, gun owners and the NRA is certainly worthy of equal weight...especially when the shooter is an avowed Leftist.
Right?
Isn't it weighted by the dignity of the office?
DeleteHow large of a dignity chasm lies between POTUS and a Senator or Representative?
DeleteI don't know your system that well, but in terms of political clout not much (although it's tempting to apply a factor of 535 just based on numbers).
DeleteBut dignity is different from clout, and the office of head-of-state transcends politics in a way that a seat in a chamber of parliament does not. Britain's Queen is almost entirely powerless, yet is vastly more dignified than her PM, for example.
That's not to say that rhetoric from the legislative branch hasn't been short of dignity -- much of it has. But my feeling is that their lapses do less to define the discourse than POTUS's.
DeleteCI... I don't disagree. In fact conservatives have said that for years. But this discussion was about potential reasons for the El Paso incident.
ReplyDeleteSo, given the fact that the shooter was a Leftist, with a manifesto no less.....you give no weight to the prospect that outspoken demagogues on the Left could have incited him to action?
DeleteWell CI... I'm not determining weight. My question leans to whether it is possible, along with the other motives Silver posited, that Pres. Trump's rhetoric could be a contributing factor to what seems to be a racially motivated attack.
DeleteI see, so you're simply after the outcome that fits your confirmation bias. Cool.
DeleteThe answer to your question is - yes. It is possible. It's the same answer to my question.
I'm with CI all the way on this one.
DeleteDave: Open both eyes.
Ci... yes, the answer is of course yes. The question is how many conservatives, or ppl who lean right, would acknowledge what you just did? That it is indeed possible that Pres Trump's rhetoric played a part.
DeleteSilver wouldn't even include that possibility in his list.
Dave,
DeleteI featured that possibility in the first paragraph. Please go reread. I also invited people like you to substantiate your assertion with facts. So far, you and your confreres have failed. We need facts, not hysterical, panic-induced propaganda regurgitation.
Well Dave, I see that you have some kind of fetish with your "possible" question. Since you seem to have some kind of comprehension problem, let me help you.
DeleteAbove, CI stated, "The answer to your question is - yes. It is possible. It's the same answer to my question." SF, in reply, stated, "I'm with CI all the way on this one."
Therefore, your question was answered even if you cannot accept his answer.
The shooter also might have read one of your comments, somewhere on the Internet, and been driven over the edge. Hey! It's possible.
It's obvious to me that before tan M&Ms were discontinued in 1995 and replaced with blue M&Ms, the frequency of mass shootings in America was much less than one per year.
DeleteIt's the goddamn blue M&Ms I tell ya.
Dave,
ReplyDeleteThe rhetoric on all sides has gotten out of control. Our dialog is hysterical and unhinged, and the press shares a big amount of blame.
If your enemies are KKK white supremacist nazis who hate all "people of color" and are burning up the planet with human-caused global warming, you can justify a wide range of actions against them, can't you?
A nice, short essay on the El Paso murderer and his "manifesto. Here's an excerpt:
ReplyDeleteMr. Trump’s is not the only language echoed in that demented document. Start with the title — “The Inconvenient Truth About Me.” Whose language is echoed there? We do not, even for a second, blame Al Gore or advocates of the Green New Deal. Yet the manifesto veers from complaining about a “Hispanic invasion” to railing about how our modern lifestyle is destroying the environment.
And about “corporations.” No sooner does the manifesto start complaining about the destruction of the environment, than its author turns to blaming “corporations.” He writes like a regular Elizabeth Warren. We don’t blame the senator from Massachusetts, any more than we blame Mr. Gore — or the late Dr. Seuss, whose children’s book on the environment, “The Lorax,” is extolled in the manifesto.
Fact is that Warren has never come close to advocating violence, Trump does regularly.
DeleteThe shooter didn't drive to a predominantly Hispanic town and hoot up the Wal-Mart because of the green new deal.
Trump has contributed to generating hatred toward immigrants which is the reason for the slaughter.
Who made the Devil make you do evil? It's turtles all way down under the elephants holding up the Earth.
