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Friday, October 6, 2017

Conversations — Ad Nauseam

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"We need to have a conversation about..."

"We need to open a dialog about..."

Or any one of the numerous variations on the above.

I've come to despise this meme, now a clichรฉ.

The latest "conversation we need to have" is that about gun control, specifically, banning bump stocks — in reaction, of course, to the horrific slaughter perpetrated by Stephen Paddock in Las Vegas on October 1, 2017.

I admit that I haven't been reading or watching the news much the past few weeks.  But I have managed to to devote some time to keeping up with current events.  My reaction:


The above said, here is a point about which I haven't noticed much coverage in the ceaseless droning and screeching of the 24/7/365 news cycle (aka the Curse of Cable News), with a hat tip to Zero Hedge, via Bunkerville:


What is your opinion regarding banning bump stocks, which, in effect and if I understand correctly, convert a one-pull-one-round rifle into a rapid-fire machine gun?

147 comments:

  1. Do not budge one inch. Not one.
    I don't have a bump stock. I can't afford to feed it. Ammo is not cheap.
    But it meets BATF mandates on one pull, one shot.
    It just allows you to pull the trigger faster.
    If you change the legal wording to ban "bump stocks" there will be collateral damage to other definitions.
    Ban Democrats from owning guns. They are historically the ones to turn them on their fellow citizens starting at Fort Sumter.

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  2. I had no idea what these bump stocks were until now. I watched a video of one in action and it appears to simulate an automatic with respect to rapid-firing. Maybe they could be on the table for 'discussion', but the problem is that the democrat agenda is to chisel away until there is nothing left of the 2nd Amendment. That's why we gird our loins and dig in whenever a democrat or late night comedian(?) opens their piehole.

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    1. Chisel?
      They want repeal of the 2A.
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html

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    2. Ed,
      They want repeal of the 2A.

      Indeed.

      That has been the goal for decades.

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  3. Forget about banning bump-stocks. Here's why. Every semi-auto weapon in the world can be turned into a machine gun with a properly dimensioned piece of wood.

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    1. You just need to press the gun's trigger "forward" against a stationary peg. That way you don't "pull the trigger," you push it, and the gun's recoil does the rest.

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    2. And that was the thrust of my first comment.
      Collateral damage to the 2A.

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    3. You're exactly right, Ed!

      Now on a similar topic, "Help Prevent Forest Fires... register MATCHES!"

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    4. There are currently millions upon millions of semi-automatic weapons in the USA. You'd have to confiscate them all and make all future semi-automatic weapons "recoil-less".

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    5. And THOSE weapons, if tricked out with an external device, would be EXTREMELY ACCURATE and ON TARGET throughout an "automatic" induced burst... FAR MORE DEADLY than the Vegas shooter.

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    6. In other words, technology drives higher rates of fire and increased accuracy. It will only get BETTER in the future. Fire and forget self-guiding bullets are almost with us now.

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    7. It's my contention that the Founders intended us to have full auto weapons.

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    8. Full auto strike anywhere matches only.
      :)

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    9. It's my contention that the Founders intended us to have full auto weapons.

      Contrary to the willful ignorance of the gun control cabal, multi-shot firearms existed even before the era of our Founders. And as studied and intellectual curious as they were, you'd better believe that they had knowledge of them [I believe TJ owned one or two] when they drafted the 2A.

      The bleat of "they could have never envisioned [black scary] "assault rifles""....is a transparent hoax.

      - CI

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    10. Beantown,
      Every semi-auto weapon in the world can be turned into a machine gun with a properly dimensioned piece of wood.

      So what would be left as an "acceptable" firearm? Bolt action only?

      What about revolvers?

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    11. Speaking of revolvers, a 20mm minigun that fires 2-6,000 rounds per minute is perfectly legal... provided it was made before 1986.

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    12. I'm sure the Left won't be happy until we're all reduced to black powder and muskets... and even then they be adding training and permit requirements.

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    13. "So what would be left as an "acceptable" firearm? Bolt action only?"
      That's the point Beantown and I were making.
      There is no increment we should accept.

