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Thursday, November 1, 2018

Ending Birthright Citizenship

Silverfiddle Rant!
President Trump intends to end birthright citizenship by executive order. Senator Lindsay Graham will introduce legislation ending this stupid and suicidal practice of permitting foreigners to create little US citizens.

Progressives are screaming, but at this point, their screams are drowning out their other screams, so let's cut to the chase.

What US law says:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
Source: 8 USC 1401

What the US Constitution Says:

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

What 14th Amendment drafter U.S. Senator Jacob Howard said in floor debate:

“This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

Source: Congressional Globe

What the Supreme Court Said in 1873:

The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.
Source: Slaughterhouse Cases

What the Supreme Court Said in 1884:

The persons declared to be citizens are 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.' The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.
Source: Elk v. Wilkins

Congressman Steve King has a short treatise on this issue posted at his website.  Please take five minutes to read it:

Ending Birthright Citizenship Does Not Require A Constitutional Amendment

Andrew McCarthy makes a similar argument regarding "Jurisdiction:"

Constitution Does Not Require Birthright Citizenship

Finally, Tony Mecia at the never-Trumper outhouse The Weakly Standard, makes a weak case for the opposition, citing a case of an American man of Chinese descent who had to fight for his citizenship all the way to the Supreme Court.  His parents were from China, but wait for it...  They were permanent legal residents of the US at the time of his birth.  That's the best they got, folks.


What say you?

See Also:

Revoking Birthright Citizenship Enforces the Constitution

Birthright Citizenship and its Allies

60 comments:

  1. At one local church here, a youth leader pronounced our country's immigration policies as anti-Christian. Verses cited:

    Matthew 25:35-37 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    35 for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

    (Matthew 25:43-45)

    But are these bleeding hearts really acting in support of the Kingdom of God?

    And how many of these bleeding hearts are PERSONALLY providing food and shelter IN THEIR OWN HOMES?

    There is a huge difference between individual actions and a nation state's actions, the latter of which are taxpayer supported.

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    1. ALLOW ME, PEASE to REPEAT the POEM I WROTE and POSTED YESTERDAY OSTENSIBLY for "HALLOWEEN." APPARENTLY its TRUE MEANING –– as a PARABLE in VERSE –– COMPLETELY ESCAPED MOST OBSERVERS:

      ~~ A Most Unhappy Halloween ~~

      A little child knocked at my door ––
      He looked so pallid, thin and poor
      He meekly murmured, "Trick or Treat?"
      He seemed pathetic, yet so sweet.

      My heart was touched. I did not see
      His parents hid behind the tree
      Not three feet from my open door,
      Dirty, hungry, tired, poor.

      They had used their child as bait
      Alas! I learned this much too late.
      For they rushed at me wth a knife
      I felt they meant to end my life

      But no, they just swept through my door
      And tramped all over my clean floor,
      Rifled through each dresser drawer
      Taking silver –– jewelry –– more ––

      Stuffed them in my pillow case
      Then ate the food stored in the place
      I hoped by then that they'd just go
      But when I asked, they just said "No!

      "We like it here, we're going to stay
      "You tried to lead our boy astray.
      "We mean to be your family, see?
      "Accept us, and we'll let you be.

      "Remember you abused our kid.
      "We know he'll tell the cops you did.
      "You'll have no chance 'gainst us in court,
      "So get this straight, and make it short

      "We're living here at your expense
      "You'll buy our food, we'll pay no rents.
      "That's the price for being blind
      "While believing you were kind."

      That was several years ago.
      They're with me still. They'll never go.
      They've forced me to give them the deed
      To my house, and watch them bleed

      My stock account and savings dry,
      But I won't let them see me cry.
      For them I was an easy prey,
      How long they'll let me live they never say!


      ~ FreeThinke, 10/31/18

      IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF THAT MINI-POLEMIC TO ANYONE WHO BOTHERED TO READ IT, THERE'S LITTLE HOPE FOR OUR SURVIVAL AS A SOVEREIGN NATION.

      Two precious elements that help to define a Civilizaed Society DIED in the Nineteen-SICK-sties: GOOD TASTE and COMMON SENSE.

