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Wednesday, August 21, 2019

"Gender Wars" And The Choir

Insanity is everywhere!

Even in the highbrow music world.

From 9-year-old girl sues German boys choir over gender bias (dated August 10, 2019, emphases mine):
BERLIN (AP) — A 9-year-old girl is suing a centuries-old Berlin boys choir, arguing that her bid to join was only rejected because of her gender, in a case that has sparked debate over equal rights versus artistic freedom.

The State and Cathedral Choir is one of the most renowned boys choirs in Germany, founded in 1465 by Fredrick II of Brandenburg. Over its 554 years, it has never admitted any girls.

The choir contends the girl’s rejection was “not predominantly about her gender” and she would have been asked to join if she had displayed extraordinary talent and motivation and “if her voice had matched the desired sound characteristics of a boys choir,” the court said.

The choir also expressed doubt it would have been able to work with the girl’s parents....


...The case has elicited strong feelings, with many weighing in on the side of the choir, arguing that it’s less about talent than about tone, and that mixing the choir would bring an end to a traditional sound.

Writing for the influential Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper, society columnist Hannah Bethke said “nobody has said girls can’t sing as well.”

“But the timbre is different, and judging that should be left to the musicians and the musicologists,” she wrote this week. “Anyone who wants to enforce a misunderstood gender equality here sacrifices a cultural asset.”...

Read the rest HERE.

That this case even had to go to court is insanity. 

Victory!  The court ruled in the choir's favor.   For now, anyway.

Sample of the pristine sound of the Berlin State and Cathedral Choir:

The Berlin State and Cathedral Choir's YouTube channel is HERE.  Enjoy!


  1. What happens when the tranny's make their move? Apparently now there are no subjects that cannot be challenged....

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    2. There are many gay choirs, very good ones....I'd feel awkward to be in one ...well, not only because I'm straight! but because I'd want to be known for my VOICE, not my GAY VOICE. What the far lefties don't get is what they're doing, not those hoping to sing with similar voices, is divisive.

    3. I believe the lawyers dream this **** up to provide them with revenue whenever some mental case gets triggered.

    4. Who won in the Masterpiece Bakery cases? The Baker? No.
      The homosexuals? No.

      The lawyers won.

    5. Z,
      What gets me with this case is that putting a girl into that boys' choir ruins the texture of the sound. The Berlin State and Cathedral Choir isn't a church choir, where all are typically allowed to join.

    6. Kid, you nailed it again!

      The Lawyer Syndicate is bleeding us, in many, many ways.

    7. Very weird. I've lived a few years and have never heard of a gay choir. I mean besides the Village People.

    8. Mustang,
      Several major cities here in the United States have at least one "gay man's chorus." Here in the D.C. area, the Gay Men's Chorus is in its 38th season. I've not attended a concert wherein this chorus performed.

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    10. Kid,
      About the Oberlin College bakery case:

      Oberlin College Seeks New Trial in Gibson’s Bakery Case.

      On and on it goes -- with lawyers lining their pockets.

    11. I meant this as a response to Kid, an should ave said so:

      Two men are fighting over the ownership[ of a cow. One is pulling at the head, the other at the tail.

      The two opposing lawyers are sitting on opposite sides under the cow MILKING it.

      THAT's the way "The Law" works. It's a sweet little racket, and that's ALL it is. There ain't no doubt about it.

    12. By the way I think there's a Gay Men's Chorus –– they call themselves CHORUSES not CHOIRS –– in every major city in the land. Like any other singng group involving amateurs these organizations are only as good as the quality of talent available in their given areas, and of course, the CONDUCTOR usully makes or breaks performances.

      I remember from my days as New Yorker that the Gay Men's Chorus THERE gave excellent concerts well worth hearing as a MUSICAL experience and certainly not as s FREAk show of any kind.

      Their purpose has always been to xperience the joy of making MUSIC together. Thier SEXUALITY has nothing to do with it, although I imagine that making a public display of excellence AS a group of homosexual men must be important to them in a society that STILL tends to regard these people as frivolous FRINGE characters whose lives are largely wasted in pursuit of perverted pastimes.

      I have never heard of a LESBIAN CHORUS or a singing group comosed of BOTH gay men AND women, although I'm sure a few must exist somewhere.

      The great irony in this phenomenon is that SEX per se has absolutely NOTHING to DO with making MUSIC on a high level.

      I think it's probably important to the guys involved to "show the world" that SEX is not ALL they are about.

      I respect that need. Like all the rest of us these people are HUMAN BEINGS first and foremost. And most function honorably and competently –– unnoticed and undetected –– in mainsream society.

      The ones who make a holy show of themselves I suspect are regarded as an EMBARRASSMENT by the majority of gay people who lead productive, often distinguished, lives.

  2. Why can't the far Left, which promotes this crap, understand that ALL BOYS is a beautiful thing. ALL GIRLS is a beautiful thing, not some ridiculous non inclusive PLOT! And, if they WANT to sing together, let them. But let me hear ALL BOYS....it's gorgeous!

    1. I don't mean too much to go after the 'far Left' because I like to think music isn't political but it's the conclusions that group draws at every chance they get which is silly and damaging...got to admit that, don't they?

    2. Are you kidding? EVERYTHING is political.

    3. Jayhawk,
      Sure is! Shouldn't be, though.

    4. Hi,Z! What most of these accursed "ACTIVISTS" on the Left don't understand –– and don't WANT to understand –– is that serving the highest possible standards in Art, Music, Literature –– or ANY occupation or profession –– CAN, MUST and SHOULD transcend any of the irksome, tempestuous GARBAGE that goes along with verminous matter of so-called "IDENTITY POLITICS.