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    14. from Wiki: In 1777, Philadelphia gunsmith Joseph Belton offered the Continental Congress a "new improved gun", which was capable of firing up to twenty shots in five seconds; unlike older repeaters using complex lever-action mechanisms, it used a simpler system of superposed loads, and was loaded with a single large paper cartridge. Congress requested that Belton modify 100 flintlock muskets to fire eight shots in this manner, but rescinded the order when Belton's price proved too high.

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  4. Banning bump stocks is a fools errand, for some of the reasons mentioned above. These contraptions are also ridiculous and makes an AR harder to control.

    Incrementalism is the strategy of the gun control cabal, as Nancy Pelosi admitted to yesterday. They think that they've "compromised" with regards to background checks.

    They will not rest until they've neutered the American Citizen...so F*#k 'em....not one goddamn inch.

    - CI

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    1. CI,
      I understand that your ire is up. Mine is, too, for that matter.

      But let's try not to violate the guidelines for commenting at this blog. That said, your comment stands.

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    2. Not one goddamn inch.
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      Ah, the voice of reason.

      The NRAhas been stockpiling every possible deregulation just for these days when they may have to give a little.
      So bumpstocks are somehow regulated. Big loss. The things are grossly inaccurate and not much good for anything but gun loons getting their rocks off playing Rambo or shooting up a crowd.

      The most troubling aspect of all this is not that I have to figure out how to coexist with people who feel the need to go to church strapped but the gradual (but accelerating) militarization of the culture from the useless imperial military to the police and their Halloween S.W.A.T. dress up. Armored cars for small town cops.

      Problem is those people who have firearms grafted to themselves as extensions of their personality and "not one goddamn inch".

      Then they lecture about "freedom". It is intensely sad.

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    3. No. What's sad it the perpetual erosion of Constitutional rights.....enabled and abetted by both parties.....yet one distinct party in this instance attempts to lecture about "common sense" and "reason".

      We have to figure out how to live with Statists who think that guns are evil and want the Citizen to be forced to only rely on the reactive response of agents of the State, for their protection.

      Sad doesn't begin to cut it when discussing the willful ignorance and intentional intellectual malfeasance that the gun control cult tries to fob off on the public.

      - CI

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    4. The very presence of a snotty, belligerent, perverse, pseudo-erudite champion of sophistry and guile like Canardo in the United States of America is "INTENSELY SAD," in and of itself.

      Since 1952, when I was first made aware of the Red Menace, I have been in favor of making the public practice and promotion of MARXISM and all its malignant offshoots ILLEGAL.

      Leftist ideology by its very nature is SUBVERSIVE and TREASONOUS, because it seeks to undermine and ultimate destroy our Constitution by mocking, defaming and perverting the ideals of our Founding Fathers.

      The rationale behind this attack on our very identity as a nation and as a people is rooted in the false notion that because the Founding Fathers were not SAINTS –– perfect, godlike, paragons of perfection in every minute detail of their public and private lives –– they, therefore, must be regarded as self-serving HYPOCRITES whose words and deeds were entirely spurious, and therefore utterly without merit.

      Whereas KARLMarx and all HIS angry, vehement, vociferous, aggressive, fundamentally belligerent followers truly ARE "The Way" - - "The Truth" - and "The Life" for Modern Man.

      To that I echo the word of my dear Aunt Mehitabel who said, "PSHAW!" whenever she knew that something proposed in her presence was foolish and utterly devoid of merit.

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    5. Fascinating rant, FreeThinke.
      No relevant content but it does beg a question.

      How did you become aware of the Red Menace. Roy Cohn get you a front row seat to the Army McCarthy hearings?

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    6. Aunt Mehitabel said

      PSHAW!

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  5. Leftwing progs are using the same tactic they always use. I call it...

    The Toddler Tactic: Scream, cry, rage and make life a living hell pain-in-the-ass for everyone around you until they finally relent and let you have your way.

    More insidiously, the reptilian leftwing lawyers get congress to pass an "innocuous" ban on "bump stocks" knowing that sets a legal precedent for further snarks and nibbles at the hated 2nd Amendment.

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    1. Liberals are ONLY upset when Conservatives demand THEIR Constitutional Rights (ala 2nd Amendment). Otherwise it's "freedom/freedom/freedom"...

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    2. PS - To prevent AIDS, we should demand (through regulation/legislation) that all gay men wear condoms! To prevent abortions, we should demand (through regulation/legislation) that all condoms be made illegal. E-r-r-r-r...