DeleteOne day the left may become enlightened enough to believe in personal responsibility. But then they'd stop craving being governed and resist it.
Ducky,
DeleteCan you provide examples of President Trump advocating violence against immigrants or "people of color?"
Point of order. Even if Ducky could provide said examples, it would just cement Trump's place among the Madison Grant / Margaret Sanger / Woodrow Wilson progressive left.
DeleteAfter all, the alt-right" is just recycled progressive leftism.
DeleteDucky, the problem is that your "facts" are fact free, as usual.
DeleteNostradumbass, said:
Delete"Fact is that Warren has never come close to advocating violence...."
Well, she must have said something! You are aware that one of her supporters went on a killing spree last week.
If you need to know the race, religion, or politics of an individual mass shooter so you can smear an entire demographic group with blood libel, you're the problem.
DeleteWrong Dave. You just don't get it. Slobbery name-calling is infantile and all too common in all camps and rarely incites more violence than some keyboard pounding.
ReplyDeleteIf Hitler indeed walks the earth again, it is every good persons duty to kill him and anyone following or abetting him.
Nice try, Dave for trying to have a reasonable discussion here and pointing out that the massive rhetoric promoting racial hatred and violence comes from white supremacists and nationalist and the leader of this country. They use one or two examples of leftists inciters and refuse to see that tRump is the freaking POTUS who has an enormous platform to shut down talk of hatred and revenge on minorities. That guy SF is part of the problem the Repub. party has right now because he refuses to place responsibility where it belongs, and like tRump he engages in Bothsiderism. At this time in our country's history there is no Bothsidersim. The fault lies squarely on tRump and the GOP that continues to support this lying, cheating conman.
ReplyDeleteBut the people here at AOW, are the same Blockhead as those at Lisa's Whose Your Daddy Blog. You can never get through to them.
Who's responsible for the Ohio murderer?
DeleteLets see if your opinion comes from a place of logical coherence.
For bonus points, provide quotes where President Trump has encouraged people to attack immigrants.
while you're at it, can you post that quote where President Trump called nazis "fine people?"
DeleteGeez, Silver, you've been swatting them out of the park.
DeleteThanks Ed. Knowing intellectual heavyweights like you, Farmer, and others have my back gives me confidence.
DeleteIf there is any finger pointing to be done it should be at the Moronic Democrats with their violent speech, and even their actions....At the media...Tune in to CNN for five minutes...Change the channel to MSNBC..Same rhetoric nearly word for word...The big word of the day is always the same word no matter which leftist loon's program is on...Repeated over and over all day...Crazy loons suggesting bodily harm to our president and his followers..Mentally ill people pick up on and act on the media and the leftists lunatics violent speech...The left certainly knows how to influence the unstable to do their bidding
ReplyDeleteMore anti-immigrant "hate, disguised as law and order:
ReplyDelete"We are a nation of laws. Undocumented workers broke our immigration laws, and I believe that they must be held accountable, especially those who may be dangerous. That’s why over the past six years deportations of criminals are up 80 percent, and that’s why we’re going to keep focusing on threats to our security"
The lefty’s have very conveniently forgot that under Obama’s watch there were 24 mass shootings
ReplyDeleteBut..but..but, pointing that out is RACISTTTTT!
DeleteI was just informed that there were actually 32 of them!
ReplyDeleteI get tired of making rational arguments in response to people whose world view twists their ability to correctly interpret source code, but instead make accusations unsupported by facts, or fabricate alternate histories to support their point of view.
ReplyDelete"Trump fosters hate", "Trump is a racist", "Militias were pro-slavery".
One of the clearest explanations of the genesis of a number of the Bill of Rights amendments was the occupation of Boston.
Unfortunately, Boston is occupied again by those who would subvert our rights.
Ed,
DeleteI get tired of making rational arguments in response to people whose world view twists their ability to correctly interpret source code, but instead make accusations unsupported by facts, or fabricate alternate histories to support their point of view.
I hear ya!
I've now banned (walked away from -- or swam away from) all political conversations at the swimming pool where I spend many of my summer days.
