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Monday, June 5, 2017

The Ugly Reality

Posted by the Voice of Europe in the wake of the June 3, 2017 jihad attacks at London Bridge and the nearby Borough Market:

This is the third terror attack in the UK since March:
On 22 May, 22 people were killed and 116 injured in a suicide bombing at Manchester Arena.

On 22 March, six people died, including the attacker, and at least 50 people were injured in an attack near the Houses of Parliament.
Read the rest at Zero Hedge's "This Is For Allah" - Seven Killed In London Terrorist Rampage; Three Assailants Shot.

The complete text of Prime Minister Theresa May's speech below the fold. If you watching instead of reading, there is also a video of the full speech below the fold.  I will leave it to commenters to parse the speech.
Last night, our country fell victim to a brutal terrorist attack once again.

As a result I have just chaired a meeting of the Government's emergency committee, and I want to update you with the latest information about the attack.

Shortly before 10 past 10 yesterday evening, the Metropolitan Police received reports that a white van had struck pedestrians on London Bridge.

It continued to drive from London Bridge to Borough Market, where three terrorists left the van and attacked innocent and unarmed civilians with blades and knives.

All three were wearing what appeared to be explosive vests, but the police have established that this clothing was fake and worn only to spread panic and fear.

As so often in such serious situations, the police responded with great courage and great speed. Armed offices from the Metropolitan Police and the City of London Police arrived at Borough Market within moments and shot and killed the three suspects.

The terrorists were confronted and shot by armed officers within eight minutes of the police receiving the first emergency call.

Seven people have died as a result of the attack, in addition to the three suspects shot dead by the police. Forty-eight people are being treated in several hospitals across London.

Many have life-threatening conditions.

On behalf of the people of London and on behalf of the whole country, I want to thank and pay tribute to the professionalism and bravery of the police and the emergency services, and the courage of members of the public who defended themselves and others from the attackers.

And our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and with their friends, families and loved ones.

This is, as we all know, the third terrorist attack Britain has experienced in the last three months. In March a similar attack took place just around the corner on Westminster Bridge.

Two weeks ago the Manchester Arena was attacked by a suicide bomber and now London has been struck once more.

And at the same time the security and intelligence agencies and police have disrupted five credible plots since the Westminster attack in March.

In terms of their planning and execution, the recent attacks are not connected but we believe we are experiencing a new trend in the threat we face.

As terrorism breeds terrorism and perpetrators are inspired to attack, not only on the basis of carefully constructed plots after years of planning and training, and not even as lone attackers radicalised online, but by copying one another and often using the crudest of means of attack.

We cannot and must not pretend that things can continue as they are. Things need to change and they need to change in four important ways.

First, while the recent attacks are not connected by common networks, they are connected in one important sense. They are bound together by the single evil ideology of Islamist extremism that preaches hatred, sows division and promotes sectarianism.

It is an ideology that claims our Western values of freedom, democracy and human rights are incompatible with the religion of Islam. It is an ideology that is a perversion of Islam and a perversion of the truth.

Defeating this ideology is one of the great challenges of our time, but it cannot be defeated by military intervention alone.

It will not be defeated by the maintenance of a permanent defensive counter-terrorism operation, however skillful its leaders and practitioners.

It will only be defeated when we turn people's minds away from this violence and make them understand that our values - pluralistic British values - are superior to anything offered by the preachers and supporters of hate.

Second, we cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed.

Yet that is precisely what the internet, and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide.

We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and terrorism planning.

And we need to do everything we can at home to reduce the risks of extremism online.

Third, while we need to deprive the extremists of their safe spaces online, we must not forget about the safe spaces that continue to exist in the real world.

Yes, that means taking military action to destroy Isis in Iraq and Syria. But it also means taking action here at home.

While we have made significant progress in recent years, there is - to be frank - far too much tolerance of extremism in our country.

So we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out across the public sector and across society.

That will require some difficult, and often embarrassing, conversations.

But the whole of our country needs to come together to take on this extremism, and we need to live our lives not in a series of separated, segregated communities, but as one truly United Kingdom.

Fourth, we have a robust counter-terrorism strategy, that has proved successful over many years.

But as the nature of the threat we face becomes more complex, more fragmented, more hidden, especially online, the strategy needs to keep up.

So in light of what we are learning about the changing threat, we need to review Britain's counter-terrorism strategy to make sure the police and security services have all the powers they need.

And if we need to increase the length of custodial sentences for terrorist-related offences - even apparently less serious offences - that is what we will do.

Since the emergence of the threat from Islamist-inspired terrorism, our country has made significant progress in disrupting plots and protecting the public.

But it is time to say `Enough is enough'.

Everybody needs to go about their lives as they normally would. Our society should continue to function in accordance with our values.

But when it comes to taking on extremism and terrorism, things need to change.

As a mark of respect, two political parties have suspended our national campaigns for today. But violence can never be allowed to disrupt the democratic process, so those campaigns will resume in full tomorrow and the General Election will go ahead as planned on Thursday.

As a country, our response must be as it has always been when we have been confronted by violence.

We must come together, we must pull together, and united we will take on and defeat our enemies.

Right now, World War M is raging across the pond.

And World War M is headed America's way. Disbelieve that statement to your own peril.

Related reading, from The Last English Prince, June 4, 2017: Terrorists and their Colleagues.

Related reading, from Vanity Fair in 2007: Londonistan Calling by Christopher Hitchens.

For longer related reading, please see Londonistan: How Britain Is Creating a Terror State Within by Melanie Phillips. This book was first published in 2006.


  1. ISLAM is a CANCER.

    Like any form of the dread disease it must be treated with AGGRESSIVE ATTACKS








Anyone who does not believe this is an IMBECILE.

CANCER cannot be dealt with DIPLOMATICALLY.


    The morons who do not believe this, and would self-righteously defend the indefensible sit IMMERSED, HAMSTRUNG, and DROWNING in MYRIAD bits of DATA, as always, instead of getting to the ROOT, DIGGING it OUT, and BURN ING it.


Any attempt to be "REASONABLE" about the dire THREAT ISLAM poses to DECENT PEOPLE everywhere in the WORLD is a complete WASTE of TIME and ENERGY.