      Epimetheus, meet Prometheus!

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    3. SF,
      Scream, cry, rage and make life a living hell pain-in-the-ass for everyone around you until they finally relent and let you have your way.

      The Left's SOP!

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  6. This is an excuse... does anyone think for a nanosecond that it will stop here with the bump stocks? No it will end over anyone taking a xanax. Obama implemented it and Congress overturned it the beginning of Trump's term.
    Congress on Wednesday approved the first gun rights bill of the new Republican-controlled Washington, voting to erase an Obama administration regulation that would have forced Social Security to scour its lists and report some of its beneficiaries to the firearms no-buy list.
    The Senate approved the bill on a 57-43 vote. The House cleared the legislation earlier this month.
    If President Trump signs the bill into law as expected, it will expunge a last-minute change by the Obama administration designed to add more mental health records to the national background check system that is meant to keep criminals and unstable people from obtaining weapons.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/senate-votes-undo-obama-administration-gun-rule/

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  7. I can foresee a federal demand that gun owners have their fingers surgically modified limiting their trigger rate of pull.

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    1. SInce human beings are the only creatures capable of manufacturing and shooting guns, perhaps the world would be a safer, saner place if human beings were systematically phased out of existence.

      First: Enact a worldwide ban on future childbirth.

      Second: Order the immediate execution of ALL newborn babies whose parents defied the ban

      Third: Castrate all human males and remove the ovaries and uterae from all human females.

      Fourth: Make it a crime for doctors to continue treating illnesses. Outlaw the practice of medicine altogether

      Fifth: Performing life-saving surgery would be deemed a capital offense, like wise any drug therapy that prokings life unnecessarily

      Sixth: Make no effort to replenish dminishing food supplies

      Seventh: Systematically poison all wells, reservoirs, lakes and other available supolies of potable water.

      Eighth: As the millions of corpses begin to pile up, forbid any attempt to bury them. The overpowering stench and toxic fumes produced will soon aid in eliminating the will to live in those still determined to survive.

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    2. That's where the whole "sustainability" crowd wants to take us.

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    3. They really are Death Oriented, aren't they, Ed?

      Anti-Life anti-Truth, anti-Love, anti-Principle, anti-Spirit, anti-GOD.

      They promote little but Selfishness, Rudeness, Ruthlessness, Slovenliness, Self-Indulgence, Sex without Love, and Crass Materialism as legitimate IDEALS.

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  8. The evolution of the opposing digit on our hands doomed us no doubt.

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    1. Pardonnez-moi, B'ville, mais Je ne vous comprends pas. Que-est-ce-que-c'est en Anglais, s'il vous plait.

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  9. Interesting:

    In looking over the original patent US # 8,127,658 B1 for the device one finds a very interesting point about this story. The background section of the patent mentions the various techniques and devices to ‘increase the firing rate of semi-automatic weapons’. One of these being the techniques of “Bump firing” and the use of the “Belt loop” method, whereby one merely places the weapon next to their hip and hooks one finger through both the trigger mechanism and belt loop of their clothing. The opposite hand is placed on the hand guard, when the firearm is pushed forward the trigger is a activated by the finger to discharge a round. The recoil the pushes the firearm back, resetting the trigger so that when the firearm is pushed forward once again it fires another round. The point is that one does not need a ‘Bump Stock’ to mimic the select fire function, only a belt loop.

    Is the above accurate?

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    1. Easier on mobility with a rubber band.

      OMG ban rubber bands!!!

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    2. TC,
      Watch out! They will ban rubber bands -- in the name of the greater good.

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    3. How does the belt loop method work with low-rider pants?

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    4. You hold the gun down by your knees....

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    5. And sideways of course. Don't forget sideways. All the cool 'gangsta' twits pop a cap in that a**, with their 'gat' sideways......

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  10. According to this chart, mass shootings are not uniquely American; the United States is Number 12 on the list -- never mind the narrative making the rounds.

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    1. Thanks! What a shock to see Switzerland #4. Wonder if that is overall, or a particular section.

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    2. More to the point, I should think, would be to examine WHO compiles these "RATINGS?"

      I have little or no trust in published lists of STATISTICS any more than I do in POLLS.

      WHERE and from WHOM we get our information, I think, may be more important than the information, itself.

