tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post4459312321194650945..comments2023-10-03T07:01:41.144-05:00Comments on Always On Watch: Semper Vigilans: No Matter What Your Reservations About The EDLAlways On Watchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-31935249133381460842012-01-23T05:19:32.027-06:002012-01-23T05:19:32.027-06:00AOW,
Furthermore, I was not distorting anything, ...AOW,<br /><br />Furthermore, I was not distorting anything, as claimed by DCharles when I tried to explain my viewpoints or was only mildly critical of islamic culture. Perhaps DCharles did not understand that I don't come from the Western world and as such I have to be more cautious in my speech or the fact that I have to cope with the limited free speech that is available in the NON-Western world. Furthermore, various people would see different reality, depending on their circumstances or whether they are in an advantaged position or disadvantaged position. Each to his or her own, but nevertheless it is good to be aware of any threat or any risk, so that one can take steps to defend oneself and precaution can be taken to improve any uncomfortable situations . <br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-41763161588054059642012-01-22T18:12:03.401-06:002012-01-22T18:12:03.401-06:00AOW,
Yes, I understand, that sometimes it is diff...AOW,<br /><br />Yes, I understand, that sometimes it is difficult to avoid conflict with people who wanted their way, which is NOT a better way, all the time. Furthermore, it was also wrong for DCharles to claim that I make things up. I did not make up any story as claimed by DCharles. The fact that DCharles did NOT noticed the fact that regardless whether those islamics wear islamic clothing or not, or speak different languages or whatever stage of development they are in, they still adhere to their islamic faith, which is why they are considered a tribe. <br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-62890286052083986532012-01-22T15:26:03.658-06:002012-01-22T15:26:03.658-06:00WLIL,
Yes, many people do want to avoid conflict ...WLIL, <br />Yes, many people do want to avoid conflict and find peaceful co-existence. I myself feel that way, but the reality I see tells me otherwise.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-67043200333965768692012-01-22T15:19:15.430-06:002012-01-22T15:19:15.430-06:00AOW,
What you said above is very true indeed. Per...AOW,<br /><br />What you said above is very true indeed. Perhaps, another reason is many people wish to avoid conflict and opt for peaceful co-existence. <br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-86039471263437243192012-01-22T04:47:46.843-06:002012-01-22T04:47:46.843-06:00WLIL,
I am sure other people too share your unders...WLIL,<br /><i>I am sure other people too share your understanding of my views. And other people have similar negative experience like mine.</i><br /><br />You might be surprised to know that many people have an understanding of the threat of Islam -- all along the political spectrum. Our political leadership as a whole is a different matter. Living in an ivory tower enables denial of reality.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-73142641386322852652012-01-22T04:43:15.981-06:002012-01-22T04:43:15.981-06:00D Charles,
Now having said that, the fact that the...D Charles,<br /><i>Now having said that, the fact that they have declared war on us IS the excuse for some, to respond instead by a declaration of war (even via propoganda) against Islam itself. Frankly, AOW, your a part of that.</i><br /><br />Obviously, you and I are at an impasse. Nothing that any of us type in are going to have the least impact on you.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-44531649934748649072012-01-22T04:34:28.719-06:002012-01-22T04:34:28.719-06:00AOW,
Thank You for your understanding of my views....AOW,<br />Thank You for your understanding of my views. DCharles obviously did not understand my views and accused me of lying due to his ignorance and nastiness. <br />I am sure other people too share your understanding of my views. And other people have similar negative experience like mine. Just that not many people dare to talk about it or refused to talk about it or have no opportunity to share it.<br />DCharles seems to have this "glossy" view of certain predominantly islamic countries and refused to see other people viewpoints which saw the harsh reality. Hopefully, the majority of British people are not as ignorant as DCharles and will be able to protect and defend the real decent Western culture. <br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-58647844315798434912012-01-22T04:09:06.782-06:002012-01-22T04:09:06.782-06:00DCharles,
What a despicable person you are to acc...DCharles,<br /><br />What a despicable person you are to accuse me of lying when all I did was based my comments on reality and from my own experiences and my own observations. I hope your lies will be exposed not by one person but by many, many more decent people in the near future. Please accept that I understand other asian cultures too have its bad points and that I DON'T like islamic culture and it is incompatible with my nonbelieving culture. The fact that you were never discriminated by islamic people or islamic related policies says alot about your ignorance.<br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-59507890572237836342012-01-22T03:57:50.835-06:002012-01-22T03:57:50.835-06:00AOW,
I don't understand why DCharles was as (...AOW,<br /><br />I don't understand why DCharles was as (still?) is so uppity about other people or me exposing the negative effect of islamisation or the negative effect of the spread of islamic culture. I hope DCharles understand that I understood that other cultures (besides islamic culture) have its bad points too. As I said previously, DCharles is full of incoherance and inconsistencies. And now DCharles is even trying to claim my statement was a lie!! DChalres only visited as a foreigner to a few islamic countries and he is trying to calim that my comments are a lie. That is indeed proved what a horrible person DChalrs is if he really existed as a human being.<br />I know what it is like to be living as disadvantaged (NONBELIEVER)<br /> person in a predominantly islamic countries, that gave endless special privileges to their own islamic tribes. I did not come from a rich background. DCharles obviously did not know what it is really like and tried accuse people of lying. That proved he is really a scumbag. By the way, thanks for coming to my aid. <br /> <br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-58252837811144505882012-01-21T09:24:10.125-06:002012-01-21T09:24:10.125-06:00AOW,
I will agree to disagree with you on this.
