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Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Pat Condell Comments On Breivik's Deeds

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  2. The overwhelming public support for change? What kind of change Pat, more of your cheap bigotry.

    Been something watching these stiffs run like freaking cockroaches when the lights come on. So what kind of change, Pat? Decent folk give in to your bigotry and join Pam Geller?

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  3. Duck,
    Been something watching these stiffs run like freaking cockroaches when the lights come on.

    Huh?

    As far as I've read, the so-called counterjihadists have been answering the "charges" at every opportunity and using every available medium. I haven't followed everything going on as I have other things to do (as you well know -- Home front first!).

    I can't speak for others, so I speak only for myself. I spent several days searching my heart and reading Breivik's hypergraphic screed. To be frank, I was glad that my name wasn't mentioned anywhere.

    In my view, blaming the so-called counterjihad sites for Breivik's deeds is like blaming the producers of Taxi Driver or Jodi Foster herself for what Hinckley did. In many ways, Breivik is like Hinckley in that both were attention seekers. There was an article in the Telegraph about Breivik's attention seeking from way back and even before he got on the topic of Islam.

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  4. Duck,
    Curiosity here. Why did you delete your first comment? It looks identical to the one you posted.

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  5. HERE it the Telegraph article that I referenced in an above comment.

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  6. Nice catch, AOW. I'd sure like to have a transcript of that video. BTW, do you know who this Pat Condell is? He certainly has hit on the perfect responce to the leftards.

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  7. Pat Condell is awesome-- I'm in total agreement with everything he says here.

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  8. I changed a word to clarify the reference to cockroaches.

    The original was broader than I intended.

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  9. Ducky's here,

    I remember you from Culturist John's blog. I didn't think I'd see you again, when I noticed you were no longer posting comments there. I actually kind of missed you believe it or not.

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  12. Been something watching these stiffs run like freaking cockroaches when the lights come on.

    You mean like Fatah? Their 15th year exchanging "youth" with Norway, and then "it" happens. Tsk-tsk... a madman inadvertently turned on the lights... and the cockroaches start running into the lights.

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  13. Ducky's here,

    As for Pat Condel, he's not a bigot. He doesn't think that every single Muslim on the planet is a jihadist. Plus, if he was a bigot, he'd have been more likely to either openly support Breivik, or at least make excuses for him. He has done neither.

    I've actually come across some anti Muslim bigots, who have commented on anti Jihadists sites. They were all idiots, and most of them openly advocated violence. One of them, at least went so far as to say that we should kill every single Muslim on the planet. Never mind that would mean killing millions of people, many of which would be innocent, not to mention children.

    There's a difference between speaking out against the disgusting, inhuman beliefs of a religion and demonizing every single person who happens to be a part of a religion. Contrary to what some of his critics claim, Pat Condel has never said that all Muslims are Jihadists. Criticizing a religion is not the same thing as demonizing everyone who happens to be a part of that religion.

    There are a lot of negative things about Islam. There really are a lot of passages in the Koran and Hadith that demand violence and hatred toward non Muslims, but pointing stuff like that out, is not saying that All Muslim follow them.

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  14. Ducky's here,

    sorry but I had to delete the last version of my previous comment, since there were some mistakes in it, and I thought I could improve it.

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  15. thanks AOW..I think he is so articulate..and he is spot on too.:)

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  16. Well AOW it's like this. Condell is part of a secular fundamentalist movement that hares oe thing in common with fundamentalists everywhere.

    He has not tolerance for the "other" and sees the "other" as irredeemably evil, forever imbued with evil. I'm sure you assign Hawthorne to your students, you know the drill.

    Now Condell and others aren't going to explicitly state what has to be done with the evil. They'll leave that to imagination of the followers but they guarantee that a climate of accommodation is impossible. And why would American exceptionalism accommodate anything, right?

    Now there are some of us on the left who wish that southern culture were quarantined and fenced off from the world but we understand accommodation has to be made. Everything evolves but when you have given your enemy the mark you can't believe change is possible.