      The word TENDENTIOUS sprngs quickly to ind in these matters.

      Incase you didn't know that means expressing or intending to promote a particular cause or point of view, especially one that's controversial.

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    3. Interesting list -- people easily overlook that USA is a continent-sized country, and proceed to compare peas with pumpkins.
      FreeThinke: that's why statistics have to explain how they were compiled in order to be usable.

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  11. Children that dont know how to attach a bump stock to a semi-auto rifle should be taken from their parents.

    Yes, I'm tired of this "debate."

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    1. Titus Savage de la Beckwith said

      I wonder if you could possbly be as tired of "this debate" as we are of your witless, demoralizing cynicism and childish nihilistic maunderings?

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    2. Titus Savage de la Beckwith said

      True. You are less sensitive than shoe leather. You are also irritatingly repetitive in addition to being just plain irritating.

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    3. I appreciate the free rent in your head, but get some furniture in here.

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    4. Children caught using a bump stock should be punished for wasting ammo.

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    5. Seriously though, most of Paddock's weapons fitted with a bump stock were jammed. Which tells you he had the foresight to bring multiples. They're just not reliable as a substitute for full auto.

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    6. Seriously though, most of Paddock's weapons fitted with a bump stock were jammed. Which tells you he had the foresight to bring multiples. They're just not reliable as a substitute for full auto.

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  12. ..still going over the 2nd Amendment looking for bumpstocks.

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    1. Michael Patrick Libaloney said

      The 2nd Amendment referred to muskets capable of shooting only ibe ball at a time. Therefore, only muskets should be protected under that antiquated amendment.

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    2. Still going over the 1st Amendment, looking for the internet.....that put it in perspective for you?

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  13. Despite past lawbreaking by CIA, FBI and other government agencies, I'm ignoring all the kook conspiracies about the Vegas shooter.

    I am waiting for more info, because while plausible it was just one more American going on a murderous rampage, much of it just doesn't make sense.

    - Did he have a big beef with Vegas, casinos, etc? Other than the years-old slip and fall failed lawsuit?

    - He did not snap. This took considerable deliberate planning and a long chain of deliberate actions, culminating in him smashing "shatter-proof" windows and laying down sustained gunfire with various weapons for over 15 minutes

    - Why the large variety and number of weapons? Makes no sense, especially having weapons of different calibers requiring a variety of ammo

    - How does a paunchy man in his 60's with no firearms experience carry out such an operation?

    - The shooter was taking Valium, a common (and commonly-ignored) factor in these incidents. That explains someone flying into a rage and "snapping," but that's not what happened in this case. What the Vegas murderer did requred planning, practice and a long string of deliberate tasks, culminating in operating the weapons to murder and wound over 500 people. A low dosage of valium is great for calming nerves...

    http://www.cchrflorida.org/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

    https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html

    https://www.cchrint.org/2014/04/24/ssri-antidepressants-the-gateway-drug-to-mass-murder/

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/aurora_shooting

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    1. Can't overlook the influence of his father on him.

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    2. The Texas tower shooter had a brain tumour.

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    3. Apparently, Stephen Paddock purchased all those guns legally and passed all the background checks, yet didn't trip any wires to the effect than an individual without a gun dealer's license was amassing an arsenal.

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    4. I believe that once a gun background check is performed, the government must delete all records of the transaction. Perhaps this is evidence of compliance.

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    5. FJ.
      So, do we even know that he purchased these guns?

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    6. FJ,
      According to one answer at that link:

      Whether or not its a public record varies with the laws of each state. Some states don't even require registration so there is no record to be public. In my state, all guns are registered at the time of purchase. I am not sure if the records are considered public or not but they are readily available to us (cops).

      Apparently, the procedure varies state by state.

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    7. Sounds like a system ensuring "privacy".

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    8. I don't take issue with the size and variety of his arsenal. I am saying that from an operational standpoint, why all those guns of different caliber?

      Better one reliable gun and one back-up, both same caliber so you don't have to sort ammo and reduce the possibility of a mistake.

      Too many weird details.

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    9. SF: I thought much the same; I've like to see a breakdown of how many rounds he had in the room, broken out by caliber. Instead all we get is the feigned shock at how one person could have "that many bullets" {OMG!!!].....little knowing that most gun owners blow through that in a weekend.

