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Wednesday, September 16, 2015

Islam And The Presidential Candidates — And A Thread For Discussion Of The September 16, 2015 GOP Presidential Debate

The Clarion Project offers this resource....

U.S. Presidential Race 2016: See what all the candidates are saying about Iran, ISLAMIST RADICALISM, the threat at home and much more

Please see the outgoing links at the tabs "View [the candidate's] Platform" for more information than is provided on the first page of the above link.

For example, I clicked on "View the Cruz Platform" and got the following information:
Record on Islamic Extremism

- Sharia Law is an "enormous problem" in the U.S.
Read the rest HERE.

Here is what I found when I clicked on "View the Bush Platform":
View of Islamism

Views the conflict as ideological in nature. Said: "[Islam has] been hijacked by people who have an ideology that wants to destroy Western civilization, and they're barbarians. And so that part, which is the part that we need to confront head-on, is clearly not a religious of peace."

Believes the strategy towards radical Islam needs to be focused more on security and less on promoting Western values and nation-building. Said: "Am I the same as my brother? Of course not. I'm not. I think, for example, our foreign policy ought to be grounded in not just the export of our own values or nation-building. These are good sentiments, but first and foremost in security and peace."

Thinks it's a mistake to equate elections with democracy-promotion, pointing to how Hamas and Hezbollah were voted into power.

Domestic Islamists

The U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations, a coalition of Islamist groups, demand that Bush drop American Center for Law and Justice executive director Jordan Sekulow as a top adviser to his "Right to Rise" PAC. They claim that Sekulow is "anti-Muslim" for publishing a pamphlet titled, "'Shari'a Law: Radical Islam's Threat to the U.S. Constitution." The coalition took particular issue with a sentence that claims "devout Muslims cannot truthfully swear the oath to become citizens of the United States of America."
Read the rest HERE.

The Clarion Project's main page for the Presidential candidates is HERE.

Let us realize this, however: without a real economic recovery, those of us who are pushing back against the ongoing Islamification will not be able to afford to push back. 

Dollar realities are dollar realities, and those realities limit how much we can fund any pushback. 

There are also time realities.  If we have to spend hours and hours treading the waters of this wreckovery, we won't have time to push back.

I'm sure that many are keeping their mouths shut because they cannot afford to lose their jobs.  Yes, I personally know a lot of muzzled people.

Comments about the GOP Presidential candidates' field and the September 16, 2015 CNN debate also welcome.


  1. I for one am for Donald Trunp. I don’t care if you like Donald Trump or not, but there is no way in hell you can argue with the facts that he presents and the words he speaks.
    This country has become a dumping ground for years, allowing all kinds of un-documented, unchecked, monsters enter America to "escape" from their native lands! And in doing so have caused terror, crimes, breaking our laws, turning our cities into a pigs stye, and reducing our cities into conditions found in 3rd world nations. While dumbing down of our country! Does anyone remember this; The Boat People of Vietnam? Or the Criminials that Castro released from his prisons and sent here. Including all those rapists, drunken drivers, thrives, and yes even murderers! Well I do!!
    This is what we can expect once again as Obama is getting ready to let in to this country.
    And that's why I will support Donald Trump all the way, until Election Day . And cast my vote for him.
    No matter how much the jealous fools on the left try to destroy him and mock him.
    Let them support a lying crook like Hillary Clinton and see what we'd get! We'd get another Barack Obama, or worse. If that's at all possible!

    1. Cut and paste boilerplate. He posted the same thing at FreeThinke's.


    2. "Cut and paste boilerplate. He posted the same thing at FreeThinke's."
      Because I made the same comment on 2 different blogs?
      Does that make my comment any less important.
      Yours certainly was as UNimportant as tits on a Bull.

    3. The comment pertains to this blog post. The comment stands.

    4. When someone makes a valid, cogent comment what makes the difference how many sites it appears on? For example; the [wheel] works just fine, as is. It would seem, to me, that reinvention of the wheel would be nothing short of frivolous. Ninny Nutterly needs to get some sort of a life!

    5. None of the candidates proposed running Mitt Romney and his supporters through a tree mulchers while recording their dying screams on video to enjoy on demand on YouTube with popcorn, so it seems like the Republican Party isn't even trying to win me back.

      But, are we so enthralled with decorum that we can not do the decent thing and escort Donald Trump away from adult discussion with a baseball bat upside his spider monkey fur wig?