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    2. I SHARED this "HALLOWEEN" POEM with several old friends through email yesterday. One, –– a profound leftist, Alas! –– wrote this response earlier today:

      "I've been thinking aboutt this poem for the past 24 hours, and all i can say is we've all been tired, hungry and poor at some point in our lives, and the only decent thing to do with people suffering like that is to welcome them into ur lives, share what we have, and do everythng possible to make life more comfortable and more pleasant for them.

      Anything less is selfish, insensitive, unethical, immoral and un-Christian If I had my way, it would also be illegal.

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    3. Franco,
      Your friend has turned into a brainwashed idiot.

      BTW, how many "migrants" will he personally take into his home to clothe and feed?

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    4. Leftists never think beyond the surface of their arrogant self-righteous posturing and virtue signaling designed to shame and embarass those who don't buy what they're trying to sell,

      I've never known even ONE leftist willing to to confront the obvious ramifications of their shallow-minded idiocy.

      These Mercy Freaks and Grievance Junkies, as I've called them since the SICK-sties ARE, despite having high IQ's in many instances, mentally deficient when it comes to dealing with practical reality.

      "Brainwashed" is s good a term as any when it comes to describing those who've fallen prey to the malignant sophistry and guile brought into the culture by te likes of HOWARD ZINN and his cohorts and compatriots.

      ALL of us in one way or another have become victims of THEIR higly destructive, subversive, agenda-driven MALICE.

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    5. How many "tired, hungry, poor" homeless bums has your old friend taken into his house?

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    6. Over the years, Mr. AOW and I have taken in at least two homeless bums. Americans. Each had to leave because, after a time of getting fed 3 square meals, they started doing drugs here -- one of them hardcore drugs with a syringe.

      **sigh**

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    7. Like most leftists I know, Slverfiddle, this guy –– actually the forty-five year old SON of an old school friend recently deceased –– has a sweet dispostion, and honerstly DOES mean well, BUT he's never yet realized that all the preachy, self-righteous rhetoric in which he's been steeped is entirely THEORETICAL. This family has lived in SELF-IMPOSED THIRD-WORLD STYLE POVERTY all their lives, because they want to believe that being PROSPEROUS in a world where resources are so unequally distributed nd "Income Inequlity" is so pronounced is IMMORAL.

      Consequently of course that means they have practically NOTHING to offer ANYONE, because they can hardly take care of their sadly misguided selves.

      I've known his father since second grade. I was even best man at his wedding seven-hundred years ago.

      };^)>

      Sadly my old friend and former wife both turned out to be crypto-COMMUNISTS, and sadly infected their two sons with that dismal, anti-American mental disorder.

      In latter years I could hardly stand beung around them, and I imagine the feelng was mutual. Too bad, but it is what it s, and there's no help for it.

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    8. Franco,
      has a sweet dispostion, and honerstly DOES mean well

      I know many Leftistas like that. But look how they vote? Sheesh.

      "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and all that.

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    9. "Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do."

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    10. Franco,
      Forgive? How would that apply to this context?

      BTW, I have cut off very few of my Leftista friends. Rather, they cut me off. Oh, well. I guess they couldn't stand my pointing out some of their inconsistencies (i.e., living in the lap of luxury yet espousing socialism or outright Marxism).

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  2. And recall this:

    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    Romans 13:1-2

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  3. The WEAKly Standard article on the young fellow named Ark born in the 1800's to CHINESE parents who held PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS, may be poignant, –– even compelling ––, but the court decision conferring FULL AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP on the young man was simply WRONG.

    I would agree that it was both foolish, inhumane and morally reprehensible to try to BAR young Ark's re-entry after he'd merely VISITED China at age 21 and had niver LIVED there, but what I believe SHOULD have occurred was automatic permission to return to the U.S. with the SAME status his PARENTS enjoyed perhaps with the possibility open of LATER earning full citizenship.

    By the way "PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS" may not be the SAME thing as full citizenship, but it's helluva lot better than being callously regarded as a "criminal" who only deserves to be hunted down and summarily deported.

    PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS sounds to me like an IDEAL way to deal with the hundreds of thousands –– probably MILLIONS –– of perfectly decent, hardworking illegal aliens [that's the only PROPER legal term for them!] who've lived here peacably for more than five years, worked here diligently, prospered here, own property here, consistently made a real contribution to the betterment of American society, had children here, and in some cases even served honorably in OUR Military.

    AFTER we CLOSE the BORDER by making it legally and literally IMPENETRABLE the Common Sense method of dealing with those "illegal aliens" who've truly ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES here –– and exhibited no violent criminal or anti-social behavior –– would be for congress and the president to do whatever may be necessary to confer PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS on that particular group –– but NOT full citizenship.

    In short:

    BUILD the GODDAM WALL PRONTO! –– STOP the POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED NONSENSE –– TREAT the DECENT ILLEGAL ALIENS HUMANELY –– and QUIT SHILLY SHALLYING!

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    1. I mention it not to evoke sympathy, but to present the opposition's best case example.

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    2. I think granting citizenship to Canadians and Latin Americans should be rare. Their homelands are too close, too many close enduring ties, family, frequent travel back, etc.

      Not questioning anyone's loyalty, but how many naturalized citizens from Mexico put the United States first in their hearts? How many still travel to Mexico to vote in their elections?

      For this reason, we should instead grant permanent or multiple entry/exit visas.

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    3. May great grandfather had to renounce his allegiance to the Kaiser and swear loyalty to the US. I've still got the document.

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    4. PLEASE LET ME POST THIS PROPOSED, highly PRAGMATIC RESOLUTION to the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION CRISIS once AGAIN.

      "PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS" may not be the SAME thing as full citizenship, but it's helluva lot better than being callously regarded as a "criminal" who only deserves to be hunted down and summarily deported.

      PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS sounds to me like an IDEAL way to deal with the hundreds of thousands –– probably MILLIONS –– of perfectly decent, hardworking illegal aliens [that's the only PROPER legal term for them!] who've lived here peacably for more than five years –– , worked here diligently –, prospered here ––, own property here ––, consistently made a real contribution to the betterment of American society ––, had children here ––, and in some cases even served honorably in OUR Military.

      AFTER we CLOSE the BORDER –– and ONLY after –– by making it legally and literally IMPENETRABLE the Common Sense method of dealing with those "illegal aliens" who've truly ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES here –– and exhibited no violent criminal or anti-social behavior –– would be for congress and the president to do whatever may be necessary to confer PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS on that particular group –– but NOT full citizenship.

      That would make a true –– and truly EQUITABLE –– compromise between the extremes of DEPORT THEM ALL –– and LET THEM IN TO DO ANY DAMNED THING THEY WANT.

      I write in the STANDARD ENGLISH was carefully taught to learn from my earliest conscious days at home and in school. I'm sorry if it now seems unintelligible, but that's not my fault.

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    5. Why are you shouting? I read your comment above and agreed with it.

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    6. Not "shouting" at all, just being my usual EMPHATIC self. You ought to know what t expect from me by now. };^)>

      I'll say it AGAIN: I think the distinction between "permanent resident status" and full "citizenship" is well worth emphasizing. As far I know, I have not yet heard ONE person other than myself, who has specifically and emphatically recommended conferring "permanent resident status" on illegal aliens who are already "de facto" permanent residents anyway.

      From where I sit, that's a laudable compromise that OUGHT to be acceptable to all rational people, even those who would prefer out-and-out EXPULSION, which I think both stupid and cruel for reasons I've tried to make expicitly clear for years.

      But befpre we do ANYTHING ELSE, we MUST build that WALL. And I guess I need to add that "wall" simply means an IMPENTRABLE BARRIER, which probably must involve elctronic surveillance equipment, armed guards in guntowers at straegic intervals, moats filled with piranha, deep ditches heavily larded with land mines, and a COMPLETE MORATORIUM on AIR TRAVEL by UNDOCUMNTED ALIENS from lands south of the border –– just as I heartily recommend a COMPLETE MORATORIUM on air travel from ANY and EVERY country dominated by MUSLIMS.

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    7. Oh dear! Everyone is alking. No one is listening. We're all talking PAST each there. No real communication can take place in an atmospshere llke that.