      - CI

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    10. SF: It's not exactly germane to your point, but I just asked a guy this morning as to why he had a matched pair of Ruger Redhawks but in different calibers.
      He said he has arthritis in one hand. Want a lower recoil. I never would have guessed.

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    11. Ed, sure. I have a 357, but when I go to the range, I shoot a few .357 rounds through it, but the majority of my shooting with that pistol is using .38's.

      I don't have arthritis, but the 38s are way cheaper, and yeah, less recoil.

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    12. SF: My wife has the arthritis and she has a .357 SP101 that she shoots .38 "shorts" in for practice.
      I order them from Cheaper than Dirt.
      Just lower pressure .38 sp. Magtech.
      But they are a little pricier.
      I realize you don't need them, just following up the conversation.

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    13. A kid in the high school class I subbed yesterday showed me in private a video of him shooting an automatic...he was shooting SO nearly the speed of Paddock, and had nothing on the gun, it was just him. Man, that kid could SHOOT. Also, has terrific conservative thinking..Dad was Black, Mom was white, both died of illnesses....great kid.

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    14. Z: Are you saying he was just pulling the trigger quickly enough to simulate automatic?

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  14. Legitimate questions by SF. What is actually known so far
    doesn't make much sense.

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  15. Caroline Krumhorn said

    Why are we obsessed wth speculating about this dead devil? What good could it accomplish? WIll it undo what he did? Willl it bring bad the dead/ Will it heal the wounded?

    Why are you still talking about this trivial ninsense when C-Span devoted an entire segment this morning to a really IMPORTANT issue which isthis: Did Rex Tillerson call President Trump a moron?

    Emily Tamkin said he did, so therefore, it must be so, yet people including Secretary Tillerson, himself, are still denying it.

    With matters of great national importance like Rex Tillerson's profound disresect for the president he was apppointed to serve being noised abroad how could you allow yourselves to be sidetracked by anything so trivial as Stephen Paddock's having murdered 59 people and wounded more than 500 others he didn't know and had never met? How COULD you?

    I'm sure you have incurred Emily Tamkin's grave displeasure to say nothing of the directors of C-Span's Washington Urinal.

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    1. Why? Because many of the details add up to fishy.

      Also--not related to the fishyness but relevant--how many of these mass shooters were on anti-depressants?

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  16. Fascinating Huey Long quote:

    "When Fascism comes to America it will be called anti-Fascism."

    We all know now how wrong Sinclair Lewis was. Fascism in America tramples the flag and the Bible.

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  17. SF - excellent!
    CI +1, +1
    But Ducky makes a good point that shouldn't get lost in the thread: we have reason to be concerned about the accelerating militarization of police forces nationwide. No only does that shift the "us vs them" attitide, but It's an end run around posse comitatus, which the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act pretty much overran.

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  18. That gun map is odd...the dark red in California is mostly desert you drive through...no gangs, no houses, just target practice types of places, seriously! So, unless target practice gun owners are killing each other, this is suspect. I mean there's NOTHING in that area to shoot!

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    1. Z,
      I think that the map goes by counties. HERE is the origin of the map. There are other maps there as well.

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  19. I listened to a leftist egghead speaking about “the problem” the other day. His argument was that we must somehow prevent the kinds of crimes as Las Vegas. Of course, he didn’t say how we can do that, beyond taking guns away from human beings. Or knives. Or screwdrivers. Or, as we saw the other day in London, automobiles. I suspect that he’s one of those thought control morons who imagines that anyone can see inside the heads of other people. What he overlooks is that people who want to do harm to others will always get their hands on the means to do so ... but taking guns away from people (as they do in England, for example) simply make citizens unable to defend themselves, or in other words, victims. In the case of Las Vegas, I don’t see how carrying a handgun (a close combat weapon) might have altered the result. Maybe what we need, in reality, are fewer screwballs ... fewer leftists, but I repeat myself.

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    1. For the record, the London crash is being classified as a traffic accident not a terror attack.
      Also, I want to know about the bad mofo who can inflict 600 casualties with a knife. If you've been paying attention, there have been terrorist attacks with knives in London and thankfully the casualties have been low. Rapid fire rifle, much higher rate.

