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Thursday, February 15, 2018

Hideous Savagery! (With Addenda Related To The February 14 School Massacre In Florida)

(with a hat tip to Infidel Bloggers Alliance)

Brian Roberto Varela (above, left); Alyssa Mae Noceda (right)
Horrific!  

Barbaric!
Sick, Sad And Twisted: Washington Teen Allegedly Rapes A Girl Dying Of An Overdose Before Using Her Thumb To Break Into Her Phone:
The Herald recently reported Lynnwood resident, 19-year-old Brian Roberto Varela, could face charges of rape, manslaughter and homicide by controlled substance. According to police, the suspect allegedly bragged about sexually assaulting his victim as she died while overdosing on Percocet pills and liquid THC.

It is reported Varela then attempted to cover up her death by hacking into her cellphone.

During the incident, Varela is said to have sent a group message to friends that showed a “a semi-nude, unconscious young woman with swollen blue lips.” Court papers say the picture included the following caption:

“LOL I think she od’d, still breathing.”

According to The Herald, reports say Varela used a slang word for sex and suggested he’d been engaging in intercourse with her “to pass the time.”

Police identified the young woman as Alyssa Mae Noceda, an 18-year-old Mariner High School student. Noceda’s mother says her daughter had gone to a party Saturday evening in a mobile home park in the 400 block of Lakeview Road, where she met Varela.

Varela’s roommate tells police he saw Noceda alive after 9 p.m. on Saturday. The next morning Varela came to get him for help and told him the young women [sic] had “snorted a line of crushed Percocet pills, took a ‘dab’ of liquid THC and passed out.” The roommate says he advised Varela to call police, but he didn’t and instead went to work a double shift at the local Dairy Queen.

At the icecream parlor Varela shared with coworkers that he engaged in sexual intercourse with Noceda while she was passed out and afterwards considered taking her to the hospital but ultimately decided he was “too tired” to do so. He admitted the young woman seemed “out of it” during sex. Varela states he fell asleep around 4:30 a.m., woke up to find Noceda cold and stiff, and then showed his roommates the body. After work, Varela grabbed a plastic tub from his mother’s house to dispose of the body. He washed the body to try and remove any DNA after researching how to get rid of a dead body on-line. [Other sources relate that he broke her legs so as to fit her body into the crate]  He also used the dead woman’s thumb to unlock her iPhone 8, to make a post on the app Snapchat that would make people think she’d run away from home.
Read the article in The Herald HERE.

How is it that a moral compass could be as askew as that of Brian Roberto Valero?

ADDENDA

Nikolas Cruz: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Also see this at Pamela Geller's site: Islamic/Antifa links of Florida Mass Shooter

127 comments:

  1. Given his statements as well as accounts by those who knew him, I'm not seeing how Geller is linking him to Islam. Of course, this being her meal ticket, I suppose I can guess why she is making the claim.

    - CI

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    1. Read the "5 facts" article.
      It debunks Geller (disgusting person).

      I saw an interesting post on another blog relative to the Florida shooting:

      "No Way To Prevent This Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."

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    2. Pamela seems to have some screen shots --Facebook, I think.

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    3. Gina Tanqueray said

      It is not Pamela Geller who is disgusting; it is that miserable Quackster.

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    4. Gladd Tidings said

      O Frabjous Day, Calloo Callay!

      25,200.44 up 306.95 (23%)

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    5. CI,
      I don't see that political or religious motivation had anything to do with this massacre.

      At best, he is an angry young man; at worst, a schizophrenic and/or a sociopath.

      Did he have any friends at all?

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    6. Exactly. Much like the firearm in question had nothing to do with the aspiration to carnage...though that isn't stoping the virtue-signaling Statists from lying about the AR15.

      They dishonor the victims.

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  2. How is it that a moral compass could be as askew as that of Brian Roberto Valero?

    I blame the confusion on the post-WWII economic order which manifested more fully in the 1960's. :)

    Once upon a time, there were 3 forms of social relations. Soon, there will only be two.

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    1. The Monitor said

      No. It's CULTURAL MARXISM, stupid.

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    2. Not when the "solution" being advocated by it's proponents are "contractually" oriented (direct consent). Sex (in the absence of marriage) is gradually being reduced to a form of "legalized prostitution". Get used to the idea.

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    3. Claratara Diddler said

      TOSH!

      ALL of these latter-day perversions of sanity, decency and common sernse are rooted in MARXISM. PERIOD!

      Marxism in all its many hideous forms is the ANTITHESIS of CHRISTIANITY. An attempt to KILL GOD and all awareness of and reliance on SPIRIT by falsifying history, defaming GOD's only begotten Son, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

      MARXISM is, therefore, a work of SATAN –– i.e. PURE EVIL.

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    4. from my link above:

      Indeed, the famous description of the capitalist dynamics in Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' Communist Manifesto should be supplemented by the fact that global capitalism has seen sexual "one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible." And that, also in the domain of sexual practices, "all that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned." Because perhaps capitalism tends to replace the standard normative heterosexuality with a proliferation of unstable shifting identities and/or orientations?

