"Health and Human Services spokeswoman Joanne Peters said Tuesday the government omitted a window-shopping function because officials first wanted consumers to know the amount of the subsidy they might be eligible for. Those income-based tax credits can dramatically reduce premiums for people with modest incomes, and personal financial information is needed to calculate the subsidies."
“Our process allows us to show consumers plans with prices that reflect what they will pay with the tax credit they may be eligible for,” Peters said. “Window shopping would not allow for this.” —Associated Press
Public recriminations continue as the American people “suddenly” realize that Barack Obama has done little else but lie to them for the past six years. They idiotically put him into office, and then, if that treason was not bad enough, reelected him. It is nothing if not mind-bending. In this latest iteration of incompetence and lies, websites not only perplex those who want to know the true costs, but people are finding out that the actual costs of the ACA will increase, not decrease their health care costs.
The Obama administration has attempted to be far too cute about shielding the truth. For example, consumers are unable to window shop for insurance plans because this information is not available until one first provides all personal data. By the way, inputting this information in its entirety will allow the government to fine you later should you ultimately decide not to enroll. I find it stunning that the American people have figured this out long before the realized what a lying fraud Obama is … but that is a topic for the future.
The scheme to defraud the American people is worthy of beltway politics, however, and it matches almost precisely the rhetoric offered to us by the DC Madame, Nancy Pelosi: “But we have to pass the bill so that you can uh … find out what’s in it.” Remember that whatever the government gives (health care subsidy), it can take away.
In 2008, Barack Obama promised that his health care plan would lower insurance premiums by $2,500 per family. As it turns out, this might be true (emphasis added for effect) if (a) one qualifies for a government subsidy, and/or (b) one continues to qualify for a government subsidy in the future. On the other hand, if one does not qualify for the subsidy, his or her health care insurance premium is increasing as much as three times. We should wonder about the kind of American that is fine with allowing the entire country to pay for his or her health insurance subsidy.
Finally, we find ourselves confronting with this unalterable fact: the glitch everyone is stalking about is an intentional ploy by the Obama administration to hide its broken promise to the American people. The light may be coming on because it seems that most Americans are no longer accepting the Obama shell game. Maybe there is some hope yet ... without the change.
On the other hand, if one does not qualify for the subsidy, his or her health care insurance premium is increasing as much as three times.
ReplyDeleteWhat will be the long-term and short-term effects of another hit to our ailing economy?
Such a rise in premiums will remove a substantial amount of disposable income from driving the economy, IMO.
By failing to present any evidence whatsoever that there may be a redeeming feature or two in this monstrous albatross now hung around our necks -- and by studiously avoiding any hint of admission that one might exist -- we, conservative-libertarians are doing ourselves a great disservice. We are doing exactly what "The Other Side" does all the time -- i.e. 1) admit no fault, however glaring, 2) attack the character and impugn the motives of those with differing views, 3) steadfastly maintain that black is white and vice versa no matter what evidence may be presented to the contrary, 4) persist in turning a deaf ear and a scowling face to any overtures from the opposition that may appear sober, rational or even faintly amicable.
ReplyDeleteThat's what "they" do all the time -- and isn't it provocatively irksome?
What good do you imagine "we" might do ourselves in establishing greater credibility in the Public's Mind by following "their" lead, and behaving just as "they" tend to do?
Gridlock Belligerence and INtransigence have become so established and so routinized as to be REFLEXIVE --- i.e. we now react -- like Pavlov's dogs -- without giving any THOUGHT to what we are saying.
ALSO, in constantly denigrating, constantly vilifying, constantly insulting our opponents without offering solid suggestions for CONSTRUCTIVE ALTERNATIVES, all we are doing is the moral equivalent of expelling a great deal of HOT AIR -- a gas becoming increasingly noxious and malodorous with each stale recycling of its decaying chemical composition.
Please don't take umbrage, instead try THINKING for a change. Who knows? It might help impel us away from our present stasis of moral and intellectual decay.
I never give up hope that something will -- an soon enough to evert the complete disaster looming large dead ahead.
FT,
DeleteTry this link at Forbes. The article is entitled "Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are."
FT,
DeleteAlso see this article at the Associated Press. I think that Sam cited material from this particular article.
Here's a constructive alternative...
DeleteFREE MARKETS!
Shove THAT in your pipe and smoke it!
Hey FT please feel free to provide ANY evidence whatsoever of even ONE redeeming feature of Obama Care.
DeleteDon't LIKE what I'm DOING? STAY the HELL away from MY BLOG.
DeleteNo problem!
AOW, the Forbes link FINALLY gets to the point a the very end with this paragraph:
Delete"... Obamacare wasn’t designed to help healthy people with average incomes get health insurance. It was designed to force those people to pay more for coverage, in order to subsidize insurance for people with incomes near the poverty line, and those with chronic or costly medical conditions.
Yes, of course, and isn't that EXACTLY what I told you the last time we spoke privately?
According to an Aetna CEO, it will take three years to fix and may have to start over. An interview at cnbc. Obama may have been just too clever on this one. Now that some attention is on this, I am not so sure the kool aid will keep on going. I am not so sure this was planned.