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  4. And one more thing....

    Look what happened to the OT Israelites when they, in essence, opened their kingdom to Canaanite migrants.

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    1. Yes, but at the time the Old Testament was conceived and compiled ALL the Semitic tribes in the Middle East were vicious BARBARIANS –– including the ancient Jews, even though the Jews WERE more advanced than most of their neighbors –– just as the AZTECS and INCAS were far more advanced than the peasantine Indian tribes surrondng them. Those remarkable Nuclear-Americans [ i.e.AZTECS, INCAS and MAYANS] conquered, oppressed and enslaved thse they regarded as inferior and born to be exploited..

      Despite the manifestly superior accomplishments of the Aztecs and the Incas in developing Written Language, Astrnomy, Mathematics, Agriculture, and Architecture, etc. they were STILL absolutely vicious, iinhumane BARBARIANS –– moral imbeciles in fact.

      The same ought to be said of the ancient Semitic tribes that roamed the dark deserts of Arabia.

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    2. My point was not about the barbarism of desert tribes, but rather this....Jerusalem as well as other portions of the Kingdom of Israel had walls or other barriers. But, despite warnings from Jehovah, the Israelites were led astray because of the Canaanites, many of whom sacrificed babies in the belly of the fire god. Say what you will about how barbaric the Israelites were, they did not sacrifice their babies in any such manner.

      The Israelites, in essence, voluntarily allowed their defense walls to collapse. So did the Romans, for that matter. In both of these historical cases (I'm not discussing theology here), multiculturalism allowed these peoples to lose their kingdoms. The "invaders" did not sign onto the prevailing culture which they invaded.

      The same is true of many illegal aliens in our midst today.

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    3. Yes. Regrettably, history DOES tend to repeat itself, as my high school Civics teacher said a full sixty years ago,

      "The lesson we learn from history is that we learn NOTHING from history."

      Or as the execrabletur Bob Dylan put it:

      "When wiil they ever learn?"

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    4. Pete Seeger wrote, "Where have all the flowers gone."

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    5. Free Thinker or Franco, or whatever ty heck you are called today.
      My Advice to you is to Take a seductive and see a Doctor in the My.
      I was 100 percent with you jno you started to rant and rave about the “Jews”.
      What in the world are talking about? What have the Jews done to this Country except to add to it’s betterment !
      We should be thankful to our Jewish Brothers and Sisters, for all their wonderful accomplishments.
      Free Think Again

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  5. shuld hve said this first:

    THANK YOU, SilverFiddle, for taking the time to research a comile so many salient points and signiicant factual data on the history of this stupid, unfortunate thing called Birthright Citizenship.

    I'm sure we can lay the blame for the willful MISINTERPRETATION of the Fourteenth Amendment that is now a political football on the perverse influence CULTURAL MARXISTS brought to bear on our educational system and legislative and judicial processes.

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  6. Birthright Citizenship: It´s About The Law, Not Mob Rule

    Investor´s Business Daily, by Staff

    Birthright Citizenship: President Trump´s comment that he might end birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens certainly deserves both political and legal debate over its merits. What it does NOT deserve is another shrill, nonstop "Trump is Hitler" attack by far-left Democrats and the media. "We´re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States...with all of those benefits," Trump said, in his usual blunt way. "It´s ridiculous. It´s ridiculous. And it has to end." This, as with virtually all Trump comments, has been met ...

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  7. Just declare everyone on the planet as US citizens and launch nukes to put down the insurrections.

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  8. Mr. Trump is an amazing fellow. His hardball approach to addressing important questions gets results. We have a new agreement with Canada and Mexico because he flat-out stated that he was cancelling NAFTA. Of course, we had to contend with leftist media screaming and gnashing of teeth for a few weeks, but it wasn’t long before Canada and Mexico came around to the realization that it was in their best interests to renegotiate the treaty. And then we had the situation in North Korea where a blustering, but dangerous little man suddenly realized that he wasn’t dealing with Mr. Milquetoast Obama. We’ve not heard much in the way of inane threats from North Korea’s leader lately. And of course, there is the issue of trade restrictions on Chinese made goods where the outlying issue involves China’s attempt to extend their sovereign rights to include the entire South China sea; Trump isn’t putting up with that, either. It will work out.