      Today’s celebration of “minorities” and “marginals” is the predominant majority position – even alt-rightists who complain about the terror of liberal political correctness present themselves as protectors of an endangered minority. Or take those critics of patriarchy who attack it as if it was still a hegemonic position, ignoring what Marx and Engels wrote more than 150 years ago, in the first chapter of their aforementioned tome: "the bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations.” But this is still ignored by those leftist cultural theorists who focus their critique on patriarchal ideology and practice.

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    6. @Joe Conservative -- Sex (in the absence of marriage) is gradually being reduced to a form of "legalized prostitution".
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      Godard covered this idea in depth back in the day maybe best in Une Femme Mariée which puts capitalism not the absence of marriage at the root of the problem.

      I think Godard's thesis that capitalism turns everything into a commodity deserves attention.

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    7. Communality (aka "the benevolent patriarchy" of the nuclear family) is being replaced by Reciprocity (reciprocal altruism - capitalism). The kid in AoW's example has been socialized to believe that girls want sex as much as guys. But how to "negotiate" these new economically based "social relations"? It is a puzzlement.

      Indeed, some intelligent feminists noted long ago that if we try to imagine a wholly politically correct courtship, we get uncannily close to a formal market contract. The problem is that sexuality, power, and violence are much more intimately intertwined than we may expect it so that also elements of what is considered brutality can be sexualized, i.e., libidinally invested – after all, sadism and masochism are forms of sexual activity. As a result, sexuality purified of violence and power games can well end up getting desexualized.

      As the boy's awkwards Tweets suggest, we need a new language to reflect the changed social landscape.

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    8. ...and I agree with Godard. He was spot on!

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    9. And what has happened, in between, is that the sexual emancipation of women (i.e. their ability to freely assume a social life as active sexual) was itself commodified. While it’s true to say women are no longer perceived as passive objects of male desire, it’s also the case that their active sexuality itself now equates (in male eyes) to their permanent availability and readiness to engage in sexual interaction.

      In these new circumstances, forcefully saying NO isn’t considered mere self-victimization since it implies the rejection of this new form of sexual subjectivization of women, and demands women not only passively submit to male sexual domination but act as if they actively want it.

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    10. The "solution" to the "gun problem" is obviously a new "commodity". A "West-World" type weapon that only kills "non-humans"...

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    11. This is the Spenglerian "Faustian Civilization" (or epoch), after all.

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    12. btw - Don't we all agree that Trump needs a younger "trophy wife"?

      ;)

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    14. ...and what happens in Mar-A-Lago, STAYS in Mar-A-Lago!

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    15. Paolo Pelagiusso said

      BALDERDASH! HOGWASH! TOMMYROT! STUFF and NONSENSE! TOSH and TARRADIDDLE! CACCA! HORSE MANURE! BOLLOCKS!

      Marxian Dialectics are the ROOT and PRIME MOVER of Modern-post-Modern SOCIETAL DECAY and DEGENERATION.


      Of course if you'd prefer to blame INDUSTRIALIZATION, I wouldn't give you much of an argument, because –– face it –– without DARK SATANIC MILLS and COAL MINES there would have been no MARX.

      HISTORY is one long series of CHAIN REACTIONS.

      Your current pet bete noir GOLBAL CAPITALISM is just another reaction to and attempt to defend against the ravages of MARXISM.

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    16. It is worth pondering the dismal fact that we one of the most prosperous nation on earth and also one of the most violent.

      The other nation up there on top with us are all sh*tholes.

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    17. I believe Alexander Tyler summed it up brilliantly –– and SUCCINCTLY –– way back in the 18th-century. You remember his "cycle" I'm sure.

      In fact looking back I've come ti believe HUMAN DEVELOPMENT reached its ZENITH in the eighteenth-century.

      Once the Industrial Revolution kicked in we started losing ground.

      Our gains since the mid-nineteenth-century have been largely material and technological.

      Since we do not live by "bread" alone, the great rush to make life "easier" and everything happen with ever-increasing speed has left us spiritually famished.

      Our souls are ao alarmingly undernourished it seems obvious we are in danger of losing them –– the true meaning of Perdition,

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    18. It's no coincidence that modern capitalism (enabling mechanism) and the industrial revolution "launched" at the same time, dontcha think, FT?

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    19. The ROOT of the problem is the lazy, selfish, short-sighted human penchamt for wanting to get MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE, CHEAPER and CHEAPER and CHEAPER and CHEAPER and CHEAPER at FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER RATES of SPEED to make life EASIER and EASIER and EASIER –– which of course it never does.

      The process of achieving mass production at greater speed, followed by automation, and now robotization has only created a whole new set of social and econmic problems as it contiunally degrades the human condition.