    So finally when the followers act out the leaders scurry. Nothing complicated here.

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  17. Condell is right, of course. Nothing makes violence like that in NOrway acceptable, which goes without saying.
    I'm sorry he missed mentioning how the Norwegian was labeled "Christian" by the New York Times; how quickly the left is to blame people who ask "was he Muslim?" in cases like this but silence from them on the wrongful label of CHRISTIAN.

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  18. Duck,
    He has not tolerance for the "other" and sees the "other" as irredeemably evil, forever imbued with evil.

    And you don't do the same regarding what you view as "the other," namely, the Right?

    Now there are some of us on the left who wish that southern culture were quarantined and fenced off from the world but we understand accommodation has to be made.

    Quite a condescending thing to say.

    You "accommodate" but obviously don't accept Southerners as fellow Americans, huh?

    Here's how I see the matter of "the other": human beings typically think that way. What matters is how they treat "the other" -- one of Hawthorne's points, IMO.

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  19. Z,
    Condell is an atheist, so I'm not surprised that he didn't mention the Breivik-is-a-Christian lie.

    In fact, Condell isn't so much concerned with the theology of Islam as with the impact that Islam is having on secular Western culture.

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  20. Damien,
    There's a difference between speaking out against the disgusting, inhuman beliefs of a religion and demonizing every single person who happens to be a part of a religion.

    Exactly!

    I wish that more people understood that distinction!

    I've actually come across some anti Muslim bigots, who have commented on anti Jihadists sites. They were all idiots, and most of them openly advocated violence. One of them, at least went so far as to say that we should kill every single Muslim on the planet.

    I've spotted some of those same bigots. Most, IMO, are commenting anonymously and talking through their hats. Now, I can't say for certain, but I believe that most such talk is idle chatter. It is interesting that Breivik himself, as far as has been determined as of now, didn't comment much on the web.

    In fact, all over the web (Left, Right, and Center), I've seen many commenters holding forth in quite a hateful manner about a lot of topics unrelated to Islam, the so-called counterjihad, etc. Apparently, being anonymous gives people the idea that they can spout all sorts of things that they likely wouldn't say in person -- and certainly not at family gatherings or on the job.

    For that matter, yesterday Joe Biden referred to Tea Partiers as terrorists, and some other politician (Who?) referred to the debt deal at as "Satan sandwich." Such civility! [heavy sarcasm]

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  21. Thersites,
    Thanks for that link! I occasionally visit BNI but haven't lately because I'm in summer mode.

    Excerpt from that link:

    “Fatah Youth declares its consternation about the terror attack. There are no words to describe an attack against people that have been our comrades in our struggle for freedom and independence....

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    "Fatah Youth has participated for almost 15 years in the same summer camp and our youth has benefited by learning and sharing experiences on democracy and advocacy for peace and justice."


    Apparently, that information isn't getting much dissemination. Why is that?

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  22. "For that matter, yesterday Joe Biden referred to Tea Partiers as terrorists, and some other politician (Who?) referred to the debt deal at as "Satan sandwich."

    The "Satan sandwich" crack was from Rev. Emanuel Cleaver former mayor of Kansas City, MO and now chair of the Congressional Black Congress.

    Nancy Pelosi, in a burst of her usual originality and quick wit, {heavy of sarcasm] told Diane Sawyer yesterday that the deal was a "Satan sandwich with Satan fries."

    Then there's Joe Biden calling Tea Partiers "terrorists." All tea partiers have done is let Washington D.C. know that we are not happy with their fiscal policies. Yes Tea Partiers have gotten loud but as far as I know, no one with the tea party has bombed, shot or beheaded or hijacked planes, rioted or yelled from the gallery of House of Reps or protested nude in the streets.