    Now we have Mr. Trump threatening the use of an Executive Order to clarify the issue of birthright citizenship. More fetid screaming on the left (which is always a given), but at least now there is a conversation taking place, and it is a worthwhile discussion. Given Silverfiddle’s citations, one would think that this is really a no-brainer, but we have a high-court known for its selective interpretation of founding law. We also have a high-court composed of four ideologues, four constitutionalists, and a Chief Justice who has shown himself to be “left leaning” in his opinions. The underlying reality to this question is that the Constitution (and its amendments) say whatever it is that the Supreme Court says that they say.

    There are two pathways to finalizing this question. The first is that the Congress will pass legislation that once and for all clarifies birthright citizenship; it would be hard to imagine that in drafting a new law, that they could ignore the intent of what Representative Bingham and Senator Howard had to say about Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment in their deliberations. On the other hand (assuming that the communists retake the House next week) there is nothing rational about leftist legislators and any bill addressing this issue could be (more than likely will be) tabled for at least two years. Under the circumstances, Trump will issue his executive order and the matter will wind up fast-tracked to the Supreme Court—the second path. Who knows how the court will decide ... I surely don’t.

    We do live in interesting times.

    Mustang

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    1. It's a given this will end up before the Supreme Court. I credit President Trump for finally seeking a definitive resolution to this.

      I hope the President coming out with this now means his legal team has been gaming out strategy and now they are ready for battle.

      This will be a battle, complete with screams of nazi, Hitler, genocide, KKK, white nationalist, racists, etc

      Also, expect a full-on Infotainment Media Complex propaganda onslaught featuring poor, starving "brown people."

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  9. Original intent was pretty clear.

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    1. Maybe, but if so, it was clear only to WHITE, Property-Owning, Prosperous MEN with an IQ above 125 who were born in the EIGHTEENTH century.

      And, as we should all know by now,even the FOUNDERS rarely agreed among themselves.

      Human nature may never alter, but WORDS and SYNTAX have mutated to the point where the language of The Bible, Shakespeare, the Founders, Jane Austen, The Bronte Sisters, George Eliot, Charles Dickens, Henry James, Edith Wharton, Oscar Wilde, and even Arthur Conan-Doyle, Noel Coward and Agatha Christie are now all-but uninteligible to Post-modern Man, who could only be considered semi-literate at best.

      Change may be inevitable and even –– at rare intervals –– GOOD ––, but unfortunately today we tend to equate DEGENERACY with healthy, needed constructive change.

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  10. Granting a select group such as certain DACAs permanent resident status thus excluding the right to vote will dry up much of the NGO funding for resettlement for new arrivals is my guess. After all, it is really all about the vote.
    Stay the power of citizenship.That should be the goal.At least at this point. Why should they otherwise complain?

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    1. IPERMANENT RESIDENTS do NOT have the rght to VOTE.

      That right is properly reserved for CITIZENS.

      A "RESIDENT" is NOT a "citizen."

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    2. The Left wants these illegals to vote. In other words, the Left is in search of a new voting bloc.

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  11. These comments were made on CNN this past Monday by Don Lemon a CNN Host, with Chris Cuomo in which he said this as the two were discussing the Pittsburgh shooting, as well as the recent murder of two black men in Kentucky.

    ‘We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them.’

    This is how the media is playing with the emotions of the people and creating problems that don't even exist in most cases.
    1. If a white person kills white person - No race will be mentioned in the headline or even in the article.
    2. If a white person kills black person - Race will be the headline and everything else related to the action will become secondary
    3. If a black person kills a black person - No race will be mentioned in the headline or even in the article.
    4. If a black person kills a white person - Most of the time, no race will be mentioned in the headline or even in the article.
    5. If a brown person kills a white person - Race will be included in the article but not necessarily it will be the headline
    6.If a brown person kills a black person - No race will be mentioned in the headline or even in the article.
    7. If a brown person kills another brown person - No race will be mentioned in the headline or even in the article.

