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Liberal entitlement-state dream is crumbling at
CNBC. First two paragraphs:
May I ask this question? Why is it that Americans don't have the freedom to choose their own health insurance? I just don't get it. Why must the liberal nanny state make decisions for us? We can make them ourselves, thank you very much. It's like choosing a car, buying a home or investing in a stock. We can handle it.
So why must the government tell me and everyone else what we can and cannot buy?
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ReplyDeleteYour comment is a waste of broadband space.
DeleteI expressed no outrage in this blog post. The author of the CNBC essay did. Contact him with your concerns.
The Obama administration has said it is working around the clock to fix the website by the end of November. WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?
ReplyDeleteNot more. Less.
DeleteA government that bursts its constitutional bounds and attempts to be all things to all people ends up wrecking everything, and that is what we are seeing.
This is not a criticism aimed just at our president, but at the progressive big government statists of all parties.
Less than ten percent of the population had a real problem insuring themselves (all could access health care, by law). Government addressed a 10% problem with a 100% solution. Stupid.
It would have been tens of billions of dollars cheaper to simply buy health insurance (or pay for the health care) for those who could not themselves.
Worse, government intervention in the marketplace distorts it in manifold ways. A market function is price discovery. People not seeing the full price stifles this, as does government intervention.
The website debacle is is just the tip of the iceberg. They are fools if they think they can control such a large market.
Oops... Just noticed I'm answering a counterfeit Shaw Kenaw... My answer still stands, though.
DeleteSilverfiddle,
DeleteThe blogosphere is inflicted of late with imposters. This infliction goes well beyond sock puppets, which can actually be a bit of fun.
Not sure of the date for this: The White House Website Still Shows the Original “You Can Keep Your Plan” Promise. More information at the link -- including screen shots.
ReplyDelete" WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?"
ReplyDeleteWell, for starters, scrap the whole mess and the immediate resignation of: B.O., Pelosi, Reid and all others responsible for this entire travesty. The "website" is merely the "tip of the iceberg!
Jon,
DeleteThe "website" is merely the "tip of the iceberg!
I agree. And the continued defenses and denials will serve only to make matters even worse.
As I said on "Z"'s blog, I will continue to emphasize this, because our leftist “Progressive” friends will not, there are only two choices of reasonable conclusions re Obamacare and Barack Obama:
ReplyDelete1. He is a shameless, blatant, calculated, and deliberate liar with no conscience or sense of remorse and no concern about how many people get hurt
********OR********
2. He is the most ignorant, incompetent, clueless, and willfully stupid person to have ever occupied the White House.
Take your pick., I think Both fit.
Rottweiler,
DeleteI think is more #1 than #2. He's actively promoting his version of a new world order.
As for WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?, an admission of the following from Obama's mouth along with the words "I deliberately kept this information from you":
ReplyDeleteEliminating certain health plans from the market...is a feature, not a bug, of the Affordable Care Act.
Fixing problems with the ObamaCare web site will do nothing to prevent the cancellation notices. As the WaPo noted in the link above:
What Obama isn't offering is an apology for the cancellation notices themselves.
ObamaCare is nothing more than another "progressive" program to redistribute wealth". This time most of the wealth to be redistributed is coming from the middle-class. It comes in penalties (taxes) and in higher premiums, and deductibles and co-pays.
ReplyDeleteThe RINOS and the DemoRats arre planning to save ObamaCare. The following is a quote from a Fox News article"
"Thursday's bill was introduced by Senators Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Mark Kirk, R-Ill., who said since the Affordable Care Act was passed, there have been “many identifiable problems exposed in the law that need to be addressed.”
“We need to start working together to fix this law and make it work so that all Americans have access to affordable and reliable health care coverage,” Manchin said in a statement. “We can start with a one-year delay of the individual mandate to eliminate penalty fees if individuals choose to not enroll for a health care plan in 2014."
Here is the link to the rest of the article"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/08/bipartisan-bill-to-delay-individual-mandate-introduced-as-obama-apologizes-over/
We are screwed!
Why?
ReplyDeleteBecause they CAN, dammit!
Now sit down and shut up like a good little subject!
I apologize for the outburst, but this does explain it. It is a raw exercise of unbridled power, and it is not limited to Democrats. We have given ourselves over to our overlords, sold ourselves into slavery for the fools gold of being taken care of.
I don't see it getting better or changing. They have the ability to make 'money' out of thin air, so they can keep the swindle going awhile longer.
HEAR! HEAR! and AMEN!
DeleteDAMN IT, indeed!
As always Shakespeare said it best:
"What fools these mortals be!"
Obamacare is 100% pure crap and liberals, progressives and socialists are running away from it, using any desperate line of bull they can concoct to blame it on others.
ReplyDeleteThey are now trying to blame this Crap Sandwich on the government shutdown, They were lying.
Once the “shutdown” of 17% of the government came to an end…they were exposed.
Obamacare was exposed for what is is...A Crap Sandwich .
Obama’s lies regarding “if you like your plan…If you like your doctor…You can KEEP them…PERIOD” were exposed.
This obscene LIE has been exposed.
MILLIONS of Americans are being kicked off their existing coverage was exposed.
And the liberal/socialist scumbags in congress who voted for Obamacare and defended Obamacare for the last 3 years are also to blame.
"ObamaCare is nothing more than another "progressive" program to redistribute wealth"."
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Yeah, it takes your money and distributes it to for profit insurers with an antitrust exception.
Let me know when you're ready for single payer, sucker.
Duck,
DeleteSingle payer can have some benefits for consumers. However, note the following:
1. Single payer typically doesn't cover certain support services (home health aide and sub-acute post-stroke therapies).
2. With single payer, medical research becomes government directed, and certain ailments are typically neglected. In the present climate, I would expect single payer to fund a lot of research involving transgender matters.
