tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post7858951208111251878..comments2023-10-03T07:01:41.144-05:00Comments on Always On Watch: Semper Vigilans: Free SpeechAlways On Watchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-75636168831505077682020-12-05T06:53:03.487-06:002020-12-05T06:53:03.487-06:00Make Mark Zuckerberg turn your rants into Shakespe...Make Mark Zuckerberg turn your rants into Shakespeare! 😛(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-9457712935855508812020-12-02T11:05:04.541-06:002020-12-02T11:05:04.541-06:00Most here seem to not want to abolish Section 230 ...Most here seem to not want to abolish Section 230 [which I fully agree with], but it may apparently cause the NDAA to not be funded, if a certain POTUS has his way.<br /><br />Odd tactic.....CIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07261660740601698500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-30484149640486931692020-12-02T04:34:47.647-06:002020-12-02T04:34:47.647-06:00I've just been reading the wikipedia entry for...I've just been reading the wikipedia entry for Cloudfare, a famously "content neutral" CDN. They famously hosted (and ended up pulling the plug on) notoriously vile sites The Daily Storm and 8chan.<br /><br />8chan is now hosted in Russia and The Daily Stormer is on the dark web. There's always a way. And it's worth noting that you wouldn't have to go to such lengths; those sites are *incredibly* vile & extreme. BTW, how do users of your proposed unmoderated social platform avoid content like this?jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-40450823776813209982020-12-01T18:16:58.633-06:002020-12-01T18:16:58.633-06:00Jez, I shut down my paper and now have a radio sho...Jez, I shut down my paper and now have a radio show. :)Ed Bonderenkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03724552853113809036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-8380129701280761542020-12-01T17:19:23.546-06:002020-12-01T17:19:23.546-06:00Jez, Web hosting services do not have to provide y...Jez, Web hosting services do not have to provide you a platform.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-25724145643831290322020-12-01T14:04:17.438-06:002020-12-01T14:04:17.438-06:00It isn't so very hard to host your own materia...It isn't so very hard to host your own material. Easier than transmitting radio of printing a newsletter.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-10594602398749188522020-12-01T10:15:26.407-06:002020-12-01T10:15:26.407-06:00We the People couldn’t spell government, let alone...We the People couldn’t spell government, let alone establish one. The best we can say about the founding of our government was that wiser men than “we” were smart enough to realize that independence from Great Britain would at least be as contentious as the Revolutionary War itself, which seems proved when Franklin sarcastically replied, “A Republic, if ye can keep it.” We only have a Bill of Rights because of the clatter that followed the Constitution’s first iteration when the ink was still wet. A couple of observations, if I may ...<br /><br />The Bill of Rights is a warranty that exists between the federal government and the people, but these ‘unalienable rights’ pertain only to the people’s relationship with the federal government and have no bearing on the people’s relationship with their state unless or until the state legislatures ‘incorporated them’ into state constitutions. Moreover, unless state constitutions expanded the people's rights to include their relationship with commercial institutions within those states, then that ‘warranty’ only applies to the agencies and offices of government. To confirm what I said, take a look at the California Constitution/Bill of Rights and multiply that mishmash times fifty. <br /><br />So, I conclude that the people have no right to free speech within privately held companies, whether on their real or intellectual properties, either as employees or clients of any of their services. Social media platforms are privately held properties; read their (far too complicated) terms of use, which everyone must agree to before gaining access to any social platform, and you’ll find no discussion about the right of free speech. What you will find are provisions that state quite unequivocally that the company shall decide what is, what is not appropriate for their forum. By agreeing to these terms of service, users understand that the company will censor them and that clients relinquish their right to say anything that the property owners may find offensive ... to them.<br /><br />What rights, then, do ‘the people’ have? They have the right not to join social media platforms. As an aside, in a somewhat similar way, some of ‘the people’ argue that our problem with congress is the absence of term limitations; in defeating such restrictions on the will of the people, the high court ruled that the people already have the right to limit congressional terms; they call it voting responsibly. People already have the freedom of free speech, of religious affiliation, of assembly, of the right to bear arms ... but they are not absolute rights —and they never were.Mustanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388694472897425202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-14182184675281912442020-12-01T08:59:41.318-06:002020-12-01T08:59:41.318-06:00Richard said that, "You will not have Richard...Richard said that, <i>"You will not have Richard Nixon to kick around any more."</i> No problem, another one came along. Another one will come along after Trump. There is always one soul who is brave enough and stupid enough to go against the establishment, and the establishment will always tear that person to pieces lake a pack of rabid wolves.<br />Jayhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00756807802218022043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-76882778177045635362020-12-01T06:53:18.433-06:002020-12-01T06:53:18.433-06:00Skud...