      So according to your reasoning, since violence will out (granted) it behoove us to make sure maximum lethality is available. Is that it?

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    2. Also sprach Herr Ruhreierkopf, selbst. Er hat alle seiner Wissenschaft gekernt von den Teufel.

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    3. Mustang,
      For the life of me, I don't see any way to prevent people like Paddock slaughtering people.

      Based on what I've read so far, the man had plans to ignite some sort of bomb as his car was loaded with the ingredients for a bomb. My guess is that if he couldn't have shot people, he'd have turned that car into a mobile bomb -- Plan B.

      Why Paddock at the age of 64 suddenly -- suddenly as far as we know -- turned into a person who wanted a killing field remains a mystery.

      Another strange thing: that a man of Paddock's wealth apparently lived like a Spartan in his Sun City house.

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    4. Graymalkin said

      Paddock is a TOAD in Shakesoeare's Macbeth.

      "During the Renaissance it was believed that Satan sent witches malicious spirits to help them carry out their evil deeds. These 'familiars' or 'imps' would appear in animal form. The familiar of the First Witch takes the form of a cat (Graymalkin) and the familiar of the Second Witch takes the form of a toad (Paddock) - Google

      There is probably something to this. Stephen Paddock was certainly in league with the Devil.

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  20. "Today" I don't see a need for a bump stock device, but what about tomorrow. If it is banned it will not be available to people who may need it 25, 50, or 100 years form now. Gun control happens an inch at a time until eventually you are not allowed to defend yourself.

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    1. Already true in Great Britain. Kid. People have been PROSECUTED and sent to GAOL for doing physical harm to potential vandals, thieves, and possible racists or murderers who entered their homes without permission. I don't believe guns were involved.

      Sorry I have no more specific information to give you, but I have read that in more than one place. As we should know, however, ALL sources are suspect these days.

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  21. Even though the issue is purely tengential to the point raised in this post, I have to say once again for emphasis.

    The ELECTORAL MAP presents the best case imaginable for preserving the ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

    Direct Democracy is the moral equivalent of two wolves and a lamb deciding what's to be eaten for dinner.

    DEADLY!

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  22. Bump stocks should never have been legal. Bolt action, pump action, lever action, revolvers, and semi auto 9 clip shot clips are all that hunters and sportsmen need.

    The BS hyperbole spewed by the criminal NRA leadership, wacko gun nuts, and gutless lawmakers is a lie and they know it.

    This nation needs uniform national regulatory firearm legislation that insures responsible law abiding citizens retain the right to bear firearms. Legislation that also prevents sale of firearms and ammo to known criminals and the mentally ill or unstable. This can be done but the gutless lawmakers lack the integrity and moral character.

    This is not about banning firearms, it is about finding an effective means to drastically reduce the domestic terrorism we've come to view as just the price of freedom.

    Why it is cons can't have an honest and reasonable dialog on how best to make our national disgrace go away is beyond comprehension.

    The right has so politicized the issue it is likely a thousand deaths at the hands of a domestic terrorist would make no difference. Sad.

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    1. RN,
      our national disgrace

      Huh?

      Bump stocks should never have been legal.
      There is also the matter of belt loops. Shall we also make belt loops illegal?

      Legislation that also prevents sale of firearms and ammo to known criminals and the mentally ill or unstable.

      As is known so far, Stephen Paddock doesn't fit either of those categories (known criminals and the mentally ill or unstable). Unless, of course, the sales of guns will be banned to all who are prescribed any type of antidepressant.

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    2. Ah, there we go.....Statists telling us that we should only have a Right to something that we need. Need as defined by them, of course.

      Why 9 rounds in a magazine, and not 8 or 10?

      Legislation that also prevents sale of firearms and ammo to known criminals and the mentally ill or unstable.

      This already exists, thanks for playing.

      - CI

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    3. Hm, didn't His Trumpness just vacate Obama era regulations aimed at preventing mentally ill from getting access to firearms?

      Thanks for playing.

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    4. No....he didn't. Though Ducky proffered the same tripe just the other day. Would you like to take this opportunity to educate yourself....or are you happy just reading from the script?

      - CI

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    5. Les, Your statement is an embarrassment, even for you. Please do some research and don't just ingest the leftwing prog propaganda.