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    20. _______ To Promote Inner Peace _______

      Divorce yourself from everything that's "pop"
      
Visualize a cabin in the pines

      Close by a silver lake or sparkling stream

      Detached from every aspect of the grid.
      Chop wood, fetch water so you may survive
      
Eating fresh caught fish or game you kill

      Along with berries, nuts, and tasty leaves.
      
Carry with you a supply of books

      Writing paper and a clutch of pens

      Allow yourself an oil lamp for the night
.
      Embrace austerity, and get to know 

      Yourself, and only what may be essential

      To survival in the coming winter months.
      
Emulating Thoreau may provide

      The antidote to hellish modern life.



      ~ FreeThinke

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    21. ____________ STILLNESS ____________

      No sound beyond the dropping of the leaves
      Or shushing in the treetops of the stirring
      In the air and periodic whirring
      Soft of wings and bundling of sheaves ––

      Every now and then a bird may call
      Looking for or longing for his mate;
      Escaping still the hunter’s dinner plate.
      Scythes swish steadily as grain grown tall

      Submits to delicate compelling force.
      Workers silently bent to their task
      Over whom hot sunshine spills its rays

      Reap swiftly knowing pain could come, of course.
      Later, in the afterglow they’ll bask
      Dreaming foolishly of better days.


      ~ FreeThinke

      [NOTE: This sonnet was inspired by Brueghel's painting of The Reapers - mid 1500's]

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    22. Modern capitalism wasn't a problem before it went "global" in '45 (post WWII). At that point, the nation state lost control of it's ability to tax global corporate entities. And at THAT point, global capital took the path of "least taxation" and first jobs were off-shored to increasingly more able and capable second & third world workers, and the elites focused upon shoring up a newly created UN with politically controlled NGOs like the IPCC and "universalized" human (read: economic) rights.

      Americans were no longer citizens. They were a "market" to be served.

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    23. Yes, FJ, but, as I said many times in many places for many years, the phenomenon you describe so well would in all likelihood never have developed as it has, if "Progressivism" (a quasi-crypto-Marxist model of governance) had not begun its policy of official GOVERNMENTAL tampering with BUSINESS and COMMERCE .

      It is Business's attempt to DEFEND itself from Goverment Meddling that created the situation you outline.

      The ROOT of the economic and social problems we face today is the utter VILENESS of the Collectivist Ethos.

      I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you don't go back far enough in your thinking.

      PS: I think in your last sentence, FJ, you meant "Americans were no longer citizens. They were "market" to be EXPLOITED."

      Probably, but the antidote to that could be found un better, more honest, more realistic EDUCATION –– not in more and more restrictive LEGISLATION, more WARS, more windy, esoteric, futile INTELLECUALIZATION, or –– Heaven help us! –– more MARXIAN INDOCTRINATION.

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    24. Think FT. Would there ever have been a Marx in the absence of capitalist exploitation of the surplus values derived from the division of labour?

      Marxism is ALSO a symptom.

      The "solution" is to dissolve the special privileges enforced by the government in favour of corporate organized economic structures.

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    25. No more "lower tax rates". No more "lower taxes for dividend income". No more "liability protection" for corporate forms. No more "corporate personhood".

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    26. PS: I believe I signaled some agreement with your position,Thersites, when I said –– somewhere in this bewildering forest of verbiage –– that it might be better to name INDUTRALIZATION as the villain in the piece, since Marxism would most likely never have become the vicious menace it is, if The Machine Age and resultant Mass Production had not overtaken us.

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    27. So which "problem" should we treat? The one that created the problem (modern capitalism) or the symptoms (Marxism/Industrialization) thereof. That's all I'm saying.

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    28. I propose we treat the disease, and let the symptoms whither of their own accord.

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  3. Question....

    Help me out here.

    Relatively recently there was a mass shooting whose ideologies were all over the map on his FB page.

    Does anyone here remember who that was?

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  4. Saul of Tarsus said

    Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

    And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

    Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.


    ~ St. Paul ro the Philippians 4:6-9 (KJV)

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  5. Rosette Stein said

    War Crimes, as Defined by Leftists

    ___________________ or ___________________

    WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT CHEMICAL WEAPONS?

    Apparently, it’s AOK 
    To mow ‘em down with bullets,
    But don’t dare try to kill ‘em off 
    By poisoning their pullets.

    It’s all right too when bombs 
    Rain from aloft or on the level,
    But when you kill with poison gas, 
    You’re in league with the Devil.

    Lock ‘em in a building,
    Then burn it to the ground.
    By judges at The Hague
    You’ll not be guilty found.

    Go drag them from their cells
    Into a courtyard to be shot.
    The World Court will not chide you,
    Nor tell you “Thou shalt not.”

    Take mothers, babies, toddlers ––
    Grandmas –– anyone who thrives,
    Then hack them with machetes 
    And bayonets to end their lives.

    Rape and loot and strangle,
    Garrote or stab at will ––
    Of you The World Community, 
    I promise, won’t think ill.