...AOW,<br /><br />I will agree to disagree with you on this.<br /><br />Yes my expiernces versus hers - her singlular experience versus my experiences on the ground in many areas and in many societies, including hers. Sorry, no comparison. <br /><br />We should add that my views are also based on the reality on the ground in all areas, not just her singular experience.<br /><br />Gender - I have taken into consideration gender differences and since I specialise in social justice that includes inequality and gender-bais, it still makes no difference.<br /><br />It is interesting that you mention the news, terrorism and honor-killing. If you actually study Honor-killing then you will know that it is a global problem and that most certainly it exists in Turkic-Arab society but it is even more dominant in South Asian society which includes Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh - but also India, Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bhutan. India has more cases of honor/Cultural based killings, infanticide, dowry, wife-burning than any other part of the world. I find it in fact shockingly blatant the attempts to point fingers at Islam for honor-killings and it does a huge diservice and disprespect to all the larger number of victims whom happen to come from non-Muslim communities around the world.<br /><br />Yes the larger number of terror in the world is done by Muslims, that is a fact as radical Islamist groups have declared war on the rest of us. We should answer that declaration of war by simply fighting it. Now having said that, the fact that they have declared war on us IS the excuse for some, to respond instead by a declaration of war (even via propoganda) against Islam itself. Frankly, AOW, your a part of that. The existance of the anti-Jihadist bloggosphere is simply a propoganda tool for that purpose and the proof of it is by the consistant attacks on Islam itself and not just on the terrorists - the radical Islamists. How many of your self-proclaimed anti-Jihad blogs are targetting only Islamists and are not targetting Islam? I suspect zero. I will add another question since I have breached this point, how many of these blogs are also "strongly Conservative and Tea Party supporters?", how many are strongly Christian or Jewish? These are aspects of the overall propoganda push because we have fallen into the old-fashioned and out-dated method of propoganda war against a perceived threat and the easiest way to wage that war is by inlisting radicals as well.<br /><br />Back to WLILL, she is basing her views on her individual experience and basing it on a whole - I have replied with both my wider expierences, my professional experiences and with cold-hard facts of the one single factor that is being ignored here - the reality on the entire street, not just her front-door.D Charles QChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805304737361014277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-61087651854795465262012-01-21T05:04:57.790-06:002012-01-21T05:04:57.790-06:00D Charles,
Making broad sweeping statements based ...D Charles,<br />Making broad sweeping statements based on one's own experiences is not necessarily bigotry.<br /><br />According to what you've written several times, your experiences have been different. You use those experiences to paint a different picture that WLIL does.<br /><br />You strongly differ from WLIL in your views. Fine. But don't denigrate the reality on the ground; WLIL has experienced a reality that you refuse to respect or have compassion for.<br /><br />But let's consider the following possibilities:<br /><br />1. Your experiences may be different because of your gender.<br /><br />2. Your experiences may be different because of the locales you have frequented.<br /><br />3. Your experiences may be different because of your profession.<br /><br />As one who has twice been the victim of crime -- car theft and burglary, both here at home -- I know full well what suspicion of "the other" is.<br /><br />Beyond the matter of personal experience, look at the news and history.<br /><br />It is a fact that Muslims do commit most acts of terrorism today. And did you see the news recently that Muslims have committed all the rapes in Oslo in the past year? <br /><br />Honor killings, another matter that is often discussed in the anti-jihad blogosphere, are not restricted to Muslims. But as far as I can tell, honor killings are a problem among Muslims throughout the world.<br /><br />Historical fact: Islam originated in a tribal culture. Today, in many regions of the Islamic world, tribal culture does prevail; for example, loyalty to family and tribe coming before loyalty to a nation state. The matter of the ummah as the bigger picture for many Muslims is a tribal concept.<br /><br />------------<br /><br />At this point, it is probably best for you to agree to disagree with WLIL.<br /><br />------------<br /><br />In my view, you have too rosy a view, particularly in that you don't recognize the fundamental Islam is making gains (Egypt and Tunisia, for example). I have no doubt that Morocco is a wonderful place in many respects, but I'm not sure that it's representative of the entire Islamic world.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-74080047740124278382012-01-20T13:56:49.591-06:002012-01-20T13:56:49.591-06:00AOW,