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  12. Approximately two-thirds of the Honduran caravan that is making its way to the U.S. border is made up of adult men AGES FROM 20 TO 30, according to the Washington Examiner.

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  13. Mark Levin: Paul Ryan Is ‘Utterly Wrong’ on Birthright Citizenship

    Breitbart Video,

    by Jeff Poor

    Tuesday on his nationally syndicated radio, conservative talker Mark Levin criticized House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) for dismissing President Donald Trump’s claim in an interview with Axios that he could end the immigration policy of birthright citizenship through an executive order. Ryan contended that a president could not end birthright citizenship “with an executive order” in an interview with Lexington, KY radio station WVLK. Levin argued Ryan was incorrect and noted the history of the 14th Amendment ...

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  14. Trump didn't do a bad job today explaining why we so badly have to stop illegal migrants from coming in, literally warning them....fair enough. Since WHEN does a country NOT have the right to guard its borders? (Since Leftwingers cared more about being "nice" than destroying their country's patriotism and economy, of course).
    India, Australia and France are just 3 countries which changed their laws to prohibit making citizens out of the babies of illegals....I applaud them. Let's not forget the Chinese issue, by the way...even rich Chinese come here TO HAVE BABIES HERE....not as a byproduct, not needing help. Whole companies are set up to enable this. I'd ask WHY?
    If Trump can explain as well as he did today about how we are NOT xenophobes, how our country DESERVES not to spend billions on illegal people, how our children deserve not to get diseases which are rearing their ugly heads again, and we actually welcome legal immigrants, it could go to the Supreme Court sooner than I think it will. I pray so.
    Silverfiddle, so nice of you to write for AOW! Good stuff...I miss your commenting at Geeez.

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    1. Z,
      Trump didn't do a bad job today explaining why we so badly have to stop illegal migrants from coming in

      Because Mr. AOW's blood pressure and glucose count are on a roller coaster, I didn't get a chance to hear the whole speech. I will make an effort to find it.

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    2. Z,
      how our children deserve not to get diseases which are rearing their ugly heads again

      Adults, too!

      TB is rampant in some of the Central American countries -- or so I've read somewhere.

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    3. The problem is, Z, that under the U.S. immigration law a person who presents himself at a port of entry and claims asylum has the legal right to be assigned a case number and be admitted awaiting a hearing. The wait for a hearing can be more than a year.
      So Trump is purposefully ignoring U.S. law, something he's mastered.

      The immigration laws are indeed unwieldy and need attention but we aren't going to get anywhere with the president using the issue to stir up fear in his base just before the midterm. Nothing moves the right like fear.

      Myself, who you would call an extreme Marxist out of ignorance, I would support birthright citizenship being limited to children with at least one permanent resident parent.
      I also favor permanent residency eligibility for DACA.
      I think the refugees are often economic migrants and that's a tough issue to deal with.
      I believe there is no firm source delineating the cost of immigration and it may in fact be a positive.
      I believe that lauding the POTUS for acting like a fascist fear monger and calling these people everything but children of God is seriously wrong minded.
      I do not believe we have a responsibility to be nice rather we have a responsibility to be just especially considering our history in the region.
      I believe we should continue to support the World Health Organization which has helped achieve dramatic drops in the TB rate in central america.

      If that makes me a Marxist I wear the label with pride.

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    4. "Confuseus" say:

      "Man who speak with forked tongue may be snake snake."

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    5. @ Ducky

      A few points, if I may.

      We agree that the immigration system is overwhelmed. Maybe we need a few more federal judges to hear these cases. On the other hand, it is also possible that the system is being intentionally overwhelmed. I would say that if you have third-party actors schooling migrants to apply for asylum, that would be an indication of someone intentionally overwhelming the system. Coward-Fox Piven, anyone?

      On that note, the “right” isn’t fearful of massive numbers of people coming to America —fear has nothing to do with it and you cheapen the conversation by resorting to such statements. The right is “pissed off” that the Congress and previous administrations have manipulated immigration laws to suit their own purposes, which contrasts to what is best in our national interests. The net effect of this is that people who go through the proper channels have a waiting time of up to five years before their applications are considered. If we wanted to discuss fairness and justice, this would be a good place to start. Add to this a means-tested immigration policy. There is not a huge demand in our society for goat-herders. If an applicant has nothing to offer our society, why should they be here at all?