When it is clearly a KILL or BE KILLED situation, only a FOOL would FAIL to mount as strong and vicious a COUNTERATTACK as may be mustered.


If the WEST is to SURVIVE, __ I-S-L-A-M __ M-U-S-T __ D-I-E.

    And the mush-brained APOLOGISTS for ISLAM must be OSTRACIZED and EXILED.


    1. and you the flaming boil on buttocks!


    There is only ONE sensible solution to ALL forms of Islamic Aggression. and that is a UTILITARIAN solution –– a FINAL Solution:




    Those who would be kind to the cruel are certain to be cruel to the kind."

    "Those who expect to reap the blessing of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."

    ~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809)


    However illegal, impolitic, inadvisable, unconstitutional, un-American, immoral or impracticable others claim it to be we should maintain a position of absolute intolerance for a Muslim Presence in OUR world.

    When the Handwriting on the Wall sends a clear, uncompromising message, and STILL we fail to heed its stern warning, we DESERVE to be ECLIPSED.

    FACE IT: Either it's DIDADIN or BE DAMNED.

    Don't like it? Then YOU deserve to DIE, and DIE you WILL sooner or later if this keeps up.

  3. "Armed offices from the Metropolitan Police and the City of London Police arrived at Borough Market within moments"
    I have an idea.
    How about an armed citizenry that could protect itself and others?
    Also, the talk about regulating the internet?
    Why drive them further underground at the expense of citizens (oh, that's right, they are subjects) rights to free speech and assembly?

    1. It would safer, saner, and MUCH simpler, Ed, if the West DEPORTED the whole lot of them.

      And no I do NOT care whether they were born in a Western country or not. Anyone who identifies as a Muslim –– no tter how "nice" they may seem on the surface –– should be stripped his or her rights, deprived of his citizenship, and DEPORTED. PERIOD!

      We don't let lions, tigers, bears, wild boars, poisonous snakes, alligators, crocodiles, and monitor lizards roam free in our streets, do we?

      The adherent to this BASTARD religion are no better than feral beasts, and may in fact be far WORSE.

      Nevertheless, I do not favor EXTERMINATION, only DEPORTATION.

    2. How about an armed citizenry that could protect itself and others?

      Exactly. As I posted at Z's yesterday - Work to have Constitutional Carry pass in all 50 states and the territories, and add State grants to the Federal budget, to fund free firearm safety and defensive pistol marksmanship training to all adult, law abiding citizens who wish to carry.

      Above all, stop the goddamn fear mongering over a hazard that pales in comparison to nearly any other hazard that kills American citizens. Britain is a virtual police state with no civil liberties, and they can’t seem to stop these events. Ripping up our Constitution will not bring us safety.

      - CI

    3. You might feel differently if you were to get YOUR throat cut in a random act of insanity. But then again, maybe you wouldn't –– so stiff-necked and hidebound are you to your rigid, unimaginatve, legalistic notions of "propriety."

      You've always struck me as the type who would gladly turn his own son or daughter into the IRS, and help speed them into prison, if you found they'd been cheating on their income tax.

      It gives me cause to rejoice each day secure in the knowledge that I am not you.

    4. Baaa.....Baaa....

      You've always struck me as someone who hasn't taken their meds. Piss off sheep.

      - CI

    5. CI,
      Please avoid ad hominem attacks. Thank you.

    6. Perhaps FT should do likewise, no? My comments did not solicit his verbal vomit.

      - CI

    7. FT,
      You might be interested in the rant posted by Bocopro at Z's site...

      bocopro says:
      June 4, 2017 at 5:22 am

      My daily rant:

      Modern terrorism as we know it began in what is falsely called Palestine. A group of people calling themselves Palestinians, but really nothing more than Arabs from Egypt and other nearby countries, invented it, perfected it, and exported it in their tantrum against the establishment of a Jewish state in a region from which Hebrews had been evicted many times over millennia.

      (continued below)

    8. (continued from above)

      Some time back I researched the history of Palestine. If I remember correctly, in the area now known as Israel, fewer than a million Muslim Arabs lived there before WWII. Except for Jerusalem, the region was basically a thinly populated wasteland.

      Whether the establishment of a Jewish state in the center of several Muslim nations was a good idea or not isn’t the point. It wasn’t; but it’s a fait accompli which the world must deal with. Tens of millions of Muslims strongly disapproved of large numbers of European Jews subsidized by American money being plopped down in their midst. Hence the outrage.

      Now, until that tantrum, that lunacy, that hatred is eliminated, terrorism will continue to exist and prosper in the Middle East. And until acts of mayhem and murder by terrorists are no longer sensationalized by the western media, the global popularity of jihad against the Great Satan and his minions will remain high.

      Terrorism is the AIDS, the cancer, the plague of politics. It is dismal, viral, brutal, lethal, and global. It cannot be analyzed in any light other than national and cultural survival. It has no relationship with anything other than a corrupt perspective of an outdated cult whose goal is not a better world for everyone but an insect-like hive of mindless drones for the entire planet, their butts in the air, howling at their moon god.

      There is no such thing as neutrality where terrorism is concerned. Those who ignore terrorism and especially those who support or enable it, whether through belief or ignorance, are terrorists by default. Most Muslims are not interested in cutting off the heads of infidels, raping young girls, stoning women for refusing to wear shrouds, but they are very slow to condemn the radical Muslims who do it for them and in their name.

      We in the West are vulnerable to a wide variety of attacks, not just bombings. It’s only a matter of time until terrorists develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons which can decimate large populations and destroy entire cities.

      There is no negotiating with terrorists. Democracy is not a cure or even a viable weapon against terrorism. And for those who believe that responding to terror with force only spawns more terrorists, how has appeasing them worked out so far?

      Political correctness and understanding are just gasoline on the fire, since the only thing radicals understand and fear is strength. They take negotiation and “understanding” as weakness and an invitation to conquest.

      Limiting or suspending our civil and human rights to protect ourselves against suicidal lunatics who should never have been allowed in the country in the first place simply means that the terrorists have won. Don’t believe that? Just take a moment and check with Britain or Germany.

      Only eradication of the source will work, and mosques are unquestionably the incubators of radicalism. Since the “moderate” Muslims obviously have no interest in reforming Islam to disempower the radicals, the entire contaminated system must be eliminated.