ReplyDeleteHey they will fix this whole mess in 2016, when they convert the system over to Single Payer.
ReplyDeleteBingo!
DeleteThat was the plan all along.
Hey FT, I tried to post on your blog this morning and was locked out. Whats the scoop have you gone chicken?
ReplyDeleteAre your turning Liberal engaging in censorship than this one. You are killing your reputation by doing that. It's kind of sad.
Comments on this blog are restricted to team members.
DeleteYep, he changed his settings. Now he lives in a perfect echo chamber.
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DeleteWhoa, the pot calls the kettle black.
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Delete@ the Political Girl: "Whats the scoop have you gone chicken?
DeleteAre your turning Liberal engaging in censorship than this one. You are killing your reputation by doing that. It's kind of sad."
FreeThinke is too wise to accept "advice" from loony frenemies.
We are all one big government family now. Most Americans have already become accustumed to serfdom. It will take us conservates longer to adjust or there is always FEMA camps where they will take care of us.
ReplyDeleteObama provoked the shutdown, and it was his close adviser Valerie Jarrett who planned it out in detail, according to author Ed Klein,
ReplyDeleteObama hates what America stands for!
As long as Obama is president he will not negotiate with people he believes are inherently evil. This is why he calls them hostage takers and rapists. This is why Democrats call the GOP every name in the book. It is because they feel victimized by America and they're out to get even, so if you're wondering why Washington doesn't work anymore, there's your reason. ..
Our enemies must be laughing their asses off.
Raise your hand if you think that the ACA has anything at all to do with healthcare.
ReplyDeleteThe ACA addresses the delivery of health insurance.
DeleteYes, I see the two as separate if dependent.
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DeleteHave you ever thought that you could be just one heart beat away from a stroke? Get some help, man.
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DeleteLib Booster:
DeleteYeah, your blog is such a roaring success. One post and you couldn't cut it anymore, huh?
FreeThinke: You've pissed off the kooks and the sock puppets, so you must be doing something right.
Any news on AOW's progress?
ReplyDeleteYes. Doing as well or better than can be expected, but still going through a rough patch. Nevertheless, she's carrying on with her characteristic doughty, determined derring do.
DeleteBack at work already and driving -- short distances and only in daylight. Long term prognosis is excellent, but it will take much patience over a period of months to reach optimal results.
As a concerned friend, who has been through seven eye surgeries, himself in the past ten years, I understand the importance of developing great patience.
In short it's an ordeal, but so far quite bearable.
A really rough day today with my eye. So much irritation in spite of using artificial tears very often. The problem must be the dry air in the building.
DeleteI believe we are just a few years from a federal law that requires everyone have implanted a bio-chip; one that will give the government immediate access to personal, financial, and medical information—upon demand. And I do believe that most Americans would simply roll over for such a program, ignoring the startling conclusions that Orwell was absolutely correct. The pigs have taken over the farm.
ReplyDeleteYes. Mr. Sinclair. I've been predicting that -- or something very like it --, myself, for several decades.
DeleteOnce an inimical ideology or technology has been discovered, it WILL be implemented. Science has no moral compass. When people turn their backs on God, "like sheep" they will go astray, every one unto his own way," and all will suffer as a result.
The only leader we could safely follow is Almighty God -- and the handful who are honestly guided by Him in their motives and ambitions.
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ReplyDeleteKoo Koo! Koo Koo!
DeleteGod bless you, FreeThinke! The basement dwellers are covering their screens with spittle and breaking their keyboards!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
FreeThinke has outsmarted you all, and you don't even realize it.
For those who don't know what this is all about, I just tried to comment on FT's blog and I go this message
ReplyDelete"“Comments on this blog are restricted to team members.”
So I guess that he has restricted his blog to his cronies only
... said the sad, failed blogger.
DeleteNot at all. We had an avalanche of out-and-out garbage dumped on the site this morning. It's a pain-in-the ass to have to pick through such a stinking mess, weed out the rottenest parts, bag 'em up and toss 'em away, so I decided to try a different form of "moderation" for a while.
DeleteAnyone would be welcome to comment from any part of political spectrum as long as he or she doesn't resort to "boilerplate" -- i.e. formulaic outbursts of anger and derision aimed at no one in particular.
I would love to deal with adversaries as long as they're intelligent, polite and stick to the points at issue.
Here once again is what I will no tolerate:
NOTICE:
I will not put up with irrelevant NONSENSE, witless FEUDING, bitchy backbiting, personal insults, and BOILERPLATE screeds -- even from "friends."
Either be prepared to engage in honest conversation, make a RELEVANT comment to the subject at hand, and be prepared to discuss it politely, or just STAY AWAY.
BOILERPLATE is OUT.
BAITING others is OUT.
PERSONAL INSULTS are OUT.
"MASQUERADING" as another established blogger is OUT
I hope I've made myself clear?
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DeleteExcellent analysis, Sam.
ReplyDeleteI lament the fact that the GOP's ill-timed and ill-conceived tantrum took the nation's attention away from the disastrous roll out of this creaking, Soviet-style monstrosity known as Obamacare.