Does Mark Zuckerberg own the pool?
DeleteIt's pretty clear across the board, that the gun control movement is a sham. A charade. Oh, to be sure, they want control.....and they want Citizens disarmed. They just want it magically to happen.
ReplyDeleteThey propose a variety of infringements on a Constitutional Right, but can't be bothered with the work of definitions and metrics. The very underpinnings of legislation. Because....they would then have to defend their effort.
The full push, is for talking points, political scores and blaming the opposition. But ultimately, they...like children......just want to doooooo something!!!!
I welcome them to try and repeal the 2A....they wouldn't have the first clue of what they're getting into. It'll be fun!
More to add to the madness:
ReplyDeleteRep. Joaquin Castro tweets names, employers of Trump donors in San Antonio!
According to the Federalist:
On Tuesday, Democratic Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro, who chairs the presidential campaign of his twin brother Julian, tweeted the names and employers of more than 40 San Antonians who maxed out their donations to President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign.
Mind you, the federal maximum is $2,800 per individual, so we’re not talking about nefarious millionaires and billionaires or political activists or public figures....
The democrats have been sitting in their High and Might chairs and telling the country all those Cockamamie lies, and Fairy-Tales about president Trump’s blatant racism, sexism, caging children, etc. but they NEVER criticize Elizabeth Warren. Or Corry Booker who’s lies are bigger than Mount Rushmore.
ReplyDeleteNot One Democrat has denounced Antifa’s violence and rhetoric. These are the same people who demand Trump denounce White Supremacists (which he has repeatedly done) are silent regarding the left!
Sure, the Mass Shootings is a problem, as we just witnessed in El Paso Texas, but Antifa is also a problem, as witnessed in Dayton, Ohio. We also have other problems: homelessness, the opioid crisis, immigration. But there’s NO reason to create new problems as the left is doing today, it's going to be White Supremacy from here to election day, 24/7. It's fakery, smokescreen, squirrel! But what else can they do? They're losing. They have nothing else! They have to run with what they've got.
And that’s exactly Elizabeth Warren’s new Schick!~
The left has been pushing the White Supremacist idea since day one.
I supported, and voted for Trump in the last election, and I will support him, and vote for him again in 2020. . And so did my Wife. And many of my friends/
And there is Not a Single White Supremacist in MY entire family. Or in my circle of friends. . In fact, nobody in my family has any problem with race.
When the Left attempts to make all Trump voters into White Supremacists they're going to alienate a lot more people than they attract. Believe that. Just like when Hillary called us “Deplorable’s.
It is beyond idiocy.
I read that one MSNBC host said that she believes that Donald Trump wants to "exterminate Latino’s in America"... to which she was made to Apologize, but she wasn’t fired, WHY NOT? Are news people going to make up lies and brocast them now?
The Dayton shooter was Antifa supporter, or Member.... The shooter that shot Steve Scalise at that Baseball game was an avid Leftist.
The Gilroy Garlic Festival shooter was 1/2 Italian and 1/2 Iranian. His target list reportedly was religious institutions.
So stop the lying nonsense that these shooters are all Trump supporters, they are NOT!
Not to mention all these shooters were motivated by environmentalism (overpopulation), Leftist sacred cows.
DeleteThe light bulb came on last night: The rabid left will always perpetrate revenge.
ReplyDeleteWe excoriated President Obama for his irresponsible and deadly anti-police rhetoric that resulted in a spate of cop killings, so the unhinged left is accusing President Trump doing the same thing, only against "people of color."
The Leftist idiocy on that line still makes me giggle. We're ALL people of one color or another.
DeleteFurther, we can now all "identify" as whatever color we wish....
The AOW crowd has made a decision to abstain from any reason that might include criticism of DJT. I wasn't accusatory at all, in fact I basically just asked a pointed question. The type that got me booted from the Mother Ship.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that it took even CI, a strong libertarian, 4 responses to say yes, it was a possibility that DJT influenced the El Paso killer, shows where that crowd is.
They have no solutions to mass killings. And they are unable to think critically about it because doing so would lead to answers they will not like.