      Islam is totally incompatible with American tradition, American values, American law, and American freedom. The name itself means “submission.” Muslims will never assimilate into the American culture, and they will forever consider Christians unclean infidels, no matter what they might say in public on the issue. Taqiya allows them to lie, cheat, or even deny their own faith to avoid persecution and ultimately overcome the infidel.

      Islam is a cancer which can either remain benign while growing in size or metastasize rapidly to overwhelm the body’s ability to resist and recuperate. It MUST be excised, quickly and completely, if the United States is to survive as a nation with continued technological growth and individual freedom.

      Islam = stagnation . . . and submission . . . and death.

    9. CI,
      Perhaps FT should do likewise, no? My comments did not solicit his verbal vomit.

      I just now saw the comment to which I think you refer (I slept in this morning for a change -- no pain).

      FT, please do not fire up a blog feud in this thread. You and CI will never see eye to eye, you know.

    10. I wonder if bocopro ever heard of the Irgun ?

      Colossally short sighted history of terrorism.

      He may also be interested in knowing that Islam has gone through periods of enlightenment and learned from the west in its history.
      It's a complicated history.

      I'd also say that the asinine invasion of Iraq had more to do with the problem of contemporary terrorism than Israel does (a nation with a lengthy history of Jewish terrorism).

      So we just continue to ally with Saudi Arabia/Israel and the wars drag on.

    11. Duck,
      Unfortunately, Bocopro doesn't frequent this blog, so you can't debate with him.

      PS: Don't whine about Z's blog. Thank you.

    12. Duck,
      So we just continue to ally with Saudi Arabia/Israel

      Don't you find it interesting that Saudi and Israel are now coming to some kind of understanding?

    13. So we just continue to ally with Saudi Arabia/Israel and the wars drag on.

      I have to say it's a rare time that I agree with Ducky, but I do here.

      And what a terrible web we weave when we practice to deceive.

    14. AOW, any chance that in realty we were led to believe that the conflict perceived may have been manufactured for public consumption by useless press whores?

      I see nothing in the primitive culture of Saudi Arabia worth emulating. maybe we're just being "conditioned" by the media for a new reality. Our new new Wahhabist empire of globalism waiting to greet us, I guess.

    15. AOW, Saudi Arabia and Israel have been cooperating against Iran for some time.

    16. Waylon,
      any chance that in realty we were led to believe that the conflict perceived may have been manufactured for public consumption by useless press whores?

      Are you referring to the conflict(s) in the Middle East?

    17. Duck,
      Saudi Arabia and Israel have been cooperating against Iran for some time.


      ...In the past few decades, the Saudi regime has spent an estimated $100 billion exporting its extremist interpretation of Islam worldwide. It infuses its fundamentalist ideology in the ostensible charity work it performs, often targeting poor Muslim communities in countries like Pakistan or places like refugee camps, where uneducated, indigent, oppressed people are more susceptible to it.

      Whether elements within Saudi Arabia support ISIS is contested. Even if Saudi Arabia does not directly support or fund ISIS, however, Saudi Arabia gives legitimacy to the extremist ideology ISIS preaches.

      What is not contested, on the other hand, is that Saudi elites in the business community and even segments of the royal family support extremist groups like al-Qaida. U.S. government cables leaked by WikiLeaks admit “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.”...

      Trust me. You'll love the article.

    18. Waylon,
      So we just continue to ally with Saudi Arabia/Israel and the wars drag on.

      There are no good actors in the Middle East.

      George Washington spoke of being wary of foreign entanglements.

    19. AOW, specifically I was thinking about the Syrian crisis, How we have been conditioned to believe that Syria has become an immediate danger to the Middle East and the rest of the world. It's always claimed that some repulsive act by Syria using "barrel bombs" and "chemical weapons" against its own citizens—charges that were both found to be wrong.

      The West is arming the "rebels" and these "rebels" turn out to be the very terrorists that have been declared our enemy. They end up well armed and become part of the bigger problem.

      Supporting the so-called rebels in Syria looks like a circular firing squad to me.

    20. AOW, that was an excellent and insightful article linked here from Salon about Saudi Arabia and its relationship with Washington.

      That Wahhabist Islam that is manufactured in Saudi Arabia and exported around the world from there is a problem is right. And it's also at the root of the problem with Islamic terrorism arriving here in the West.

      And now we have a new "ally" in a war against this scourge? I don't think so.

    21. Waylon,
      I've never believed that Saudi is our true ally. The same goes for Pakistan and any other players.

      That said, it will be interesting to see what Trump's move toward Saudi yields. I have to wonder about behind-the-door deals.

      BTW, I absolutely agree with you about Wahhabism and Saudi. Since the early 1990s (at least), those Wahhabist imams have been exported to the United State and many other Western states.

      Saudi's pockets are now not as deep as they were in the 1990's.

      We live in in interesting times!

    22. Waylon,
      Doesn't Syria often act as Iran's proxy?

      If so, then I see Syria as a destabilizing force in the Levant.

      I agree with this portion of your comment:

      The West is arming the "rebels" and these "rebels" turn out to be the very terrorists that have been declared our enemy. They end up well armed and become part of the bigger problem.

      Supporting the so-called rebels in Syria looks like a circular firing squad to me.

      Unseating Assad will bring what, exactly? That's a question which has been on my mind ever since I heard various politicos say, "We have to get rid of Assad."

    23. Doesn't Syria often act as Iran's proxy?

      AOW, I don't know the answer to that. If it comes from our media then I'd guess it would be the line used in a propaganda campaign to advance their hearts desire to depose Assad.

      Maybe a better time to be Iran's proxy would have been when the US deposed the Shah after appointing him earlier. If Iran is as fanatical as it is portrayed then we need lots more information on Iran. If not, we need more information on the source of this thinking.

      Why would a nation voluntarily step back into a primitive ancient past?

      And wasn't Iran included in the famous list to remove five Arab countries in seven years "starting with Iraq"?

    24. Waylon,
      Why would a nation voluntarily step back into a primitive ancient past?

      Theology. Eyes on eternity and all that.

      And wasn't Iran included in the famous list to remove five Arab countries in seven years "starting with Iraq"?

      List? I must be dense or something, but I can't think of which list you mean.