  2. Warning this Post Contains Both Facts and Opinions.
    Fact , we progressive and others see the “Trumpster” for what he is a vulgar, crass, thin-skinned, whining demagogue with nothing of substance to offer -- doesn't mean we're "scared" of him. That's what the Tea Party fans of Sarah Palin said when we criticized her. Where is she now?
    No, we're not afraid of the Trumpster, we're appalled that so many people are supporting this short-fingered vulgarian who promises them everything by saying nothing.

    You Republican voters will never admit us liberals are right but aren't they admitting it when none of their superstars can even beat fiorino carson or trump?
    That’s why the little TeGooper morons love him .
    If Paul Ryan Ted Cruz, Chris Christy, Santorum, Walker, kascich, huckabee, Perry ,or Bushie, were ever good wouldn't they be beating 3 non politicians?

    Don't bother arguing it Republicans. You guys won't even admit George Bush sucked. You don't have to. Your telling me all I need to know in your primaries. If he was good Jeb would be your front runner.
    It’s time that you people go to school, and this time stay there past 3rd grade so you will actually learn something other than,
    Obama is a Muslim
    Muslims are evil
    Liberals are stupid
    The media is dishonest
    Government is bad
    Politicians are worse
    America is the best
    Israel is great
    Iran sucks
    I'm rich
    Taxes are bad
    Women are bitches
    Or maybe just on the rag that day
    Gays sucks
    Wetbacks are worse.
    And of cause, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi !
    Is this the best that you have? Your message is generalizations, immature and ignorant.

    Us Progressive's understand Trump is a mile-wide, inch-deep surface appeal. He insists he’s the one anti-political-correctness candidate. “He tells it like it is,” instead of offering stereotypically squishy, over-focus-grouped talking points. He sounds so fearless because he’ll say anything to anybody. Except he’s not.
    All he really is, is a bag of wind!
    He whines and complains when a debate moderator asks him pointed and perfectly within-bounds questions about things he has done or said. When that questioner is a woman, he steps down from the gutter — or wherever — and tries to bully her into silence, then denies what the world understood him to say. Disagree? Well, “stupid,” that puts you among the “slobs,” “fat pigs,” “idiots,” “dogs” or “disgusting animals.” You don’t have to like Rosie O’Donnell or Megyn Kelly to be repelled by such crassness. All you have to be is a human being with a brain and common sense.

    We’re confident such Republican voters still exist. Telling it like it is doesn’t have to mean stooping to the vulgar extremes. Someone actually running for president would know that; someone play-acting as a candidate caricature might not. Or, in Donald Trump’s case, clearly doesn’t. So all you Trump lovers, please vote for him and assure us Liberal's a victory in 2016.
    Donald Trump is DUMB like a fox. He's manipulating both the media, and the rupublickan party like a master because he is a master, a master at BS.. Trump has surrounded himself with smart people and his tactics and strategies are creative and effective. Trump is a business man who knows his customer/base and he's playing them like Jascha Heifetz played his violin.


      The choice of the global elites, Wall Street Bankers, and international corporatists!

    2. Interesting list. You got 6 right. That makes 63% straw men points. That's weak.

      Oh, yes, 7. Trump. I agree with Peggy Noonan's observations, though, that his 'staying power' reflects a deepening estrangement between elites and regular folks and crosses party and racial lines a lot. He isn't necessarily a Republican phenomenon - more populist at this point. He speaks plainly on issues the elites go wishy-washy on, and there are millions of voters who want this. I want this - just not in Trump.

    3. Lets cut to the chase and cast our gaze upon the fruits of Obama-Hillary-Kerry's Middle East foreign policy.

      If Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld belong in jail, global arsonists Obama, Hillary, Kerry, Susan Rice and Samantha Power need to occupy the next jail cell over.

  3. Your link proves beyond any doubt that all but one or two GOP candidates are delusional when it comes to Islam; neither has a chance at winning the GOP Primary. The mistake comes from their acceptance of the notion that the problem is radical Islam. It is not. The problem is Islam. If any Moslem believes that Sharia Law must govern the entire world, then that Moslem is radical. All that is really left from that is the method of expression of that radicalism. One expression is the overwhelming onslaught into Europe. I have to admit, however, that the comment made by Hillary Clinton was the epitome of farce: “U. S. needs an overarching strategy against jihadists and their ideology like the west had to defeat communism.” What a fraud. Communism is stronger and more prevalent today than it ever was under Leninists, Stalinists, and Maoists. If there is a more robust advocate of communism in the United States than Hillary Clinton, I cannot imagine who it is.

    1. Somewhat delirious.

      Love the bit about Hillary being a commie even though she's as likely to get you excited by bombing up Muslims as any one in the Republican clown car.