      As for asylum, it is granted to people who have a legitimate fear of persecution on account of their race, religion, nationality, or membership in a particular social group or political affiliation. Do you honestly think that any of these caravan people are legitimately persecuted within their own barrios? Fear from drug cartels, being poor, uneducated, or unemployed does not qualify one for political asylum. Imagine the US resources it would require checking out each and every claim for asylum proffered by hundreds of petitioners —which, in my view, may go a long way to explain the delay in rendering a decision. Most of these, I suppose, could be quickly and easily dismissed as frivolous claims without denying anyone “due process.”

      I don’t question that the World Health Organization has a purpose, but just for the sake of argument if that organization is doing such a great job, why are TB rates increasing in Central and South America, rather than decreasing? Not enough money, perhaps? Or is it a matter that vast sums of money (a limited resource) is being squandered?

      Finally, each and every time you call conservatives fascists, you reveal to everyone how little you know about fascism. Trump is not a fascist. I think you should take a few steps back away from the fringe; do some research on this. I’m sure it’ll make you a better arbiter of your core beliefs and who knows — you may even gain some respect from those with whom you disagree.

      Mustang

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    6. Excellent reply from Mustang which I agree every word.
      Adding to. Assume I am the most compassionate person on Earth for this discussion... There are 1.5 Billion people in India living in disgusting circumstances.

      I have no doubt 1 billion of them would love to come to America and live in American poverty (welfare). Then how many from Africa and tho other shitholes of the Earth? Where does the line get drawn?

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    7. BOY, do I admire your PATIENCE, Mustang!

      I've been observing this flippant, sarcastic, ill-natured little twerp befoul every place he visits in the blogosphere for over twenty years. I got his number long ago, and just do not want to BOTHER trying to reason with him –– or anyone else of his dismal, utterly worthless, destructive ideological persuasion..

      You might as well try to reason with a bat, a toad, a rabid dog, or a fence post.

      I long ago abandoned the idea that courtesy, kindness and giving the benefit of the doubt to LEFTISTS could be in any way productive.

      It's exactly the same as trying to be "FAIR" to the DEVIL. All you'll get for your show of respect, kindness and consideration is a kick in the shins, a knee in the groin, and axe in the neck.

      I admire your wisdom, sobriety, intelligence, and integrity, Mustang, but I wish you wouldn't waste all those excellent attributes on a committed Marxist ideologue.

      You might as well try to pee up the proverbial rope in a high wind for all the good it will produce.

      MAGA!

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    8. Mustang: Multiple Upvotes!

      Ducky started by presenting a reasonable point of view, but alas, he cannot refrain from swirling down the toilet bowl of stale, rancid leftwing propaganda smears.

      This is why we can't have nice things.

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    9. Ducky, "Point of entry" are the words one must pay attention to, and Trump is not against them going through points of entry except that too many are coming and jamming our court systems into oblivion.
      Glad you find yourself such an upstanding, kind citizen; I put Americans first. So sue me.

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    10. Mustang, I think if we were to drill down a bit we would find that there is a good deal of commonality in our views on immigration.
      I will point out that except in El Salvador both TB incidence and mortality are down in central america.

      As for my use of the term "fascist". I use it more in the vernacular to describe a cheap would be autocrat like Trump rather than a strictly technical usage. I hope I'm more careful with it than you are with your scattershot use of "communist".

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    11. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/03/24/tb-cases-increase-in-u-s-for-first-time-in-23-years/?utm_term=.df0b7e16a80a
      Whooping Cough, too. There must be concern...we'd had this licked.

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  15. We conservatives believe four very simple things about voting:

    You must be a citizen
    You must show ID
    You can’t vote more than once
    You must be alive

    Why is the left against these requirements?

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    1. Because the Left is determined to act as a DESTRUCIONIST faction, DD.

      God knows why.

      It's biting off their noses to spite their faces as far as I'm concerned.