    25. Syria act/acted as a permissive transit corridor for Iran to funnel lethal aid the Lebanese Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Golan area, as well as the ports on the Mediterranean coast.

  4. Sadly, the events we see in places such as London, will only serve to empower the sheep among us, to usher in a police state, and symbolically defecate on the Constitution. Then, some years in the future, when civil liberties are but a quaint memory…those same sheep will wonder how we got here.

    - CI

    1. CI,
      A viable concern! I share that same concern, although I haven't yet written about it.

      One problem, of course, is that there are so many on the so-called watch lists that law enforcement cannot be effective -- especially in a politically correct atmosphere. "See something, say something" doesn't work because the person reporting something suspicious is often labeled an Islamophobe or a racist. I speak from personal experience about the time I reported something back in 2006. To my knowledge, the individual I reported is still spouting jihad rhetoric: Dr. Julio Pino, who finally made the news in January 2016. Ten years later!

  5. "See something, say something" doesn't work because the person reporting something suspicious is often labeled an Islamophobe or a racist.

    I'm not sure what the concern is here.....who would be labeling someone as that? Your name doesn't get published in the hometown paper or anything....

    - CI

    1. CI,
      The labeling isn't official. It's the deprecating and cynical attitude of the agent(s) to whom I reported something about which I was concerned. "Why are you so interested in Dr. Pino?"

  6. "Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice."


    Now, put that in your pipe and smoke, while you still have a head in which to stick a pipe.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures, and anyone who doesn't think so is a dunderhead.


  7. Tears, teddy bears, candles... "London Strong" We won't let them win... Don't let hate win...

    We're all (Fill in the Blank) now...

    1. Obviously MOAB's and Tomahawk missiles are the way to go.

      Frankly, demonstrating that we will maintain our values is a better response than our impotent militarism (but it's good for the economy).

    2. SF,
      We're all dhimmified navel gazers now...

  8. SF sums it up perfectly In my mind.

  9. I just heard that one of the London Bridge jihadists was filmed on a documentary about extremists in the UK! So, he was well known as a likely jihadist.


    1. It's one thing to not detain or closely monitor a person of interest, due to a lack of funds, surveillance saturation or criminal cause. It's morally and criminally negligent not to act against a pending attack, when you possess the intelligence necessary to take action.

      - CI

    2. CI,
      It's morally and criminally negligent not to act against a pending attack, when you possess the intelligence necessary to take action.


      As far as I'm concerned, they have blood on their hands.

  10. @Ed - How about an armed citizenry that could protect itself and others?
    Then the terrorist is armed and casualties are probably higher.

    1. The terrorist is often already armed with no armed opposition.

  11. If your're paying attention, the attacks in London have not involved firearms.

    1. Explosives, certainly. Vehicles, most definitely. But nothing says, "I'm feeling Butch" like a knife or sword.

    2. ...after all, when you reach Heaven and Mohamed asks you how you killed the infidels, you want to tell him it was with a bad-*ssed sword and hope he never realizes that all your opponents were "unarmed".

    3. "If your're paying attention, the attacks in London have not involved firearms"

      GOOD POINT! If you're a terrorist, with so many more devastating alternatives, why bother with "firearms"? But what about your intended victims?

    4. If you're paying attention, you'd see where firearms might have helped stave off some of the terror attacks.

    5. Yeah, I can't think of anything more effective against a suicide bomber than a firearm.

      Again, if the terrorists had been armed with semi-autos (which they would have been if Britain had looser gun laws) the death toll would likely have been higher.

    6. Weird, would-be suicide bombers have been getting shot all over the world, at least once 2001. But given the caricature with which you portray lawful firearm owners....I can see your confusion.

    7. CI, Ducky always likes to appear as he knows better than experts.
      Ducky, focus; we're talking the GOOD GUYS having guns, not the BAD GUYS. But, in your world, there really aren't any BAD GUYS, right? Not as long as they're muslims.

    8. CI, I really don't give two warm farts in hell about "lawful firearm" owners.

      What I do care about is the warped idea that arming oneself is a necessary and complete solution to violence.

    9. Well good.......we give about the same about the gun control cabal.

      Who here has ever offered that the natural right of self defense, is a complete solution to any problem? Denying that right however, only exacerbates the problem.

    10. Ducky said: If your're paying attention, the attacks in London have not involved firearms.

      It is good to know Ducky is BUTCH enough to disarm a knife/sword wheeling attacker!

      If the patrons of the coffee shop were armed the waitress would still have their eyes.

  12. Professor Doctor HistoryJune 5, 2017 at 1:35:00 PM EDT

    Run, hide, soil yourself, cower...

    Meanwhile, muslims adhere to their age-old plan:

    Infest, breed, agitate, threaten, slaughter, convert, take over.

    For concrete examples, read the history of formerly-Christian lands such as Syria, Turkey, and Lebanon

    Coming soon to a history book near you... Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland!

    These nations are clapped out husks full of guilty white multi-culti dhimmis who invite in muslims to do the work of producing children that Europeans refuse to do.

    1. Professor Doctor History,
      You'll get no dissent from me.

      Great comment!

  13. Two of the three London Bridge jihadists have now been named:

    The British police has released the names of two of the three London attackers. According to BBC, they are Khuram Shazad Butt, 27, and Rachid Redouane, 30. Scotland Yard said Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane, both from Barking, carried out the attack.

    Khuram Shazad Butt, 27, (20.4.90), was a British citizen who was born in Pakistan. Rachid Redouane, 30 (31.7.86) had claimed to be Moroccan and Libyan. He also used the name Rachid Elkhdar, with a different date of birth of 31.7.91. Inquiries are ongoing to confirm the identity of their accomplice.


    According to the Telegraph, it emerged that Butt had appeared in the Channel 4 documentary "The Jihadis Next Door," which warned of the rise of extreme Islam in London....

    As far as I can tell, both Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane were British citizens.

  14. "As far as I can tell, both Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane were British citizens."