      People who make a CAREER of AGITATING or RABBLE-ROUSING, as it used to be called, are guilty of a grievous offense against GOD.

      The Holy Bible in Proverbs 11:29 says,

      HE who TROUBLETH his OWN HOUSE shall iNHERIT the WIND."

    5. It's actually better in some instances, classrooms especially, to segregate the sexes.
      The focus is better retained.

  3. Girls get to join the Boy Scouts, but boys don't get to join the Girl Scouts. Of course, boys have better sense than to want to join the Girl Scouts, but why aren't they allowed to?

    Which raises the question, when do we hear about a lawsuit from a boy wanting to join the girls choir?

  4. "A nine-year old girl is suing ..." sounds more like "parents, seeking to increase their personal wealth." This issue is not worth one minute of a jurist's time.

  5. Mustang +1. It's not about 'gender' but sex. They're boys, you're not. Suck it up girlie (AND Ihre Eltern).

    1. You're so right, Baysider! The word "GENDER" used to apply primarily to matters of GRAMMAR –– i.e. in FRENCH nouns are either masuline or feminine. The same s true, I imagine, in Spanish and Italian, althugh I can't claim to knw those languages very well.

      In German nouns are given THREE genders –– masculine, feminine and neutral or neuter - Der, Die, Das.

      There is NO consistency aming the languages as to which is which.

      For instance

      TABLE in German is der Tisch, and is referred to has "him."

      TABLE in French is la table and is referred to as "her"

      Ironically in German the word for MAIDEN or YOUNG GIRL is "das Maedchen" thereby identifying the poor girl as an IT.

      There's no logical explanation for any of this. It simply IS what it IS and must be learned by ROTE.

      Mark Twain wrote a winderfully funny essay called The Awful German Language in which he writes in ENGLISH using the GERMAN rules of grammar. It's readily available on the net. Do look it up if you can find time to enjoy a few good laughs.

      We DO have "genders" in English too, but their use is more subtle. For instance it's proper to refer to ships, the Church –– and our country –– as "SHE"

  6. There is only ONE word that adequately describes ALL dliberately "troublemaking" non-issues of this kind and and the agitators who raise them:

    It contains only four letters, and it begins with an S and ends with a T.


  7. TJe boy choir does sound beautiful, but I wish their director would work towards prducing more FLOW in the phrasing. Not the boys' fault but that of the CONDUCTOR. The rhythm feels too static as it seesaws back and forth, but never seems to move forward. Each successive phrase sound sound as though it grow out of the preceding one.

    Music at ts best is as much about MOTION and building a series of CLIMAXES as it is about melody, harmony, rhythm and dynamics.

  8. Beamish the Thought CriminalAugust 23, 2019 at 1:49:00 PM EDT

    Since Donald Trump recently appointed himself the "second coming of God," we theomorphically-challenged need to afford safe space to these alternative self-views from others and not be be so quick to dismiss them as delusional.

  9. Amazingly, it sounds like some of the things you've said, -over the years- so you go first.

  10. That's the spirit! Miss the point to embrace our Orange Lord!

  11. I'm sorry I missed your point.
    Are you saying that both of you can't be Jesus or are you claiming to be the Holy Spirit?
    I'm not claiming Trump as my God, I'm supporting him because he fights back unlike the limp wristed Republicans that rather go along to get along.
    He may be an asshole but he's my kind of asshole!
    Of course you may support any fake Libertarian or Progressive you wish.
    Frankly your daily 3 minute Trump hate is getting boring.

  12. A mind is a terrible thing never to have had.

    1. Also it's wise to remember that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

      Without a good, strong, healthy fund of genuine knowledge it's almost imossible to develop a proper sense of PERSPECTIVE.

      This USED to be the purpose and stated aim of EDUCATION. Unfortunately that is no longer the case –– and has NOT been for several decades. Real educatiin hardly exists anymore. It has been supplnted by progandistic, agenda-driven INDOCTRINATION.

      One need look no farther for proof of that than to observe the lamentable state of society today. The popular culture is nearly ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT GARBAGE, and the worst thing about it is that fewer and fewer people are even fairly AARE that this is so.

      ur "GATEKEEPERS" have FAILED MISERABLY to perform their appointed task.

  13. Well I figured after Trump started saluting North Korean generals he'd eventually make a play for godhood like Kim Jong Un. I don't begrudge him his deep-seated hatred of America either. Leftists gonna lefty.

    I'm just pointing out that Trump's fabulous coming out of the closet to tweetstorm his own godhood is a bit more off bubble than telling a kid she can't sing worth a damn.

    1. "I don't begrudge him his deep-seated hatred of America either."
      Yeah. It's so evident, isn't it?
      Especially that part where he hugs the flag.
      Or stands up for it on the international stage.
      He's so crafty.

    2. ROFLMAO!

      Meanwhile those of us not high on Trumpcrack realize it hasn't even been 4 months since the Mexican Army entered Texas and detained American soldiers at gunpoint.

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  16. I honestly hate to say it, but it's not going to stop peacefully. The leftists won't stop their utter nonsense until we're a disarmed socialist shithole. It will have to be stopped via an internal conflict. It's going to the catastrophic loss of lives, of property and infrastructure that will come with a massive modern civil war. The left are seeking to end our way of life in America make no mistake about it. We're going to have to fight to keep it or reach some comprise where we literally divide the country in half or thirds and create new separate nations. Personally, I'd rather fight to keep us whole.


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