Why do basically identical European/White people groups around the world not have these same mass shootings on the same per capita scale? Why do similar people, such as Canada, not have them? If the reason is mental illness, are conservatives ready and willing to pay for the costs to save lives? Or are they, as one person at AOW said, willing to essentially write the deaths off because "freedom is costly?"
The only difference between the great majority of White US citizens in the US who perpetrate these crimes and White European folks elsewhere who don't is access to guns.
If you think that my successful effort to draw out your hypocrisy, was some defense of Trump....you're new around here.
DeleteThanks for playing.
If you have never read me saying I don't like President Trump's tone and rhetoric, you haven't been paying attention.
DeleteI have also categorically stated I am against the heckler's/lunatic's veto. I do not blame Bernie Sanders for Rep Scalise's shooting or for that racist attack on the train in Portland (both carried out by Bernie supporters).
Liberalism cannot stop the shootings
ReplyDeleteThe United States has been a country with easy availability of firearms for a very long time, yet these spree shootings are a rather new phenomenon. Gun violence has actually decreased over the last quarter century. Despite the media attention lavished on mass shootings involving rifles, most firearm homicides are perpetrated with handguns.
High-powered rifles and high capacity magazines were commercially available before the mass shootings became commonplace.
So, what are the reasons behind mass shootings?
...easy availability of firearms...
DeleteOf course, we know that this is a canard. No other Constitutional right requires such an onerous financial and laborious imposition, as the 2A. If it's so easy....then we should institute it for the 1A as well, no?
We also know that most AR/AK pattern rifles are not anywhere close to "high powered" when compared to the average hunting rifle that the Fudds and the gun control camp claims is all we need.
The 100rd drum was indeed "high capacity".....but not so for the standard 30rd magazine that these rifles were designed with.
Thank you for highlighting some of the many perfidious falsehoods used as currency by the Left.
We need to impeach the fully retarded leftist Trump for floating the idea of confiscating guns without due process / with "faster" due process (i.e. presuming a gun owner's guilt before a crime is even committed)
DeleteTrump also again espoused legislating background checks "like we've never seen before". My Trump decoder ring seems to be broken, but I'm assuming he means the unenforceable 'universal background checks'.
DeleteIt's worse than that. Trump unwittingly wants to increase the number of "swatting" pranks, which will be the net result of these "red flag" proposals. You'd be one asshole neighbor or jilted lover's false police report away from having your home getting a Janet Reno style Waco barbecue.
DeleteEveryone considering red flag legislation ought to be forced to dig a ditch and then get machine gunned into it.
Due Process is one of the easier Rights for the sheep to surrender.....
Deleteat least he snot Hillary
DeleteHe's worse.
"I like taking the guns early......." - Donald J. Trump
DeleteQuick! Rave about how he really stuck it to Rosie O'Donnell before you upset the people who actually voted for that retard.
DeleteBeamish,
DeleteYou'd be one asshole neighbor or jilted lover's false police report away from having your home getting a Janet Reno style Waco barbecue.
And that's a valid concern about this red-flag proposal, IMO.
That Trump hasn't already been dragged out of the White House down Pennsylvania Avenue on a tow chain behind a monster truck with a Molon Labe sticker really disappoints me.
DeleteBEAMISH: That there sounds like just the job for you, big man! Why don't you get on over there and show us how it's done, or are you just all blow and no go?
DeleteI don't have a monster truck. Guess I'll have to just laughs in Trump dying in prison like everyone else.
DeleteHey there boy. You might want to try English next time.
DeleteJust what we thought, all blow and no show. Keep saying funny things! Since you can't actually accomplish anything.
Well it isn't much of an accomplishment to get you to wail like a sissy everytime Trump is insulted. How many lights are you burning in that gay stalker shrine to Trump anyway? Should I invest in a candle company?
DeleteKeep your homosexual fantasies to yourself, boy.
DeleteI remember a time when some believed that "the Brady Law" was going to be "the salvation" from all gun violence. Introduced into the House by Chuckie Schumer and endorsed by Ronald Reagan himself.
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