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Wednesday, August 15, 2018

Jordan Peterson: Threat to the Hive

Silverfiddle Rant!
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is an apt symbol for the ideas of the contemporary left: Young, hip, and attractive in a bug-eyed, kooky sort of way. Appealing, until you get closer and realize its a 100-year-old fluff-filled nutlog in a new wrapper.

She burnished that image by rejecting Ben Shapiro's debate challenge as a threatening cat call. You can't blame her for running away. She can't even rationally present her propaganda in friendly, non-challenging forums.

I observed the other day in a discussion thread here that the left is confident now is the time to stick the knives in and take over. We are weakened and staggering under the weight of generations of post-modern deconstructionism, tribalism, victimology and white guilt.

Caitlin Flanagan, writing in The Atlantic, believes just the opposite:

"But there is no coherent reason for the left’s obliterating and irrational hatred of Jordan Peterson. What, then, accounts for it?

It is because the left, while it currently seems ascendant in our houses of culture and art, has in fact entered its decadent late phase, and it is deeply vulnerable. The left is afraid not of Peterson, but of the ideas he promotes, which are completely inconsistent with identity politics of any kind."
Is the progressive left on the cusp of glorious victory, or are normal people across the ideological spectrum getting tired of their crap?

Will the 2018 mid-term elections answer this question? Or will 2020 give us a more definitive answer?

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  6. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Paul Ryan's primary seat race in Wisconsin goes to his protege who was afraid to even claim he knew him. I noted several other seats went to the establishment candidates. As i get discouraged I note that these are "open" primaries where Dems can beam in and pick the candidate. Better yet, California and its "jungle" primary where top two vote getters regardless of party become the two candidates.
    How can we possibly even get candidates let alone win an election?

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    2. The problem is funding. Bona fide conservative candidates might want to run but the establishment has the money locked up. We've had that problem here in South Carolina. We can't talk anyone into running against Lindsey Graham because no one can raise the money it would take to do it.

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    4. Mike,
      Excellent point about the funding!

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  7. THIS appears to be Mr. Peterson's web site. Correct me if I'm wrong, SF.

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    1. Please! Everyone here is perfectly capable of going to The Drudge Report ourselves and reading the headlines. Please stop spamming these comment threads with cut-and-paste garbage from Drudge and FOX!

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    1. Franco,
      Omarosa's book isn't selling? LOL!

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    2. Franco,
      Of note:

      “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper,” [Thomas Jefferson] wrote, “Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.”

      So
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    4. Franco,
      I'm "on watch" so I'm of the know-thy-enemy school of philosophy.

      I also admit to "trolling" the comments sections of the NYT. :^)

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    5. Addendum:

      I like the NYT book reviews, which I read regularly.

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  11. No matter what the Angry Democrats, the sore losing Liberals, or the Pissed of Progressives or Fake News media say, our MOVEMENT can’t be stopped! We will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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    2. Mr. Aragosta: We stand stunned and amazed at the realization that a man of your bloviating bluster would want to silence others. I was not attacking you, sir. I am merely trying to point out pertinent facts, and I would appreciate it very much if you would kindly stop calling me bilious. My bile levels are not elevated, I assure you.

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    3. Franco,
      I answered him. I haven't seen him appear again. It might have been better if you hadn't piled on with him.

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  13. Peterson is a boy with his finger in the dyke, frozen.

    The Dems are taking over. Peter Strozck just got handed $200k in a GoFundMe for betraying his Civil Service oath and selling the US Intelligence and Law Enforcement Communities to the Democratic Party.

    Now Silicon Valley joins forces with the DNC and begins wiping all traces of Alex Jones (today) and Jordan Peterson (tomorrow) from the InterTubes.

    Game-Set-Match. Get used to screaming into the "ether"... where no sound is ever heard.

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    1. Nicely summed up, Farmer. That's pretty much my take

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    3. Do you have any reason to believe that the Left will ever stop pushing their ever-more-socialist agenda? Tragedy is, IMO, inevitable.

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  14. WHERE are the SUPPOSED "LEADERS" of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY???!!!

    I'LL TELL YOU where THEY are!!! THEY are RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES, WRINGING THEIR tiny little hands, wiping their tight botoxed foreheads and SWEATING profusely!!!

    THE "YOUNG'UNS", have HIJACKED a once great party...The Party of the American worker, the party of JFK (not that he was any saint, mind you) who's famous words, "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", and "The belief that the rights of man come NOT from the generosity of the STATE but from the hand of God", are NOW a THING OF THE PAST and have disintegrated into DUST!!!

    This big TURNAROUND started with that "YOUNG'UN" Bernie Sanders...He figured out that if PUT out the idea of FREE STUFF, the morons of the world would think that FREE means FREE, and as long as THEY didn't have to PAY for anything, they DIDN'T CARE where their money came from.....It was FREE to them and THAT'S what was IMPORTANT.