      I will point out that the immigrant Muslim population in America is entrepreneurial, educated and successful. Just where you see this push towards sharia is not obvious. It's just part of your general fever dream.

    2. Ducky, I do not think you should comment at blogs until after you have come down from your drug induced high; otherwise, people may get the impression that you are an incoherent leftist fool. After you are once more standing on terra firma, perhaps you will be able to explain how a Moslem’s entrepreneurial acumen excludes their adherence to radical proscriptions of the Qur’an, say from 623 A.D.

    3. American muslims speak for themselves about sharia.

      "According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah. More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts." WOW!

      The poll goes on to show that 25% believe violence against Americans is justified for worldwide jihad. Even more believe that for those who 'insult' Islam or Mohammed. And almost 10% support violent Islam groups like ISIS.


      Even if the sample led to numbers being 100% off, this is extremely problematic.

    4. Once again, its Duncy Ducky vs The Facts.

      He's been KO'd so many times he's punch drunk.

    5. Mustang and SF,
      Well, we can say this about Duck: he's consistent.


  4. Remember when Obama committed treason by bypassing Congress and swapping five high-value detainees for one American traitor?

    Remember the speech Obama gave last week telling Americans that we must take on ISIS?

    Put together the two and you have a case for charges of treason against Barack Hussein Obama.

    It is being reported that at least 3 of the 5 detainees involved in the swap have joined ISIS in Syria and Iraq as commanders and are using that rank to usher in an "Islamic Caliphate" (a Sunni Islamic Theocracy - contrary to Obama's claims that ISIS is not Islamic).

    1. That was his prerogative but I do remember when Tom Cotton, a fringe right darling, wrote a letter to the head of the Iranian government telling him not to trust Obama.

      Much closer to a treasonous act and you fringe righties said NOTHING . Not whimper.

    2. Ducky,

      Right thinking Americans said nothing about Cotton's OPEN letter to your friends the turds in turbans who subjugate the good Iranian people, because it merely informed them of our US constitution, and wasn't even remotely treasonous.

      Here's the link. I suggest you read it and clear up your embarrassing ignorance:


      It's all water under the bridge now anyway. Obama found yet one more way to subvert our system of government, crap on the constitution and get his way.

      He's setting some dangerous precedents for future emperors.

    3. SF,
      I'll never forget Obama's lack of interest in the 2009 Iranian Green Movement.

      Remember Neda?

      Even then, Obama was looking to create his foreign-policy legacy, IMO.

      As you said, SF: It's all water under the bridge now anyway.

      "What difference does it make?"

      We're going to find out rather quickly, IMO.

    4. Duck,
      So, we are fringe righties?


      Because we disagree with you?

      Because we call 'em like we see 'em?

    5. Duck,
      So, we are fringe righties?


      Because we disagree with you?:"

      AOW! Do you remember how many times I've said that to him? Oh, yes...you're FRINGE if you dare disagree with Ducky :-)

      I have to add that I thought the Tom Cotton letter wasn't a great idea and said so, back then. So yes, Ducky, some of us weren't for it. Even with a president this bad, it's not great form to have others write letters like that. yes, even with Obama.

      By the way, someone on the Nobel committee who was against picking Obama after all is saying the whole thing backfired on them, they'd thought it would 'strengthen' Obama...
      Don't you just love the left? It's whackier than HELL!! And then has the utter gall to insult the FRINGE RIGHT! :-)

    6. Z,
      Yes, I remember.

      By the way, someone on the Nobel committee who was against picking Obama after all is saying the whole thing backfired on them, they'd thought it would 'strengthen' Obama..

      Here is what has backfired, and Obama thought it was great when it started up:

      In central Tunisia, birthplace of Arab Spring now jihad hotbed.

  5. I don't find the Clarion soundbites too helpful. Too squishy and politically correct.

    Consider how Obama sounded in 2008 - we'll get out of Iraq but be tough elsewhere, etc. Then he gets elected and the first presidential interview he gave was with El Arabiya TV in Dubai, and he said he wanted to restore American relations in the Middle East to what they were 20-30 years prior. You'll recall that's when we were bombing Libya, took a missile hit on the USS Stark, and our embassy was overrun in Teheran.

    It can be hard to decipher intent.

    1. Baysider,
      Clarion's summaries are the best guide sheet I've found so far.

      I wonder if the debate moderators tonight will ask anything about Islam?

    2. My guess is that Kim Davis dominates.

  6. Breaking news within the past 24 hours:


  7. Much livelier debates tonight. And more issues-based, too.

    Would these debates would be nearly as lively if not for Donald Trump?


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