    Sooo...AOW...then what? This is often the case, and will become more and more the case. The Libyan who killed in Manchester was traveling back/forth from Libya with no problem. British Citizen, after all.
    So, do we have to add Great Britain to the countries we're hoping to impose a travel ban or pause on? Or Germany? PLENTY of German-born radicals. France?
    SO, do we start to vet by NAME/RELIGION? "Mohammed ...X?"
    "Oh, GEE, no, can't make it look like we're after radical muslims though they're obviously after US!" :-) (Sarcasm)

    1. Z,
      I see dollar signs. Lots of dollar signs.

      You know, OBL bragged that 9/11 would eventually bankrupt the West. He may have been correct. Just look at how much all these security measures are costing -- and will continue to cost.

    2. All part of the strategy. While most jihadi's are goat humming boobs living in the 13th century......the planners are serious students of political science, asymmetric warfare and game theory.

      We've largely been playing by al Qaeda's and ISIS' playbook since 2001.

  15. It is clear. We must ban all moslem immigration. The mohammedans are crafty devils, feigning friendliness while plotting murder and mayhem, or at the very least, dummying up when they see terror seeds growing in their communities.

    Short of banning all moslems, western government should give them legal residency or conditional citizenship. If anyone in the family commits an act of terror, boot the whole damn family. Grandmas, babies, the whole stinking lot. Throw them out, and for good measure, burn down the mosque that radicalized the filthy cockroach and jail anyone who ever preached there.


  17. Due to the low birth rate of U.S. inhabitants and the high birth rate of Muslims, the population of the U.S. will be 3 quarters Muslims and 1 quarter U.S. inhabitants in 2050!
    Then the Muslims will demand the Shari Law be the law of the land; [For concrete examples, read the history of formerly-Christian lands such as Syria, Turkey, and Lebanon](re: Professor Doctor History)and other sources!

    1. Plus the forced conversions and imported Family imagration.


  18. Why don't hear about this sort of $#!T going on in Poland; a very significant European Nation? CLUE: The Moslem (vermin) population is reported to be only <0.1 % of the total population there. This should be a model for the rest of Europe. It's not "Rocket Science"; no Moslems, no Moslem problems! Gitem the #e!! out!

    1. Quick search so feel free to correct me, but also free from recent attacks are Bulgaria (10% sunni), croatia, cyprus (20% muslim), czech rep., estonia, finland, greece, hungary, ireland, latvia, lithuania, luxemberg, malta, portugal, romania, slovakia and slovenia.

    2. Jez,
      Do you have any theories as to why those nation are free from recent attacks are Bulgaria?

    3. No, but the JonBerg's Polish argument doesn't apply.

    4. Jez,
      As far as I know, those nations are not members of the coalition of nations fighting in Iraq, Syria, etc.

    5. His argument applies if you take into consideration "recent" Moslem immigration.

    6. always: many were involved in Iraq.

    7. Jez,
      many were involved in Iraq.

      Early on, yes. But later, it has been pretty much the UK, France, and the United States.

    8. "JonBerg's Polish argument doesn't apply."

      What argument? I'm not arguing about anything but merely stating a fact. That is, where there are no Muslim vermin there is no Muslim vermin problem(s). Is there something there that you don't understand?

    9. It's implicit. Poland's thin Muslim population explains the lack of attacks. Maybe. But the theory doesn't explain some other countries' experience, and btw isn't Poland exposed through her border to Germany's hotbed of Islamic extremism?

    10. They've kept recent immigrants trained in Syria out, Jez. Yes, it's THAT simple.

  19. Z typed in:

    The Libyan who killed in Manchester was traveling back/forth from Libya with no problem. British Citizen, after all.

    So, do we have to add Great Britain to the countries we're hoping to impose a travel ban or pause on? Or Germany? PLENTY of German-born radicals. France?

    This matter of travel visas will become problematic for the United States because so many citizens of European nations with whom we have visa agreements are potential jihadists. IMO, sooner or later, "the bad thing" was happen here -- "the bad thing" perpetrated by an Islamomaniac having natural-born or long-ago-naturalized citizenship of a European nation.

    1. This is why I predicted earlier that the visa agreements we have with Europe will be terminated or severely restricted (to pre-screened individuals for example).

      The west now has too many violent islamofascists on the inside.

      I can't stand Alex Jones, but "Prison Planet" is an apt descriptor.

    2. SF,
      The west now has too many violent islamofascists on the inside.


      "Homegrown terrorists" -- to quote the narrative now in play.

    3. TC,
      Yes, reared in Muslim homes.

      And attending which mosques?

    4. Pretty sure they're all Muslim mosques.

  20. Calendula Chimerastein said

    "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

    The DIDADIN man is right. The rest of you are wasting time dancing around trying to avoid admitting it.

  21. Replies
    1. Yacqub Khayre was identified as the suspect in the horrific ordeal. Khayre had a longstanding criminal record in the country, which included a violent burglary in 2012 in which he was sentenced to over five years in prison. He was also acquitted in a trial where it was alleged that he was plotting a terrorist attack at an Australian army base.

      ISIS has reportedly claimed that Khayre was a soldier and carried out the attack in response to appeals that targeted nationals of the coalition countries.


    Cancel Donald Trump state visit, says Sadiq Khan, after London attack tweets

    London mayor says US president is wrong about many things and that state visit to Britain should not go ahead


    Julian Borger in Washington

    Tuesday 6 June 2017

    The London mayor, Sadiq Khan, has called on the British government to cancel a planned state visit by Donald Trump after being criticised in two tweets by the US president.

    Trump initially criticised Khan for his response to the London Bridge terrorist attack; though, in doing so, he misquoted London’s mayor. Khan’s office pointed out Trump’s error later but the president responded by accusing London’s mayor of making a “pathetic excuse”.

    Appearing on Channel 4 News on Monday evening, Khan said Trump was wrong about “many things” and that his state visit should not go ahead.

    “I don’t think we should roll out the red carpet to the president of the USA in the circumstances where his policies go against everything we stand for,” he said.

    “When you have a special relationship it is no different from when you have got a close mate. You stand with them in times of adversity but you call them out when they are wrong. There are many things about which Donald Trump is wrong.”

    Trump’s tirade also appeared to act as a rebuke to the acting US ambassador to Britain, Lewis Lukens, who had put out a thread of tweets, culminating in a retweet of Khan’s statement.

    “I commend the strong leadership of the mayor of London as he leads the city forward after this heinous attack,” the acting ambassador said.