The Advantages And Disadvantages Of Single Payer Health Care -- short and balanced.
Delete"Various single payer system critics claim that this system will be centered-around the government and quite frankly various individuals don’t want to give the government this much power. This system will eradicate competition in this field, thus making it impossible for the individuals to seek health care services somewhere different."
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Total freaking nonsense.
What competition? The major insurers have an Antitrust exemption. You know what that means. Competition, come on AOW, you're an intelligent individual.
Also the fact that some people have a natural bias towards wanting the government out of any program does nothing to address the issue at hand. It just states the bias.
Now again, because this one really gets me. What Competition?
Duck,
DeleteI must disagree with some of what you said about competition.
Different policies, particularly with different companies in play, have different levels of benefits and, perhaps more important, different networks. Not to mention different limitations on the maximum-out-of-pocket amounts and "usual and allowable charges"!
I have personally switched insurance carriers so as to deal with some of the above. Single payer would not allow that option of switching carriers.
The benefit of single-payer health care is that you are allowed to sign up for the treatment of some disease, and then wait your turn. I think they call this Utopianism.
DeleteIMO, single player has a few more disadvantages, not so much in theory as in actual practice. In Canda, famous for the system, the waiting time for any proceeder is ridiculously long, fatally long in many cases. I remember actually debating health care with a 7-different-health-issues older guy and an Canadian (the older guy was considering moving to Canda). I quipped that Candian health care is horrendous, to which the Candian replied that it was amazing- it just took WAY too long. The problem does quickly become too many patients, too many diseases, too many research field and nowhere near enough doctors, hospitals or researchers to deal with them all.
DeleteSo you either get the lines of Canada, or the Death Panels of the US. Neither are a good option. I don't know what Europe does or I'd add it in. Benefits, yes, but many problems as well...
And, in my mind, it is telling that people are willing to travel TO the US to get treatment- usually people from single payer system countries! How much of the reverse do we see?
Wildstar,
DeleteMy neighbor hails from Canada and is a strong advocate of single payer. He seems to have forgotten that his mother came here for rehab following a major surgery she had; the reason for her coming here was the limitations on single payer.
Socialized medicine does quite well during an acute emergency situation: heart attack, stroke, etc. But for certain situations such as "elective" surgery and "nuisance" ailments -- not well at all (as you mentioned, long waits).
I'm curious. is Kudlow over that 20,000 a month cocaine habit?
ReplyDeleteThat's some serious Libertarian.
Apparently he has kicked the habit.
DeleteCocaine addiction is not limited to Libertarians -- Stephen King, for example.
DeleteJust sayin'.
I keep wondering why it is necessary to attack someone personally, rather than discussing their ideas. I keep wondering how many of Ducky’s past contraventions render him incredible.
DeleteSam,
DeleteDuck seems to enjoy launching ad hominem attacks.
"Let me know when you're ready for single payer, sucker."
ReplyDeleteLet me know when and how the un-funded liability of >$80,000,000,000,000, amassed by the" single payer" program known as Medicare, will be paid down. Stock and Mutual insurers must set "reserves" for such liabilities by investing in our economy, while the profits that you speak of, are returned to stock holders or mutual members. All the government system does is accumulate debt-sucker!
Average American,
ReplyDeleteWhy does everyone automatically equate health CARE with health INSURANCE???
Point taken.
I must say, however, that health insurance usually has the benefit of limiting the bills to pay.
That said, it is a fact that many, many medical bankruptcies occur even when people have health insurance. Very nearly happened to this household! Please see this. Both the health insurance company and the nursing home tried to force us onto Medicaid; being forced onto Medicaid requires first being defined as a pauper, and assets in a marriage cannot be separated -- never mind that I could prove that my assets were inherited. Over and over again, the legal advice that I received was "Get a divorce immediately!"
I also know of one family that lost everything after their daughter acquired massive brain damage as a result of a terrible car accident. The daughter got medical care, the family home was auctioned off to pay the balance on the medical bills.
ObamaCare has done nothing to address the issue of medical bankruptcy. No limit on lifetime benefits does not necessarily prevent medical bankruptcy because of the term "usual and allowable."
It's all quite complicated.
ReplyDeleteHey all you Cons who posts here all the time.
Thanks for your tax dollars! I will enjoy them in my cushy retirement, since I get a Government workers retirement. I’ll be living the high life on YOUR tax dollars.!
Have a good weekend, guys
Imposter Shaw,
DeleteGloat all you want. It boosts your ego.
The government wants to tell us what kind of car to drive, what food to eat, etc. They have already started down that path but we still have enough sane people to prevent that in some areas of the country.
ReplyDeleteDebbie
Right Truth
Ducky,
ReplyDeleteNow in all fairness when you keep referring to the "Single Payer" program, would you please tell us how you think it would work? In other words give us your comprehensive plan, instead of just an incantation of Communist/Socialist crap that you have internalized. Please give us a complete outline of a program that will provide an on-going and complete plan for Health-Care that will be actuarially sound. Here is your chance, Ducky, - go for it!
ReplyDeleteThe people could have voted Obama out in 2012, but they didn’t, instead they re-elected him. So you folks got what you wanted, what you deserved. But your President lied and screw you and me as well , and now we all have to live with the consequences. . When the Republicans shut down the government over Obamacare, the democrats, liberals, etc. sided with Your President then . But now that he lies to all of the people and you are getting dropped from your insurance company as well as I am you suddenly woke up.
Obama was then, and always will be YOUR choice.
I'm just trying to keep it on track. I suggest posters keep their eye on the ball here when they go to the polls, okay?