you said you have difficulty with my stateme...AOW,<br /><br />you said you have difficulty with my statement "it is nothing like what WLILL goes on about and stubornly cannot cope with the fact that she has been exposed, let alone questioned.".<br /><br />I have no qualms repeating it and explaining why I said it - and the fact that I stand by it.<br /><br />WLIL had experiences from her life of supposive abuse by Muslims. I will not even doubt her claim that it happened.<br /><br />That she is using her experience to brand, make broad sweeping comments and condemnations based on these experiences is in itself a form of bigotry. She also paints the same picture globally and does not back away even though I have pointed out that such an accussation is baseless and without substance.<br /><br />The evidence is clear. She has been using her experience as a tool to say with substance that she knows that "islamics tribes" (sic) are forcing themselves on others, abusing, corrupting etc, etc, etc. These accussations are, as I said, without substance and baseless.<br /><br />Thus, because she does not admit the fact that she neither knows and that her experiences are simply her own, she has been - by definition - exposed. In other words, her comfortable way of abusing others in a bigoted fashion has been shown to be in fact baseless, incorrect and thus bigoted. She obviously does not like that.<br /><br />If her comments were based on truths or facts, I would have nothing to say and she could simply point out some truths and facts and shoot my argument down - she cannot because simply put she knows she is wrong.<br /><br />Secondly, if she said that I do not know but my experience is this - and thus I do not like nor do I trust "them" - I would also have not much to say other than give her examples otherwise but it is her right.<br /><br />In the end she will and has the right to believe what she likes, that is an obvious human right. Having said that, when one opens ones mouth and accusses, makes broadsweeping incorrect and frankly text-book bigoted remarks, she retains the right to that freedom but opens herself to being pointed out how wrong she is and how ugly such a view is.<br /><br />Now please, AOW, provide me with facts that my argument is incorrect and I will gladly acknowledge them - as I always do. I say this, of course, with confidence that I am correct simply because I have been to the world that WLILL is destorting and it is nothing like she is describing and that is the bottom line - a lie will always remain a lie regardless of the reason.D Charles QChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805304737361014277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-493269896673704462012-01-20T11:56:02.780-06:002012-01-20T11:56:02.780-06:00D Charles,
In other words, it is condemnable for t...D Charles,<br /><i>In other words, it is condemnable for the event but has no value or in fact moral right to be the example for global condemnation...</i><br /><br />Muslims -- as do all groups -- need to understand that "global condemnation" (as you put it) is an inherent part of living in a world community when the group commits outrages.<br /><br />In my view, we all -- myself included -- should find some respect for the experiences that individuals bring to the table, regardless if we agree with those individuals.<br /><br />For example, some years ago, an atheist friend of mine on the web and I were discussing various aspects of the Christian faith. He said something that I've never forgotten: "I don't understand that faith. Let me respect that faith." Needless to say, this man and I have remained friends as we have come to an understanding that entails mutual respect.<br /><br />When political matters are discussed, the heat is sometimes even more intense than when we discuss matters of faith.<br /><br /><b>Obviously, both you and WLIL are going to disagree.</b> And, yes, there is going to be some animosity. So be it.<br /><br />I do find this statement of yours very presumptive and demeaning:<br /><br /><i>it is nothing like what WLILL goes on about and stubornly cannot cope with the fact that she has been exposed, let alone questioned.</i><br /><br />Frankly, I don't see that WLIL has been exposed at all.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-8277298325739622572012-01-20T11:21:03.973-06:002012-01-20T11:21:03.973-06:00AOW/WLILL