    In more normal times, such a message of solidarity with a host mayor in an allied state would be unremarkable, but it unleashed a torrent of online abuse from Trump’s supporters, accusing Lukens of disloyalty. Some focused on the fact that the acting ambassador was offering support for a foreign official who is Muslim, rather than echoing the president. There were calls for Lukens to be replaced.

    Trump’s initial criticism of Khan on Sunday was based on a misunderstanding of what the mayor had said. Early on Sunday morning, Khan made a statement expressing grief and vowing that the terrorists “would not win”. Khan then added: “Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. There’s no reason to be alarmed.”

    A few hours later, Trump seemed to interpret that as suggesting Londoners should not be alarmed by terrorism.

    “At least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of London says there is “no reason to be alarmed!” Trump tweeted.

    The London mayor’s office initially responded by saying Khan had “more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump’s ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context his remarks”.

    Hours later, Trump retorted: “Pathetic excuse by London mayor Sadiq Khan, who had to think fast on his ‘no reason to be alarmed’ statement. [Mainstream media] is working hard to sell it!”

    Theresa May appeared unwilling to be drawn into the row. She praised Khan’s response to the attack but refused to explicitly comment on the US president’s intervention.

    Asked if Trump had been wrong to target Khan, May told reporters on Monday: “Sadiq Khan is doing a good job and it’s wrong to say anything else – he’s doing a good job.”

    White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders denied that Trump was picking a fight with the mayor of London and said the idea that the president was criticising Khan because he was Muslim was “utterly ridiculous”.

    Asked why Trump had misquoted Khan, she said: “I don’t think that’s actually true. I think the media wants to spin it that way. The point is there is a reason to be alarmed. We have constant attacks going on not just there but across the globe.”

    1. FT,
      The London mayor, Sadiq Khan, has called on the British government to cancel a planned state visit by Donald Trump after being criticised in two tweets by the US president.

      I saw that!

      On this day, the 72nd anniversary of D-Day.

    2. Erratum: it's the 73rd anniversary of D-Day.

    3. Dick Dartingtongue-Loveless said

      TERESA MAY is a WIMP.

    4. FT,
      From that portion you cited:

      Trump’s initial criticism of Khan on Sunday was based on a misunderstanding of what the mayor had said.

      I'm not convinced that Trump misunderstood Khan at all. Khan has, shall we say, "issues." Check out some of those "issues" via a Google search. A saint he ain't!

    5. Asked if Trump had been wrong to target Khan, May told reporters on Monday: “Sadiq Khan is doing a good job and it’s wrong to say anything else – he’s doing a good job.”

      Pfffft! He's doing a great job as an Islamic supremacist.

    6. What are your issues with Khan?

    7. Jez,
      Labour candidate for mayor of London Sadiq Khan refers to moderate Muslims as Uncle Toms during a 2009 interview with Iranian state propaganda news network, Press TV:

      Sadiq Khan Calls Moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms"


      FLASHBACK: Sadiq Khan Vigorously Defended Convicted Terrorists in 2002 (VIDEO)


      Muslim Imam calls out London Mayor Sadiq Khan.

      A balanced article from the Daily Beast. I see several red flags ("issues") there.

    8. The only good Muslim is an ABSENT Muslim.




    1. The man has been shot and wounded. Tourists have been marched out with hands up.

    2. Late Breaking News!


      Officer bashed in the head outside Notre Dame (Fox)

      Man with a hammer attacks policeman. Shot dead.

      The words SHOT DEAD are lke music to my ears.

      Never an Arrest, never a TRIAL, never IMPRISONMENT. Only SHOT DEAD for these savage beasts.

    3. FT,
      The man with the hammer was shot dead? I'd heard that he was only wounded.

      Never an Arrest, never a TRIAL, never IMPRISONMENT. Only SHOT DEAD for these savage beasts.

      Works for me!

  24. About the man with the hammer outside Notre Dame Cathedral: Attacker shouted that he was a soldier of Isil as he attempted to strike police officer with hammer:

    French police shot a man outside Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris yesterday after he tried to attack them with a hammer and shouted "This is for Syria" in a terror incident just two days after the London attacks.

    French media said the man, who claimed to be an Algerian "student", was also in possession of two kitchen knives and other unsophisticated weapons. One policeman, aged 22, was lightly injured in the neck.

    Paris prosecutors have opened a counterterrorism inquiry.

    French media cited a source close to the inquiry as saying the injured assailant claimed to be a "soldier of the Caliphate", presumed to be a reference to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil)....

  25. And in Toronto...

    Woman screaming 'Allahu Akbar' charged in Toronto store attack:

    TORONTO - A Scarborough woman remains jailed on allegations that she, while masked in an ISIS bandana, swung a golf club at Canadian Tire employees while screaming threats and Islamic chants.

    Rehab Dughmosh, 32, asked justice of the peace Alice Napier that she “stay in jail,” rather than have a bail hearing at College Park courts on Tuesday.

    Dughmosh was remanded in custody and will appear via video at Scarborough Court of Justice on June 21. She wore a black niqab and forest-green prison sweatsuit at her brief appearance and spoke through an Arabic interpreter in court.

    Toronto Police say a woman entered the Canadian Tire store at Cedarbrae Mall in Scarborough on Saturday around 5:10 p.m. and went to the paint section.

    She swung a golf club at employees and a customer and pulled out a knife while uttering threats, according to police

    Sources told the Sun she ranted “Allahu Akbar” - God (Allah) is greater - during the assault.

    The woman was restrained and disarmed by staffers and customers, with one employee receiving non-life-threatening injuries, police say.

    The incident happened at the same time that a terrorist rampage occurred in London.

    A publication ban has been imposed.

    Dughmosh is charged with two counts of assault with a weapon, assault, assault, two counts of possession of a weapon, threaten death or bodily harm, and carrying a concealed weapon.

    1. Trumpophobic psychosis is causing unhinged islamofascists and progressive fascists to lash out violently, it appears.

      The more of these nuts who voluntarily out themselves, the better.

    2. SF,
      Trumpophobic psychosis?

      Definitely in play! Worldwide, too.