    Set ‘em loose in wood or field,
    Then hunt ‘em down like game;
    Let half-dead bodies lie unhealed.
    You won’t lose your good name.

    Rob and cripple, maim at will ––
    Dislocate their joints.
    Multiculturalists will know
    You must have your good points.

    Gouge their eyes out, slit each tongue.
    Sodomize, impale their young.
    Club ‘em down, then crush with tractors.
    Brussels won’t call you bad actors.

    BUT, urinate upon the corpse
    Who tortured your best buddy,
    And you’ll be tossed in the stockade
    With nose broken and bloody.

    And should you dare to wipe yourself
    With leaves from the the Koran,
    ‘Tis YOU The World Community
    Will call BARBARIAN!


    ~ Rosetta Stein

    _______________________________
    The Left LOVES machineguns in the hands of terrorists, dissidents, pirates, thieves, and marauders of all kinds –– ANYONE who UPENDS GOOD ORDER and DESTABILIZES the STATUS QUO –– , but absolutely CAN'T STAND the idea that any decent, law-abiding Americn Citizen should have guns in his home to PROTECT HIMSELF and HIS FAMILY from ATTACK by those very fiends whom the Left so ADORES.

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    1. "A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group."

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      Looks like he on your side of the spectrum, FreeThinke.

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    2. He was also a former member of the school's "JROTC" program, mcDuck. Are you saying that the school shooting were simply some friendly fire collateral damage?

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    3. Flesruoy K. Cufog said


      Too bad the SOB didn't target EVERETT, MASS! Might'a picked you off.If he was going to stage an auto da fe, he could at least have picked a worthy target, and helped rid the world of some of its vermin.

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    4. ps - They're walking back the militia ties, seems the leader of the militia is a publicity hound.

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  6. We are a sick, vulgar violent nation.

    Our nation's global ranking on Non-gun violence like assaults and rapes track with our murder and gun violence rankings

    Hollywood celebrates and glorifies violence.

    First person shooter video games are the biggest sellers.

    Loss of a shared morality

    Destruction of the family unit, including being a highly mobile society, with people no longer connected to extended family and kith and kin communities they grew up in.

    Mental illness, which our nation at every level is sickeningly incapable of addressing.

    25-40% of people at any given time are on psychotrophic drugs and other medications for anxiety, ADD, etc.

    80's crack babies are now adults, as are children who grew up eating paint chips, playing violent video games, and witnessing adults model bad, violent and self-destructive behavior.

    American pop culture celebrates stupidity, violence, scamming, drugs, perversion and every one of the Seven Deadly Sins, in the major and minor keys.

    We are an unserious nation of self-indulgent retards wallowing in our own crapulence.

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    1. SF,
      Agreed!

      Also, no longer do our public schools have core readers which promote a moral ethos. So much moral relativity and darkness -- even in elementary school reading! I'm finding out more and more about that now that I tutor a 3rd grade public school student.

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    2. We are an unserious nation of self-indulgent retards wallowing in our own crapulence.

      This.

      We've devolved into a disposable society, where most people seemingly don't undertake any activity, if not to be able to post it to social media.

      But we get the entertainment value of seeing the profound ignorance of the Statists....who rely on the worthless currency of lies and misinformation.....because they believe their listeners to be stupid. "Common sense", "easy access"....and my personal favorite -"weapons of war!!!!".....are once again being dragged across the still warm bodies by those dancing and waving the bloody shirt.

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    3. Alsosprach Jeremiah! said

      "We're dung and we mjgh as well be spread."

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    4. Saint Nicholas asaid

      "We're DUNG, and we might as well be SPREAD?"


      HO HO HO! That's RICH!

      <);^}>

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    5. I see tremendous practical wisdom in this famous poem. Poems are not just "pretty things" meant to be enjoyed and admired. Good ones –– and even some mediocre ones –– read with understanding of how points raised can –– and should –– apply to everyday life can have a TRANSFORMATIVE, TONIC effect on the course of individual lives.

      This, of course, is true too for Music, Art, Drama, Literature, Architecture, Interor Decoration and Landscaping. When these things are done beautifully, they have a tonic effect. When produced in a cheap, coarse, vulgar, purely imitative, sensatinalistic or cynically acquisitive manner, they have the oppsite effect.


      ___________ SOLITUDE ___________

      Laugh, and the world laughs with you;
      Weep, and you weep alone;
      For the sad old earth must borrow its mirth,
      But has trouble enough of its own.
      Sing, and the hills will answer;
      Sigh, it is lost on the air;
      The echoes bound to a joyful sound,
      But shrink from voicing care.

      Rejoice, and men will seek you;
      Grieve, and they turn and go;
      They want full measure of all your pleasure,
      But they do not need your woe.
      Be glad, and your friends are many;
      Be sad, and you lose them all,—
      There are none to decline your nectared wine,
      But alone you must drink life’s gall.