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  16. Facts are Facts, and the real facts are that President Trump has given us
    The Lowest ever black unemployment rate✅
    The Lowest ever Hispanic unemployment✅
    The Lowest women unemployment in 60 yrs
    The Korean War is finally over ✅
    The Economy is best it has ever been✅
    Our Taxes are at 60 year low ✅
    ISIS is all but obliterated ✅
    The USA is energy independent ✅
    So what the hell is the left resisting?

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  17. THINK ABOUT THIS!
    1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k per year..
    2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
    3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
    4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
    5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided Health Care.
    And the Democrats want to allow 7200 plus more of these Invaders from Honduras, south, and Central America, etc, with dangerous “Middle Easterners” hidden in the caravan into the country? Are you insane?
    At least 75%of them are young men about 25-25 years old. And now we see them carrying flags from other Countries and burning the American flag , they were even shown drawing a swastika on the American flag, also many of them could possibly be ISIS, or other Terrorist members.?

    President Trump is doing his best to fix this.....And the more Democrats that are voted out of office the better off these people will be......

    That is why November is so important....the Democrats thrive on poverty, racism, hate and violence.

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  18. BREAKING: Woman who claimed Justice Kavanaugh raped her now admits they’ve never even met. She’s been referred to DOJ. And the FBI for investigation and could soon be in serious legal trouble.

    On September 25, 2018, staffers for Senator Kamala Harris, a Committee member, referred an undated handwritten letter to Committee investigators that her California office had received a signed letter under the alias “Jane Doe” from Oceanside, California.

    1 The letter contained highly graphic sexual-assault accusations against Judge Kavanaugh. The anonymous accuser alleged that Justice Kavanaugh and a friend had raped her “several times each” in the backseat of a car.

    2 In addition to being from an anonymous accuser, the letter listed no return address, failed to provide any time frame, and failed to provide any location — beyond an automobile — in which these alleged incidents took place.

    But the Committee took the letter seriously and even questioned Justice Kavanaugh under oath about the allegation:

    They read him the letter in full as part of the questioning.
    3 In response to the anonymous allegations, Judge Kavanaugh unequivocally stated: “The whole thing is ridiculous. Nothing ever — anything like that, nothing . . . . The whole thing is just a crock, farce, wrong, didn’t happen, not anything close.


    4 Later that day, September 26th, the Committee
    publicly released the transcript of that interview with Judge Kavanaugh, which included the full text of the Jane Doe letter
    5 The Committee then received an email from a one Judy Munro-Leighton who said she was “Jane Doe”:

    Then, on October 3, 2018, Committee staff received an email from a Ms. Judy Munro-Leighton with a subject line claiming: “I am Jane Doe from Oceanside CA — Kavanaugh raped me.”.
    6 Ms. Munro-Leighton wrote that she was “sharing with you the story of the night that Brett Kavanaugh and his friend sexually assaulted and raped me in his car” and referred to “the letter that I sent to Sen. Kamala Harris on Sept. 19 with details of this vicious assault.” She continued: “I know that Jane Doe will get no media attention, but I am deathly afraid of revealing any information about myself or my family.” She then included a typed version of the Jane Doe letter.

    But, surprise! Munro-Leighton was a liar:

    Committee investigators began investigating Ms. Munro-Leighton’s allegations. Given her relatively unique name, Committee investigators were able to use open-source research to locate Ms. Munro-Leighton and determine that she: (1) is a left-wing activist; (2) is decades older than Judge Kavanaugh; and (3) lives in neither the Washington DC area nor California, but in Kentucky. In order to investigate her sexual-assault claims, Committee investigators first attempted to reach her by phone on October 3, 2018, but were unsuccessful. On October 29, Committee investigators again attempted contact, leaving a voicemail. In response, Ms. Munro-Leighton left Committee investigators a voicemail on November 1, 2018.

    And then this genius admitted to the Committee investigators that she made the whole thing up:

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  19. Silverfiddle on Ducky and others on the Left. "This is why we can't have nice things." If only people could put our country first, if only they could fight clean and healthily and factually...if only...then we could have 'nice things.'

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    1. Plane Wreck at Los Gatos

      Fun fact: Fred Trump was Woody's landlord. Woody wrote a song about him. The hate was strong even then.

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