i am also happy that she responded to m...AOW/WLILL<br /><br />i am also happy that she responded to my comments - if anything to confirm from what angle her argument stands for.<br /><br />As I have said time and time again, some basic arguments and views are not only understandable but can be fairly well presented. Unfortunately she does not and adds a great deal of what is clearly now, personal baggage.<br /><br />AOW you are right that personal experiences shapes us but on the other hand what brings out maturity and intelligence in people is how they can see a bit further than their street corner or simply their own experience in comparison to the larger picture. <br /><br />The bad experiences of being a minority in a Muslim community has no relevance except that experience itself. In other words, it is condemnable for the event but has no value or in fact moral right to be the example for global condemnation, sweeping generalisations and hate towards Musims as a whole. That is the crux of her problem and I will continue to point that out.<br /><br />I can see her sitting at a café with say a Moroccan Jew, a Bangladeshi Christian or a Tamil Hundu form Kuala Lumpur - all minorities and depending on their experiences will more than likely say how sad they feel for her experiences but her discriptions are over-the-top, not relevant to their situations and border-line bigotry. Most Jews that still live in Muslim countries do suffer - because of the Israel issue - but Moroccan Jews are an integral part of their country and they are proud and successful in general. Some Christian villages in Bangladesh are targeted by radicals and the government responses to that is abysmal (as with most responses to any village issue) and yet the richest Bangladeshi, most senior public servants and many scholars in that country are Bangladeshis who suffer no great issues. Malaysia is famous for its mixture of Malay, Chinese and Tamil-Hindu cultures. Some areas have had issues, but the bulk of minorities in that country prosper along with the country as a whole. Language, faith and culture are protected and enshrined in their constitution. Why I am saying this, because the reality is not sensationalised in the media but regardless is still there and it is nothing like what WLILL goes on about and stubornly cannot cope with the fact that she has been exposed, let alone questioned.<br /><br />Provide facts and realism and I can only respond with respect. A promiss given and a promiss I intend to keep.D Charles QChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805304737361014277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-83989016929147862772012-01-20T05:25:43.528-06:002012-01-20T05:25:43.528-06:00WLIL,
It is up to people to analyse what is logica...WLIL,<br /><i>It is up to people to analyse what is logical and what is illogical or what is appropriate and what is inappropriate and what is fair and what is unfair.</i><br /><br />Indeed.<br /><br />Discernment is required when one reads comments in an open forum such as this one.<br /><br />I'm glad that you returned to answer D Charles.<br /><br />Clearly, our own experiences shape our views -- and rightly so, in my view. All sorts of writing on paper are theories; our own experiences and observations help us to be discerning and to reach our own conclusions.<br /><br />IMO, one reason that politicians in the West are blind to the many dangers within -- not only the danger of Islam -- is that politicians are in ivory towers and consumed with theory instead of recognizing the reality on the ground. Ivory towers do fall, of course, but by then it can well be too late.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-24846602277003516472012-01-20T01:28:26.320-06:002012-01-20T01:28:26.320-06:00DCharles,
I DON'T ignore abuses by anyone, re...DCharles,<br /><br />I DON'T ignore abuses by anyone, regardless what race or what faith they proclaimed to be or belong to. Your false presumption(again) is not only highly offensive but also disgusting. I guess another of your disgusting trait is to attack anyone who you claimed as "generalising". It is up to you to say whatever you like but don't expect me to accept your abuse. I must say your never ending insults throw at me is not only offensive but I also did not like the way you tried to victime me, who were only occassionally outspoken. must be told and whether people accept it or not is up to you or them. You are the one that is afflicted with a weird sickness. I only hope you can cure yourself of your delusions, if other people can't. My opinions had been based on observations and experience who had gone through alot of negative experience as a minority and as a disadvantaged person in a predominantly islamic country and NOT because of any sickness which you tried to push to me. It is really unfortunate that I have to go through another of your many illogical rants. I hope you know that I don't take sides, without thorough investigations, even if or whenever I criticised any group. It is up to people to analyse what is logical and what is illogical or what is appropriate and what is inappropriate and what is fair and what is unfair.<br />Nobody like to be a victim of falsehood or illogival rants. I just hope that I and many others freedom loving individuals can avoid being a victim of any totalitarian ideology. <br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-4974918316292832742012-01-13T08:50:31.049-06:002012-01-13T08:50:31.049-06:00WLILL,