      President Obama's regulation removed a 2nd Amendment right from people without legal adjudication; a fundamental violation of our natural rights and the US Constitution.

      We have laws on the books prohibiting the sale of firearms to criminals and to those properly adjudicated as being mentally ill and incapable of responsible firearm use.



      http://www.snopes.com/congress-gun-legal-mental/

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/the-gop-is-making-it-easier-for-mentally-ill-people-to-buy-guns-they-have-a-point/?utm_term=.9c0da0fd0f93

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    6. CI, can you believe Les bills himself a libertarian? and Conservative? Latterly he's demonstrated his progressivism.

      Can you imagine that? A progressive libertarian?

      That's like a virgin hooker.

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    7. It certainly doesn't make sense to me, but then again...labels are cheap and self ascribed. Perhaps he's denial about being a Statist, and wears a label of camouflage like a threadbare blanky?

      - CI

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    8. @ CI :
      Of course he's, "happy just reading from the script?", what else would he do?

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    9. There once was as a Registered Nurse
      Whose thoughts were entirely perverse
      The more Nursie talked
      The more decent folk balked,
      So the Nurse just got worse and worse!


      ~ Anne Typathie

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  23. You've simply confirmed the intransigent nature of the right AOW. The right obviously does not choose to recognize the nature of our problem and therefore justifies in their minds the action of doing nothing.

    Rather than discussing the issue honestly and responding to points made my your enemies to use FreeThinke's words the right always takes the road of deflection.

    It is what it is and the nation will continue to accept this as normal.

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    1. See comments above from CI and me, two people who unlike you actually do their homework.

      When you let the left do your thinking for you, and replace rational thought with blind ideology, you are bound to stagger into the tar pits of lunacy and ignorance, as you have just demonstrated.

      Now Les, for extra credit, tell us what laws would have prevented this mass slaughter?

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    2. Silverfiddle, it is you, not I who has lost their ability to reason. Your barbed insults have been noted. I have NOTHING further to say to you. You've swallef the con hook line and sinker.

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    3. Perhaps when you actually address my points honestly there might be a possibility of discussion.

      Won't hold my breath.

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    4. When one's points are rooted in or writ large, a canard.....why should they be responded too? Perhaps you could go back and address your previous falsehoods....you know, honestly.

      You don't want discussion....you want narrative.

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    5. Sorry CI, YOUR narrative is showing. Very nakedly I must add.

      But as I've always said, you have every right to be wrong.

      Enjoy your freedom to be what you are. It's your right. Until you encroach on my rights. Then... There will be was. And I, And those Wh share my patriotic American values WILL win. You WILL lose.

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    7. So that would be a no then? You won't use this occasion to educate yourself about the rule implementation of the NICS Improvement Act of 2007?

      Your second statement made no sense, but I presume it's where you invent the "right" to feel safe....or some such nonsense. But look at you...it's not only the Right that claims a monopoly on patriotism. Bravo.

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    8. A fitting inscription for Nursie Poo Poo's tombstone:

      He Made Fools of All Who Tried to Reason with Him

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    9. CI, what rule implementation are you referring to?
      I know that the Social Security Administration tried to enact a rule that those who were in custodial care wouldn't qualify for firearm purchases but that was voted down.
      If nothing else it might have cut down on proxy purchases but ... not one inch.

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    10. Ducky and Les:

      What law or laws would have prevented this mass slaughter?

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    11. FreeThinke,

      Please don't throw rocks at your teammates when they are winning. It's in poor taste.

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    12. Ducky, that's exactly the rule I was referring to:

      The rule would require that the Social Security administration report to the Attorney General recipients found to be disabled in order for them to be added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.[2] To qualify for reporting, an individual would have had to meet two criteria: They have to be receiving full disability benefits and couldn't find work. They require the assistance of a third party to manage their own benefits.

      It was estimated that around 9% of the disability awardee population would have met this criteria.


      There is no connection to proxy purchases, but there is most certainly a connection to the denial of Constitutional rights, and an onerous burden in the exercise thereof, to a sizable portion of the population....without just cause.

      Rather a far cry from the distributed narrative of the Left.

      - CI

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  24. When Nursie-Poo enters the door,
    'Twould be best this site pest to ignore.
    The poor creature's a goon
    A biffoon, and a loon
    And what's worse, he's a crashing bore!