    Yet, according to the Dems and our pal the Duck, the Tea Partiers are evil incarnate, even though they dismiss evil perpetrated by Jihadis and hard core Communists. Conservative and Tea Partiers in their book are the greatest threat to the United States that has ever or will exist. Check that. We are probably the greatest threat to a Leftist-Socialist vision of the United States that has ever existed.

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  23. If anyone knows about bigotry and racism, it's Ducky. Plus, he's an asshole of the first magnitude.

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  24. Nope Alligator, the Baggers are just ignorant and dance to whatever tune the corporatists are calling.

    Hey mustang, am I banned at your place? My browser won't allow comments to display.

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  25. Duck,
    Mustang has closed comments at his site -- to one and all.

    Nope, you haven't been singled out.

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  26. I don’t get it. Like Pat, others have condemned terrorist violence unequivocally. I particularly like the article by Melanie Phillips. Every major counter-jihadi writer is revolted by Breivik and his call for a violent overthrow of Western governments as a means to power.

    After 9/11, bin Laden was a hero in Muslim lands (see any Pew Center Poll at the time or read “The Age of Sacred Terror.”) One could hardly find a major Muslim figure who condemned the attack and when they did they added qualifiers & “buts”. Few would even condemn bin Laden by name. None would condemn the concept of violent jihad. None would condemn the suicide bombings in Israel.

    Let’s compare: Breivik is universally condemned by counter-jihadi writers but leftists (like Ducky) say they are to blame without any evidence that they advocated such violence. Muslims refuse to condemn jihadi terror, yet leftists say it is bigotry to imply anything about Islamic writings, which are full with calls to wage holy war and kill the infidel.

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  27. You don't have to advocate the violence specifically.

    You start by condemning Islam as our most serious threat (an asinine idea, by the way). And you keep pushing, keep pushing, always upping the supposed threat level. Push it right up to the edge. Push it as far as you dare and then let someone pick up the thread and do the wet work.

    Man the hell up and show pride in what you are.

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  28. Since you hear dog whistles, why don't you start calling yourself fido?

    Roll over Ducky, sit, now speak and we will give you a nice doggie cookie.

    Any lame assed socialist hasn't any right to accuse others of inciting violence. Its what you're all about. Of course its just Jungian projection on your part.

    Hiding behind others and letting the rabble do your dirty work is what you low rent commie bastards are all about.

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  29. HONESTY-
    Hmmmm
    do bho - the liberals - and some RINOs know the word much less act upon it...
    Carol-CS

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  30. Ducky's Here,

    Do you have any counter evidence than to claim that most of the terrorists and terrorists groups are Muslims?

    Do you also have any evidence to counter the claim that most Muslim terrorists use their sacred text to just terrorism? in others words, use their religion to justify murdering innocent people?

    Why is Islam, the only major world religion, that people can still be executed for leaving in some parts of the world? Why do Muslim apostates, even in free countries have to fear for their lives?

    Afghan Convert to Christianity to be Executed within Days

    Fear Stalks Muslim Apostates In The West

    Can you explain the phenomenon cartoon rage?

    Muslim cartoon fury claims lives

    Also, how do you explain the results of this poll by the LA times of all news papers?

    Majority of Muslims want Islam in politics, poll says

    If you replace the words "Islam in Politics" with Islamic theocracy, you will get the idea.

    And if you insists its just the Muslims in the middle East or nations that are already Islamic, how do you explain this news story?

    Muslim Sharia Law In Australia

    You are not worried about how many Muslims, even in the west, are being taught to hate you, because you don't share their religion?

    Shame of Britain's Muslim schools: Secret filming shows pupils being beaten and 'taught Hindus drink cow p***'

    Muslim Leader Preaches Hatred of Non-Muslims

    Yes there are some Muslims who speak out against all these things, and some do so constantly. But right now the loudest voices of opposition are coming from non Muslims. People who have left the Islamic faith, or were never part of it to begin with. To condemn them, off the bat, is to condemn those who are doing the most to stop this nightmarish evil.