until you realize that your generalising, ...WLILL,<br /><br />until you realize that your generalising, ignoring other abuses by non-Muslims in the world and throughout histroy then your agument only looks foolish. That has been and continues to be my point. Condemn actions for what they are and who knows, I can join you and add many examples myself.<br /><br />It is amazing in this day and age that people because of what they see automatically go into generalised hate mode. Like the rape victim whom now hates all men, though we can understand and feel for the hurt and hatred and the need for justice and retribution - the unfairness, bitterness and do-anything to condemn them all, is itself a sickness that needs to stop.<br /><br />Logic and truth is just as much a victim.D Charles QChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805304737361014277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-44057043558842561202012-01-13T08:48:50.887-06:002012-01-13T08:48:50.887-06:00DCharles,
Anyway, I DON'T need your respect o...DCharles,<br /><br />Anyway, I DON'T need your respect or agreement to anything. I think I have enough of your nonsense and their islamic nonsense. And I have to say I DON't like the too many inconveniences imposed by thier islamic tribes. I hope there is (still?) a free world for us nonbelievers. <br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-68839089208213713332012-01-13T08:21:06.941-06:002012-01-13T08:21:06.941-06:00DCharles,
I don't need to study anything about...DCharles,<br />I don't need to study anything about their islamic culture/ideology because I have sen too many bad examples from their islamic influences.<br />I don't claim anything. I am in fact seen and noticed the unpleasant reality as a result of other people terrible mistakes and your terrible mistakes in making too many false assumptionst. Even the malay-indonesia islamic culture have alot of unpleasant similarities. And it is wrong of them to impose their totalitarian culture anywhere. You are the ones that failed to see the unpleasant reality. <br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-89632914676204442342012-01-12T06:21:44.617-06:002012-01-12T06:21:44.617-06:00WLILL,
each time you do raise an actual proper is...WLILL,<br /><br />each time you do raise an actual proper issue you spoil it with the rest of what you said.<br /><br />Absolutely in general tolerance to criticism of anything regarding Islam is very low. No argument there, however, everything else you said is mindless rubbish.<br /><br />1. Broad generalized superficial sweeping remarks is not only illogical, makes arguments out of context but smacks of textbook bigotry. (yet again).<br />2. There are no "islamic tribes" - if you cannot communicate then why bother trying to say anything? If your talking about Muslim communities around the world, try that - not difficult eh? Mind you, with broad brush strokes your argument is still wrong.<br />3. You are also very wrong and I would have to say naive if you think that every problem and issue (even the major ones) in Muslim communities and countries around the world has to always have something to do with being Muslim. That argument falls down immediately because much of the issues have to do simply with being in the developing world, corrupt states, etc, and then we have to ask about what about all the problems in the developing world in countries that are not Muslim? Context dear, please try.<br />4. Lastly, even I would have assumed better from you (mistakenly so it seems) that the bad actions of a few should be labelled on and blamed on an entirity. I learned not to do that in primary school. Ideas like "creeping sharia" is an ugly myth like "Eurabia" which is done for an agenda and I find it sad that people whom attempt to pose as mature fall for such schoolyard trash, let alone push it themselves.<br /><br />A reality check, since you claim to have lived in Asia and amongst Muslims then you should know that the difference say between Muslims in Malaysia or Indonesia is huge in comparison to Muslims living in Morocco or say Tunisia. That because Malaysia has a Sharia Family Law system (subject to secular appeals court, mind you) does not make it say anything like a full Sharia Court System in Saudi Arabia. Even subtle differences show a great deal. Iran and Saudi we all agree are hard-line but yet women can drive in Iran and the niqab is illegal there but yet not the case in Iran.<br /><br />Try a bit of study, forget that terrible mistake that what you see in one place represents a totality and please base your comments on fact. When you do that, I can only respond positively and you would even get some respect.D Charles QChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805304737361014277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-60473907815095340152012-01-11T18:25:00.378-06:002012-01-11T18:25:00.378-06:00Plus the fact that their their islamic tribes tend...Plus the fact that their their islamic tribes tend to or are prone to demand their own seperatist islamic laws(whether they implemant it fully or not or stage by stage subtlely) wherever they migrated to (or wherever their islam rule over other cultures) are also a distinct part of their islamic culture, though they may have borrowed or adapted from some cultures, from other culture. <br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-33064232010331048152012-01-11T18:12:15.671-06:002012-01-11T18:12:15.671-06:00DCharles,