I also want to declare that I stand solidly with my friend Mr. FreeThinke. When you go where the truth leads you, those who choose rigid ideology uber alles will become your enemies, and you will have enemies in all camps.
It is a rare blessing to have both true friends and true enemies revealed.
Thank you very much, Kurt. Understanding really is The Pearl of Great Price, because there is precious little of it.
DeleteJust about every day I am reminded of DOVER BEACH, Matthew Arnold's unforgettable, elegiac masterpiece. It ends by defining the world as "a darkling plain where ignorant armies clash by night."
We must, however, strive to remember Our Lord, Jesus Christ, who said as he was dying in agony on the Cross, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."
I momentarily forgot that when I lost my temper a few moments ago. For that I'm sorry. AOW doesn't deserve that degree of profanity and invective at her blog, so I removed the worst of it.
But thank you again for understanding what drove me to it, and for your support. Your analysis of the dynamics involved is, of course, dead on target as usual.
FT,
DeleteThe blogosphere has become more and more of a madhouse. The bloom is certainly off the blogging rose now, isn't it? **sigh**
Frankly, right now, my eye can't take the strain of peering at the monitor for hours on end.
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ReplyDeleteMr. Free Thine, can I join your blog membership?
ReplyDeleteCOWARDS air their garbage out on someone eles blog and lock their own.
ReplyDeleteBut of course, they never hide behind anonymity }:
DeleteKeep it up, FreeThinke. You've sent the hooting loonies into a frenzied dance of the heebee jeebees!
And if I had made up some stupid phony name like Frieiheight would that have been better?
Delete@ Anon: And if I had made up some stupid phony name like Frieiheight would that have been better?
DeleteNo. It would take much more than that to improve your comments.
Jeezum Crow!
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ReplyDeleteFreiheit Wahrheit or whatever her name is, is the kind of person you just want to slap down for being so damn annoying. She most likely has no life and way too much time on her hands. But she frequently use’s her excessive amount of time to annoy and monitor others, tattletale for small meaningless crap, butt into everybody's business except their own, and spy on people as if they think they are a cop or an important person or something. Yes Freiheit Wahrheit is a self-righteous hypocrite!
ReplyDeleteSomebody's having a hissy. What is it about my good friend FreeThinke and his blogging allies that sets the moonbats to howling so?
DeleteSilverfiddle,
DeleteThank you for injecting the restrained voice of sanity into this thread.
No problem, Ma'am.
DeleteYou are the ultimate restrained voice of sanity.
Godspeed on your recovery.
Almost like looking in the mirror, eh, georgia?
ReplyDeletethe govt shutdown is an embarassment of the worst order..what a horror this pseudo president has wrought!
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ReplyDeleteMy sincere thanks to everyone who stopped by to contribute to the discussion.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you lefties still so damn angry???
ReplyDeleteYou won yet again on the budget/debt limit as the Republicans/conservatives/tea party got squat. It's quite a winning streak you have going.
- You got Obamacare
- Federal spending is soaring
- Taxes on the "rich" are going up
- The "poor" are not only not paying taxes but getting refunds of taxes they didn't pay
- State rights are reduced to only that which the Federal government decides to allow them
- We are doing little to nothing to secure our borders
- The Republican majority in the House is irrelevant and has no power
- Obama is doing what W did in the Middle East and W is still being blamed for it
- W is still being blamed for our economy five years after he left.
You are completely and utterly dominating the Republican party in every conceivable way and you have been for the last decade. So I don't get it, why are you still so angry and pissed ? The Progressive bloggers are still calling us those vile names. You have no tolerance, no empathy, no mercy for those you have utterly crushed. Shaw is STILL calling anyone and everyone who disagrees with her racist, sexist, homophobes who hate the poor and immigrants and love the rich and corporations, and worse! Why? What would it take to get you to pull the stick out? Aren't you getting enough?
I'll tell you why they are so angry...because they are not winning. Obama Care is a disaster and they know it. Inside they blame republicans for that. They don't want Obama Care they want Totally free care in a single payer system. You just can't tax the rich enough to satisfy their unbridled anger towards people that have a bigger TV than they do. They are also not happy with the war on terror and they see it as a Bush war that the republicans and the Tea Party won't let Barry Obama out from.
In other words they are unrepentant extreme whack jobs that have never read the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights and were raised to hate their own Nations Founders. They were lied to in school and they sucked it right in and now they are voting. Voting against their own children's future and they are too Damn angry to see it
Libs will never be happy because the rich will never be taxed enough to please them!.
ReplyDeleteAnd government will never spend enough, or give them enough FREE STUFF to suit them. When exactly was the left ever satisfied?
Obamacare was carefully hidden from the public until after it was passed and signed.
ReplyDeleteRemember when Nancy Pelosi said, “We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"
But the people on the Left were to ignorant to realize that something was NOT RIGHT! And they had to find out the hard way. And now, with the Obamacare exchanges open for business and full of details on what it will and won't cover, how much people's premiums will increase and even often doubling or tripling. So finally the American people are getting their first good look at Obama’s leftists' agenda for them.
To no one's surprise, they hate it,I mean really hate it!
All I wanna know is where is all my free shit at, bro?
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