What are FOX News, OAN, RT and Newsmax go...Skud...<br /><br />What are FOX News, OAN, RT and Newsmax going to do on January 21st. They will no longer have a 24/7 defend trump station and for four years that is all they have had. The NY Post and other pro Trump publications will try to solicit ad revenue to pay for their one sided coverage because who wants to read a love fest about a guy who is angry all day in his NY condo.<br /><br />It was once all the news that's fit to print now it is only the news we agree with. 1984 arrived a little late but it did arrive.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-60912744669422606612020-12-01T06:24:18.631-06:002020-12-01T06:24:18.631-06:00Ed, I agree. Our statements are not mutually excl...Ed, I agree. Our statements are not mutually exclusive.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-82243387877794302242020-12-01T06:24:17.349-06:002020-12-01T06:24:17.349-06:00I worry that publish and be damned is incompatible...I worry that publish and be damned is incompatible with anonymous posts. Would social media platforms would have to be a lot more exacting about ability to identify users so that police could trace illegal messages?<br />What social platform should I choose if I wish to avoid offensive (pornographic, racist diatribes, animal abuse, self mutilation videos etc)? Should I have to prove I am older than 21 in order to open a social media account?<br /><br />I'm not convinced that social media as you envisage it is an economically viable service.<br /><br />And of course social media is not just a filter, it actively promotes some material. Unattended algorithms making editorial decisions designed to maximise engagement end up boosting divisive, rage enduring messages and sealing us into separate echo chambers. The community standards / fact checking labels are a half-assed attempt to address this problem. We'd be better off fixing the problem at its root instead if applying an inneffective sticking plaster.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-57375503906257178732020-12-01T06:23:11.710-06:002020-12-01T06:23:11.710-06:00*than done**<b>than</b> done*Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-28241812504283591912020-12-01T06:10:06.377-06:002020-12-01T06:10:06.377-06:00Dave,
That just means I've got to find another...Dave,<br /><i>That just means I've got to find another way to get my word out.</i><br /><br />Easier said that done when "woke Silicon Valley" acts as one unit across so many online platforms. <br /><br />I have been noting how advertisements coordinate. I search for "dog crate" at <i>Chewy</i> or <i>Amazon</i>, and dog crate ads appear all over the various platforms I use for days on end. Sheesh.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-76352342674672476602020-12-01T06:03:04.480-06:002020-12-01T06:03:04.480-06:00Ed,
They are acting as publishers now by being sel...Ed,<br /><i>They are acting as publishers now by being selective. This makes them liable for content since they are already choosing.</i><br /><br />It seems that way to me, too.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-49701879755122502762020-12-01T00:32:05.352-06:002020-12-01T00:32:05.352-06:00Yep, we are supposed to be able to think for ourse...Yep, we are supposed to be able to think for ourselves. People may publish whatever they wish. It is my responsibility to decide (research, evaluate) whether or not it is garbage.Jayhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00756807802218022043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-30568549746488012312020-11-30T21:02:56.899-06:002020-11-30T21:02:56.899-06:00They would not be liable as a platform.
They are a...They would not be liable as a platform.<br />They are acting as publishers now by being selective. This makes them liable for content since they are already choosing.Ed Bonderenkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03724552853113809036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-84021141831781346842020-11-30T19:54:29.681-06:002020-11-30T19:54:29.681-06:00Open forum for lies, crackpot theories, etc. God g...Open forum for lies, crackpot theories, etc. God gave us the powers of reason, logic and "testing the spirits."<br /><br />Libel and slander can invite lawsuits, so that is a check on it getting out of hand.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-8967397714346617202020-11-30T19:03:07.001-06:002020-11-30T19:03:07.001-06:00Somebody deplatforms me? If it is a service I am u...Somebody deplatforms me? If it is a service I am using, I guess that is their right. That just means I've got to find another way to get my word out. I don't see it as censoring me. Their service, their rules.<br /><br />The government doing it? That's another story.<br /><br />But let me ask you this... is there anything of an opinion nature that should be out of bounds, that the government might have an interest in banning, for instance Nazi propaganda in post war Germany?<br /><br />Or is everything just a free for all, an open forum for all ideas, even if it is untrue, libelous or slanderous? Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-13915867390484559182020-11-30T18:20:04.647-06:002020-11-30T18:20:04.647-06:00What happens when the web hosting companies deplat...What happens when the web hosting companies deplatform you?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-72276724621355138212020-11-30T12:49:16.408-06:002020-11-30T12:49:16.408-06:00Yeah, another case of asking the government to do ...Yeah, another case of asking the government to do for you what you are unwilling to do for yourself. Don't like a venue? Get the government to force it to comply with what you want it to be. I don't think so.Jayhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00756807802218022043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-8107982185627714352020-11-30T11:51:25.102-06:002020-11-30T11:51:25.102-06:00What is MSDNC going to do on January 21st. They wi...What is MSDNC going to do on January 21st. They will no longer have a 24/7 attack trump station and for four years that is all they have had. NYT will try to solicit ad revenue to pay for their one sided coverage because who wants to read a love fest about a guy who sleeps all day in his basement.<br /><br />It was once all the news that's fit to print now it is only the news we agree with. 1984 arrived a little late but it did arrive.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-22303816206719645642020-11-30T09:50:29.866-06:002020-11-30T09:50:29.866-06:00What good is evidence if the media refuses to publ...What good is evidence if the media refuses to publish it?<br />Lets face it We are a third world country now. If we cant have fair and honest elections then I'm sorry to say WE ARE DONE!Edgethohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11435538907921191724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-74401351498180667242020-11-30T09:10:30.811-06:002020-11-30T09:10:30.811-06:00I hate to admit it, but I'm with CI on this on...I hate to admit it, but I'm with CI on this one. Don't like YouTube's standards? Join Bitchute!Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-86205662752872951802020-11-30T08:28:08.797-06:002020-11-30T08:28:08.797-06:00You cannot establish your own community standards....<i>You cannot establish your own community standards.</i><br /><br />Have you thought this part through? Or do you mean it in a less overly-broad way?<br /><br />I maintain that begging for government regulation of non-governmental venues is exactly the wrong direction to take. <br /><br />This appears to stem from [and correct me if I'm wrong] the fact that you perceive political discrimination from social media venues that you use [or want to use]...whereas there are indeed no shortage of venues that would cater to your alignment. Yes, they are smaller, at least for now.....but this smacks of attempting to coerce a company(s) to cater to you, rather than take your business to, or build, the competition.CIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07261660740601698500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-80768184604491427602020-11-30T06:28:34.888-06:002020-11-30T06:28:34.888-06:00If the social media corporations were legally liab...If the social media corporations were legally liable for all content, they would rightly clamp down and severely restrict what people could post.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.com