    SO, once that was PUT INTO THEIR EMPTY LITTLE HEADS, IT STUCK AND that opened up the door for that 28 year old, self-proclaimed SOCIALIST, in NY to win by SCREAMING,"FREE, FREE, EVERYTHING FREE"!!!

    SO, THE DEMS ARE LOSING IT.....
    While running in circles, they realize it's the OLDSTERS against the YOUNGSTERS, it's democratic sanctuary cities putting ILLEGAL CRIMINALS over their CITIZENS safety, it's LIBERAL mayors DESTROYING their once beautiful cities into SH_THOLES of garbage, human waste, used needles and diseases we haven't seen in years.

    57% of Democrats think Socialism is the new way to go...that's up 9 points!!!!

    For sure, CHUCKIE SMOOZER, NANCY DEMENTIALOSI, MAXINE WAWA and the rest of the "SENIORS", are all in to MAKE SURE TRUMP gets booted out of office because they "think" their big blue wave is coming in November..

    BUT
    WHAT THEY DIDN'T EXPECT, is that their voting base has become young kids that couldn't care less about work, couldn't care less about what America's history is, couldn't care less about ILLEGALS flooding our country, couldn't care less about trade deficits, couldn't care less about minimum wage, couldn't care less about health care reform, ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS FREE STUFF......

    NOT ONLY THAT but those same UNINFORMED LEMMINGS that want free stuff, DRESS IN BLACK, COVER THEIR scrawny faces and chant, WITHOUT SHAME, "No border, no wall, no USA at all!’
    THEN
    Thanks to MAXINE WAWA and her big "rally" of at least 8 people, called for INTIMIDATING, EMBARRASSING and BEATING UP anyone associated with President Trump, his family, his cabinet and INCLUDING US, that may be wearing anything displaying "Trump" on it!!!
    AND
    WAWA constantly SCREECHES, "IMPEEEEEECH FORDA FI, IMPEEEEEEECH FORDA FI"....and she is so STUPID, she doesn't even have a clue that, that just makes Trump supporters STRONGER than EVER!!!

    OH YEA,,,you BET they are wringing those gnarly little hands in FEAR....

    Antifa, backed by SOROS, the big HILLARY and DEMOCRAT SUPPORTER, has NOW been designated as a terrorist group....THIS WEEKEND they were out in FULL FORCE... When asked what they would do if President Trump showed up and they had NO PROBLEM proudly yelling, "WE'D KILL HIM"!!! WHY AREN'T THESE CREEPS ARRESTED???!!

    AHHHHH, YES, DEMOCRATS,,,THIS IS YOUR NEW VOTING BASE.....and it's a BEAUTY!!!

    YUP, keep wringing those hands and wiping your brow...you need to BE AFRAID......BE VERY AFRAID!!!

    NOVEMBER IS COMING with a VENGEANCE!!!

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  15. Why would the left feel threatened by Peterson?
    He came to fame through a self help book that posits that life is organized around suffering. No one bothered to tell him that the Buddha covered that in detail long ago.

    Since then he's gone on to be an interchangeable part on the right - Dinesh D'Souza, Ben Shapiro, Laura Ingraham - all spouting the same shallow talking points.

    Speaking of Ben Shapiro he really shouldn't wave money in front of Octavio-Cortez as if he's a desperate low I.Q. john (come to think of it).
    Smart of her not to get baited. Although she's not quite the icon the press makes her out to be. Not many votes were cast in her election and her opponent took her for granted (sound familiar).

    Anyway, Peterson is just another right wing blow hole. You'd be hard pressed to find anything original in his rant.

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    1. everyone to the right of your extreme leftwing perch is not "the right."

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  17. Witnessing how the media has glossed over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's obvious weak points is instructive. She's barely asked a tough question and even simple ones leave her stymied. She can't talk outside the programmed parroting of left wing talking points. Did you see her stumble to even describe what role Nancy Pelosi plays in the U.S. House?

    She may find a niche as darling of the left but that won't sell to Americans who are not waiting to be told what to think.

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  18. Wow....there's a lot of SPAM and cries for attention to wade through around here the past few days....

    Will the 2018 mid-term elections answer this question?

    Good post SF....I foresee the Left largely shooting their wad this fall, out a misinformed sense of optimism. Their belief that disaffected Republicans, Libertarians and assorted Independents will either stay home or vote for Democrats...is downright adorable. The demographics most likely to sit out mid-terms elections....are the demographics most likely to vote for "Progressives".

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    2. The second paragraph is quite insightful Freethinke.....you should take an introspective look into that theme more....

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    4. I'm not antagonistic in the least, you responded to me. And based on the tenor of vulgar, spammy and impotent diatribes.....I have little doubt that my blood pressure is quite fine...comparatively.

      But don't stop.....it's adorable...

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    5. CI, you were correct that the Swedish gangs were Muslim. An arrest was made in Turkey.

      Still confounds me why they would do anything that stupid so close to the election.

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    6. Perhaps because these individuals are ruled by base emotion rather than a sense of reason and ration.....not to mention gratitude towards a nation who took them in?