      Feast, and your halls are crowded;
      Fast, and the world goes by.
      Succeed and give, and it helps you live,
      But no man can help you die.
      There is room in the halls of pleasure
      For a large and lordly train,
      But one by one we must all file on
      Through the narrow aisles of pain.


      ~ Ella Wheeler Wilcox (1850-1919)

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    6. I'll buy that!

      I had heard the first two lines, but I did not know they came from a poem. Thank you for enlightening me.

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    1. In the absence of an actual "crime", what CAN the FBI (or any Constitutionally bound authorities) do?

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  8. Marion said

    Rejoice, Ye pure in heart.
    Rejoice, give thanks and sing!


    O Frabjous Day, Calloo Callay!

    25,200.44 up 306.95 (23%)

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  9. Here is something interesting -- at least to me....Heavy.com mentions autism:

    ...The family member said Nikolas Cruz had been diagnosed with autism and Lynda had sought counseling for him from a young age.

    “She did her best getting him any help he needed,” the family member told the newspaper....


    I am convinced that the vast majority of those on the autism spectrum are not violent. But I know for a fact that a few are -- and dangerous, at that.

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    1. Has anyone ever determined the CAUSE or CAUSES of Asperger's Syndrome and Autism, and if so, is there anything we could do to PREVENT it?

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    2. FT,
      The theories are numerous. Some theories do allow for measures to prevent autism and to treat autism.

      Most Aspies are gentle people. But I personally saw one tip over into sociopathy -- a danger to others -- so I denied him any further registration in the homeschool classes I teach.

      To this day (He's at least 20), he regularly beats his parents. The situation is out of control, and he's fed a real pharmacy of medications. To no avail.

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  10. Saw this rape story the other day. There is some real evil out there.

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    1. True enough, Kid, but why do you think that is so?

      Are some people really just "born bad," or does it develop from a poor envirpnment? bad parentng? inadequate nutrition? inadequate schooling? WHAT?

      The old Nature versus Nurture question.

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  11. One report has stated that he the police were called to the Cruz’s home dozens of time. Makes me wonder how much his parents endured.

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    1. I thought that Cruz wasn't living with his parents when he attacked the school. His mother had died? He was living with a friend and the friend's parents? Which makes me wonder, how involved was this "friend".

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    2. Here's the family history.

      I wonder if the boy hadn't been expelled (he was supposedly still seeking a GED - req'd for enlistment), if he'd be an Army Ranger today. He had an 'A' in Jr. ROTC. I think that the structure and discipline of the armed services could have possibly "salvaged" him.

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  12. As a nation, we need a strategy and permanent framework to deal with mental illness.

    We have millions wandering homeless, unemployable, some dangerous.

    We have people like Cruz identified and undergoing therapy, but all the alarm bells triggered no action to keep him from harming himself or others. Many in his situation quietly commit suicide and we never hear of it.

    We also have families grappling on their own with a mentally ill child, and most of those cases end in the the child attaining adulthood and wander off into the horde of homeless mentally ill.

    Dealing with this will be expensive, and it would involve infringing upon people's liberty, but our system of laws provide for a legal framework, rebuttable presumptions, etc, but Police, school principles, etc must be able to identify dangerous people based upon a legally-decided upon criteria, and in some cases, we must be able to temporarily detain and question them.

    Related is the responsibility of gun owners to secure their cache and not let weapons fall into the wrong hands. That includes punishing gun owners for failing to do so.

    The Sandy Hook killer's mom, had she not been murdered by him, should have been prosecuted for allowing someone she knew was mentally ill to access her weapons.

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    1. Ah, you've 'amost reached' the "Nocturnal Council" solution. Your problem will be that the "legally-decided criteria" will be "Un-Constitutional".

      Disarm Don Quixote! The man is a menace!

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    2. It's what Isaiah Berlin termed "the unavoidability of conflicting ends" or, alternatively, the "incommensurability" of values. He once called this "the only truth which I have ever found out for myself... Some of the Great Goods cannot live together.... We are doomed to choose, and every choice may entail an irreparable loss." In short, it's what Michael Ignatieff summarized as "the tragic nature of choice".

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    3. Obviously, trade-offs need to be balanced. They always do in a free society.

      Consider: Right now, police can bring someone into custody without a conviction,and there is a legal framework to keep them from just doing this willy-nilly and to also prevent them from detaining someone indefinitely.

      We have a robust legal system that can balance these off.

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    4. What do you think of Comey NOT informing the President-elect the extent to which he was the target of the Russia investigation? The "system" has been irreparably poisoned, IMO.

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    5. Don Quijote did not shoot up any schools (but he did brain somebody pretty good, drew blood, at an inn??? I think? He also got bloodied himself a few times.

      Look, my well of unquestioning trust is as dry as yours, but we can't just let mentally ill people go untreated, and if they are a danger to themselves or others then yes, they need to be locked up.