    ~ Anne Animus

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  25. The murder map looks for the most part to be large urban areas: areas which hold a large dense population and often vote progressive. However, most polls and studies
    show that progressives are largely not gun owners. IMO,
    we are looking at urban gang warfare, given the geography shown.

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  26. Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other developed countries, a new study finds.

    Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries, researchers said.

    The study was published online Feb. 1 in The American Journal of Medicine.

    "Overall, our results show that the U.S., which has the most firearms per capita in the world, suffers disproportionately from firearms compared with other high-income countries," said study author Erin Grinshteyn, an assistant professor at the School of Community Health Science at the University of Nevada-Reno. "These results are consistent with the hypothesis that our firearms are killing us rather than protecting us," she said in a journal news release.

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    1. We lead developed nations in murders overall, regardless of weapon.

      Go study FBI statistics and tell us what our murder rate would be if you eliminated gang-related murders and murders committed by young African Americans.

      Can you stomach the truth, Les?

      If you're really brave, go check this out:

      Chart of the day: More guns, less gun violence between 1993 and 2013

      Between 1994 and 2014, 56% more guns, and murders down 49%...


      Hmmm....


      How would a rational mind explain that, Les?

      Ducky, feel free to answer the question, if all the facts haven't scared you off.

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    2. Regression to the mean. Those graphs capture the tail end of the crack epidemic.

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    3. Jez, could very well be, but the inescapable fact is that a half-again increase in guns did not result in a concomitant increase in fun violence.

      Les: Pay attention to Jez. He knows how to analyze facts and marshal effective arguments.

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  27. AEI, a con think tank. Hmm...

    Cherry picked data. It's what agenda driven think tanks do.

    Isn't it time you started thinking for yourself Silver?

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    1. Weak tea, RN.

      If you can't pick the data apart then go flap your gums somewhere else or preface all your comments with, "I don't think" and just stop right there.

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    2. Les, could you please demonstrate how the data was "cherry picked?"

      Gun ownership and murder rates are pretty straightforward.

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    3. @ Warren: ... or preface all your comments with, "I don't think" and just stop right there.

      Good one! I almost spit my coffee on that one.

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    4. SF, when he first showed up here I couldn't decide if his screeds were satire or if he was really that deluded. It didn't take me long to make up my mind.

      My grandmother always told me that it wasn't kind to mock the afflicted, I believe she would make an exemption in this case.
      :^)

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  28. Belonging to a tribe is fun, or so I've been l've been told. No plans to find out however.

    Enjoy your coffee.

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  29. Abraham Isidor Notawall said

    At last something bright has appeared. I applaud the following as being unusually astute. The author deserves our warmest congratulations:

    Les Carpenter's epitaph:

    "HE MADE FOOLS OF ALL WHO TRIED TO REASON WITH HIM."

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    1. So, you are calling the good conservatives "fools" who are exposing Carpenter's nonsense?

      How classless.

      This is a discussion forum where opposing ideas clash. CI and the others have exposed Carpenter and left him unable to defend his nonsense.

      Why attack those on your side?

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    2. I think you misunderstand. Only a fool would EVEN ATTEMPT to argue with a such renowned and acknowledged fool as Les CARPENTER.

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  30. HAPPY COLUMBUS DAY!

    Enjoy it while we still have it. The Left is scheming right now to abolish all mention of Christopher Columbus as anything but a vicious, greedy racist who invaded land rghtfully belonging to noble savages, and all-but wiped them out by introducing deadly diseases into their earthly paradise.

    The Left will do this as surely as God made little green apples, and they'll suppress any and all fond memories we've ever had of our past just as soon as they can get away with it.

    The Founding Fathers wiil be next to go on the chopping block.

    Mt Vernon and Monticello may be preserved, but they will be relegated to the same status that Auschwitz and Treblinka enjoy in post-war Germany today.

    You can bet your 401K on it.

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    1. _______ COLUMBUS DAY ________



      And after 1492, despite a great deal of ado,
      
Much struggle and inventiveness,

      And wars both tiny and immense,

      Development given to few,
      
And much invention great and new,
      
It all turned out that battles fought

      And victories won have come to naught.
      
Columbus to whom you've referred

      Should have his exploits just deferred.


      ~ James Ttcomb Wryly


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