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    8. Duck said:

      CI, you were correct that the Swedish gangs were Muslim.

      An admission from Duck! Did the earth just move?

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    9. The earth is always moving.

      My position is simply to let the facts come in rather than jumping to conclusions.

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    10. "Eppur si muove", right, Mcduck? lol!

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    1. Franco,
      The judge in this case is an elected judge and known for lenient sentencing.

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    3. Franco,
      The JUDGE is not the POINT

      I disagree.

      It is not only the Enemedia which is the problem. It's coupled with the justice system and the education system. Quite the trifecta!

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    4. Franco,
      they way openly PERSECUTE virtually ANYONE has ever worked for the president or tried in any way to boost his candidicacy and lend him support since he took office

      True statement. But we're talking about the New Mexico jihad nest right now.

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  25. So That Stupid Progressive Son Of Mario Cuomo thinks that “America was never Great”!
    I NEVER thought that I’d ever see the day that an American (any American) would say anything like that but we have now reached that point. Didn't think I would live to see it, but it's here now!..
    Someone tell that to the thousands of Mexicans south Americans, and Muslims that keep sneaking in to this “racist capitalist” country of ours.. Tell them to stay in their glorious socialist paradises.
    So the real mystery is why do these thousands of ILLEGALS risk life and limb to get here?

    Are American left wingers the dumbest, most hypocritical, lying, double talking, losers on the planet?

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  26. The Truth Has Been SpokenAugust 16, 2018 at 7:58:00 AM EDT

    “AMERICA WAS NEVER THAT GREAT”

    Today’s Progressives, Liberals and other leftists, have indeed always believed this. Mainstream Democratic politicians however I would have never thought that in a million years that someone would be as STUPID as Cuomo to have actually said this.
    We have now crossed that line, and going forward you can expect this kind of public denouncement of our country from Democrats who have now adopted the term SOCIALIST’S, and they have earned it. .

    And another thing.... America might not be all that great as we'd like it to be, if It Isn’t,
    IT IS MUCH BETTER now that the Buffoon and that Creepy Crook Hillary Clinton and other conspiring Communist cabinet members are finally the Hell out of the White House.

    And isn’t it amazing to see all these elitist “Democratic Socialists” who blatantly hate this country and hate the American people so much are trying so desperately to seize political power in EVERY crooked, phoney, Lying, way that they could Hence this idiotic Muller Clown show that’s been going on for 15 months.

    Unlike Obama, we Americans have no need to apologize for being American.......but the Mayor of New York should apologize for being a wacko.

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  27. Well, per usual, the verbose Free Thinke has sucked all available oxygen from the conversation.

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    1. I'm not concerned about it.

      My blog, my rules.

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    3. A Disinterested ObserverAugust 16, 2018 at 12:16:00 PM EDT

      Perhaps one must sometimes examine one's own actions. This weblog post has accrued 78 comments. How many contain either cut and paste broadsides from questionable outlets, or pompous rants that go on far too long?

      Perhaps one should examine oneself before preaching to others.

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    4. You call me stupid and off-topic? How dare you?

      Great god man! Look at the dense smog of commentary you have left in your trail!

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  28. Am hoping Jordan Peterson gets more and more publicity, more and more hear and understand him. He's an important antidote for what the Left's doing to us.
    Silverfiddle...hoping you're well....

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    1. What is so important about Peterson?

      All I see is a pessimistic self help guru for pubescent males.
      Hardly essential or even important.

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    2. Quoting Dr. Peterson

      “I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century.

      “I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief. As a result of my studies, I have come to believe that Marxism is a murderous ideology. I believe its practitioners in modern universities should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to promote such vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas, and for indoctrinating their students with these beliefs. I am therefore not going to mouth Marxist words. That would make me a puppet of the radical left, and that is not going to happen. Period.”

      I can well understand why Ducky is unable to observe any value from Dr. Peterson’s work. It is all anti-Ducky.

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    3. Mustang,
      It might be worth noting that Peterson's book was published in 1999. So, he was on the trail of one root of the present insanity even then!

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    4. The question remains about Peterson, mustang. He's simply repeated the sane tired talking points we've heard for decades since Buckley published God and Man at Yale and just as shallow.

      Again, why is Peterson any more "important" than say a shill like Dinesh D'Souza?

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    5. Duck,
      sane tired talking points

      Freudian slip there!

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    6. He's simply repeated the sane tired talking points we've heard for decades.....

      Thank you for summing up the Leftist narrative.

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    7. Unfortunately, common sense is very uncommon these days. Leftwing vandals are deconstructing the west and tearing us apart with tribalism and victimology.

      Peterson is simply providing an anodyne application of timeless wisdom. It is understandable that would drive progressive hive dwellers nuts.

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    8. Jordan Peterson fan here. Yes, he says things we already kmow. But, common sense isn't common, thus the backlash he's recieved.

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    9. Who will be the first shampoo / deodorant / cologne / perfume to offer a transgendered option.

      Stink is science too.

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