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    6. Beware of sliding into Kafka-esque situations, even Stalin-esque situations!

      And there's also this....

      How should mental illness be defined?

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    7. The Russians used to send their dissidents to mental facilities...

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    8. Unlike the Soviet Union, we have laws, and politicians, citizens, lawyers and judges argue over them.

      If we applied a very high bar: Brandishing weapons, issuing threats, we could have stopped some of this. There are already laws on the books against threatening others.

      Any government power can slide into "Kafka-esque situations."

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    9. As you have stated, these (threats/assault) are already crimes, sf.

      There is such a thing as "negative liberty"... a place where government should NOT be allowed to go. And that one place is in our "inalienable" right to believe whatever we like, even if crazy. Otherwise, as Berlin put it... the one thing which no utilitarian paradise, no promise of eternal harmony in the future within some vast organic whole will make us accept is the use of human beings as mere means--the doctoring of them until they are made to do what they do, not for the sake of the purposes which are their purposes, fulfilment of hopes which however foolish or desperate are at least their own, but for reasons which only we, the manipulators, who freely twist them for our purposes, can understand. What horrifies one about Soviet or Nazi practice is not merely the suffering and the cruelty, since although that is bad enough, it is something which history has produced too often, and to ignore its apparent inevitability is perhaps real Utopianism--no; what turns one inside out, and is indescribable, is the spectacle of one set of persons who so tamper and "get at" others that the others do their will without knowing what they are doing; and in this lose their status as free human beings, indeed as human beings at all.

      ...and as George Kennan said, "For anything undertaken in response to the will of the collectivity (in this instance the Party), no matter how distasteful, no matter how unattractive from the standpoint of individual morality, there could be no guilt, no questioning, no remorse."

      THAT is the danger we run if we begin to criminalize aspects of "mental health".

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    10. I agree with what you've written, and I don't see it contradicting my statement that if someone is brandishing weapons or issuing threats, bring them in.

      I also think we need a legal protocol for dealing with mentally ill people who are a threat to themselves or others.

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    11. I disagree with your last statement. I agree with "imminent" dangers, but once the "situation" has been dealt with or defused, let the guy go until he becomes an "imminent" threat AGAIN. No "preventative" jailing (for observation or evaluation). You should only be allowed to "hold" a mentally ill person for so long until you're required to release him (like w/ any other crime). And I don't care if he's Jack the Ripper. Until he kills, he's free.

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    12. ...and until he commits a felony, he gets to keep his guns.

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    13. If you think the man's a danger, STEAL his guns from him. If you get caught, tell it to the jury. No one will convict you.

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    14. I just refuse to let "governments" decide who's crazy. "We the people" decide.

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    15. We all agree on the dangers of an unaccountable government declaring someone crazy, confiscating their guns and incarcerating them.

      Theoretically, we have a representative government that should be able to take care of the most severe cases while respecting the liberties of law-abiding citizens.

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    16. We may frown from the early nineteenth century "vigilantism" of groups like the KKK, but we applaud the benevolt group activities of the Kiwanis, Lions, and Rotary Clubs. Government is not the only tool in a citizens toolbox. They are only our servants. Sometimes the only ones we can rely upon are ourselves, and the expectation that our neighbors/ peers will understand and acquit us of criminality.

      The government is not the answer vis mental health. They are force. We need compassion/ love for the mentally ill.

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    17. And yes, government CAN do good, but that's NOT its job.

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    18. Beantown,
      Where are the philanthropists?

      Excellent question!

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    19. Surrendered their compassion to taxpayers and government bureaucrats, no doubt!

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  13. So sorry the thread of comments went so far from your post....which has so much to do with Florida's killings....this isn't about guns as much as it is about our SICK KIDS. If this story about sex with a dying girl doesn't make us sit up and notice, NOTHING WILL. If she were shot, maybe our media'd be all over this story?

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    1. Z,
      the thread of comments went so far from your post....which has so much to do with Florida's killings....this isn't about guns as much as it is about our SICK KIDS

      Thank you for noticing the correlation between the two stories I posted!

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    2. It's about sick kids with guns (and easy access to them).

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    3. You're "easy access" is a canard. A lazy talking point.

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    1. btw - Once you've outlawed and confiscated all the guns, what will be the "punishment" for those caught with weapons that were supposed to have been turned in? Will it be GREATER than walking into a school and shooting 17 people? Because if the LATTER isn't a deterrent, what makes you think that the former will be?

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    2. Lawfare immediately creates a whole knew class of criminals. Gun confiscation resisters.

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    3. Outlaw Ritalin!

      If Cruz was in fact taking drugs for depression, his deadly outburst would follow an established pattern of mass shooters who were also on psychotropic medication.

      Perhaps the most infamous medicated school shooters were Columbine gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who tested positive for the SSRI Luvox following the deadly massacre.

      Charleston church shooter Dylan Roof was also found to be taking Suboxone, a drug linked to sudden outbursts of violence.

