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Friday, April 3, 2015

Agreement With Iran?

(Two posts today. Please scroll down)

In the way that Obama yesterday in his triumphant speech? Maybe not. See Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement: Says White House misleading Congress, American people with fact sheet.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif:


Additional reading...Obama Today: USSR Was “Far More Dangerous Opponent” Than Iran – Obama Before: Iran More Dangerous Than The USSR.

We should all be asking:
"What is truth?"

44 comments:

  1. 20008. "Iran is a tiny Country. It is no threat to us." Thoughts from our savant President.

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    1. Bunkerville,
      Smartest President ever! **snort**

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  2. According to B.O. this "agreement" is an alternative to "war". This while Iran conducts a [proxy] war throughout the Middle East. WHAT?

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  3. Information You DeserveApril 3, 2015 at 9:13:00 AM EDT

    Iran Won!
    The Agreement reached on 'framework' for final Iran nuke deal...

    The Sanctions will be terminated...

    No nuke sites closed...

    ALL Research and development to continue... NONE of the nuclear plants will be closed, or even suspended.

    And Iran the nuclear largest STATE OF TERRORISM will get exactly what they wanted.

    You couldn't have expected any better deal from this incompetent band of whackjobs. This worked out exactly to my expectations . Iran has agreed to not conduct research and development associated with uranium enrichment at Fordow for 15 years. and if you believe them and trust them, then you most likely believe in Unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows! Keep telling yourself that.



    Also in the Late Breaking News!

    In a setback, the U.S. economy gained 126,000 jobs last month, much worse than expected.

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  4. This will be like each month's release of economic data: Revised down the following month. The framework for agreement will be revised down to a handshake promising further talks.

    Also, anyone who buys the "hardliners" being "Upset" at the agreement doesn't see Iran's Good Cop-Bad Cop routine for what it is.

    Make no mistake. Nothing happens in Iran, especially at this high level of government, without the approval of the Ayatollahs.

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    1. SF,
      It is Islamic to negotiate only from a position of strength. That's exactly what the ayatollahs have done. Iran is an Islamic theocracy.

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    2. AOW: I don't think there is anything particularly Islamic in what they are doing. It's just being smart. Iran had absolutely nothing to lose in these negotiations. The sanctions are on and they are spinning the centrifuges. Meanwhile, Kerry and Obama are on their knees begging them for a deal, any deal to give Obama a legacy.




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    3. SF,
      If I am not mistaken, there is something in the Quran or the Sira about negotiating from a position of strength.

      A quick search yielded this:

      ...From the very first day, we have said that negotiations should be conducted from a position of strength.... -- Sayyed Nasrallah, December 2014

      There is also the matter of hudna. I'm sure that you are familiar with the concept of hudna.

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    4. But it is not an exclusively Islamic principle. They probably jumped on this because they saw in Obama a chicken ripe for the plucking

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    5. SF,
      Certainly not exclusive.

      Iran sees Obama as weak. As you put it: they saw in Obama a chicken ripe for the plucking.

      Obama -- "leading from behind."

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  5. Iran has a nuclear agreement with a liar. In two years, there will no longer be an agreement, since the liar will be gone and the Israeli's will bomb Iran's facilities.

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    1. In other words, the agreement, far from creating "peace", leads inevitably to a general Middle East war.

      Thanks, Mr. "Nobel Peace Prize"!

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    2. FJ,
      World War M is already in its early stages.

      I expect that Saudi Arabia is ramping up -- big time.

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    3. If Iran continues its development then, yes, you will likely see Saudi, Turkey and Egypt start making moves.

      Now, you have two choices:

      1. Negotiate a settlement. Unfortunately the right is joining with Nuttyyahoo to block this option completely, even before the nature of the agreement is completely revealed.

      2. Status quo with the danger that Nuttyyahoo will do something really stupid like try to bomb Iran.

      What is the liklihood of getting all these players to behave? Not good but they well be sensible enough to realize that there are so many splinter freak groups now that nuclear escalation is an incredibly dangerous game to play.

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    5. "This" settlement pretends to do something to stop Iran from getting a bomb. Sanctions were ACTUALLY accomplishing something to prevent it. Which would you rather have, pretense or reality?.

      Like I said, the bombing will commence in January (around the 21st) of 2017.

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    6. FJ,
      Is there any way for intelligence to gain any reliable information about Fordow.

      Taking Iran's word for cessations of such deeply-hidden facilities is stupid

      Supposedly, the centrifuges that Iran has right now are quite primitive and outdated. If trade opens up (sanctions eased, etc.), will Iran then obtain more efficient centrifuges?

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    7. At least twice, Obama has reminded us ofthis:

      After the 1979 revolution, a clandestine nuclear weapons research program was disbanded by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1902–1989), who considered such weapons as haram (sinful) and forbidden as unethical and immoral in Muslim jurisprudence.

      Did Obama mentioned that the "forward-thinking" ayatollah died in 1989? Nope. And what has Iran been doing in the meantime? Abiding by any such fatwa? **snort**

      I don't believe in unicorns. Apparently a lot of people today do believe in them, however. **snort again**

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    8. Furthermore (from the above link):

      In November 2011, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors criticized Iran after an IAEA report concluded that before 2003 Iran likely had undertaken research and experiments geared to developing a nuclear weapons capability. The IAEA report details allegations that Iran conducted studies related to nuclear weapons design, including detonator development, the multiple-point initiation of high explosives, and experiments involving nuclear payload integration into a missile delivery vehicle.