  26. Travesty: Migrant attackers of 5-year-old unpunished


    by Pamela Geller

    The travesty of justice in Idaho is now complete. In the summer of 2016, a 5-year-old girl was sexually assaulted and urinated upon by three Muslim migrant boys in Twin Falls, Idaho. Since then, instead of getting justice, the victim’s family has been abused by law enforcement and governing authorities as if they were the …


  27. Righteous Piers Morgan to Insufferable
    London Mayor: “Where are they?”…

    Conservative Treehouse, by Sundance (quoted at luciannecm)

    During a segment on Good Morning Britain host Piers Morgan questioned Islamopologist London Mayor Sadiq Khan about the current location of 400 known London Jihadists that traveled to Syria for terrorist training. (Video) Notice the very end of the video snippet: …. the most recent terrorists “had not come from overseas; they were, for all intents and purposes, integrated into our way of life“… Really? That’s an interesting way of looking at it. The most recent London terrorists who ran people over and chopped people up were “integrated into our way of life“. Alrighty then. (Full Video)


    1. FT, It's funny... Piers Morgan was hated here as a flaming leftwinger when he was on CNN, but he's actually a pretty common sense centrist who throws the BS flag wherever he sees it, regardless of party or ideology.

      I've gained a lot of respect for the man. We are sorely lacking people like that here.

    2. Piers isn't bad...until it comes to gun control. Then he goes waaay off the reservation.

      - CI


      When dealing with extreme situations, Moderates are WORSE than USELESS.


    4. "We must FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE"

      That got my uncle kicked out of the fire brigade.

  28. Good grief!

    Killer's brother was PAID to fight extremism: Group that was given government funding to fight terrorism was set up at the London Bridge jihadi's family home.


    Murderer Khuram Butt's older brother was paid to help anti-terror group

    Saad Butt, 29, worked with Prevent programme against extremist groups

    He was even paid for research on 'young Muslims' dissatisfaction with police'

    Meanwhile younger brother was plotting deadly attack without detection

    Father-of-two Khuram was investigated by officers but deemed 'low priority'

    Questions raised over how security services missed so many red flags

    Not only did Khuram Butt the Jihadist appear in the Channel 4 documentary The Jihadis Next Door but also he had these employment opportunities:

    Despite his extremist links being known to police, Butt was somehow able to obtain a job with London Underground in 2016.

    The killer, who hid his fanaticism from colleagues, also worked at Canada Water station in the Docklands

    So much for watching those on the watch lists. There are too many on the multiple watch lists! Exponential.

  29. Just now I heard on the news that an 8th victim's body has been found -- in the Thames.

  30. One year ago, ISIS promised to begin terrorist operations over Ramadan in Iran proper. Yesterday, they began to carry out their threat. FINALLY, the idiots are killing each other!

    1. " FINALLY, the idiots are killing each other!"

      YESSSSS, bring it on!

    2. FINALLY, the idiots are killing each other!

      Let them have at it!

    3. I'm sure the right would be happy to see a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
      Wars in the ME have all worked out so well.

      What could go wrong?

    4. There are no wars currently going on in the Middle East between Saudi and Iranian factions? Who knew? Hallelujia! Peace in our time, and we never even knew it!

    5. The difference, ducky, is that before now, neither the Saudi nor Iranian "homelands" were being affected. If ever there was a formula for perpetual war, THAT was the formula. At least now, there is a chance at "resolution"... and yes, that may be the "extermination" of one side.

    6. Thersites, as usual, is 100% correct. there is at least a chance....

    7. A chance of what, Z? An enlarged conflict?

      The last one produced ISIS and at the rate the Orange Man is going they'll benefit from the fight.

      I wonder if our best strategy isn't getting the hell out. But Likud and the royal family are too dependent on our support to allow it.

    8. Getting out has NO chance of stopping this tempo of slaughter, Mcduck.

  31. Is this true?

    Hammer attacker was a journalist in Sweden:

    The terrorist who attacked police officers with a hammer outside Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris yesterday was previously given an award by the European Union for writing an article in which he complained about racism against migrants.

    Apparently, the hammer attacker's name is Farid Ikken.

    ABC News reports:

    A nephew and a longtime colleague of the Algerian doctoral student accused of attacking a police patrol outside Notre Dame Cathedral both say the man is far from being an extremist....

    More at the above link.

    So, he's a moderate Muslim???

  32. Thank you, TTheodore Dalrymple:

    islamists "perceive ours as a candle-and-teddy-bear society (albeit mysteriously endowed with technological prowess):

    We kill, you light candles. The other day I passed a teddy-bear shop, that is to say a shop that sold nothing but teddy bears. I am sure that terrorism is good for business, but the teddy bears are more reassuring for the terrorists than for those who buy them to place on the site of the latest outrage.

    I'm waiting for companies to put out a line of post-attack greeting cards.


  33. The Islamic religion requires eternal warfare against the non-Muslim world. Muslims are required to murder non-believers in order to be sure of going to Muslim heaven. Muslims will continue to murder infidels as long as Islam exists. Therefore, only a darned fool would advocate in favor of Muslim immigrants. The best solution, absent a world wide religious war, is separation of the West from Islam. Stop all Islamic immigration and deport those already here.

    1. Couple questions, stogie:

      1. Would Tunisia a Muslim country which prohibits Hijab and beards be considered Dar al-Islam?

      2.Would Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, two conservative nations that waged war against the Muslim nation of Iraq be considered Dar al-Islam or Dar al-Harb?

      Since you wish to present yourself as an expert on all things Islamic and seem to believe in a homogeneous muslim world, I thought I'd go straight to the horse's "mouth".

    2. Oh, for extra credit, stogie.

      in the history of Islam has any but the Umayyad dynasty based its foreign policy on unmitigated warfare against the non-believer ?

    3. Why must Ducky's here traffic in irrelevancies and diversions into blind corners and dead ends?

      The common thread, my dear, poor ignorant one, is strict interpretation of islam's holy writs and the rancid ideology that engenders.

      The body of anecdotal evidence is clear:

      There is a strong correlation between those who cling most rabidly to muhammad's (piss be upon him) fractured fairy tales (cribbed from Jewish and Christian texts) and hate-inspired violence against the infidel and against the insufficiently-pious muslims.

      A man named Jez has chimed in citing nations within Europe that have muslim population percentages larger than France, yet they have little or no muslim violence. Clearly, they must possess a more enlightened view of their religion and have not become radicalized.