      But don’t expect the mainstream media to address Big Pharma’s role in mass shootings.

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    4. FJ,
      don’t expect the mainstream media to address Big Pharma’s role in mass shootings

      At this very moment, hundreds (perhaps thousands) of teachers are advising parents of elementary school students to consult a doctor so as to obtain Ritalin or the like.

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    5. No doubt.

      When in doubt, trust the experts! They really KNOW the answers.... e-r-r-r-r-r!

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    6. Our American society is misfiring in so many ways. The "symptoms" of our malaise lie everywhere.

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    7. What was "sudden' about Dylann Roof's slaughter?

      Seems it was quite premeditated, Farmer.

      Same with Columbine.

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    8. I didn't know that mental health disorders were "temporary things" that came and went? Is that what you think, McDuck?

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    9. I recall when I was on Effexor, the Doc's got REALLY upset with me when I told them I was "done with it." "You can't just start and stop taking it," they warned.

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    10. Missing doses of venlafaxine may increase your risk for relapse in your symptoms. Stopping venlafaxine abruptly may result in one or more of the following withdrawal symptoms: irritability, nausea, feeling dizzy, vomiting, nightmares, headache, and/or paresthesias (prickling, tingling sensation on the skin).

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    11. Didn't you see "A Beautiful Mind" Ducky?

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  15. More Coals to Newcastle said

    Breaking: Terrorist Plot Involving Bomb
    Making Teacher Foiled In New York City


    Daily Wire, by Ryan Saavedra

    Twin brothers in New York City were charged on Thursday after law enforcement officials executed a search warrant at their apartment and found dozens of pounds of bomb-making materials and disturbing notes.Christian Toro, who was a teacher up until December, and his brother, Tyler Toro, both face federal bomb-making counts; Christian Toro also faces a charge of distributing explosive materials to a minor, NBC New York reported.Christian Toro was arrested in January on rape charges stemming from an alleged inappropriate relationship he was having with a female student where he taught in Manhattan´s Harlem neighborhood. Christian Toro resigned his job

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  16. Fuelonda Feier said

    From Parkland to Princeton, America´s Adults Abdicate Responsibility

    PJ Media, by Roger L. Simon

    Nineteen-year-old Nikolas Cruz -- who mowed down Parkland, Florida, high school students and teachers, killing 17 and wounding many others -- had been thrown out of the same school for threatening his classmates. He had been bragging to them about having a personal armory and implying he would use it, justifiably frightening them. Subsequently he posted a photo of that armory, including assault weaponry, on Instagram as well as a photo of a target riddled with bullet holes with the recommendation to try it as "group therapy." He also posted photos of dead animals, well known as a hallmark of serial

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    1. “Assault weaponry”? “Armory”?

      Reads like a Rolling Stone or CNN article

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      Roger Simon happens to be a respected conservative commentator of longstanding. Don't you agree that too many parents are abdicating their responsibilities towards their children? Seems a tenable opinion wirth considerng to me.

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    3. Of course parents have been abdicating their responsibilities. But why dilute that message with the rhetoric of Statists?

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  17. This article is too long, and many who are atheists don't agree. Nevertheless, this part has the ring of truth:

    ...The idea that there is no God with an objective moral standard to whom we will one day give an account for every thought, word, and deed is also an idea.

    Even Ben Franklin, one of our least “religious” Founders, believed this: “I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable Service we can render to him, is doing Good to his other Children. That the Soul of Man is immortal, and will be treated with Justice in another Life respecting its Conduct in this.”


    What happens when we unhinge ourselves from the idea that, after we die, we will give an account to the most just Judge with the most unwavering moral standard who ever existed, for every action, no matter how small? Honestly. Do we expect anything good to come from that?

    Stricter gun control laws will not fix what ails us....

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    2. God IS "The Objective Moral Standard" to whom we owe unswerving allegiance.

      To deny the existence of God is to leave oneself OUT of the best way to lead a worthy and fulfilling existence, and to cast oneself into the WILDERNESS of Doubt, Feart, Envy, Spite, Malice, Greed, Cynicism, Clamoring Dissidence, Powermongering, Unbridled Licentiousness and Corruption.

      I do not necessarily agree that our Primary Concern should be how we are to be judged in an AFTERLIFE. We really do "reap what we sow" in the HERE and NOW.

      Look ar poor Harvey Weinstein right now, if you don't believe me. };-)>

      Look at LINCOLN, HITLER, MUSSOLINI, the CEAUSESCUS, –– or LARRY FLYNT too for that matter,

      I know, I'm being facetious, but I've learned from long observatiin that there are more honestly happy poor people who love God than there are rich and powerful atheists who refuse to recognkze God's ultimate Authority.

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  18. SilverFiddle stated far above:

    "We are a sick, vulgar violent nation."