Islamic tribes, whether they are Taliba...DCharles,<br /><br />Islamic tribes, whether they are Taliban ro Al Qaeda or just ordinary islamic people in MIddle East, Asia, America , Europe, etc had been known to be (still?) extremely intolerant of any anti-islam speech, whenever they have a bit of power or influence. <br /><br />Other points that you brought out was IRRELEVANT.<br />Therefore I am NOT wrong. <br /><br />One of the reason that I do not wish to comment about their other islamic tribal problems or their islamic political problems that is related to their whatever version of islam, because it is their islamic tribal problems and NOT my problem.<br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-49092674896391000392012-01-08T15:37:25.623-06:002012-01-08T15:37:25.623-06:00WLIL,
let us get down the the simple point that I...WLIL,<br /><br />let us get down the the simple point that I am making.<br /><br />Islam is not a tribe, it is a religeous faith - that is a big difference. I was giving you the credit that it was your language but now you have proven otherwise and thus you are simply - wrong.<br /><br />A tribe is a social group mostly based on regional links and kinship.<br /><br />There are certainly tribes within the Muslim world, but their tribal status is based not on the religion but their social, logistical relationship and mostly kinship.<br /><br />What I guess your confusing, and again it would be wrong, is to assume that all or most Muslim communties and the cultures and tribes within them are similar and in your view bad, manacing, dominating, destructive, etc. That is certainly also false in many aspects. Bosnian communities share very little to say a berber community in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco who also share not much with say Muslims in southern Java. We can even point out that Berbers in Morocco share some language and cultural ties with Berbers in Algeria, Tunisia and Libya and they are all Muslim, but nothing really common.<br /><br />If anything tribalism has proven to be very much a strong trait and can even be more dominant that Islam. A very good and negative example would be Talibanism. The ugliness of the Taliban is known by all of us and most of the hard-line elements that they have shown are either tribal Saudi or local Tribal customs and does not resemble theological or pratical Islam. For instance that horrendous example of the girl found alone with a boy was punished by being raped by each member of the tribal council. The Taliban will say it was Islamic but at that time Al Qaeda (whom we can agree is also ultra-conservative) condemned it as a barbaric non-Islamic cultural practice. Most Muslim countries, including Saudia Arabia allow education and even jobs for women, the Taliban will not.<br /><br />My point is that you are wrong in both counts of there being an Islamic tribe or the implication that there is any predominant Islamic culture. <br /><br />Yes I am being hard on you, but some just need it in an attempt to educate them.D Charles QChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805304737361014277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-52298093151258122402012-01-07T21:02:07.075-06:002012-01-07T21:02:07.075-06:00AOW,
Thank You for having me in your discussion b...AOW,<br /><br />Thank You for having me in your discussion blog.<br />Actually, it has been quite tiresome trying to defend on what I may have commented and on what may have been miscontrued by "some" people.<br />However I apologize if I make a mistake in typing or in my unique English or in trying to say what I was trying to say or being not specific enough due to constraints.<br /><br />I wish to point out a comment make by DCharles.<br />It is puzzling as to why DCharles said that there is no such thing as islamic tribes, because the fact that islamic tribes from various nationalities or various ethnic backgrounds(whatever race or ethnic grouping or name that they called themselves or identify with) that share the same whatever ideology, same tradition, same culture, same custom, same beliefs, or share similarities in whatever, etc can be considered as a tribe. Did he meant that there is no such thing as islamic tribes or did he not believe in such things called islamic tribes? <br />Anyway, it would be a waste of time for me to speculate on his comments or to refute his comments. <br />That is all I have to say for now.<br /><br />WLILAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320479736034351430.post-86623832428913279372012-01-06T12:43:02.876-06:002012-01-06T12:43:02.876-06:00WLIL,
You know that I always welcome you at my blo...WLIL,<br />You know that I always welcome you at my blog!Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.com