      We must also acknowledge that muslim communities in places like Albania have grown up over centuries immersed in Western Christian enlightenment, cheek by jowl with rational Christians and all their intellectual and cultural wonders. That indeed much count much towards their civility and rationality.

      So, my poor ignorant provocateur, the common thread is the familiar islamic recipe:

      > Fill their soft heads with the most extreme and fundamentalist interpretation of muhammad's fractured fairy tales

      > Marinate them in a rancid atmosphere choked with hatred, misogyny, religious bigotry and extreme suspicion of all who are not sufficiently islamic

      > Stoke fear and rage with continuous propaganda and conspiracy theories counterbalanced by tales of islamic triumphalism and bringing about the caliphate by wielding the flaming sword of Al Lah (Not to be confused with Al Lott, my mechanic).

      > Keep them stupid and isolated.

      Apparently, not all muslims are conforming to this recipe. We can take some comfort in the lack of uniform homogeneity, but we must also remain cautious, for contemporary events also reveal many cases of apparently secular muslims--like a beloved family dog who has been bitten by a skunk--suddenly turning rabid.

      The Stogie man is right to advice caution.

      Please continue asking questions, perhaps at long length we may enlighten you.

    4. Stogie,
      in order to be sure of going to Muslim heaven

      Ay, there's the rub! They have their eyes on eternity and are willing to do anything to guarantee their arrival to the gates of Paradise. Murderous jihad is a guarantee.

      It is difficult in the extreme to curb those whose eyes are on the afterlife.

    5. Sreeni Smooklas,
      You have described the recipe accurately.

      Apparently, not all muslims are conforming to this recipe. We can take some comfort in the lack of uniform homogeneity, but we must also remain cautious, for contemporary events also reveal many cases of apparently secular muslims--like a beloved family dog who has been bitten by a skunk--suddenly turning rabid.

      Well said!

      And where do they get bitten? In the mosques. On the Internet.

      The "rabies virus" is everywhere -- and in the West, too.

    6. I think my point is quite relevant.

      Does stogie have anything but a superficial knowledge of Islam?
      Or has he read the verse of the sword without any historical context and used that as the basis for his pontificating?

      We have a problem with a radical element of Islam and we can either combat that element or the entire Muslim world as stogie advocates on the basis of his woeful limited knowledge.

      I think it is wiser to form our strategy from knowledge rather than ignorant bigotry.

    7. Duck,
      I assure you that Stogie has more than a superficial knowledge of Islam.

      Besides, there is the telling historical record of Islam. 1400 years of history.

      Until the majority of Muslims will stand up and be counted against their fundamentalist brethren, we have no way of discerning who among us are the jihadists and who are not.

      Stogie is an avid student of history and does not have woeful limited knowledge.

      Apparently, you have decided to become a frothing-at-the-mouth apologist for Islam. I grow weary of that, Duck.

      PS: I can assure you Stogie is not an ignorant bigot. You don't know enough about him to judge him a bigot.

    8. The point, McDuck, is not how Stogie interprets the holey texts, but rather, how our multitude of independent Imams throughout Islam interpret it. For currently, even the highest Marja's who seek to impose "homogeneity" (like Khomeini) interpret it much as Stogie describes.

  34. Look at this
    Rambo Ducky's here. He knows how to disarm a knife/sword wheeling Muslim-you know the ones who seek the pure Islam.
    I want Ducky as my bodyguard.

    On another note: the Imams tell the suicide nuts that their families will be taken care of- you know large sums of money paid to their families.

    Obama gave a large Jet Plane full of unmarked bills of foreign currency to Iran. Iran is the sponsor of those nuts.
    So who is helping recruit those nuts? Obama or Trump?

  35. Of interest...

    From 10 Conditions Set by Saudi Arabia for Doha Government:

    Saudis have reportedly given Qatar a 24-hour ultimatum to fulfil a number of conditions they set in response to efforts to mediate between the two Arab states.

    In a meeting with Kuwait’s Emir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, who was in Jeddah on June 6 to mediate in an ongoing rift between Doha and a number of Persian Gulf Arab states, Qatar was given the one-day ultimatum to fulfil ten conditions set by the Al Saud regime.

    According to [Al Jazeera' Faisal Edroos, the demands are:

    1. Immediate severance of diplomatic relations with Iran,

    2. Expulsion of all members of the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas from Qatar,

    3. Freezing all bank accounts of Hamas members and refraining from any deal with them,

    4. Expulsion of all Muslim Brotherhood members from Qatar,

    5. Expulsion of anti-[P]GCC elements,

    6. Ending support for ‘terrorist organisations’,

    7. Stopping interference in Egyptian affairs,

    8. Ceasing the broadcast of the Al Jazeera news channel,

    9. Apologising to all [Persian] Gulf governments for ‘abuses’ by Al Jazeera,

    10. Pledging that it (Qatar) will not carry out any actions that contradict the policies of the [P]GCC and adhering to its charter.

    He added in case Qatar abides by the conditions laid out by Saudi Arabia, an emergency meeting of all [P]GCC leaders will be held in the Saudi city of Jeddah.

    1. Typo!

      Make that According to [Al Jazeera journalist] Faisal Edroos

    2. Quite rich, as the British would say, coming from the seat of poisonous wahhabi islamic fundamentalism.

      #8 and #9 are what really chaps the hides of the ME governments. I said years ago that Al Jazeera was a force for liberalizing the Muslim world, but conservatives laughed our shouted me out of every thread where I said that.

      This is an intramural fight, a Bedouin tribal family feud, and President Trump is dumb to stick his twittering tweeter into it. They squabble among themselves like this all the time, and they always work it out. We need to stay out of it.

    3. Compulsory viewing if you haven't seen it.

      "What is clear is that the Al Jazeera journalists feel more disappointment than hatred for America. During one of those bull sessions, there's a rhetorical question: "Who's going to stop the United States?" And an Arab replies: "The United States is going to stop the United States. I have absolute confidence in the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. people.""

      It's out of print but available for cheap on the secondary market.

    4. Like my Daddy always said, "they only try to tackle the guy with the ball."

      We need to stop carrying other people's balls.

    5. SF,
      This is an intramural fight, a Bedouin tribal family feud, and President Trump is dumb to stick his twittering tweeter into it.

      That's how I see it, too.


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