      Maybe the world will end with a bang and not a whimper after all.

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    9. Fordo was inspected by the IAEC, or so they say. But that doesn't mean squat for all their "undisclosed" facilities.

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  6. One important piece of truth:

    Today is Good Friday, the day Jesus Christ was brutally put to death –– a willing victim –– a human sacrifice –– for the sake of all humanity.

    I've tried to mark the occasion with appropriate solemnity and reverence at my blog.

    http://freethinkesblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/christ-crucified-thomas-eakins-1880.html#comment-form

    As for the Middle East today it seems to have made little or no progress since the time Jesus lived as a mortal man among men. Could that be, because the entire region –– including Israel –– rejected Jesus and thus failed to benefit from the Meaning and Purpose of His Life and Sacrifice?

    I tend to think so. We could all do with a lot less talking, a lot less griping, a lot less fear mongering, and a lot more praying both for our personal salvation and to show –– and hopefully generate –– confidence in the ever-present redeeming power of Almighty God.

    He cannot help us, unless we acknowledge His Presence –– and his Authority. Those who cannot bring themselves even to hope that He exists are not rejected or condemned, but indifference or hostility to the idea that He lives brings about its own punishment –– the anxiety, anger, dejection, bitterness, harshness, and perpetual dissatisfaction that comes with cynicism or the worship of false gods.

    May Heaven bless us with a REAWAKENING of FAITH, for without it we are doomed to fall by the wayside.

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    1. Amen, FT. Bless-ed Good Friday to you.

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  7. Damn little of anything we hear or read is "truth."

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    1. Adrienne,
      Indeed!

      Keep the people uninformed or misinformed, and control the sheeple.

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  8. It boils down to something as simple as this: They want all nonbelievers converted or dead, and we are the them.

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    1. Odie,
      Yes.

      Those who ignore that reality do so at their own peril.

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  9. Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?
    And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

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  10. Silver... why is it that when the labor news is good, it is because the books have been cooked and the numbers are not to be believed, yet when they are not so good, conservatives are quick to pounce and accept those numbers as Gospel?

    I've addressed you because you generally are an honest broker regarding ideas.

    I've got to the point of being tired of the constant carping from both sides and with people looking for ideological solutions as opposed to solutions based in reality.

    As for the Iranian framework agreement, what real world solutions, that will benefit the US are there?

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    1. Dave, It was a simple observation. I can't recall another period of time besides the Obama administration when economic data is announced, trumpeted! and then a month later revised downward.

      They announced jobs numbers this morning on the radio, and then added parenthetically that last month's numbers had been revised downward. That is why I made that statement.

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    2. Silver, those numbers have been adjusted for years, across many admins... I'm not doubting there will be movement... sometimes those numbers have been up, others down.

      My beef is with people, some of whom commented here today, that, as I mentioned, call the books cooked when they look good for Obama, and bastions of truth when they look bad for him.

      I don't recall people questioning other admins at this level in the past when we've had revisions, or when they disliked whomever the pres was.

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    3. Silverfiddle, monthly economic data is nearly always revised.

      This is nothing new and like the right trying to have us believe Obama is responsible for changing the unemployment definition it's just another example of Obama derangement Syndrome.

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  11. Tell it to the Man in the MoonApril 3, 2015 at 11:51:00 AM EDT

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  12. AOW... to the question of truth... "Truly" I wish I had a simple answer that could be applied objectively across beliefs, actions, and happenings... It's a question that has flummoxed philosophers for centuries.

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    1. Dave,
      Won't happen this side of eternity, IMO.

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  13. AOW... probably true... have a good Easter weekend...

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  14. They are dancing in the streets of Tehran. WHOOPIE!

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  15. A changed Iran? Obama aides divided (emphasis mine):

    Both President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry have suggested that a nuclear deal with Iran could be a step towards thawed relations between Washington and Tehran. But experts and even some senior administration officials are more skeptical, warning that a deal might not moderate Iran’s clerical regime and could even embolden it.

    IMO, it is the latter: emboldening.

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    1. Sure...the sanctions are lessened; the regime has the attention of the public who'd been suffering from sanctions. It's a win/win for the mullahs.
      EMBOLDENED isn't even a strong enough word.

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  16. Why would anyone in their right mind believe anything this administration has to say about anything?

    Our (soon to be former) allies sure don't.

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    1. Warren,
      These present supporters of the Obama administration believe in unicorns -- or something.

      There may also be in play "the magical Negro."

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    2. Warren,
      From this 2007 Los Angeles Times article about the Magic Negro:

      As EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House.

      But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro."

      [...]

      Obama's fame right now has little to do with his political record or what he's written in his two (count 'em) books, or even what he's actually said in those stem-winders. It's the way he's said it that counts the most. It's his manner, which, as presidential hopeful Sen. Joe Biden ham-fistedly reminded us, is "articulate." His tone is always genial, his voice warm and unthreatening, and he hasn't called his opponents names (despite being baited by the media).

      Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn't project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him.

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  17. Good luck with this one. Obama and Iran are really made for each other. They are both populist propagandists that are totally unhindered by the truth.

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