    I have to disagree with that blanket condemnation, and try to refine it to a certain degree:

    We have a demented, unspeakably ugly, coarse, vulgar POPULAR CULTURE that has done incalculable harm to our integrity as a people.

    his has NOT developed from our "grass roots," rather it has been IMPOSED by scheming, unprincipled moguls with neither heart nor conscience who own and operate the organs of mass communication. These fiends understand very well how to MANIPULATE and EXP|LOIT humantity's WORST tendencies both for PROFIT –– bad enough in itself –– but also for POLITICAL purposes.

    The CULTURAL MARXIST methodology has been to infiltrate at first with great subtlety the universities, the public schools, the publishing industry, the legal profession, the political process, and of course the theater, movies, pop music, television and now even such resources on which we've grown to depend as GOOGLE. [Though they may not realize it, Silicon Valley has commited itself to live in perpetual servitude to SATAN.

    The ultimate objective of all this has been to subvert the ideals and princples which once made us thrive and blossom it greatness.

    WE are not INHERENTLY vile. Instead we have been craftily,stealthily MANEUVERED into a monumentally SELF-DESTUCTIVE MODE by EVIL GENIUSES.

    Unless and until the majority learnes to RECOGNIZE, ACJNOWLEDGE and begin to ARM ITSELF against THIS with a rejuvenated understanding of TRUTH, our destruction will soon be complete.

    Hear these words from Psalm One:

    ..."The ungodly are not so, but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."

    Yes, and WE shall perish right along with them, if we fail to revive our faith in God and seek once again to follow the dictates of a carefully, lovingly nurtured Christian Conscience.

    Don't you see the vitual ABANDONMENT of the principles set forth in Judeo-Christian doctrine as our basic GUIDING PRINCIPLE IS the very thing that has put us on collison course with our neighbors –– and each other –– and that this has NOT happened by ACCIDENT. We have been artfully DECEIVED and skillfully MANIPULATED for over a hundred years by highly-intelligent people who ADORE EVIL.

    They HATE Jesus Christ and HATE everything our former reliance on His teachings has done to improve OUR way of life and our prospects.

    Were we Perfect?

    Did we ever reach The Highest Good?

    Were our Founding Fathers and subsequent leading citizens all Paragons of Virtue? –– Saints and Angels?

    Could some of them accurately be described as CHRISTIANS?

    Did everything our great leaders accomplished always serve the highest, purest, noblest ideals?

    " OF COURSE NOT!

    Is the quick and easy answer, BUT in the main we WERE on the RIGHT TRACK.

    The twisted, –– deceptively humanistic ––, always anti-Capitalist ––, anti-Christian theories of Utopian Idealism, Hegelian-Marxism, Communism, Sociaiism, Fabianism, Fascism, Statism, Unionism. Progressivism, so-called Liberalism, and the modern Democratic Party who has ardently EMBRACED crypto-MARXISM, have fervidly worked together to DERAIL us from the "track" on which the Founders so wisely placed us.

    WE ARE WHAT WE THINK

    If you can bring yourself to believe it, what does that say to you?.

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  19. The AP analyses Dali's painting of the Invisible Man....

    Just as in "Trump-Russia", the paranoiac critical method triumphs or William of Occham AGAIN!

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  20. Has anyone ever considered the possblity that most-if-not-all these horrific "shooting sprees" could be a simple matter of "MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO?

    In my never humble opinion these ghastly events get TOO DAMNED MUCH PUBLICITY.

    When you have a society where neither parents nor schools are in any way encouraged by the Moguls of Mass Communication –– and strictly FORBIDDEN by Goverrnment Edict via SCOTUS –- to instill any clearly-defined sense of Right and Wrong that could help young minds develop a reliable Moral Compass, is it any wonder things have developed along the pernicious lines they have?

    We all start out a tabula rasa –– i.e. a bank slate. The quality of what we write, –– and expecially what is WRITTEN –– on our developing consciosuness is of VITAL importance, because –– as I could never hope to emphasize enough –– we ARE or at least we BECOME, what we are trained and encouraged to THINK and BELIEVE.

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    1. No doubt about it, copy cats now tread the well worn paths to infamy.

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    2. FT,
      We all start out a tabula rasa

      I'm not so sure that the tabula rasa is absolute. IMO, genetics matter -- how much, nobody is certain.

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  21. Hard-Core lefty social media users have spent the day viciously attacking the father of one of the victims of the horrific Florida school mass shooting over the fact that he wore a Trump 2020 t-shirt during an interview with a local news station.

    That’s right, the new America Leftist is apparently perfectly acceptable to attack and even blame the parent of a teenager who was murdered, all because his political beliefs do not line up with the leftist orthodoxy.

    Both Andrew Pollack and his wife were interviewed outside of Broward Health North hospital, hoping to hear from their daughter hours after the attack that left 17 dead and over a dozen injured. During the interview, Pollack committed the thought crime of wearing a t-shirt for his preferred presidential candidate, a fact that apparently gave leftists on twitter the cover to viciously attack him.

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