    If you oppose the religious right, on the grounds of individual rights, equality and the separation of Church and State, you have to also oppose radical Islam to not be a hypocrite. Radical Muslims in general are much more extreme than radical Christians right now. Make no mistake about it, political Islam is a threat right now, and a very serious one at that. Its not bigotry or paranoia when you have a legitimate reason to be afraid.

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  31. "You'd have to be a moron, or a fanatic".

    Amen.

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  32. In my view, the recent demonization of the Tea Party Movement is ludicrous. One doesn't have to agree with the "philosophy" of the TPM to see that.

    I could cite any number of political "philosophies" (Right and Left) that have been demonized in the past -- only to turn out being dissent and not the devil incarnate.

    But you know what? No words that I frenetically type in will make one iota of difference or change anyone else's mind.

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  33. Duck,
    Push it as far as you dare and then let someone pick up the thread and do the wet work.

    Wow. You're quite the conspiracy theorist on this topic.

    I suppose that, in your skewed belief system, you would restrict freedom of speech and freedom of the press so that no more Breivik's come along. Limiting such freedoms is a slippery slope.

    By your own reasoning, Piss Christ and the like should be forbidden because it might give birth to a Breivik. Certain books and films should be banned because they might give birth to a Breivik. Surely, we should re-institute the ban on The Catcher in the Rye because the book promotes promiscuity. Surely, we should ban PBS documentaries on criminals because such films might cause people to imitate those criminals.

    Let's just scrub history "clean."

    Pfffft.

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  34. Damien,
    No number of facts you cite will convince the willfully blind and the willfully complicit.

    That is a great comment, though. Thank you!

    PS: Glad to see you visiting and commenting at my site. I don't have as much time to post these days at IBA.

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  35. Mustang and Warren,
    LOL!

    I must remember to conjure up a mental spew-alert before I read your comments.

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  36. Jason,
    I don’t get it.

    Neither do I.

    It's a total impasse, total gridlock.

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  37. Alligator,
    Yet, according to the Dems and our pal the Duck, the Tea Partiers are evil incarnate, even though they dismiss evil perpetrated by Jihadis and hard core Communists.

    Indeed.

    The double standard couldn't be more glaring.

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  38. Fareed Zakaria also issued a condemnation of the TPM. Not a surprise that he would say such things as he's buddy-buddy with Obama.

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  39. Game, set, and match, AOW! HA!

    Ducky is beyond belief. Calling Condell a bigot? Pot, calling kettle...

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  40. Are we all aware of this information about Utøya, the youth camp that Breivik attacked?

    Fatah Youth released a statement on Saturday condemning attacks in Norway which have reportedly killed over 90 people.

    [...]

    Fatah Youth has participated for almost 15 years in the same summer camp and our youth has benefited by learning and sharing experiences on democracy and advocacy for peace and justice."


    More at the above link.

    Utøya was not a children's summer camp as we know such places. When the story of Breivik's attack on the camp was first released, there was an error in translating Norwegian, thus leading us to believe that Breivik killed children.

    Well, he DID kill children, but there's more to the story than that aspect.

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  41. Great responses.

    Some hallucinate and imagine seeing calls for violence between every "and" "if" and "but". Being critical, emphatically critical, of Islam seems to be a call for violence, in these people's mind.

    Yet, explicit calls for violence that are heeded by some 17,000 jihadi (see religionofpeace.com) somehow don't count as evidence. Strange!

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  42. All excellent comments; a joy to read so many smart, sensible, informed people.
    Damien, thanks SO much for your comprehensive links, etc.
    Warren, excellent point about inciting violence.
    Jason, so true.

    Fred Zakaria is such a hack I almost can't watch without laughing anymore! that's CNN, and they say FOX is biased? :-)

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  43. Always On Watch,

    You're welcome. I'm glad you appreciate my input.

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  44. Z,

    You're welcome. I hope they are of use to you.

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